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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭BowWow


    I have a photocopy of a Death Certificate. Dated 23rd July 1909, for a death that occurred on the 22nd. July. Death registered in Rathmines in South Dublin Union.

    But I cant find the corresponding entry in the GRO.

    Any thoughts?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    It may be indexed under a spelling error.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭BowWow


    spurious wrote: »
    It may be indexed under a spelling error.

    Have tried that. And have tried to find deaths around the date, but none of those found are on the same page.
    There's over 5000 deaths in the south Dublin area in 1909 - at this stage I've looked at most of them....


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Could it have been registered late?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭BowWow


    spurious wrote: »
    Could it have been registered late?

    The date on the copy Cert I have is the day after registration, so not registered late.

    Died in Hospice Harold's Cross, so would think they had a process in place for registering "their" deaths promptly.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭Mollymoo19


    Did you try all SR Districts? I saw a Baltinglass death registered under Balrothery during the week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭Boscod


    Looking for feedback on turnaround times for requests sent to GROonlinepayments@welfare.ie
    Does anyone have any recent experience?
    Thanks.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,676 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Nothing very recent but last few times were same or next day.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭BowWow


    Previous years "top up" uploads were as follows -

    2016 - 7th. Sep

    2017 - 13th. Nov

    2019 - 4th. Jun

    2020 - 8th. Jan

    2021 - 1st. Feb

    Actually quite efficient on the last 2 occasions. Hopefully we'll see 1921B, 1946M and 1971D very soon.

    And with the 1864 - 1871 Death images (I really need these to clear up a few issues).



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,676 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Good stats - thanks.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭BowWow




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,554 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Interesting thing I'd not seen before - very late December 1921 birth I thought might not appear until the 1922 births are up is showing in the index but with a note about the image being in a later year. Some prior December births only appeared with the next year. So the index and the file uploads are not completely locked together.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,676 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    I have seen that before & they usually transcribe the information in that circumstance.

    Something else that's new is they changed the index to show 'see register image' on the gender and mother's birth name.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,154 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Sorry to get all your hopes up.

    The usual question, has anyone any recent insight into when the 1864 -1871 death records will be made available online?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,676 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    None at all. My contact doesn't work in that section anymore so I've no gossip.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,875 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Does anyone know if there are any plans to increase the opening hours in werburg street? Current hours are only tues 10-12.30 and 2-4.30 😩😩 Email requests are available, but only possible if the details for the registers are already known. Pretty poor service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 833 ✭✭✭cobham


    Well that is an improvement to service we had up to recently. What were the hours there pre covid? I would save time by looking up things on the Mormon site ( family search) then would have an year/district to focus on when looking for certs.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,676 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    You can actually ask for searches by email too, the same way as you would in there via books. I got one of births in the 1990s done a couple of weeks ago.

    I spoke to someone senior a few weeks ago and he admitted it was all staffing problems. I pointed out that a public office has a duty to be open regular hours and not randomly decided each week. He did say it would improve in September.

    Pre-Covid had no email ordering available but they were open 930-430 every week day.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭hblock21


    Whats going on with the early death records? Why have they not uploaded them yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,154 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Back in July the dept had 'hope' that they would be completed in the autumn. They neglected to say which autumn.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,676 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    When I last spoke to my contact there, he said it was more complicate than people realised. Some of the indexes are handwritten, etc. Not making excuses: I'd love to see them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 833 ✭✭✭cobham


    Anyone been in Werbergh Street office recently? do you get thrown out for lunch break? any news on Research room in Pearse returned to old format?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭BowWow


    Previous years "top up" uploads -

    2016 - 7th. Sep, 2017 - 13th. Nov, 2019 - 4th. Jun, 2020 - 8th. Jan,

    2021 - 1st. Feb, 2022 - 1st. Mar.

    I'm placing a "virtual" bet that this year's uploads (1922B, 1947M and 1972D) will be on the 26th. January next. Anyone else want to place a bet?

    (I've nearly given up on seeing the 1864 - 1871 Death images).😥



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,154 ✭✭✭✭josip


    You're right to give up on the 1864-71 images; there's a distinct attitude of 'not my job' coming from those 'responsible'.

    (July '22) "We hope to make the final death register entries available in the Autumn."

    (December '22) "The work on the older deaths will be finalised when resources allow and they will then be published on www.irishgealogy.ie. Obligations to customers currently registering events and those requiring certificates of events to conduct their personal and legal business are always a higher priority to this Office."



  • Registered Users Posts: 120 ✭✭55Gem


    I don't know if it's correct and can't remember where I read it. I read that there is only one person working on this project and they only do it when they have time from their other duties. If true getting a new year of BMD online each year is pretty good going and makes it understandable if they can's get to the earlier death records.

    Personally I'd prefer to miss out on the new year of BMD in favour of the early death records.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,676 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    At this stage, I have paid for any important deaths in that period I know I need. It's more about the ability to speculatively look at a lot of records.

    Yesterday, I searched for a marriage of someone with a common name in Dublin. Must have opened 50 or 60 pages, but I found him in the end.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,554 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The newer years are all already indexed, so it's not the same task as connecting the images for the old ones. Remember we actually had these indices public before the data protection office interference!



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,676 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    A little bird suggested the new year of records are coming next week, but the older deaths are not part of the upload.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Well that's something at least.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭Jellybaby_1


    Be still my beating heart!! I'm looking for a marriage. Fingers crossed for good new soon!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭BowWow




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭BowWow


    I have 1922 Births!

    and 1947 Marriages..........

    not to mention 1972 Deaths 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭BowWow


    All gone now!

    But I have screen grabs to prove I haven't lost the plot...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,286 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I seen the 1922, 1947 info earlier aswell. Your not losing it!

    You're right they have disappeared again. It was probably a test upload or something.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Not before time - thanks for the heads-up BowWow.

    Hopefully they'll be up properly before too long.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭BowWow


    We probably have to wait on Catherine Martin to return from where ever and "launch" it offically...



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,676 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    I heard about it after the fact - was away from my desk most of the day.

    But probably means we're getting a St Patrick's day launch or the day before, since no one will be working on Friday!

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    I'm having problems with the website - it's still functioning but with a very basic display.

    Is this the same for the rest of ye?

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭BowWow




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Yes hopefully that's the case!

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,676 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Same problem here. I was tweeting about it earlier.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Good news - according to Irish Genealogy News another years worth of births, marriages and deaths have been added to the site.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,676 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Yep, got my great-uncle's birth record.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


     

    Just my luck – I had one person on my list for 1922, born January in Cork. I already had the key details, a free cert would have been nice. She is in the update, even gives her mother’s maiden name, but no image. “There is currently no image to display. This may be because the record was registered or amended in a later year, or there are quality issues with the original image.”

    So the birth must have been registered in 1923.

    My main interest is in the early data – images from the 1860’s. I wonder will I see these in my lifetime?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,676 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Literally the same refrain from everyone, Mick. There's been no decent explanation as to the delay.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,154 ✭✭✭✭josip


    They've basically told me it's not their job to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭BowWow


    Claire Santry on Irish Genealogy News has suggested that those images should be given, as a project, to volunteers.

    Great idea - I'd volunteer.

    (663k records).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭Jellybaby_1




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,676 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    The coordination of volunteers would be more effort than paying a company to transcribe them!

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    I could not see it working as a 'supervisor - led' project. It would work IMO on a crows source basis, say on the model used by the Australians for TROVE.



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