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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,618 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    I really feel that the sensible people of Ireland are being betrayed by those who are refusing to scale back their drinking for just a few weekends for the sake of the elderly and vulnerable in society.

    Our vets office were operating a policy to distance customers from each other which in a wet cold afternoon was difficult. And then see these morons out being stupid made me mad.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,259 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    _Brian wrote: »
    I really feel that the sensible people of Ireland are being betrayed by those who are refusing to scale back their drinking for just a few weekends for the sake of the elderly and vulnerable in society.

    Our vets office were operating a policy to distance customers from each other which in a wet cold afternoon was difficult. And then see these morons out being stupid made me mad.

    The worse part you couldn't even name and shame-theyd probably glory in it


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,902 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Great article here on how social distancing (i.e. shutdown) can defeat the virus. The faster the shutdown and the more extensive, the less damage now and quicker return to normality in time

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Italians over 80 will be left die as country overwhelmed by Coronavirus.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/14/italians-80-will-left-die-country-overwhelmed-coronavirus/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    This is a frightening development, theres a good few reports of reinfection after being diagnosed as clear.

    https://twitter.com/willripleyCNN/status/1238998307252269058?s=19


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭Western Pomise


    Hope they will but if this ‘lockdown’ is announced will Farm Supply stores nationwide be allowed stay open?

    Animals will still need nuts and feed,especially with the crappy wet weather we are experiencing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,768 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    This is a frightening development, theres a good few reports of reinfection after being diagnosed as clear.

    Not to alarm people but that would tie in to a loose link to HIV.
    That was suggested early on by the Indian experts as a reason to suggest that it was a manufactured virus. They had to redact that. But it looks like the fact remains.
    Ebola was loosely linked to HIV too and it looks like drugs that treat HIV may have an effect on Covid 19.
    The side effects of this may be reduced fertility in people even though they might never show any effects or symptoms from contracting the virus.

    It looks like HIV, Ebola and Covid 19 are all the one family.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Suckler



    It looks like HIV, Ebola and Covid 19 are all the one family.

    You should stop this bull now. You are no more qualified to be making these statements, in fact appear to be wallowing in the current pandemic. You see and hear the amount of illogical and frankly made up nonsense on social media and wonder where it originates....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,768 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Suckler wrote: »
    You should stop this bull now. You are no more qualified to be making these statements, in fact appear to be wallowing in it. You see and hear the amount of illogical and frankly made up nonsense on social media and wonder where it originates....

    All you have to do yourself is look.
    I'm not making it up.

    Maybe search for yourself before going on the attack.
    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid19-repurposed-treatments-drugs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Not to alarm people but that would tie in to a loose link to HIV.
    That was suggested early on by the Indian experts as a reason to suggest that it was a manufactured virus. They had to redact that. But it looks like the fact remains.
    Ebola was loosely linked to HIV too and it looks like drugs that treat HIV may have an effect on Covid 19.
    The side effects of this may be reduced fertility in people even though they might never show any effects or symptoms from contracting the virus.

    It looks like HIV, Ebola and Covid 19 are all the one family.

    A large amount of viruses go through latent (hiding) periods where they're not active and just waiting for their chance to reactivate. There's nothing unusual about that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,833 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Suckler wrote: »
    You should stop this bull now. You are no more qualified to be making these statements, in fact appear to be wallowing in the current pandemic. You see and hear the amount of illogical and frankly made up nonsense on social media and wonder where it originates....

    Just block him. Everyone has enough stuff going on .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,768 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Everyone read the link to the scientific report i linked of the effectiveness of the drugs that are used to treat HIV and Ebola and are being trialled on Covid 19.

    Ye can't say that it's not the first time ye heard that link between those RNA viruses mentioned before now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    No, there not the, one family, MERS and SARS are similar to Covid 19.
    There are also all viruses.
    You wouldn't say Samomella and E-Coli are the same family. They just happen to both be bacteria.
    Of course one looks at drugs that treat one virus to see would that antiviral work against another virus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,618 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    This is a frightening development, theres a good few reports of reinfection after being diagnosed as clear.

    https://twitter.com/willripleyCNN/status/1238998307252269058?s=19

    Maybe a false negative?
    The lady in Japan who was thought to have gotten reinfected was subsequently said to have had a false negative test but in fact was infected the whole time.

    Like pregnancy test, false negative is possible but not false positive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,768 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Water John wrote: »
    No, there not the, one family, MERS and SARS are similar to Covid 19.
    There are also all viruses.
    You wouldn't say Samomella and E-Coli are the same family. They just happen to both be bacteria.
    Of course one looks at drugs that treat one virus to see would that antiviral work against another virus.

    I'm not debating because there's no one qualified to comment on it.
    And does it really matter if there's a link between Ebola, HIV and covid?
    It doesn't matter a damn. But it does matter that drugs that were designed to treat ebola and hiv are looking to have success against covid.
    Perhaps if the world had of took covid as seriously as they take Ebola and HIV then we wouldn't be in this mess now.
    The western world and their cockiness that it could never happen allowed this to spread. If people cop on and treat it like Ebola then there might be a slim chance.
    But reality says it's widespread by now.

    And I'll say it once again Ebola requires selenium. If it doesn't get it it takes it from the body and then it moves on to the next body. The best chance you have is ensuring your diet is full of it.
    The countries that are low in soil selenium are the countries worst affected by covid.
    Luckily we're in a country with moderate levels. But then it comes down to that individuals diet. It's the same as plant nutrition in regenerative agriculture. If that plant is properly fed. A virus won't have as much or no affect on that plant.

    Ah look for God's sake this is all elsewhere allready on the net. Personal responsibility comes into to help yourselves and do yere own research.

    Don't bother anyone responding to this as I won't be responding back.
    This was after all supposed to be an informative thread with no chit chat. But that was quickly ignored.
    And it wasn't me started the chit chat there's a good few here did that. * ( points fingers).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,913 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    .....

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Trump showing his class, trying to secure possible vaccine by German Co exclusively for the US.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/15/trump-offers-large-sums-for-exclusive-access-to-coronavirus-vaccine


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,768 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Germany will close it's borders with France, Switzerland and Austria tomorrow. Open only to goods and workers.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-germany-update-news-borders-closed-panic-buying-stockpiling-a9403061.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Suckler


    All you have to do yourself is look.
    I'm not making it up.
    Maybe search for yourself before going on the attack.
    You are making it up though. You’ve read a miniscule amount and decided that quite clearly – “HIV, Ebola and Covid 19 are all the one family”
    Should I treat someone with HIV/Aids in the same manner as C19?! Refuse handshake / mask on / request they isolate??
    Remarks like yours fan flames.
    I'm not debating because there's no one qualified to comment on it.
    You're not debating it because your comments on it have been shown to be patently wrong and downright dangerous. Then you have the neck to say there's no one qualified to comment on it??? :rolleyes:
    And does it really matter if there's a link between Ebola, HIV and covid?
    It doesn't matter a damn. But it does matter that drugs that were designed to treat ebola and hiv are looking to have success against covid

    It matters a lot. People read b0llox like that and get extremely demanding that HIV drugs be funnelled away from HIV patients putting other vulnerable people at risk.
    And the key words you use are “looking like”; there are still Ebola treatments that aren’t fully verified as being successful as the research and viral mutations are continuous.
    Perhaps if the world had of took covid as seriously as they take Ebola and HIV then we wouldn't be in this mess now..
    Taken seriously??? You mustn't have been around when aids victims were seen as homosexual deviants and/or junkies and deserved nothing but contempt. It was a homosexual problem and quick fire, uneducated pub talk and rumour such as yours generated scaremongering and labels quite quickly. Celebrities actively hid that they were dying a horrible death rather become unemployed and pariahs overnight.
    Ebola was seen as an African problem.
    The western world and their cockiness that it could never happen allowed this to spread. If people cop on and treat it like Ebola then there might be a slim chance.
    But reality says it's widespread by now.
    You seem to be revelling in this “everyone will get it eventually”. Completely unfounded but you’re teeing yourself up for a one man “I told you so”. A stopped clock springs to mind.
    I agreewith you people should have an still need to cop on. Shockingly stupid to see the amount still in pubs and bigger house parties are the latest I’m hearing about.
    And I'll say it once again Ebola requires selenium. If it doesn't get it it takes it from the body and then it moves on to the next body. The best chance you have is ensuring your diet is full of it.
    The countries that are low in soil selenium are the countries worst affected by covid.
    Luckily we're in a country with moderate levels. But then it comes down to that individuals diet. It's the same as plant nutrition in regenerative agriculture. If that plant is properly fed. A virus won't have as much or no affect on that plant. ..
    Patently over simplified. Selenium can help overall as part of your entire immune sytem but won’t prevent it’s uptake. Selenium soil levels/areas with high selenium are still seeing surges. Again your statement on “ensuring your diet is full of it” is nothing short of irresponsible. Dietary supplemental overdose is an issue, one that can cause illness. In a pandemic your irresponsibile statements can cause people to be a further burden on a health system under pressure.
    Ah look for God's sake this is all elsewhere allready on the net. Personal responsibility comes into to help yourselves and do yere own research.
    Again you aren’t doing “research”. You inferring that actually cheapens real research and can stifle controlled lab work and statistical normalisation on how the virus behaves. If the situation wasn’t as serious your “research” is laughable.
    Don't bother anyone responding to this as I won't be responding back.
    Eh..no. When did you make the rules? Or was that part of your research? Obey the Gospel according to Say my Name?
    This was after all supposed to be an informative thread with no chit chat. But that was quickly ignored.
    And it wasn't me started the chit chat there's a good few here did that. * ( points fingers).
    Point away. “Informative” and the conclusions you’ve lurched to are very different.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,078 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    Not to alarm people but that would tie in to a loose link to HIV.
    That was suggested early on by the Indian experts as a reason to suggest that it was a manufactured virus. They had to redact that. But it looks like the fact remains.
    Ebola was loosely linked to HIV too and it looks like drugs that treat HIV may have an effect on Covid 19.
    The side effects of this may be reduced fertility in people even though they might never show any effects or symptoms from contracting the virus.

    It looks like HIV, Ebola and Covid 19 are all the one family.

    Sorry but that’s pure bull.
    Carona is a spherical virus where as Ebola is a distinctive “shepherds crook”
    They are very different genus


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,768 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    It won't be solved here and I couldn't care less about winning a debate.
    But it clicked with someone to use drugs that were used for hiv/ebola and they worked. The Chinese are now currently testing them on Italian patients.

    I know I'll anger some. But we're bigger than all that.
    As ye were with the stats and figures and advice on what to expect and what should be done in advance. But in all fairness the country looks it might be heading for total lockdown.
    So advice on wills or ai services/getting a bull might be too late. There could be a total lockdown for the next month announced any hour and we'd just have to roll with it. That's probably upsetting people too. And sure I'll be accused of "I told you so". :rolleyes: That's not how I roll Suckler.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    What lockdown looks like is Spain. If you're out you can only be at work, or getting shopping or medicines. The guards, civil defence, army will tell you, go home.

    I think I heard on the radio, that a point to point was held in Cork today, FFS.


  • Registered Users Posts: 909 ✭✭✭Aravo


    Am keeping to ourselves here. Maintain social distancing. Looking out for yourself is also looking out for others. Maintaining mental health is also very important. To cease contact with grandparent's is difficult especially for grand children. Today we built a small pen in garage and got 2 pet lambs. Feeding these will keep the little ones occupied. Clearing an area, getting materials, building pen setting up light, took a few hours. It was as good for me as anyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Water John wrote: »
    What lockdown looks like is Spain. If you're out you can only be at work, or getting shopping or medicines. The guards, civil defence, army will tell you, go home.

    I think I heard on the radio, that a point to point was held in Cork today, FFS.

    There were lads road bowling down here


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    It's a weird sensation around the place. Looking down on the main road and its eerily quiet. I have to be very careful about my movements because of mother was sick a few years ago. Plenty of practice with self isolation because of lambing though :D


  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Someone in my local village (<300 people) has tested positive


    Was in prague recently at a stag,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Potential human and animal drug shortage looming as production in China hasn't ramped back up as yet. Not free article in the link, I think?

    https://www.farmersjournal.ie/potential-animal-drug-shortages-being-monitored-532730


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Just on the point about potential drugs being used to fight Coronavirus
    https://twitter.com/davidasinclair/status/1238972083864027137?s=19


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    And risk of those with diabetes, hypertension, cancer etc versus the average person is 4 times higher of needing hospitalization, ICU and unfortunately death.
    https://twitter.com/nataliexdean/status/1234240216807989260?s=19


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭J.O. Farmer


    All you have to do yourself is look.
    I'm not making it up.

    Maybe search for yourself before going on the attack.
    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid19-repurposed-treatments-drugs


    I'd reread that article if I were you.
    It says SARS and MERS were the same family. It only said there were antiviral drugs for HIV and ebola which were worth looking at on the basis if they worked approval could be gotten quicker than a new drug.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,768 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    A new born baby tested positive for corvid 19, minutes after being born in the UK.
    The mother had pneumonia symptoms when admitted days before the birth.
    It's the youngest case recorded.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/newborn-baby-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-in-london


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    I'd reread that article if I were you.
    It says SARS and MERS were the same family. It only said there were antiviral drugs for HIV and ebola which were worth looking at on the basis if they worked approval could be gotten quicker than a new drug.

    To err is human..... to post a link to the information you've come across is divine.

    I noticed the chit-chat, but it's largely on-target so there's no point getting too upset over it.
    I'd just request self-restraint.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,913 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Ireland is now ranked 21 out of 195 countries for cases per million population. By comparision China is at number 18. Italy is way out ahead at number 1.

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    French authorities have warned that widely used over-the-counter anti-inflammatory drugs may worsen the coronavirus.

    The country’s health minister, Olivier Véran, who is a qualified doctor and neurologist, tweeted on Saturday: “The taking of anti-inflammatories [ibuprofen, cortisone … ] could be a factor in aggravating the infection. In case of fever, take paracetamol. If you are already taking anti-inflammatory drugs, ask your doctor’s advice.”


    Health officials point out that anti-inflammatory drugs are known to be a risk for those with infectious illnesses because they tend to diminish the response of the body’s immune system.


    The health ministry added that patients should choose paracetamol – which is known in the US by the generic name acetaminophen and commonly by the brand name Tylenol – because “it will reduce the fever without counterattacking the inflammation”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/anti-inflammatory-drugs-may-aggravate-coronavirus-infection

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 aphextwit




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    Get lemonade, spare pyjamas, some simple food and a thermometer.

    That was the advice from a coronavirus patient, speaking on RTÉ's This Week radio programme.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0315/1123371-patient/
    "I took to the bed, I knew before I got the result that it was Covid-19 because the window for seasonal flu had passed.

    "I was desperate to go to the bed, I just had to go to bed, it was calling me. The only place you can be when you're sick is in bed.

    "I got some lemonade, some paracetamol and a thermometer, and just went to bed for the next three days.

    "I didn't want to eat. My husband, who came up with a scarf around his face to stop being infected from me, brought me some yogurt and honey, which was about all I could bear.

    "On the third day I had some chicken soup, which was fabulous, but I didn't really want to eat because your mouth feels like sawdust.

    "It is very similar to the flu, but it seemed to be longer and slightly more severe, which makes sense because none of us have any immunity. So it was on par with the flu but worse."

    Dr Gerada did not suffer any breathing difficulties, which are common in people with an underlying medical condition, or among the elderly.

    "I am not in a risk group because I have no underlying health problems, but if you do have underlying health problems, or if you're elderly then you have to be careful," she said.

    "I also knew that even though my breathing was harder I wasn't having any lung problems. But people who do get lung problems, especially if they're getting breathless, they need to seek help."

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,078 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    Ireland is now ranked 21 out of 195 countries for cases per million population. By comparision China is at number 18. Italy is way out ahead at number 1.

    That figure is going to explode come Wednesday. Today is the first proper day of widespread testing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,833 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Will banks and post offices close?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,259 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Will banks and post offices close?

    The way things will work is places will adopt good pratices and and carry on but if a case occurs in proximity then individual businesses will be affected.in practice clonakilty branch might close but bandons still open or maybe the.mortage dept will close fror 2 weeks etc.its all about isolating cells.thats if we implement the current strategy properly. If we dont then ......


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    The link below from the Journal will link to what's happening in different areas as regards Coronavirus. They seem to be non subscriber but I haven't checked them all.
    https://www.farmersjournal.ie/coronavirus-mart-and-farming-updates-as-they-happen-533953


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    I came across a post on Facebook where a dairy farmer is using the leftover wipes that come with dry cow tubes as hand wipes. It could be worth a look around the dairy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    A man that used to work with me has been rushed into intensive care. Never smoked or drank. Mid twenties, self employed goat farmer.
    As hard a young man as I’ve ever seen.

    Be careful folks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    New York Governor Cuomo, very measured. 17% of positives require hospitalization. So if 60% get the virus, one in ten of the pop will end up in hospital.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Macron is addressing the nation later on this evening. Everyone (commercial business etc) expecting a total lock down from tonight.

    Waiting on diesel and supplies to be delivered and they’re talking about at least a 15day wait/backlog.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,115 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    https://www.facebook.com/Vox/videos/208375013870074/?d=null&vh=e

    Very good explanation on the origin of SARS and the coronavirus


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,618 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    https://www.facebook.com/Vox/videos/208375013870074/?d=null&vh=e

    Very good explanation on the origin of SARS and the coronavirus

    It’s a good watch.
    Hopefully these markets are closed for good and aren’t let go underground either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    I don't think I could watch that. I've only seen clips on twitter and couldn't finish them. They're absolutely vile. The gall to come here then inspecting our beef farms etc. Remember they're behind the poaching of endangered animals in Africa for the most part too.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,259 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    People like us working in an outdoor environment. How much at risk are we and what precautions can be put in place
    Obviously minimise travelling and dont share cars
    Washing hands and being conscious of what you touch and who else has touched it.
    Im not up to speed on the viruses abolity to survive outside in our climate


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  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    K.G. wrote: »
    People like us working in an outdoor environment. How much at risk are we and what precautions can be put in place
    Obviously minimise travelling and dont share cars
    Washing hands and being conscious of what you touch and who else has touched it.
    Im not up to speed on the viruses abolity to survive outside in our climate

    I think it can survive 8 to 12 hours on a surface outside such as ATM machine,door handle etc,so ive been told by a nurse friend working in cork.

    Hence the absolute mantra of wash hands repeated over and over


    Its by all accounts,coated in fatty type tissue and soap and water will break it up....tbh im thinking of mixing.basin of soapy water for the folks when cleaning counters this evening


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