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Cavanjack · 28-01-2020 12:19am

memorystick wrote: »

Just shows how low they have been when someone considers this to be a good price.

There was plenty of cheap store bulls and bullocks bought in the back end that will leave a good turn for the finisher now at 3.60.

memorystick · 28-01-2020 12:23am

Cavanjack wrote: »

There was plenty of cheap store bulls and bullocks bought in the back end that will leave a good turn for the finisher now at 3.60.

Agreed but long term it’s not feasible.

Base price · 28-01-2020 1:01am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Yes but the steaks from the he FR bull's are suitable for the UK retail market not all supermarket will take them but some will.

Steaks from the majority of dairy crosses are suitable for the Irish and UK supermarket trade.

Jb1989 · 28-01-2020 1:34am

Base price wrote: »

All under 30 month old bulls non QA are eligible for the Chinese market.

The reality is it doesn't matter what the situation was "not too long ago". You have to understand the situation. Fit bulls are wanted by the factories for the Chinese trade but unfortunately that market is only for the forequarter's.

Hi base, what do you mean in your first part, is their a want for under 30 bulls atm? Have a few bulls touching 30 months, either have to take a hit or cut them and go to grass for under 36.

Base price · 28-01-2020 1:58am

Jb1989 wrote: »

Hi base, what do you mean in your first part, is their a want for under 30 bulls atm? Have a few bulls touching 30 months, either have to take a hit or cut them and go to grass for under 36.

WTF - you shouldn't be allowed to keep livestock :mad:

Jb1989 · 28-01-2020 2:08am

Base price wrote: »

WTF - you shouldn't be allowed to keep livestock :mad:

They light animals and vet will do

Base price · 28-01-2020 2:12am

Jb1989 wrote: »

They light animals and vet will do

There ain't a Vet in the country that would do it.

Bass Reeves · 28-01-2020 10:19am

Jb1989 wrote: »

Hi base, what do you mean in your first part, is their a want for under 30 bulls atm? Have a few bulls touching 30 months, either have to take a hit or cut them and go to grass for under 36.

While the Chinese may take forequarters there is no god priced market for rest of animal. Factories might allow 1 or 2 that were just over 24 months on a load. But trying to sell as a load is impossible.

The thrive must have been brutal if they are still light enough to squeeze.

Bass Reeves · 28-01-2020 10:25am

Base price wrote: »

Steaks from the majority of dairy crosses are suitable for the Irish and UK supermarket trade.

Yes but very few dairy cross cattle are continuing on as bulls. Because if AA and HE premium the vast majority of these breeds are made bullocks of.you may have some Contenental dairy crossed but most bulls now are suckle bred or FR. I imagine if you had any bulls under 24 months with adequate FS and killing below 380 average/load you get good prices for thrm

Fireside Solicitor · 28-01-2020 1:18pm

We kept bulls for a few years. If you have 30 month ones fit to squeeze are you sure they are bulls? You could of course castrate them but you watch the effect it will have at that age. You'll give a lot of money to a vet to do it and keep them right. No vet here would do that.

Bass Reeves · 28-01-2020 2:35pm

Fireside Solicitor wrote: »

We kept bulls for a few years. If you have 30 month ones fit to squeeze are you sure they are bulls? You could of course castrate them but you watch the effect it will have at that age. You'll give a lot of money to a vet to do it and keep them right. No vet here would do that.

A lot depends on there weight and present diet. If they are sub 500 kgs and not fleshy there should be no issue. If being fed at present I would not advise

Bass Reeves · 28-01-2020 8:31pm

Jjameson wrote: »

Cut is not squeeze!

Nobody cuts animals any longer. I have seen animals squeezed up at near 500 kgs. If done right they shrink very slowly. TBH they should have been done six months ago. Too many lads have no understanding of the limitation of age.

Cavanjack · 28-01-2020 10:23pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Nobody cuts animals any longer. I have seen animals squeezed up at near 500 kgs. If done right they shrink very slowly. TBH they should have been done six months ago. Too many lads have no understanding of the limitation of age.

There was a world of heavy bulls cut round here last spring. 500+ types

DukeCaboom · 28-01-2020 10:31pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

There was a world of heavy bulls cut round here last spring. 500+ types

Down here too cutting would be popular.

locha · 03-02-2020 11:03am

Had an agent call me Saturday. 3.65 base for Steers.

03-02-2020 11:27am

locha wrote: »

Had an agent call me Saturday. 3.65 base for Steers.

Sent a load of o/r u24 fr bulls on Thursday and got 3.65 flat . They wanted them next morning, so they’re well able to pay when stuck

weatherbyfoxer · 03-02-2020 11:37am

quoted 365 + 20c AA bonus for Angus steers for this week...seems to be great demand for Angus but not as pushed for continentals

bogman_bass · 03-02-2020 11:45am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Nobody cuts animals any longer. I have seen animals squeezed up at near 500 kgs. If done right they shrink very slowly. TBH they should have been done six months ago. Too many lads have no understanding of the limitation of age.

I don’t know where you get that. Vets round here consider cutting by far the better option for stronger bulls

Bass Reeves · 03-02-2020 11:54am

bogman_bass wrote: »

I don’t know where you get that. Vets round here consider cutting by far the better option for stronger bulls

Well local vet will use budizzer on heavy bulls. The next option is banding which is risky as set back can be massive. I have not seen a bull physically cut in 30 years and have seen bulls up to 500 kgs squeezed

Jb1989 · 03-02-2020 6:04pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

While the Chinese may take forequarters there is no god priced market for rest of animal. Factories might allow 1 or 2 that were just over 24 months on a load. But trying to sell as a load is impossible.

The thrive must have been brutal if they are still light enough to squeeze.

Thought that alright, ah few small framed cattle just.

Jb1989 · 03-02-2020 6:06pm

Fireside Solicitor wrote: »

We kept bulls for a few years. If you have 30 month ones fit to squeeze are you sure they are bulls? You could of course castrate them but you watch the effect it will have at that age. You'll give a lot of money to a vet to do it and keep them right. No vet here would do that.

Yes I'm sure Yea I know they would loose weight unfortunately, trying to get away without it on this occasion.

Jb1989 · 03-02-2020 6:07pm

Jjameson wrote: »

They’d never look back provided they were going to grass and before blowfly were about. Takes a long time for a big bull to lose the bullish features though. They never totally do.

True enough on features, and yes. If done early for grass it be OK

Jb1989 · 03-02-2020 6:09pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

I don’t know where you get that. Vets round here consider cutting by far the better option for stronger bulls

Agreed, there a few good oldies around here that can do a very clean job, useing the stick as stitches method.

bogman_bass · 03-02-2020 6:23pm

Jb1989 wrote: »

Agreed, there a few good oldies around here that can do a very clean job, useing the stick as stitches method.

Other way here. It’s the young vets that are more likely to cut (all the young vets round here worked in England for a time. Don’t know if that’s a factor

Jb1989 · 03-02-2020 6:48pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

Other way here. It’s the young vets that are more likely to cut (all the young vets round here worked in England for a time. Don’t know if that’s a factor

Ah that could be, no young vets in my practice, but there you are, more cutting happening than thought.

Count Mondego · 04-02-2020 1:33pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Well local vet will use budizzer on heavy bulls. The next option is banding which is risky as set back can be massive.

What's the risk with banding? I asked a vet a few months ago and he claimed that it's really catching on. Even said they're fine to do in the shed once they get the tetanus shot beforehand. More reliable and easier to administer than Burdizzo i would have thought.

DukeCaboom · 04-02-2020 1:36pm

I think vets push banding because it's alot easier for them.

Bass Reeves · 04-02-2020 1:45pm

Count Mondego wrote: »

What's the risk with banding? I asked a vet a few months ago and he claimed that it's really catching on. Even said they're fine to do in the shed once they get the tetanus shot beforehand. More reliable and easier to administer than Burdizzo i would have thought.

It has a limited window of application. If flies are prevelant they will lay eggs in the rotting sac. It will take the sac 6+weeks to rot away not sure if I would want that happening on slats. Cattle tend to be stiffer for longer.

Using rubber ring on Calves is grand it the banding where there is a substantial sac that is the issue

Cavanjack · 04-02-2020 3:05pm

1373 wrote: »

Sent a load of o/r u24 fr bulls on Thursday and got 3.65 flat . They wanted them next morning, so they’re well able to pay when stuck

Who was paying that for them? If that’s the case 3.85 should be available for u grade bulls.

Base price · 04-02-2020 4:43pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It has a limited window of application. If flies are prevelant they will lay eggs in the rotting sac. It will take the sac 6+weeks to rot away not sure if I would want that happening on slats. Cattle tend to be stiffer for longer.

Using rubber ring on Calves is grand it the banding where there is a substantial sac that is the issue

We toyed with the idea of banding c.20+/- month old FR/HEx/FRx bulls a couple of years ago. At the time I asked about it here on F&F before consulting our Vet as I thought it would be an easier option on both the animal and operator vis a vie using the burdizzo. Our Vet wasn't a fan of banding bulls that had reached sexual maturity due to the prolonged irritation of the band before the nerve endings to the sack are severed. We never discussed cutting them as it is something that I associate with prebubescent colts and I would not be in favour with selectively cutting young bulls unless there was a health or welfare issue that required same.

We lost money on that batch of bulls when they went to the factory but the BEAM scheme offset some of those losses.

oneten · 04-02-2020 5:12pm

Banded 28 month old purebred limousin bull a few years ago, vet advised giving him a shot of the blackleg vaccine and crack on, no visible discomfort, stayed thriving, killed out 500 kgs, I thought it was a super job. I might have made a mistake telling the agent what i was doing because even though I got base price for him I got no grade bonus because he apparently cut dark.
I know it was only one animal and a good 'un at that, but with no apparent discomfort for the animal , it seemed a good job

edit ; killed 1 day short of thirty months

mr.stonewall · 04-02-2020 7:41pm

Would it work well to band Fr bulls just turning 12mths. Still in house but hopefully start going out in the next 2-3 wks. Less risk of flies

memorystick · 04-02-2020 7:47pm

DukeCaboom wrote: »

I think vets push banding because it's alot easier for them.

I had to get the vet back out to a lad. It didn’t fall off fully and a big knob of proud flesh grew down. Dirty looking yolk.

High bike · 04-02-2020 8:42pm

mr.stonewall wrote: »

Would it work well to band Fr bulls just turning 12mths. Still in house but hopefully start going out in the next 2-3 wks. Less risk of flies

why would u not just squeeze them instead and let em off to grass,have done it here many times at 12 mts and they never looked back

weatherbyfoxer · 04-02-2020 9:00pm

could you put the orange rubber bands on bought in month old calves or does it have to be done at a few days old?

Water John · 05-02-2020 1:16am

Banded yearlings twice. Thought it was a good job, no stress or setback. Would only do on animals at grass. Wouldn't burdizzo either indoors. A neighbour lost a couple on slats. Saw the swelling, had them treated by the vet, dead in forty eight hours.

Cavanjack · 08-02-2020 11:05pm

Any improvement in prices for the week ahead?

leoch · 11-02-2020 1:02pm

Still 3.75 base for heifers ....do all factories not pay the xtra 10cents (think its the china payment might be wrong or called something else)for heifers dead over 380 kgs ???

Robson99 · 11-02-2020 1:25pm

Heifers still 3.65 in some places

weatherbyfoxer · 11-02-2020 1:30pm

some plants offering a 20c angus bonus at the moment on bullocks and heifers on o= or better anyone with a few should try avail of it

DukeCaboom · 11-02-2020 1:41pm

330 r cows

weatherbyfoxer · 11-02-2020 2:36pm

Jjameson wrote: »

They have the grading machines well in tune. Plenty of O- guaranteed.

killed a few load now and got it on all of them..wont make u up but got paid 387c on aa x fr bullocks so could be worse bearing the current beef situation

weatherbyfoxer · 11-02-2020 3:16pm

Jjameson wrote: »

You done extraordinarily well. Which factory?

dawn

Bass Reeves · 11-02-2020 9:48pm

weatherbyfoxer wrote: »

killed a few load now and got it on all of them..wont make u up but got paid 387c on aa x fr bullocks so could be worse bearing the current beef situation

What was the base price.at 3.87 average less AA bond bring the price back to 3.67 which is the O- price with 20c QA on a base of 3.65

Water John · 22-02-2020 4:33pm

Heard that factories were trying to pull back price. Has anyone heard anything?

Cavanjack · 22-02-2020 8:48pm

Water John wrote: »

Heard that factories were trying to pull back price. Has anyone heard anything?

Got rid of a load of bulls during the week. Rang Monday and they were killed Tuesday. They seem keen for stock.

ruwithme · 22-02-2020 8:52pm

Would imagine like any purchaser there's always that line of thinking in them

Cavanjack · 22-02-2020 9:52pm

ruwithme wrote: »

Would imagine like any purchaser there's always that line of thinking in them

Yeah and they often drop the price when cattle are becoming scarce

Dozer1 · 22-02-2020 9:54pm

Quoted 3.65 for heifers in ABP but they'll do me a favour and take them any day next week.

:mad:

CHOPS01 · 25-02-2020 9:34pm

What's the punishment for dirty cattle going to factory. 2 lads here I might get away in the next week or 2 but they are fairly dirty

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