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TerrorFirmer · 10-02-2019 12:50pm

It's really the fact that for the same price, Nvidia offers ray tracing, whether you want it or not, as well as more consistent performance and lower power draw. Whether those things matter to you on an individual basis is kinda irrelevant, it's just a factual thing, and the core performance is still superior.

The Vega is also more expensive than the cheapest RTX at this point in most retailers even at RRP, which is £649; OCUK has RTX2080's for £639.

I mean there is a certain irony in saying that RTX will amount to nothing in this generation, but then saying that 'its pretty likely' that Vega performance will improve, when we really don't know how well, or quickly, that will happen. (even though I agree on RTX, the point being that it's not great to have to lean on ifs, buts, and maybes when talking about a £649 card)

All we know is that right now at this moment, even putting ray tracing and other superior attributes aside, the 2080 offers more consistent performance across the board at the same price.

Now, in favor of Vega 7, the huge advantage it has over the 2080 is the 16GB memory. It wouldn't be unreasonable to think that anyone purchasing either card in 2019 would intend keeping it for a few years, and games already can use well above 8GB vram at high/ultra settings on occassion right now.

It's why I think the RTX2060 is an utter joke of a card at it's price point with just 6GB vram and I'd still prefer the 1070Ti or even 1070 over it.

Inviere · 10-02-2019 3:00pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Its over priced right now, probably will be for a while because of low volume and a niche set of customers.

If it sold around RRP, it would be 10% less then the 2080 for 5-6% less performance and yes I am aware there are swings in performance. Its pretty likely that in the next year with driver updates and dx12 games added to performance tests, it will close that gap.

People who say it has less features should probably take a look at all those RTX games in use 6 months later. By the time dedicated cores become a thing, the 1st gen RTX cards will be on scrap heaps.

I still feel I’d suck up that 10% (€60/€70) and buy a 2080, over a Vega VII, not because I’m a rabid Nvidia fan, or because I’ve swallowed the ray tracing pitch hook line and sinker...but because for that 10%, I’d be getting far more of a known quantity, and a slightly more powerful, quieter, and less power intensive card.

I’m completely sold on Ryzen, and I want to be sold on Vega VII, but I think the VII needed to be priced where the 2070 is at, but offering 2080 performance...that probably would have sold me on it.

JokerPower · 10-02-2019 3:48pm

Hi guys

This may be lame, but where do you buy pc components in Dublin?

Any suggestions on cheap online shops?

I've been ordering from Elara, but wondering if there is better options..

Thanks

awec · 10-02-2019 7:34pm

JokerPower wrote: »

Hi guys

This may be lame, but where do you buy pc components in Dublin?

Any suggestions on cheap online shops?

I've been ordering from Elara, but wondering if there is better options..

Thanks

Komplett is the only irish site I bother with. Used to be a lot better but still pretty good. The only real annoyance is sometimes they can take a few days to dispatch an order, but I guess Amazon have spoiled us a bit with their speed.

The rest are either over priced or have stupid (or expensive) shipping.

Other than that:

Scan.co.uk is good
Overclockers is good
Amazon obviously

wotzgoingon · 10-02-2019 7:56pm

Komplett is not even a Irish company and AFAIK they used to have a Irish location but have since moved to another country.

awec · 10-02-2019 8:02pm

wotzgoingon wrote: »

Komplett is not even a Irish company and AFAIK they used to have a Irish location but have since moved to another country.

Yea I was going to say they ship from mainland europe but wasn't sure if that's the case for everything. Certainly any time I've ordered from them it has come from outside Ireland.

They definitely used to have an irish location cause you used to be able to go collect stuff from their warehouse.

EoinHef · 10-02-2019 10:24pm

Have to say,not impressed with the NZXT H500 case. If your not gonna use negative pressure in the case GPU thermals are awful.

Givin ive a H100i to fit in theres no way to avoid pulling air from the front,which seems to totally mess up the design the case has for airflow. I didnt think it would be as bad as it is though.

After changing around the flow and using different fans etc ive pretty much run out of options. Last thing i might try is re apply TIM to the the gpu but givin the temps im getting it will probably only be a marginal improvement. Considering it just in case the gpu cooler had some sort of movement when tarnsferring it but im pretty sure its solid.

Probably be a near new H500 on adverts next week:P

farna_boy · 11-02-2019 1:44pm

The upgrade itch is back at me again.

I am currently running an i5 6500 with 8GB 2666MHz RAM and a Vega 64 and I'm trying to figure out what to upgrade next.

Would an i7 6700k or i7 7700k be worth upgrading to?

Looking at reviews, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot between them but I guess newer would be (slightly) better?

Or would more RAM have a more significant effect?

Any suggestions?

JokerPower · 11-02-2019 3:43pm

awec wrote: »

Komplett is the only irish site I bother with. Used to be a lot better but still pretty good. The only real annoyance is sometimes they can take a few days to dispatch an order, but I guess Amazon have spoiled us a bit with their speed.

The rest are either over priced or have stupid (or expensive) shipping.

Other than that:

Scan.co.uk is good
Overclockers is good
Amazon obviously

Thanks for answer. So there is no good local shops? Komplett is from UK if that's correct

JokerPower · 11-02-2019 3:48pm

farna_boy wrote: »

The upgrade itch is back at me again.

I am currently running an i5 6500 with 8GB 2666MHz RAM and a Vega 64 and I'm trying to figure out what to upgrade next.

Would an i7 6700k or i7 7700k be worth upgrading to?

Looking at reviews, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot between them but I guess newer would be (slightly) better?

Or would more RAM have a more significant effect?

Any suggestions?

I have upgraded from 7600K to 7700K for gaming and basic stuff. What can I say? It's worth it. Your framerate will be more stable, and you can run more tasks simultaneously. I'm not saying that 6600k/7600K are not good. It depends on game/application.

Sell your 6600K and get 7700K with additional 8 GB RAM. This processor will last you much longer than 6600K, and you don't have to buy new MOBO etc.

farna_boy · 11-02-2019 4:08pm

OSI wrote: »

What are you doing with it?

Just gaming really. It's still performing well at that but like I said, i just have a bit of an itch

K.O.Kiki · 11-02-2019 4:20pm

The 7700K has worse thermals than the 6700K, essentially necessitating a delid.

farna_boy · 11-02-2019 4:24pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

The 7700K has worse thermals than the 6700K, essentially necessitating a delid.

Even with an AIO cooler or high end air cooler?

I get the feeling the last thing I need in my case is more heat.

Inviere · 11-02-2019 4:51pm

farna_boy wrote: »

Even with an AIO cooler or high end air cooler?

I get the feeling the last thing I need in my case is more heat.

Mine sits comfy at ~25ish C @ idle, never found it particularly on the hot side at all (and that's sitting in an mitx build, inside a Core V1). It's cooled by a 130mm AIO.I know that's an idle temp, and measured by CAM, but the BIOS reports the same with a 1-2c variance.

I'd like to delid it and give it the liquid metal treatment, I'm just not confident enough in my abilities to do it right

TerrorFirmer · 11-02-2019 5:18pm

The 7700K runs a lot hotter than the 6700K and there isn't much between them. I'd just get whichever is cheaper though 2nd hand ultimately.

Huge upgrade on an i5-6500 for games. Could also replace the ram with 2x8GB 3000Mhz.

You could sell your CPU/Board/RAM and pick up a Ryzen 2600X/B450M/16GB 3000Mhz, also an excellent upgrade and reasonably priced.

You would get a Ryzen 2600X + B450M new for similar to the cost of a 2nd hand i7-6700 or 7700 K.

Inviere · 11-02-2019 5:27pm

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

The 7700K runs a lot hotter than the 6700K and there isn't much between them.

What's the best way of measuring temps under load/gaming?

Luck100 · 11-02-2019 5:47pm

Inviere wrote: »

What's the best way of measuring temps under load/gaming?

Best and most complete sensor readings:
https://www.hwinfo.com/

Or use MSI Afterburner if you just want an overlay you can see while gaming.

.G. · 11-02-2019 10:02pm

Having some more trouble with my lads PC, wondering what you all think. After the intermittent HD issues I posted about a while back that kind of just went away, its now having power issues. He can play for hours, shut it down and when he goes back to it it won't switch on. Usually killing power to it altogether at the wall socket for a while does the trick and it starts up again after a while. Its now started doing it from cold too, hasn't used it at all today and it wouldn't switch on. It started eventually but took a while of leaving it be. I'm thinking if it was the PSU it would never start so along with the previous HD issues I think the mobo might be on the way out.

Any ideas how to nail the fault down or ideas as to the most likely cause? Intermittent issues are a pain in the hoop to figure out. Its a few years old at this stage, an MSI z97s Krait mobo with a seasonic gold psu and a i5-4440 onboard.

TerrorFirmer · 12-02-2019 1:07am

Sounds more like a PSU issue, do you've a spare?

awec · 12-02-2019 11:24am

Do the PSU fans spin?

farna_boy · 12-02-2019 11:41am

Had a similar problem a few years ago. Tried replacing the PSU and that seemed to work for a while but it eventually returned. Finally narrowed it down to a loose wire/bad connector.

Might be worth check each connector is plugged in correctly first and checking that all the wire going into each connector aren't loose .

ED E · 12-02-2019 5:23pm

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

We can say that it's broadly 10% slower or whatever but that doesn't tell a proper story (from a gaming POV), as in some titles it's extremely close while others it's significantly behind, and as always, at the cost of using more power and generating more heat. There is a major lack of consistency head-to-head with the 2080/1080ti.

The cheapest VIII is £649, there are 2080's for £639 now. As a gaming card it doesn't really make any case for itself. RTX has more grunt, uses less power, has RTX novelty, and far more consistent, reliable performance across the board.

Obviously for other non-gaming tasks it has significant benefits, and I understand that it was never built with the intent of seizing any gaming performance crown....But I think some people were expecting more, though arguably it wasn't that realistic an expectation.

No UEFI support. Amateur stuff here from AMD. I say that as a fan. Shame.

.G. · 12-02-2019 6:42pm

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Sounds more like a PSU issue, do you've a spare?

Only the one that's in my own PC. Maybe If I swap his for mine for a while and see what happens. Not sure his is big enough for my system though, can't remember the wattage. My system is a 6700k and a 1080. His is a 4440 and a 970. His is semi modular too and mine is fully modular so it'll mean rebuilding both. Don't want to mess up my own system either though!

awec wrote: »

Do the PSU fans spin?

Its one of those that doesn't spin until it needs to but the pc always starts eventually and then runs fine, it just can be cranky about when it starts.

farna_boy wrote: »

Had a similar problem a few years ago. Tried replacing the PSU and that seemed to work for a while but it eventually returned. Finally narrowed it down to a loose wire/bad connector.

Might be worth check each connector is plugged in correctly first and checking that all the wire going into each connector aren't loose .

I plan on stripping it completely and re building it as a first course of action. I'll check all the connectors and cabling when I do.

Thanks folks.

EoinHef · 12-02-2019 11:07pm

Saw something very similar last year,be fine when it started but sometimes had to be left for 24hrs to get it to start.

Corsair PSU was the culprit

.G. · 16-02-2019 7:55pm

Took it apart today as it won't start at all now. Did the paperclip test and tested for voltage out of the pins on the 24 pin connector and I've got nothing on any of them bar one 5v one. Bought in 2015 with a 5 year warranty so time for RMA!

farna_boy · 18-02-2019 11:31am

Does anyone know if using single rank RAM instead of dual rank makes much of a difference?

Everything I have read so far seems to say dual rank gives better bandwidth but single rank give better timings and higher frequencies.

Does that mean that there is no real difference as the above effects just cancel each other out?

Xenoronin · 18-02-2019 12:26pm

farna_boy wrote: »

Does anyone know if using single rank RAM instead of dual rank makes much of a difference?

Everything I have read so far seems to say dual rank gives better bandwidth but single rank give better timings and higher frequencies.

Does that mean that there is no real difference as the above effects just cancel each other out?

In general, dual rank is superior, but it does depend on your setup. Ryzen loves the extra bandwidth and so a massive difference is seen (or at least I recall from memory). Intel wasn't too fussed around the skylake timeframe, but I'm not sure about the new chips.

I think, and I'm thinking out loud here, that the better timings and higher frequencies can be attributed to overclocking a single stick, rather than trying to keep two in sync.

Edit: My mistake

A quick google seems to suggest that it doesn't really make that much of a difference. You know enthusiasts. They'd be all over this if it actually mattered. I saw one comment saying that server people prefer dual ranked, because something about interleaving.

wotzgoingon · 18-02-2019 3:47pm

Xenoronin wrote: »

I think, and I'm thinking out loud here, that the better timings and higher frequencies can be attributed to overclocking a single stick, rather than trying to keep two in sync.

Your mixing up channel and rank. Single rank and dual rank are different they are referring to how many chips are installed on each RAM stick.

Cuddlesworth · 18-02-2019 11:20pm

ED E wrote: »

No UEFI support. Amateur stuff here from AMD. I say that as a fan. Shame.

Looks like it was a mistake, UEFI is on newer cards and a bios update is available.

ED E · 18-02-2019 11:56pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Looks like it was a mistake, UEFI is on newer cards and a bios update is available.

Thank christ.

Shlippery · 20-02-2019 1:59pm

Just went from 60hz IPS (no sync) to 144hz IPS (freesync (gsync) ).

Nearly fell over with the difference. I'd sat the difference is moreso 60 - > 144hz
(can't really tell if the freesync made any impact)

Buttery smooooth.

20-02-2019 5:30pm

Anyone here play on a 32" Monitor? Thinking of upgrading from 27". 1440p btw.

K.O.Kiki · 20-02-2019 6:13pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone here play on a 32" Monitor? Thinking of upgrading from 27". 1440p btw.

I'm on 27" 1440p and tbh it feels nearly too big already.

https://stari.co/tv-monitor-viewing-distance-calculator

You'd want to be sitting AT LEAST half a meter from the screen at that size.

TitianGerm · 20-02-2019 10:19pm

Has anyone gotten any of the Cable Mod cables? Was thinking of getting a set for my PC.

20-02-2019 10:43pm

TitianGerm wrote: »

Has anyone gotten any of the Cable Mod cables? Was thinking of getting a set for my PC.

I use Skakmods. Very good quality and cheaper than Cablemod.

TitianGerm · 20-02-2019 10:46pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I use Skakmods. Very good quality and cheaper than Cablemod.

Is it a full cable you get or just an extra part that clips to your current cable?

20-02-2019 10:57pm

They do different one's. I have the extensions.

TitianGerm · 20-02-2019 11:00pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They do different one's. I have the extensions.

Great thanks. I'll have a look at those then.

Cuddlesworth · 21-02-2019 11:22am

OSI wrote: »

If you have a 27" already, my suggestion for a step up would be a 32" ultrawide.

34" ultrawide 3840*1440p is a exact vertical height match to a 27" 1440p, helps with dual screen if you have space.

21-02-2019 11:22am

OSI wrote: »

If you have a 27" already, my suggestion for a step up would be a 32" ultrawide.

Don't think you can get a 32" Ultrawide. Had a 35" on my list but it's just too expensive.
Think I'll stick with the 27" until it decides to die on me. Good few years hopefully.

21-02-2019 2:41pm

Just purchased a Phanteks P600S case. Meshify C up for sale shortly if anyone is after one at a good price.

K.O.Kiki · 22-02-2019 2:16pm

Those Vega 56 Pulse at €328 are soooo tempting.
It's not a true upgrade from my 980 Ti watercooled, but it would give me FreeSync.

Waiting for Navi is so hard

Cuddlesworth · 22-02-2019 3:27pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Those Vega 56 Pulse at €328 are soooo tempting.
It's not a true upgrade from my 980 Ti watercooled, but it would give me FreeSync.

Waiting for Navi is so hard

They are going have to come to come down to sub 300 because of the 1160ti.

K.O.Kiki · 22-02-2019 3:54pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

They are going have to come to come down to sub 300 because of the 1160ti.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3445-evga-gtx-1660-ti-xc-review-benchmark

GTX 1660 Ti beaten by Vega 56, even when the Nvidia card is overclocked.

TerrorFirmer · 22-02-2019 4:03pm

And Nvidia can **** off with their practice of deliberately hamstringing the longevity of cards with the VRAM.

I would take Vega 56 over that card easily.

Inviere · 22-02-2019 4:17pm

Couple of off topic questions guys:

1) is there any disadvantage/concerns/drawbacks to using a really long HDMI cable, like 7 meters or so?

2) would an Nvidia Shield have any issues powering x2 external portable 4TB hdd’s?

3) is it feasible/possible to set up a Windows 10 user account that auto-starts Kodi and has no access to anything else on the pc except the local media it needs?

4) has anyone any recommendations for a hdmi switcher that’ll handle an Xbox One X, a Firestick, a PC, and a digital tv receiver? Ideally one that’d support 4k60 and HDR so it’s futureproofed.

Many thanks for any info

K.O.Kiki · 22-02-2019 4:18pm

To paraphrase Steve from GN:

The 1660 Ti is a GTX 1070 with less VRAM & lower power consumption, and a lower launch price.

My take:

Get a Vega 56 non-blower.

jebidiah · 23-02-2019 12:18pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

To paraphrase Steve from GN:

The 1660 Ti is a GTX 1070 with less VRAM & lower power consumption, and a lower launch price.

My take:

Get a Vega 56 non-blower.

What about a 2060? It's not much more expensive or is that just MSRP?

jebidiah · 23-02-2019 12:40pm

Double post. Sorry.

I have 8 GB of Corsair DDR 4 at the moment two 4 GB sticks. Should I get two more to go to 16 GB or should I get 2x8 and sell my current sticks?
CPU is a Ryzen 5 1600, gigabyte mobo

TerrorFirmer · 23-02-2019 12:41pm

Problem for me with the 2060 is the same - just 6GB VRAM. Deliberately cripples the cards. This is a ****ty tactic Nvidia have introduced relatively recently to artificially separate performance classes.

Imagine the GTX970 was a 2GB card in 2014.....pretty much what Nvidia are doing now.

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