AMD Navi Discussion

K.O.Kiki · 02-10-2019 12:34pm

BIOS mods on RX 5700.
Could be interesting for owners of dual-BIOS cards (e.g. Sapphire Pulse).

K.O.Kiki · 07-10-2019 2:05pm

https://twitter.com/Radeon/status/1181192451844739073
AMD Radeon RX 5500

Looks to be OEM-only?

AlmightyCushion · 07-10-2019 2:19pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Radeon/status/1181192451844739073
AMD Radeon RX 5500

Looks to be OEM-only?

What makes you think it's OEM only?

K.O.Kiki · 07-10-2019 3:47pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

What makes you think it's OEM only?

From the AMD site, first line:

*GPU specifications and features may vary by OEM configuration. Please refer to OEM websites for shipping specifications.

In addition, the GPU is shown in front of a series of OEM PCs instead of on its own, and there's no price or store link.

AlmightyCushion · 07-10-2019 3:53pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

From the AMD site, first line:

In addition, the GPU is shown in front of a series of OEM PCs instead of on its own, and there's no price or store link.

Surely, they have to release a retail version at some stage.

cherryghost · 07-10-2019 4:14pm

With all of that said, however – and before we get to the specs and other technical matters – today’s announcement needs to be put in context, as today is not a retail video card launch. In fact, AMD isn’t even announcing exactly when retail cards will show up, beyond a vague Q4. Instead, today’s announcement is essentially about the OEM side of AMD’s product stack. With the holiday buying season already ramping up, AMD’s OEM partners need to announce their holiday system lineups now, and so AMD is announcing almost everything about the Radeon RX 5500 series now rather than having the OEMs steal AMD’s thunder.

So yeah, OEM currently only

Solitaire · 07-10-2019 6:55pm

Crapple bought up so much of TSMCs 7nm capacity for the next 18+ months that Intel is having a party, nVidia was forced to switch to Samsung for Ampere, and AMD are just royally ****ed. At best we might have a chance at a few non-reference RX5500XTs trickling on to some sites if AMD has bad RX5700 yield and can resurrect enough bad dies with hearty applications of laser death to them, but thanks to Crapple it looks like we're in for yet another godawful year for PC gamers who aren't loaded. I held off buying in case of Navi and now it looks like I'll be stuck with an RX570 anyway unless I want to double my total spend just for Navi or an nVidia equivalent and a new PSU to support an upper-mid range card I don't really need :mad:

cherryghost · 08-10-2019 2:56pm

Solitaire wrote: »

Crapple bought up so much of TSMCs 7nm capacity for the next 18+ months that Intel is having a party, nVidia was forced to switch to Samsung for Ampere, and AMD are just royally ****ed. At best we might have a chance at a few non-reference RX5500XTs trickling on to some sites if AMD has bad RX5700 yield and can resurrect enough bad dies with hearty applications of laser death to them, but thanks to Crapple it looks like we're in for yet another godawful year for PC gamers who aren't loaded. I held off buying in case of Navi and now it looks like I'll be stuck with an RX570 anyway unless I want to double my total spend just for Navi or an nVidia equivalent and a new PSU to support an upper-mid range card I don't really need :mad:

Adored seems to think otherwise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZAo7kMCFRg

Makes complete sense, AMDs server share has almost tripled since new Epyc launch and theres much more money to fetch here than the consumer market, and it seems 5500 could work off some of the binned 7nm chiplets too, making more use of the defect rate on the larger density wafers

Solitaire · 09-10-2019 6:06am

Um... Navi isn't chiplet-based. That's the 7nm CPUs. And given that big-chip 7nm isn't mature that's kinda the issue - the chiplets make the new Ryzen/Epyc even more modular than the historically more scalable GPUs which always suffer on a flaky node anyway. I'm not sure if the Apple thing is fake news or not (it might be true if Apple decided that switching focus back to Q4'19 was less risky than gambling on 5nm being an instant-win) but the GloFo fustercluck and the nVidia ship-jump are pretty fact-checked at this point.

At this point it looks like 5500 was going to be a thing until the market turned upside-down. Now it looks like AMD are being forced backward to 12nm in the consumer markets so they can keep their 7nm stock exclusively for enterprise and workstation/prosumer applications, and in that space they're getting so much more cash per wafer from CPU they'd be mad to keep pushing even la-la-land GPUs on a flaky node due to the comical yields. This means that all the consumer 5xx0 cards will dry up soon as the few GPUs available are already reserved for OEM use. It will take a while for the 5700s already sitting on shelves to be bought up but its little brother never made it to the shelves in time. From what I've seen of AMD's own promo material out yesterday they seem to have canned the 5500XT prior to launch and are talking about 5500 as if its only going to be in pre-built PCs and eventually laptops (Maybe. Perhaps.) so it may well end up rarer than hen's teeth for a big chunk of its lifespan.

cherryghost · 09-10-2019 2:51pm

Sorry, what I meant was the 7nm manufacturing is ongoing in same TSMC plant so I dont think Apples fabrication will get in the way based off theory in video. And the defective chips as specified in video could well be regular 5700s (and by extension 5500s)

Cuddlesworth · 09-10-2019 5:03pm

cherryghost wrote: »

Sorry, what I meant was the 7nm manufacturing is ongoing in same TSMC plant so I dont think Apples fabrication will get in the way based off theory in video. And the defective chips as specified in video could well be regular 5700s (and by extension 5500s)

I'd take adored with a grain of salt. He bases everything he says off of a basic online calculator for fab yields, throwing in guess work left, right and center.

Solitaire · 10-10-2019 8:24pm

Don't forget that this isn't an issue regarding GPU wafers that have already been finished, but rather the number of wafers that will be coming out of AMD over the next year or two and what will be on said wafers. Any 5xx0s out in the wild already are on the shelves; its the chance that we'll see those cards being restocked after the current ones are sold. If AMD are producing fewer 7nm devices than intended they'll be focusing on Epyc first and Navi dead last, and the consumer can go green or go home with an old RX570, because priorities.

Also, that vid is actually old - it came out after the GloFo bomb hit but before the Apple news came through. Back then we actually had some hope still remaining.

Subcomandante Marcos · 10-10-2019 8:42pm

Apple's current generation of Mobile CPUs are not on the same TSMC node. They're on 7nm+. Which is what zen 3 will use.

This whole story is stupid.

Solitaire · 10-10-2019 10:06pm

That node is directly based on and is replacing the current node. TSMC didn't go around saying exactly why 7nm+ is somehow holding up 7nm production but given that we know that TSMC 7nm+ is basically the same as their old node but re-tweaked and with EUV thrown in and is revving up to full production at breakneck speed and its not a crazy guess that TSMC are upgrading their existing node resulting in there simply being less capacity on the old one, as opposed to creating new fabs to run a radically new process and not having enough cashflow or interest to keep the old ones going once the new ones are up.

This whole story is stupid. But its still a thing and we seem to be stuck with it thanks to GloFo donuting themselves.

K.O.Kiki · 21-10-2019 10:11pm

LMAO Asus

Don't buy the TUF Gaming unless you're gonna slap a waterblock on it.

K.O.Kiki · 01-11-2019 12:33pm

Big-ups to XFX, they've acknowledged their mistakes with the THICC coolers and are fixing it.

THICC II rev. 2 & THICC III Ultra have actual VRAM cooling, and THICC II rev. 1 owners can request a free replacement cooler.

Jo Satan · 06-11-2019 5:06pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Big-ups to XFX, they've acknowledged their mistakes with the THICC coolers and are fixing it.

THICC II rev. 2 & THICC III Ultra have actual VRAM cooling, and THICC II rev. 1 owners can request a free replacement cooler.

I have the Thicc II, with an older Radeon driver 19.8.2 and the latest Bios it is stable.
It runs GPU 64c Edge 75c and Mem Temp 80c Fan 1800rpm when set to 2070/950Mhz @ 1050mV.
Settings and custom fan curve in Afterburner - Wattman was too unstable
I am happy with this.

I got onto XFX customer care to see what they had to say about a replacement card/shroud.

Their reply

"We are now waiting for our management's decision.

Once there is any updates, we will inform you immediately."

So they are dragging their heels which is a little dissapointing.

K.O.Kiki · 07-01-2020 12:32am

So, RX 5600 XT...

WTF even is this GPU?
Failed RX 5700s with gimped VRAM?

Unless benchmarks show it to be decent, AMD have just handed the GTX 1660 Super the entire €200-300 market.

BloodBath · 07-01-2020 6:54pm

Seems to be fairly on point if it is 20% faster on average. Especially if it over clocks well which it should do considering the low base clocks.

AMD's main issue is their drivers. I held off getting a 5700 because of driver issues which I assumed would have been sorted by now but no.

Still getting random lock ups with the latest drivers. I hear rolling back to a previous version works but I shouldn't have to and AMD shouldn't be releasing broken ass drivers.

They have the money now to pump into fixing these problems. There's no excuse for it.

wotzgoingon · 07-01-2020 8:57pm

I don't have any issues. Are you stock?

Homelander · 07-01-2020 9:13pm

I also had a 5700 and had to return it, crazy issues in the games I play. Some games were fine, others had stuttering, freezing, lock-ups.

Got a 2070S instead and smooth sailing since. I want to support AMD, but can't support the 5700 cards right now.

Cuddlesworth · 08-01-2020 10:42am

Homelander wrote: »

I also had a 5700 and had to return it, crazy issues in the games I play. Some games were fine, others had stuttering, freezing, lock-ups.

Got a 2070S instead and smooth sailing since. I want to support AMD, but can't support the 5700 cards right now.

Did you go from a Nvidia card to the 5700?

Homelander · 08-01-2020 10:44am

No, I had an RX580.

BloodBath · 08-01-2020 5:49pm

wotzgoingon wrote: »

I don't have any issues. Are you stock?

Stock yes. It's fine most of the time. It seems to be the radeon 2020 software that causes most of the issues. Still waiting on an update.

K.O.Kiki · 10-01-2020 12:22pm

Confirmed real.

z0oT · 10-01-2020 1:40pm

BloodBath wrote: »

Seems to be fairly on point if it is 20% faster on average. Especially if it over clocks well which it should do considering the low base clocks.

AMD's main issue is their drivers. I held off getting a 5700 because of driver issues which I assumed would have been sorted by now but no.

Still getting random lock ups with the latest drivers. I hear rolling back to a previous version works but I shouldn't have to and AMD shouldn't be releasing broken ass drivers.

They have the money now to pump into fixing these problems. There's no excuse for it.

Homelander wrote: »

I also had a 5700 and had to return it, crazy issues in the games I play. Some games were fine, others had stuttering, freezing, lock-ups.

Got a 2070S instead and smooth sailing since. I want to support AMD, but can't support the 5700 cards right now.

I've had a pretty good experience with the 5700 XT thus far, always running the latest driver. All of the games I've played since getting it have ran very well.

Mind you, in the beginning I did get BSODs surfing the net unless I disabled hardware acceleration in the browser which was a pretty bad & unacceptable problem. That's been fixed since 19.10.1 (I think) though.

I have to say I find the Radeon Settings application much better than Geforce Experience, the main advantage being that there's no forced account login rubbish like Nvidia push upon you. The in built montoring of temperatures & framerates/times works well too. I don't believe Geforce Experience has that unless it's changed since.

BloodBath · 10-01-2020 7:32pm

There are lot's of people that still have issues. Maybe it's particular models of cards and bios issues on those cards causing issues. Some are saying it's version of windows 10 causing the problem too and an optional update fixes their problems.

There's so many variables it's hard to narrow down what is causing it but it is a problem for many still. For me it's the latest radeon software causing crashes. If I keep it disabled I don't get the lock ups. It's a shame because it is great software. Far superior to Nvidias in terms of options and UI. But Nvidias works at least.

AMD even acknowledged they are aware of the issue and are working to fix it.

yoshiktk · 10-01-2020 8:31pm

BloodBath wrote: »

There are lot's of people that still have issues. Maybe it's particular models of cards and bios issues on those cards causing issues. Some are saying it's version of windows 10 causing the problem too and an optional update fixes their problems.

There's so many variables it's hard to narrow down what is causing it but it is a problem for many still. For me it's the latest radeon software causing crashes. If I keep it disabled I don't get the lock ups. It's a shame because it is great software. Far superior to Nvidias in terms of options and UI. But Nvidias works at least.

AMD even acknowledged they are aware of the issue and are working to fix it.

To be honest I was to lazy to check the old version but the newest Radeon Software in some games just randomly crash. Shame as it leaves bad aftertaste from a great gpu.
Tomorrow I plan to do a "clean" install of Windows 10, Ill try first older version of AMD software.
Still I count it as a good purchase. At least i'm happy that i didnt go with Strix version

Edit:
Just installed Adrenalin 2020 Edition 20.1.1. So far so good, BF5 stopped crashing randomly.

Kimbot · 11-01-2020 2:04pm

I only use recommended drivers in the radeon software for the 5700xt and zero issues so far

Cuddlesworth · 13-01-2020 3:11pm

Kimbot wrote: »

I only use recommended drivers in the radeon software for the 5700xt and zero issues so far

I was curious after it was mentioned here, it seems to be a 5700(and VII) issue where some games, mainly DX9 or older titles, have the card downclocking itself into its desktop mode. Most people can stop it through increasing the stress on the card, mostly by using that resolution scaling thing(where it increases it).

yoshiktk · 13-01-2020 3:18pm

Kimbot wrote: »

I only use recommended drivers in the radeon software for the 5700xt and zero issues so far

Happy You. Went with clean install of Win, to big mess to clean it by hand.
I was happy panda only for 30 mins, after that BFV like before crashed the display driver, so now I'm back to a draving board. All the other games which I've tried work fine, just BF have mood swings like a roller coaster.

KilOit · 14-01-2020 11:12am

Sold my gtx 1080, kinda regretting it but is a 5700xt worth getting. Reason I sold is I had a notion of getting a amd card to go with ryzen cpu. Nvidia has always been great for me, never any issues. Don't think my asus gtx 1080 ever crashed or had any hiccups, reading a lot of reports lately that Amd just doesn't cut it on the gpu level like their cpu's. Am I stupid to sell a perfect gtx1080 for 5700xt?

K.O.Kiki · 14-01-2020 12:43pm

KilOit wrote: »

Sold my gtx 1080, kinda regretting it but is a 5700xt worth getting. Reason I sold is I had a notion of getting a amd card to go with ryzen cpu. Nvidia has always been great for me, never any issues. Don't think my asus gtx 1080 ever crashed or had any hiccups, reading a lot of reports lately that Amd just doesn't cut it on the gpu level like their cpu's. Am I stupid to sell a perfect gtx1080 for 5700xt?

Eh you might be fine, remember on the internet you mostly only hear from people who are having issues OR want to evangelize their purchasing decision :pac:

The RTX 2060 Super / 2070 Super would also provide an uplift over 1080 - however the RX5700XT's strength is that it is 2070-level power for a lower price point.

K.O.Kiki · 14-01-2020 3:59pm

K.O.Kiki · 14-01-2020 6:20pm

https://twitter.com/KOMACHI_ENSAKA/status/1217089685207441409

Big Navi inbound?

Anima · 14-01-2020 8:39pm

Any idea when that might be announced? Won't mean much if their drivers are still ****e.

wotzgoingon · 14-01-2020 9:05pm

Anima wrote: »

Any idea when that might be announced? Won't mean much if their drivers are still ****e.

Their drivers don't effect everyone. I have no such issues but then again I'm not playing many different games. Just a few.

Anima · 14-01-2020 9:20pm

Yeah true. It's not a roulette wheel I want to be playing after spending 400+ euro though.

wotzgoingon · 16-01-2020 10:39pm

OSI wrote: »

Started off with a positive experience of my 5700 XT but it’s starting to unravel quickly. Frame drops in AAA games are a frequent issue over the last few days, now starting to get the issue of black screen on the start up of some games.

What games are you playing?

BloodBath · 16-01-2020 10:40pm

An updated driver came out yesterday. Going to try it now.

wotzgoingon · 16-01-2020 10:59pm

OSI wrote: »

Jedi Fallen Order:
Persistent frame drop, could nearly set your clock to it. Frequent black screen on start up requiring a quit and restart. Just had an issue there where the card just hard downclocked to 90MHz mid game.

Red Dead Redemption:
Just pure poor performance. That and the well known graphical glitches on AMD.

The Witcher 3:
Literally get worse performance than my GTX 970s

GTA5:
Same as above

The Outer Worlds:
Frequent frame drops. Getting significantly poorer performance than I've seen testers getting in the same game, with same settings and hardware.

I play GTA V regularly at 4k 60Hz and have no issues. I also have the Witcher 3 but haven't played it on PC as I also have it on console. I might fire it up sometime just to see. I don't own the others so I will not be able to see if I have any issues.

wotzgoingon · 16-01-2020 11:39pm

I just played the Beginning of The Witcher 3 and got to the first Inn area and galloped around the place watching FPS 50-60Hz at 4k Ultra, Hair works off.

yoshiktk · 17-01-2020 1:37am

OSI wrote: »

Did a DDU and install of latest drivers. First launch of JFO, card pegged at 100Mhz. Second launch, black screen. Third launch, loaded played at an average of 120FPS but frequent FPS dips. Checked Windows Event Log and it’s a litany of display driver crashes. Card RMA submitted.

Yeap, thats the sad story of 5700. For some works great, for some its a never ending story of driver crash. I'm torn between giving it another round or replace it with 2060s.
Shame that once again AMD launch something which is on one side like 4 star restautant with cheap chipper service

BloodBath · 17-01-2020 1:40am

Try installing optional windows 10 updates. I hear for some there is something missing there that causes issues without the update.

I have until the end of the month to RMA. On the fence atm.

K.O.Kiki · 17-01-2020 2:05am

OSI wrote: »

Jedi Fallen Order:
Persistent frame drop, could nearly set your clock to it. Frequent black screen on start up requiring a quit and restart. Just had an issue there where the card just hard downclocked to 90MHz mid game.

Red Dead Redemption:
Just pure poor performance. That and the well known graphical glitches on AMD.

The Witcher 3:
Literally get worse performance than my GTX 970s

GTA5:
Same as above

The Outer Worlds:
Frequent frame drops. Getting significantly poorer performance than I've seen testers getting in the same game, with same settings and hardware.

RDR2 is very unoptimized in general, look up some guides for that game.

K.O.Kiki · 21-01-2020 3:28pm

RX 5600 XT reviews are out.

wotzgoingon · 21-01-2020 10:11pm

The new 5600 XT looks good. From Gamers Nexus review it performs above the 1660 cards.

Homelander · 21-01-2020 11:00pm

Yeah looks good. I wonder is it affected by driver issues though. I know some people act like they are overblown but from someone who had a 5700 and found it a disaster, I would be cautious when it is the same price as the RTX2060. It's a bit faster, but that means little if you're having big issues with some games.

Venom · 21-01-2020 11:21pm

Homelander wrote: »

Yeah looks good. I wonder is it affected by driver issues though. I know some people act like they are overblown but from someone who had a 5700 and found it a disaster, I would be cautious when it is the same price as the RTX2060. It's a bit faster, but that means little if you're having big issues with some games.

It seems AMD up the specs via a Bios patch at the very last minute and its been a bit of a shambles.

BloodBath · 28-01-2020 7:48pm

Looks like I need to roll back the drivers.

There's been 2 more updates since which reintroduced the bugs and driver crashes I was getting before.

It seems to be an issue with the software rather than the driver though as when I disable the radeon 2020 software I don't get the crashes.

Well done AMD. 1 step forward, 2 back.

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