Nintendo Switch (OLED Model) discussion thread

sligeach · 03-06-2021 8:02pm

I was thinking 10.30-11pm tonight would be an ideal compromise for most regions to hear about an announcement. But Nintendo don't have to, there's still around 2 weeks until their E3 presentations. And Nintendo hate leaks, so they could change it to, say next Thursday just to discredit the leakers. They recently completely cancelled their Zelda collaboration with Netflix after someone from there leaked it out.

CastorTroy · 04-06-2021 12:26am

Annnny minute now?

sligeach · 04-06-2021 12:31am

This is Nintendo, who up until a few months ago, made us wait 17 months for the last proper Direct.

sligeach · 04-06-2021 12:44am

Some of the leakers are now backpedaling on social media.

https://twitter.com/NateTheHate2/status/1400515251385294852

sligeach · 07-06-2021 1:39pm

Nintendo Switch Pro Docked Performance Will Be Optimized for 1440p Resolution; DLSS May Be Locked Out at Launch – Rumour

https://wccftech.com/nintendo-switch-pro-docked-performance-will-be-optimized-for-1440p-resolution-dlss-may-be-locked-out-at-launch-rumor/

You wouldn't know what to believe anymore, after last week.

CastorTroy · 07-06-2021 2:15pm

I wonder if Nintendo ever intended to show it last week and are just trying to discredit "leakers" or if the reports were actually wrong.
If third parties were hoping to use the Pro's existence for their presentations, they need to announce its existence before then or the presentations will need to be updated.

Fysh · 07-06-2021 2:45pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

I wonder if Nintendo ever intended to show it last week and are just trying to discredit "leakers" or if the reports were actually wrong.
If third parties were hoping to use the Pro's existence for their presentations, they need to announce its existence before then or the presentations will need to be updated.

Was there anything from Nintendo saying there was going to be anything released last week? Because until that point, we're not talking "reports", but "rumours".

(Yes, I'd like actual detail on the new hardware, but I'm extraordinarily uninterested in reading speculative - and often uniformed - pish from people taking a wild guess and then being reported as absolute fact...)

johnny_ultimate · 07-06-2021 2:51pm

Always worth remembering a substantial portion of ‘leaks’ and ‘rumours’ may well have literally just been made up by some lad on Reddit. And there’s a whole host of cheap clickbait websites that will regurgitate the rumours as news.

Not to say there aren’t some well-informed folk posting accurate speculation online here and there, plus actual decent reporters like the hardware beat folks in Bloomberg. But with many leakers they throw out so much **** that only the law of averages means they very occasionally hit the mark.

CastorTroy · 07-06-2021 4:56pm

Fysh wrote: »

Was there anything from Nintendo saying there was going to be anything released last week? Because until that point, we're not talking "reports", but "rumours".

(Yes, I'd like actual detail on the new hardware, but I'm extraordinarily uninterested in reading speculative - and often uniformed - pish from people taking a wild guess and then being reported as absolute fact...)

That's what I mean. There was nothing from Nintendo but I wonder if they planned to announce it then decided to delay when people started reporting on the possible announcement.
With the Direct format and with announcements via twitter they can just change when they want without worrying about press events.

Star Lord · 07-06-2021 5:05pm

Chances are that Nintendo will announce it on their E3 direct, and after they've revealed it, game creators will be able to show their content for it.

CiDeRmAn · 08-06-2021 3:21pm

The release of this hardware update probably predates the actual Switch launch.
Given the disappointment in the chipset being used in the then new console, people were already speculating about the future replacement, particularly in terms of the Nvidia components.
After that, it's been a regular "prediction" that the replacement Switch was on the way, so it's really only ever been a "when" rather than an "if".
But I think we can be pretty sure that new hardware and games will be announced in the coming months, probably sooner.
I think the games that will herald the new console are more tantalizing than the hardware!
Just hoping it's backwards compatible...

Might even have Netflix and Disney+ !

Mr E · 10-06-2021 8:10am

GameStop Is Expecting A Surge Of Customers After Nintendo's E3 Direct

GameStop are doubling their staff next week on the 15th to deal with some sort of demand on the day of Nintendo's Direct. I doubt they'd do that for any software release do chances are that it could be new hardware...

https://www.thegamer.com/gamestop-nintendos-e3-direct-zelda/

CastorTroy · 10-06-2021 11:04am

Zelda shadow drop.

blockfighter · 10-06-2021 2:13pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

Zelda shadow drop.

Great name for a game.

sligeach · 10-06-2021 3:51pm

What about "The Legend of Zelda: A Link between Past Phantom Wind Mask Awakening Breath"?

sligeach · 12-06-2021 4:36pm

Nintendo Switch Pro gets 7nm Nvidia Orin platform with performance on par with GeForce RTX 3050

https://www.worldstockmarket.net/nintendo-switch-pro-gets-7nm-nvidia-orin-platform-with-performance-on-par-with-geforce-rtx-3050/

As ever, mountains of salt at the standby.

12-06-2021 5:05pm

RTX 3050 is a 90 Watt max gpu.

Orin 65 / 70 Watts

Tegra X1 in the switch uses maybe 10 Watts max.

does not compute....

sligeach · 12-06-2021 5:21pm

I see 80 watts max for RTX 3050. The article even says that "the GeForce RTX 3050 is 8nm, and the Orion T239 is 7nm, so its power consumption should be slightly lower." Plus Nintendo underclocks components. I'm sure modifications have been made to keep power consumption low. I haven't seen anyone mention this as an issue elsewhere. I wouldn't know though.

12-06-2021 5:26pm

sligeach wrote: »

I see 80 watts max for RTX 3050. The article even says that "the GeForce RTX 3050 is 8nm, and the Orion T239 is 7nm, so its power consumption should be slightly lower." Plus Nintendo underclocks components. I'm sure modifications have been made to keep power consumption low. I haven't seen anyone mention this as an issue elsewhere. I wouldn't know though.

still doesn't add up, at all.

"slightly lower" wouldn't cut it.

unless Nintendo are going for a sub 1 hour battery life with a huge heat pipe and big fan coming out the arse of it.

the normal current switch has a 16 Watt Hour battery.

that means it (total everything including cpu, gpu and screen) could provide 16 watts for one hour, or 4 hours at 4 watts etc.

12-06-2021 5:26pm

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3050.c3744

90 Watts here

sligeach · 12-06-2021 8:01pm

"There are different TDP variants of Orin, with a 15 W SKU (customized Orin S) offering the best potential option for a Nintendo Switch Pro."

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Alleged-Nintendo-Switch-Pro-customized-SoC-model-number-points-to-a-chip-that-will-destroy-the-Switch-s-Tegra-X1-in-raw-processing-power.545173.0.html

12-06-2021 9:20pm

15 W - now that is eminently possible

remains to be seen how much grunt is left after bringing the power wattage down that much

but I also see comments that the SoC die size is 3 times that of the Tegra X1 which might make it unfeasible.

also some say too expensive

time will tell

Mr E · 16-06-2021 5:25pm

Mr E wrote: »

GameStop Is Expecting A Surge Of Customers After Nintendo's E3 Direct

GameStop are doubling their staff next week on the 15th to deal with some sort of demand on the day of Nintendo's Direct. I doubt they'd do that for any software release do chances are that it could be new hardware...

https://www.thegamer.com/gamestop-nintendos-e3-direct-zelda/

So this didn't age well.

I wonder if it was even a real thing.

CastorTroy · 16-06-2021 5:30pm

Big rush to order Metroid Dread

16-06-2021 6:40pm

I would say that the Tegra Xavier is the favourite to be the SoC in the Switch Pro / 2 / Super / XL / whatever

sligeach · 23-06-2021 2:08pm

What would the games look like on the Switch Pro? | Switch VS Switch Pro | Simulated Comparison

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Fwamabl9nPg#

The differences look greater on some games than others and obviously a compressed Youtube video won't show the full impact.

Fysh · 23-06-2021 2:44pm

That video is missing the words "on my imaginary version of the Switch Pro" in the title :P (Also "simulated comparison" is an elegant euphemism for "complete work of fiction")

Star Lord · 23-06-2021 2:56pm

Fysh wrote: »

That video is missing the words "on my imaginary version of the Switch Pro" in the title :P (Also "simulated comparison" is an elegant euphemism for "complete work of fiction")

Seems to me that they've most likely just run the games on an emulator, so you can get the higher res and various filters/effects/anti-aliasing, and then downgraded the quality of the footage for the comparison shots.

recyclops · 06-07-2021 2:09pm

is it a third upgrade of the original or is it more powerful this video doesnt really say much about power but more about screen and stand.

or is this an xbox series s still downgrade on a less powerful pro?

CastorTroy · 06-07-2021 2:18pm

Yeah nothing there to tempt me.

06-07-2021 2:19pm

It's the Switch Pro without the Pro aspect.

quokula · 06-07-2021 2:20pm

If it was more powerful then they would surely have mentioned. Sounds like there is zero difference between this and a regular switch if you're playing connected to a TV.

johnny_ultimate · 06-07-2021 2:21pm

No talk of a performance upgrade makes this an easy skip. A new screen is nice and all, but not 300 quid nice. I’m guessing it has the rumoured 4K upscaling given the rumours were right in other respects, but Nintendo doesn’t seem to think it’s even worth mentioning if so :pac:

Edit: nope, no 4K. *Very* easy skip.

https://twitter.com/stephentotilo/status/1412400798282174467?s=21

CastorTroy · 06-07-2021 2:33pm

Probably phase out the old model so they can be sure everyone pays the new price.
New screen, better sound, 64GB storage and Ethernet connection

Mr.Saturn · 06-07-2021 2:37pm

Well, I can see why Nintendo weren't keen to fan the flames of expectations.

super_furry · 06-07-2021 3:02pm

The screen size was never an issue for me, the lack of performance was. Without any power bump it's a hard pass for me.

I don't think it even has Bluetooth. The fecking Vita has that.

Doodah7 · 06-07-2021 3:12pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

Probably phase out the old model so they can be sure everyone pays the new price.

No. At the end of the video you can clearly see the current version and the Switch light alongside the new OLED one.

CastorTroy · 06-07-2021 3:17pm

Doodah7 wrote: »

No. At the end of the video you can clearly see the current version and the Switch light alongside the new OLED one.

I mean you'll be able to buy both for a while but likely stop production on the older model. Maybe not and it'll be a cheaper option

Tom Mann Centuria · 06-07-2021 3:20pm

Won't be bothering with this I don't think, as I said way back when, at start of the thread, not worth it for a better screen (no mention of improved battery life I don't think either)

Edi: although that super wide kick stand was probably what everyone was waiting for....

druss · 06-07-2021 3:22pm

If I can avail of a trade in for my day-one Switch, then I might upgrade. Otherwise it's a pass from me as well.

blockfighter · 06-07-2021 3:35pm

druss wrote: »

If I can avail of a trade in for my day-one Switch, then I might upgrade. Otherwise it's a pass from me as well.

Yes, this all the way. Will be keeping an eye on Gamestop over the next few weeks to see what they offer.

xckjoo · 06-07-2021 3:47pm

Doesn't look like a major difference but I only have a Lite so might end up picking one up around Christmas. Hopefully the battery life will be better too.

Gamer Bhoy 89 · 06-07-2021 3:53pm

If I can get it on a trade-in deal I'll consider it. Birthday's coming up so might as well take advantage. Even then I can't see this being a worthy purchase if the "upgrades" are superficial, all for an extra 50 quid? Even if you don't own a Switch currently, there is little reason to get this unless you have to have an LAN port, 2cm-larger screen, wide kickstand, "better" audio - I dunno, seems useless to me.

Then again why were we all expecting a "pro" model in the first place? Who started that rumour?

Gonzo · 06-07-2021 4:08pm

This new model seems like a complete waste of time and I think we can forget about a Switch Pro at this stage. I was looking forward to the upgraded Switch with extra power so that it can run games like Age Of Calamity properly without tanking frame rates.

Inviere · 06-07-2021 4:37pm

The only way this makes any sense is if it just replaces the current model Switch. It really can't be seen as justifiable upgrade for anyone who owns one currently.

Anyone with a day 1 or early switch would also be far better off selling privately, rather than trading. Those early Switch models are pretty sought after as they're easily moddable, as opposed to the patched units which require a very scarce mod chip.

Overall pretty disappointed with this new release, we're committed to at least 2 or 3 years of games on this antiquated SoC (late 2014/early 2015 Tegra X1)

CiDeRmAn · 06-07-2021 4:37pm

I expected this kind of upgrade for ages, and I think I specifically mentioned the screen size as the major change, along with the battery improvement.
Anyone watching the evolution of the Gameboy, Gameboy Advance, DS and 3DS should have expected this kind of subtle but significant change in the system.
However, I would imagine that this is the final Switch hardware and the replacement is probably going to be announced before the years end, with the new LoZ title as a Christmas 2022 launch title

HairySalmon · 06-07-2021 5:32pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I expected this kind of upgrade for ages, and I think I specifically mentioned the screen size as the major change, along with the battery improvement.
Anyone watching the evolution of the Gameboy, Gameboy Advance, DS and 3DS should have expected this kind of subtle but significant change in the system.
However, I would imagine that this is the final Switch hardware and the replacement is probably going to be announced before the years end, with the new LoZ title as a Christmas 2022 launch title

I hope you’re right and they don’t treat it like a handheld and keep it around for 8 years.. it’s barely chugging along performance-wise

Fysh · 06-07-2021 6:02pm

I assume that there's a lot of "actually this is why I'm not wrong" nonsense out of the rumour-peddlers who were banging on about the Pro being a significantly more powerful upgrade but the only winning game is not to play when it comes to those muppets.

I won't be upgrading either, because while the larger screen real estate might be nice for handheld mode I already find the Switch a bit too large for comfortable handheld play.

Nice of them to include a LAN socket in the new dock, though I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they later announce that you need a special Nintendo RJ45 patch lead for it.

ShadowHearth · 06-07-2021 6:29pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

No talk of a performance upgrade makes this an easy skip. A new screen is nice and all, but not 300 quid nice. I’m guessing it has the rumoured 4K upscaling given the rumours were right in other respects, but Nintendo doesn’t seem to think it’s even worth mentioning if so :pac:

Edit: nope, no 4K. *Very* easy skip.

https://twitter.com/stephentotilo/status/1412400798282174467?s=21

As someone said on reddit "You can enjoy your 15fps of bigger Oled screen now!"

Grassey · 06-07-2021 6:45pm

Gamer Bhoy 89 wrote:

Then again why were we all expecting a "pro" model in the first place? Who started that rumour?

Sligeach, he's been saying since 2017 ðŸ˜‚

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