GRO Records

red sean · 28-09-2016 11:52pm

Jellybaby1 wrote: »

On birth records I've come across a few with 'C.E.' for profession of father. Anyone know what this stands for?

Possibly Civil Employee, an early description of the later Civil Servant. It covered all Govt. staff from manual labourers to management.
My source could be wrong though!!!

tabbey · 29-09-2016 8:48am

:mad::mad::mad:

Alicat wrote: »

I can't seem to find a civil cert for a marriage that I have the parish record for...

Between Thomas Hyland and Bridget Brennan, married 1st June 1890 in Kingstown.

Here's the link to the parish record.

Any ideas why I can't find a civil cert for it?

This couple were married in Kingstown, in the SRD of Rathdown, and should have been registered there.

They were resident in York Street, off St Stephen's Green, and their parents also lived in the city, at Gardiner St & Denzille St (now Fenian St).
It is possible that the priest thought that they should have been registered in Dublin South and that someone else would do this. Since they had a dispensation to marry away from their home parish, Fr Byrne may have felt the clergy in St Andrews< Westland Row would do it

Hence it is possible that civil registration fell by the wayside.

Earnest · 29-09-2016 10:56am

C.E. is more likely to be Chartered Engineer than Civil Engineer.

Waitsian · 29-09-2016 5:52pm

Has anyone any inkling, maybe heard on the grapevine, when the rest of the records will appear? The deaths before 1891, and marriages pre '82?

Frustratingly for me those are the years that most interest me. An ETA of some kind would let me plan ahead somewhat.

pinkypinky · 29-09-2016 8:08pm

I asked at the launch and there was no definitive answer: just whenever the GRO got time to scan them.

Waitsian · 30-09-2016 10:39am

pinkypinky wrote:

I asked at the launch and there was no definitive answer: just whenever the GRO got time to scan them.

Without wanting to appear cynical that's what I figured. Will just have to concentrate on other avenues; plenty to be getting on with while I wait.

whosedaddy? · 01-10-2016 1:36pm

And hopefully they look into fixing those records with GRiD, but no image. One of my relatives seem to be only death 1898 in Dundalk that has no image. The GRID is also very different from any other of the 600 something death that year.

shanew · 01-10-2016 3:01pm

have you found the old style references, volume & page number, for this e.g. on FamilySearch ?
I can sometimes work out the correct image link based on other deaths in the same district

whosedaddy? · 01-10-2016 4:14pm

Oh yes. Found record on a previous page via familysearch and then the entry I was after. Thanks again for the suggestion.

shanew · 01-10-2016 4:18pm

this can also work for records which do not show up on a search on the GRO/IrishGenealogy website, but do show on the FamilySearch indexes

Hermy · 02-10-2016 11:51am

Can anyone tell me the place of birth for the unnamed daughter of Patrick Moore, third entry down?

Hermy · 02-10-2016 11:56am

I think I have it - Lying In Hospital Britain Street - or the Rotunda as we know it today.

Alan259 · 02-10-2016 6:07pm

rhapsody wrote: »

Thanks for mentioning this, and putting up the links. I've been so busy looking up my own people that I didn't think to search for historical figures. For anyone who someone didn't know the background, I'm sure they'd find it strange to see poets, sculptors, headmasters etc dying of 'probable gunshot wounds' (which in itself reads very strangely).

Jellybaby1 wrote: »

There was also the 'Great Flu Epidemic' of 1918/19. Over 20,000 died in Ireland. I haven't found any in my own records yet but I am definitely seeing a few here and there in 1918.

I found today, Thomas MacDonagh's death registration at: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05238/4450951.pdf .

I also came across death registrations of people who died on KLM Flight 607-E on the 14th August 1958, passengers were from the United States, the Netherlands, Mexico, etc. The place of death was given as GPS coordinates but they were still registered in the district of Galway. And I only found them because my great grandfather's death registration was on the same page as some of them.

lottpaul wrote: »

Was interested to read about the 1916 executions etc -- am trying to find a record for someone executed in the Civil War -- can find most of the people executed at the same time and in the same place (Beggars Bush Barracks) but no sign of him at all. Is it possible his death was never actually registered? Or just that some registers have been lost etc?

It's possible that it wasn't registered or that the registration has been lost, but it could also be registered in Irish, so make sure to look up the Irish translation of the name. Did you check if Familysearch.org has his name? I'v noticed that Irishgenealogy.ie has corrupted the spellings of some names while Familysearch.org has the correct version.

dylbert · 03-10-2016 11:05am

Hi all, I’ve been researching my family tree the past couple of weeks. There is something that is puzzling me, I can’t seem to find any church records for any events on one side of the tree, I can find civil documentation for individuals on the familysearch.org but can’t fined any corresponding church records on irishgenealogy.ie. All these records relate to Dublin City, can anyone shed some light on this for me? Maybe I’m missing something obvious?

shanew · 03-10-2016 11:15am

what sort of dates are involved ?
In most cases the Dublin City parish records on IrishGenealogy cover up to abt 1900, although one or two stray into the early 20thC

dylbert · 03-10-2016 11:22am

shanew wrote: »

what sort of dates are involved ?
In most cases the Dublin City parish records on IrishGenealogy cover up to abt 1900, although one or two stray into the early 20thC

I've been looking for pre 1900 document. As an example I have ancestors by the name of McKeag and Guerrini, I've found lots of civil documents but not one church record.

shanew · 03-10-2016 11:23am

I think the next step is see what the relevant parish would have been at the time, based on place of birth/usual residence and see if it's covered on the IrishGenealogy website.

what denomination ?

Earnest · 03-10-2016 11:26am

Are some of the civil records for marriage? That will tell you if they were married in church or in the registry office, and if they were married in the registry office the children were possibly not baptised.

shanew · 03-10-2016 11:35am

There's a marriage of a Vincent Guerrini in 1883 is he one of yours ?

married St. Catherine RC, the irishGenealogy records for this parish cover up to 1881 for marriages

dylbert · 03-10-2016 11:36am

shanew wrote: »

what denomination ?

All Roman Catholic.

I'm in work at the moment but will have another look when I get home.

blue banana · 03-10-2016 1:52pm

Some Roman Catholic records for Dublin are on www.rootsireland.ie

pinkypinky · 03-10-2016 2:14pm

blue banana wrote: »

Some Roman Catholic records for Dublin are on www.rootsireland.ie

They are for north and south county though, not the city, and there's very little of the counties on irishgenealogy.ie

With a name like Guerinni, I'd be looking at possible mistranscriptions.

Jellybaby1 · 03-10-2016 2:17pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

They are for north and south county though, not the city, and there's very little of the counties on irishgenealogy.ie

With a name like Guerinni, I'd be looking at possible mistranscriptions.

This caught my eye. Are you saying that North / South Dublin means North / South County Dublin? I took it to be North City and South City and that Dublin meant County Dublin!

pinkypinky · 03-10-2016 3:19pm

If you log into rootsireland, even without a sub, you can see the exact online sources list for each section.

South County Dublin covers (for RC):

Parish Baptisms Marriages Deaths
Ballybrack 1841-1900
Rathdown Union 1895-1900
Union Workhouse Rathdown 1841-1900 1876-1894
Booterstown 1755-1900 1755-1900
Blackrock 1854-1900
Cabinteely 1862-1900
Dalkey 1861-1900
Dundrum 1854-1900 1865-1900
Glasthule 1865-1900 1860-1900 (Ballybrack)
Kingstown/Dun Laoghaire 1755-1900 1755-1900
Monkstown 1855-1900 1865-1900

North County Dublin
Parish Baptisms Marriages Deaths
Arran Quay/Glasnevin 1731-1900 1732-1900
Balbriggan 1770-1899 1796-1899
Baldoyle/Howth/Sutton 1784-1899
(None for Baldoyle from 26/12/1807 to 4/7/1824) 1784-1899
Blanchardstown 1771-1860 1771-1899
Clontarf/Coolock/Raheny 1771-1899 1771-1899
Donabate 1760-1899
(None from 24/12/1799 to 8/2/1800) 1761-1899
(None from 29/8/1801 to 9/1/1803 and from 21/6/1867 to 9/2/1869)
Finglas 1785-1899 1757-1899
(None from 19/5/1760 to 27/11/1784 and 22/8/1800 to 12/1/1801)
Garristown 1857-1899 1857-1899
Lusk 1701-1899
(None from 22/11/1834 to 1/1/1835) 1701-1899
(None from 12/1/1801 to 18/3/1802 and 10/11/1856 to 2/2/1857)
Malahide 1856-1900 1856-1899
Naul/Ballyboughal 1832-1899 1833-1899
Rolestown/Oldtown 1857-1899 1857-1899
Rush 1785-1899 1785-1899
Skerries 1751-1899 1751-1899
St. Margaret's 1854-1901 1857-1903
Swords 1763-1899
(None from 27/12/1835 to 2/6/1802) 1763-1899
(None from 7/7/1777 to 2/6/1802) 1826-1838

So the only city location is Clontarf/Arran Quay.

But for the GRO records, north Dublin and south Dublin cover vast swathes of the city and county, but don't forget you need Rathdown for some of the more southern parts of Dublin and Balrothery for the north.

blue banana · 03-10-2016 3:29pm

You should be able to view the full list of parishes and dates including Dublin North and Dublin south here (without subscribing)

http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=sources

blue banana · 03-10-2016 3:31pm

Sorry crossed post

FatherTed · 05-10-2016 3:08am

Found some interesting information on my grand uncle, my middle name is named after him.

He died during the Civil War and knew he was part of the old IRA as the only picture we have is of him with a group of others holding a shotgun. I found out some time ago searching through the Military records that my grand-aunt had tried to claim army pension benefits in the 1950's and that investigation details how he was on the run for some time and was sleeping in fields, barns etc but eventually died of a ruptured ulcer and peritonitis/toxaemia. She didn't win the claim because it was deemed he didn't die of a direct injury.

Anyways what I didn't know until I searched through these GRO records that he got married he day he died in the hospital. I had never heard that he was married, can't wait to talk to my uncle about this at the weekend.

montgo · 05-10-2016 10:11am

Hi guys,
I'm looking for the death record of a Michael Carmody who died at home in Athlacca, Co. Limerick (district Bruff/Kilmallock) in July 1958 according to newspaper death notice. I want to confirm age, etc. It does not appear to be on FamilySearch either (past their cut off date?) so do I assume that it has not been registered?

pinkypinky · 05-10-2016 10:46am

I see one in 1957 in Kilmallock, are you sure the newspaper notice is not an anniversary?

montgo · 05-10-2016 11:39am

Thanks Pinky,
It was definitely a death notice and the date of the notice corresponded with date of newspaper.

The chap I was looking for was married.

I will try to get someone to call into the local cemetery to check for any headstone:)

montgo · 09-10-2016 5:54pm

According to Shane, I should/might be able to find the image even though it is missing. So I was looking for the death record of -
Name Hugh Hayes
Event Type Death
Event Date Oct - Dec 1954
Event Place Limerick, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year Oct - Dec 1954
Registration District Limerick
Age 87
Birth Year (Estimated) 1867
Volume Number 5
Page Number 201

So with Vol# & Page#, how do I check for others who died circa same time in same district?

pinkypinky · 09-10-2016 5:59pm

Do you know which subdistrict of Limerick he died in? You'll need that the try changing the page numbers in the url.

montgo · 09-10-2016 6:18pm

Yes -Superintendent District - Limerick, Regristrar's district - Grean.
So how I narrow down the results to Grean? Sorry, I'm a bit dense today:)

mickmackey1 · 09-10-2016 6:43pm

Here you are, second entry -

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1954/04438/4160215.pdf

montgo · 09-10-2016 7:39pm

Many thanks, much appreciated.

But how did you locate it?

shanew · 09-10-2016 8:24pm

They way I do it - search for another death in Limerick district in the same year, and pick someone in the same quarter, this one is happens to be 204 so close to your 201.

Using the name, year & record type, search for the same death on the GRO index - look at the end or the URL on the register image, make sure this person is on the page and check the page number - top left or right and adjust the pdf image ref. in the URL...in this case ending with 218, and subtract 3 to get to page 401 - so now the URL ends with 4160215.pdf

I dont think the sub-district/dispensary district matters, as all Limerick superintendent district records will be in the same volume.

montgo · 09-10-2016 8:39pm

Okay, I think I've got it. Many thanks.

shanew · 09-10-2016 8:53pm

shout if you have any others - I'm sure there will be some records where this will not work, it might be necessary to try a few nearby records. As long as the volume number is the same, and there is an image in the right sequence I think it should work

montgo · 09-10-2016 9:23pm

Great, thanks Shane. I'll shout if I need help again.

Hermy · 13-10-2016 10:08am

I wonder can anyone help with No. 190 - the death of Alan Henry Corr.

The place of death is ??? hospital.
I think his address is 3 Upper Albert Road Sandycove.
And cause of death looks like Anaemia, Heart Failure, Chronic Hepatitis, certified.

pinkypinky · 13-10-2016 10:13am

Children's hospital?

I think it's chronic nephritis not hepatitis.

Hermy · 13-10-2016 10:15am

Yes it does look like Childrens Hospital. Odd that.

No. 189 definitely says Childrens Hospital but No. 190 looks slightly different.

pinkypinky · 13-10-2016 10:17am

Other deaths on that page look like children's as well, but other hospitals are listed: Coombe, Meath, and the streets are all that area too. Ask Shane what hospitals are in Thoms for that era?

shanew · 13-10-2016 10:27am

looks like Adelaide Hospital for 191, Children's for 190

National Children's Hospital for 189 ?

pedroeibar1 · 13-10-2016 10:29am

St Michaels hospital (Dun Laoghaire). I'd guess that Upper Albert Rd is the stretch from the raikway bridge to the roundabout

Looked at google - it is called upper there never knew there were upper and lower even thpugh I know that area well!

KildareFan · 13-10-2016 10:39am

I agree it's most likely Michael's Hospital, given his address. Interesting that the informant is his brother and not someone from the hospital.

shanew · 13-10-2016 10:58am

St. Michael's would be close to where they both lived in Sandycove, but I'm not sure the district is correct for a death there. Any of the certs I have for St. Michael's up to the 1960s are registered Rathdown

pedroeibar1 · 13-10-2016 11:04am

pinkypinky wrote: »

.....what hospitals are in Thoms for that era?

The only ones I can think of are the Lourdes (now the National Rehab) and Monkstown Hospital.

tabbey · 13-10-2016 11:11am

Hermy wrote: »

I wonder can anyone help with No. 190 - the death of Alan Henry Corr.

The place of death is ??? hospital.
I think his address is 3 Upper Albert Road Sandycove.
And cause of death looks like Anaemia, Heart Failure, Chronic Hepatitis, certified.

Mercer's Hospital.

The flourishing capital M is confusing you.

Mercer's Hospital a 124 bed general hospital named after Mary Mercer was on the corner of Mercer's Street and facing South King Street.

Like Sir Patrick Dun's, Royal City of Dublin and Steeven's, it closed late 1980s and services moved into St James.

tabbey · 13-10-2016 11:14am

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

The only ones I can think of are the Lourdes (now the National Rehab) and Monkstown Hospital.

These hospitals and St Michael's are not in the South City No 3 reg district, they are in Dun Laoghaire , Rathdown SRD.

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