Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

02-04-2015 8:36pm

Season tickets can be made available via the Leinster ticket exchange.

Individual games, somewhere like toutless is your best option.

total former · 02-04-2015 8:47pm

Tox56 wrote: »

With one notable exception calling those posts "MOC is sh*t" posts is as broad and unfair as labelling the posts defending him as "MOC can do no wrong" posts. There is actually thought and reasoning going into them

Yep, some of them are very well argued. Others not so much. Others are just plain bananas.

I'm just sick of the whole thing. We're playing a relatively important game at the weekend. I'd rather discuss that. I'd rather discuss who might be here next season, I'd rather discuss the size of Nacewa's belly, just anything tbh.

Heroditas · 02-04-2015 9:39pm

Phil Mitchell wrote: »

Hello. Firstly I'm not trying to sell tickets here, just looking for direction.

Is there an official route for Leinster fans to sell their unwanted tickets?

I'm not with the supporters club and bought tickets via ticketmaster

There's a subforum on Leinster fans.com

03-04-2015 10:12am

So Te'o is in the frame to start this one? The way Fitz has defended at 13, and the fact they've a brilliant attacking 13, would make sense to me to start Fitz there. I've taken no enjoyment from watching Leinster over the last 2 months or so so haven't really done any sort of in-depth look at anything, how has Te'o been overall? My one glance at games would say he's been getting over the gainline well enough, but how's his defence been?

Buer · 03-04-2015 11:00am

Layla Young Goose-step wrote: »

So Te'o is in the frame to start this one? The way Fitz has defended at 13, and the fact they've a brilliant attacking 13, would make sense to me to start Fitz there. I've taken no enjoyment from watching Leinster over the last 2 months or so so haven't really done any sort of in-depth look at anything, how has Te'o been overall? My one glance at games would say he's been getting over the gainline well enough, but how's his defence been?

His defence hasn't been stellar (41 tackles made, 7 missed in 2015) but it hasn't been something where we've been notably exposed either. I would say the area where he stands out as not really knowing what to do is the breakdown and that's to be expected.

While I share some of the dubiousness regarding his selection, his presence would mean we get our best attacking players on the field. His work in attack has been impressive. Not only has he been getting over the gain line but he has great awareness around him for the offload and soft hands. I posted his attacking stats in his starts in 2015 on the other thread:

In his 6 starts in 2015, Ben Te'o has beaten 27 defenders and made 11 clean breaks

To put that in context, here are the combined stats of the players who played 11, 12, 14 and 15 in those games:

52 defenders beaten, 21 clean breaks.

When he's giving us 50% of what the rest of the back line is giving us in those isolated areas (and it's generally easier to beat a defender in the back 3 than it is in midfield), he makes a very strong case for inclusion.

durkadurka · 03-04-2015 11:34am

Have you got knock on stats for Teo?

irishbucsfan · 03-04-2015 11:51am

Buer has been responsible for 87% of the usage of scrum.com's stats page since the website was redesigned.

Synode · 03-04-2015 1:02pm

Look at post 201 above

dregin · 03-04-2015 1:40pm

Synode wrote: »

Look at post 201 above

... Why?

Synode · 03-04-2015 3:17pm

Someone was asking about a ticket. I'm guessing you've deleted it or I've posted in the wrong thread

dregin · 03-04-2015 4:13pm

I don't mod this forum, so I can't delete anything

Synode · 03-04-2015 4:32pm

Right so, posted in the wrong thread

wowy · 05-04-2015 5:08pm

Sky just said Toulon-Leinster is on Sunday 19th at 3.15.

Korat · 05-04-2015 5:21pm

It would be the biggest upset since Leinster turned over Toulouse back in '06 was it? Hickie's length of the field try.

Michalak contributed to Leinster's win that day.

Starting Madigan at 10 is the only way Leinster have a hope of surprising Toulon.

stephen_n · 05-04-2015 5:28pm

Korat wrote: »

It would be the biggest upset since Leinster turned over Toulouse back in '06 was it? Hickie's length of the field try.

Michalak contributed to Leinster's win that day.

Starting Madigan at 10 is the only way Leinster have a hope of surprising Toulon.

Madigan can't control games at the best of times and has no hope when his pack is on the back foot we'd be destroyed.

Heroditas · 05-04-2015 5:41pm

Korat wrote: »

It would be the biggest upset since Leinster turned over Toulouse back in '06 was it? Hickie's length of the field try.

Michalak contributed to Leinster's win that day.

Starting Madigan at 10 is the only way Leinster have a hope of surprising Toulon.

If we beat Toulon, it'll be an even bigger shock than 06 in my opinion.

Korat · 05-04-2015 5:46pm

stephen_n wrote: »

Madigan can't control games at the best of times and has no hope when his pack is on the back foot we'd be destroyed.

Leinster have 5 of Ireland's, 3rd ranked in the World back to back 6N champions, first choice pack, with another 4 of this season's replacements. Parity up front is a reasonable expectation.

Gopperth disappeared for much of the game yesterday and Madigan missed so many tackles at 12 Paddy Wallace was laughing. Wrong men in the wrong places.

George Ford exposed Leinster in the same way Madigan is the best shot of exposing Toulon.

You might as well lose by 50 than not try at all.

scott1974 · 05-04-2015 5:49pm

I thought Wasps did well on the second half. Toulon just keep coming at you. There was a spell where Wasps milled them in a few scrums. A slight chink of hope...maybe.
We definitely need to bring our A game for 80 mins.

Bridge93 · 05-04-2015 5:52pm

They have a big, old pack if indeed that one plays against us, with an average (by top European level) front row. Our only real hope is to go after them up front.

icdg · 05-04-2015 5:56pm

wowy wrote: »

Sky just said Toulon-Leinster is on Sunday 19th at 3.15.

Interesting if true because BT were advertising earlier that they had the Sunday semi-final but they supposedly have first pick on English sides which would mean passing Clermont v Saracens?

stephen_n · 05-04-2015 6:37pm

icdg wrote: »

Interesting if true because BT were advertising earlier that they had the Sunday semi-final but they supposedly have first pick on English sides which would mean passing Clermont v Saracens?

Definitely Sunday, Sky put it up after the Toulon match.

05-04-2015 6:40pm

icdg wrote: »

Interesting if true because BT were advertising earlier that they had the Sunday semi-final but they supposedly have first pick on English sides which would mean passing Clermont v Saracens?

No way BT aren't covering Sarries. That will be a circle-jerk of earth shattering proportions if today's coverage is anything to go by.

scott1974 · 05-04-2015 7:01pm

Yeah, our game is on Sky...best of a bad bunch.
Everything is so sensationalized, it's like tabloid tv.

icdg · 05-04-2015 7:07pm

Obviously just a bit of jumping the gun by BT so. Makes more sense for them to have the Saturday game, in their regular PRL slot at 3:15pm.

Hagz · 05-04-2015 7:10pm

Korat wrote: »

George Ford exposed Leinster in the same way Madigan is the best shot of exposing Toulon.

Madigan isn't capable of exposing a defence the way George Ford exposed Leinster yesterday. George Ford reads the game brilliantly and has time on the ball, Madigan doesn't. Neither does Gopperth mind.

Korat · 05-04-2015 7:11pm

If Matt O'Connor can engineer a win over Toulon, I'll donate all my spare time to assisting Anzac Day Ozzifications of Dublin.

Larbre34 · 05-04-2015 7:13pm

I think making this SF will finish off our chances of getting into the league play-offs. Just a 5 day turnaround now until Ulster away. We need something out of all 4 remaining matches to have a hope of a playoff spot.

05-04-2015 7:26pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I think making this SF will finish off our chances of getting into the league play-offs. Just a 5 day turnaround now until Ulster away. We need something out of all 4 remaining matches to have a hope of a playoff spot.

I hope we're not thinking that way. Europe absolute priority for me.

total former · 05-04-2015 7:27pm

Hagz wrote: »

Madigan isn't capable of exposing a defence the way George Ford exposed Leinster yesterday. George Ford reads the game brilliantly and has time on the ball, Madigan doesn't. Neither does Gopperth mind.

I'd have said spotting a gap in a defence and speeding through it was one of Madigan's main strengths?

Tox56 · 05-04-2015 7:31pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I hope we're not thinking that way. Europe absolute priority for me.

That's nice in theory but a valiant SF loss and no playoffs in the league is realistically what we're looking at by prioritising Europe. I'm not even saying that's necessarily the wrong way to go but that's basically what we're looking at, which is pretty depressing

irishbucsfan · 05-04-2015 7:38pm

total former wrote: »

I'd have said spotting a gap in a defence and speeding through it was one of Madigan's main strengths?

Breaking the line himself is one of his main strengths, engineering a gap or mismatch for someone else doesn't seem remotely as common.

Hagz · 05-04-2015 7:40pm

total former wrote: »

I'd have said spotting a gap in a defence and speeding through it was one of Madigan's main strengths?

I'd have to disagree. I don't really have any abiding memories of Madigan doing anything similar to what George Ford did yesterday, aside from his try at the start of this season against Scarlets. I do think Madigan has a powerful step off his inside and he's caused defences a lot of problems with that (mainly in the early stages of his career), but I don't think that's the same thing. I don't think that involves reading defences, just explosive power. Aside from not having the same amount of time on the ball or reading defences as well, I would also say that George Ford is significantly quicker that Ian Madigan as well.

Korat · 05-04-2015 7:49pm

Ian Madigan is our Campese.

Buer · 05-04-2015 8:00pm

Korat wrote: »

Ian Madigan is our Campese.

I was trying to figure out your comment and then I realised what you must be referring to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5GKgD5d2Ec&t=4m20s

Korat · 05-04-2015 8:21pm

Buer wrote: »

I was trying to figure out your comment and then I realised what you must be referring to.

Yep, that's Campo.

The modern game never allows that kind of freedom.

Ian Madigan is a player from a different age.

Benny Cake · 05-04-2015 8:21pm

Korat wrote: »

Ian Madigan is our Campese.

Ah here.

Buer · 05-04-2015 8:52pm

Korat wrote: »

Yep, that's Campo.

The modern game never allows that kind of freedom.

Ian Madigan is a player from a different age.

Ian Madigan is not David Campese.

Lets call a spade a spade. Madigan is much, much closer to Shane Geraghty or Ryan Lamb as a player.

vienne86 · 05-04-2015 9:16pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Breaking the line himself is one of his main strengths, engineering a gap or mismatch for someone else doesn't seem remotely as common.

That's exactly it - nailed. He always seems to try to go himself when there is a gap.

padser · 05-04-2015 9:20pm

vienne86 wrote: »

. He always seems to try to go himself when there is a gap.

And also, when there isn't a gap

thomond2006 · 05-04-2015 10:23pm

I assume Leinster will be allowed to field their strongest side for Dragons? I think they'll need to have a consistent selection with a view to Marseille.

pickarooney · 06-04-2015 8:31am

I'm looking at getting tickets for the SF. The cheap seats are already on sale but did anyone know yet where the Leinster fans will be sitting?

stephen_n · 06-04-2015 8:47am

thomond2006 wrote: »

I assume Leinster will be allowed to field their strongest side for Dragons? I think they'll need to have a consistent selection with a view to Marseille.

Why wouldn't they be allowed? There's no restrictions on the internationals for the rest of the season is there?

vienne86 · 06-04-2015 8:50am

pickarooney wrote: »

I'm looking at getting tickets for the SF. The cheap seats are already on sale but did anyone know yet where the Leinster fans will be sitting?

Leinster are selling tickets from 10 a.m. this morning. Any STH will be able to tell you where the tickets are being sold and there is sure to be discussion here as people buy.

It'll be interesting to see how many travel - I went to Toulon last year, but it was such a damp squib that I would find it hard to get the enthusiasm to go again this year.....in any event, I don't think I could make it.

total former · 06-04-2015 8:55am

The two week turnaround is a pain in the nuts for organising travel.

Paddy Power have Toulon as eleven point favourites.

stephen_n · 06-04-2015 9:33am

Same day return flights were €550 with Aerlingus yesterday before Toulon had won the game, they're probably about €700 by now.

total former · 06-04-2015 9:40am

thomond2006 wrote: »

I assume Leinster will be allowed to field their strongest side for Dragons? I think they'll need to have a consistent selection with a view to Marseille.

Yeah there won't be any restrictions but O'Connor has a call to make as to whether he plays everyone this week, then again in Toulon, then a five day turnaround to the Ulster game.

Personally I'd play the strongest team possible at Dragons, we need to build more cohesion, especially in midfield.

thomond2006 · 06-04-2015 10:01am

stephen_n wrote: »

Same day return flights were €550 with Aerlingus yesterday before Toulon had won the game, they're probably about €700 by now.

Saturday - Sunday is €336.

pickarooney · 06-04-2015 10:15am

I'm thinking more the 33 or 16 euro seats given this months budget.

thomond2006 · 06-04-2015 10:18am

pickarooney wrote: »

I'm thinking more the 33 or 16 euro seats given this months budget.

The prices are typical really from what I've seen. The cheap seats are very cheap but the most expensive are insane!

http://www.digitick.com/rc-toulon-leinster-sport-stade-velodrome-marseille-19-avril-2015-css5-rct-pg101-ri3156986.html

stephen_n · 06-04-2015 10:55am

thomond2006 wrote: »

Saturday - Sunday is €336.

My dad was checking during the toulon match but was maybe only checking Saturday but was definitely €550, did they lay on extra flights?

Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

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