Coronavirus Pandemic Information- Local and Worldwide

Panch18

whelan2 wrote: »

Neighbour got back from Spain on Saturday night. Out walking the roads today. She had pneumonia a few months ago. Should she not be self isolating?

Without a shadow of doubt

patsy_mccabe

UK on total lockdown now. Long way from the Herd Immunity they were talking about a while back.

Birdnuts

I know several people urgently awaiting tests since early last week - bl**dy joke if that whats happening across the board!!:mad:

Water John

whelan2 wrote: »

Neighbour got back from Spain on Saturday night. Out walking the roads today. She had pneumonia a few months ago. Should she not be self isolating?

She can go for a walk as long as she stays apart and isolates for 14 days. Those rules may change soon. Actually think like you that she should simply stay home.

They have said there is a delay in testing as they ramp up locations and labs. You just self isolate until you're tested. The testing is to track contacts but it's nearly gone beyond that. Remember in the UK, they wouldn't bother testing you, so we don't have any idea of the spread of the virus there.

_Brian

Birdnuts wrote: »

I know several people urgently awaiting tests since early last week - bl**dy joke if that whats happening across the board!!:mad:

40000 waiting and we’re doing 2000 a day.

_Brian

Shocking to see trump tweeting about relaxing the social distancing they have.

He’s worried the cure is worse than the disease.

He’s so not the president they need during this crisis. His inaction and poor decisions will cost thousands of lives while his rescue package will just make billionaires out of millionaires.

Their country is being destroyed firstly because they let the idiot get elected and secondly considering all the god damn guns they have not one person has shot the cnut.

CloughCasey1

_Brian wrote: »

Shocking to see trump tweeting about relaxing the social distancing they have.

He’s worried the cure is worse than the disease.

He’s so not the president they need during this crisis. His inaction and poor decisions will cost thousands of lives while his rescue package will just make billionaires out of millionaires.

Their country is being destroyed firstly because they let the idiot get elected and secondly considering all the god damn guns they have not one person has shot the cnut.

If ya **** on your own door step, don't be complaining if the place starts to stink. No more than our neighbours. Far cry from Obama and Cameron a few yrs back.

patsy_mccabe

Child here in a local childcare place tested positive. :mad:

Dinzee Conlee

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Child here in a local childcare place tested positive. :mad:

I thought childcare places were closed?

_Brian

See they found the virus living after 17 days on surfaces in two cruise ships.

Scary lengths of time to allow reinfection.

patsy_mccabe

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Child here in a local childcare place tested positive. :mad:

Sorry have heard since that the child hasn't been in the childcare center in weeks. She is positive though, back from her holidays up the country some where. The person that told me all this, has a child in the same childcare and their child is waiting to be tested.

_Brian

Obviously there is a phenomenal financial package being thrown at the workforce and business to keep money in people’s pockets and keep employers linked to business.

I’ve a small niggle that this is very early to be throwing so much money out as SW payments. If we’re facing what the IMF are saying a deep worldwide recession are we blowing our purse out early, how long can this level of spending last??

Mooooo

_Brian wrote: »

Obviously there is a phenomenal financial package being thrown at the workforce and business to keep money in people’s pockets and keep employers linked to business.

I’ve a small niggle that this is very early to be throwing so much money out as SW payments. If we’re facing what the IMF are saying a deep worldwide recession are we blowing our purse out early, how long can this level of spending last??

Interest rates are negative so should be borrowed cheaply at least. David McWilliams made a good point that banks could refinance there entire books and knock 0.5 % off all loans without affecting their margin. They should do it without even refinancing but that's a different argument

Donegalforever

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

UK on total lockdown now. Long way from the Herd Immunity they were talking about a while back.

Not surprised that the "Herd Immunity" experiment failed.
Johnson is a clown prompted at all times by Cummings.

_Brian

_Brian wrote: »

Obviously there is a phenomenal financial package being thrown at the workforce and business to keep money in people’s pockets and keep employers linked to business.

I’ve a small niggle that this is very early to be throwing so much money out as SW payments. If we’re facing what the IMF are saying a deep worldwide recession are we blowing our purse out early, how long can this level of spending last??

We're looking at an ECB run marshall type plan to kickstart eurozone econmies id guess

And id be somewhat suprised if corp tax isnt ramped up and some from of wealth tax brought in to pay for all this

patsy_mccabe

Prince Charles has the virus. Nobody is safe.

Water John

You had the papers in the UK two weeks trying to set up Prince Harry as the fall guy if the Queen got it, because he had been some place.

alps

The 40,000 now have to reapply for testing. Only those with multiple symptoms and are or living with a vulnerable person or health care worker or living with a positive are going to be tested.

We do not have the resources for this and we are just flying by the seat of our pants from here on...

Siamsa Sessions

alps wrote: »

The 40,000 now have to reapply for testing. Only those with multiple symptoms and are or living with a vulnerable person or health care worker or living with a positive are going to be tested.

We do not have the resources for this and we are just flying by the seat of our pants from here on...

Leo and his big dramatic, war-time address have made things worse. He exploited the fact that people were looking for some reassurance and told them Ireland was fighting back, despite the fact that our health service is poorly managed and can barely cope in a regular winter if there are high numbers of people with flu.

He knew that at the time but he failed to deliver a message that would have prepared people so there wouldn't be further unrest now as the reality hits home.

Dinzee Conlee

Was this always not going to be about priorities / triage?

Highest priority people get admitted to hospital, highest priority people get tested first...

There isn’t enough (test) resources or probably tests to test everyone immediately...

As for the health service - it’s the health service we have, we can’t do much to change it now.
Having said that, if people act the bollox, and spread it around not giving a damn, then wouldn’t any health service be overrun? I think the government are doing good enough on their attempts to curb the spread...

Suckler

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Prince Charles has the virus. Nobody is safe.

Any wonder?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGU5XvzjwRE

_Brian

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Was this always not going to be about priorities / triage?

Highest priority people get admitted to hospital, highest priority people get tested first...

There isn’t enough (test) resources or probably tests to test everyone immediately...

As for the health service - it’s the health service we have, we can’t do much to change it now.
Having said that, if people act the bollox, and spread it around not giving a damn, then wouldn’t any health service be overrun? I think the government are doing good enough on their attempts to curb the spread...

There’s only need to test the priority groups.
Everyone else that has symptoms isolated at home and for five days after symptoms are gone. If they start to feel poorly then back on to GP. Even if they test positive the result will be the.same isolate !

By moving testing to priority people we are keeping medical staff safe and identifying at risk people gets them the help they need quicker.

I think they are doing well across the bord, there are some bits I’d question but overall I’d support them.

patsy_mccabe

The crazy thing is, it is still spreading as we speak. From what I have seen people are not keeping the safe distance. Older people are, younger people are not.

Bass Reeves

alps wrote: »

The 40,000 now have to reapply for testing. Only those with multiple symptoms and are or living with a vulnerable person or health care worker or living with a positive are going to be tested.

We do not have the resources for this and we are just flying by the seat of our pants from here on...

As the US , the Dutch, the UK are going to let it run its course and poorer countries are unable to cope we have to go for controlled herd immunity. This is not ideal but if we roll it back we might be in a worse position than if we can control numbers and achieve a level of herd immunity. China cannot open its borders and neither can some other countries.

On the health service it makes little difference whether you had 90% or 110% capacity pre virus as if you get overwhelmed you will have a high causality rate anyways that may well accelerate more and more as your cases over capacity gap widens. This is the issue that countries that took no action may face.

The HSE must use it resources wisely and control the outcome now. We need to protect our nurses and doctors as there is a limited number of them and we need to keep as many as possible on the front line. We may well have to let those that will have minor cases manage the outcome themselves. The whole point now is to manage the virus. We were running at a 3% positive testing rare, therefore we were testing too many people. They have reconfigured the testing criteria as they should have

patsy_mccabe

endainoz

Bass Reeves wrote: »

As the US , the Dutch, the UK are going to let it run its course and poorer countries are unable to cope we have to go for controlled herd immunity. This is not ideal but if we roll it back we might be in a worse position than if we can control numbers and achieve a level of herd immunity. China cannot open its borders and neither can some other countries.

On the health service it makes little difference whether you had 90% or 110% capacity pre virus as if you get overwhelmed you will have a high causality rate anyways that may well accelerate more and more as your cases over capacity gap widens. This is the issue that countries that took no action may face.

The HSE must use it resources wisely and control the outcome now. We need to protect our nurses and doctors as there is a limited number of them and we need to keep as many as possible on the front line. We may well have to let those that will have minor cases manage the outcome themselves. The whole point now is to manage the virus. We were running at a 3% positive testing rare, therefore we were testing too many people. They have reconfigured the testing criteria as they should have

The UK hospitals ICUs will be full by next week they warned about it yesterday. People need to stop pushing this "herd immunity" narrative. It has no proof whatsoever and is a dangerous idea. The criteria change isn't because we were testing too many people, it's because the wait for higher priority cases for a test was too long. Tests are actually increasing.

alps

Spoke to one of those isolating since last week waiting on a test and told today that he wont have a test now. He's one of the good guys and is going to see out his isolation, but realistically, how many are going to do it?

I reckon we'll have a heap of positives on the loose...

Limestone Cowboy

How long are we looking ar until businesses get up and running again?

Water John

Things would probably be loosened gradually. I wouldn't be looking at any thing less then the end of May or into June.
Another point is if there will be a viable option of testing for antigens, then those that have had it and cured could go back to work. UK seem to be actively looking at this option.

_Brian

Water John wrote: »

Things would probably be loosened gradually. I wouldn't be looking at any thing less then the end of May or into June.
Another point is if there will be a viable option of testing for antigens, then those that have had it and cured could go back to work. UK seem to be actively looking at this option.

Wonder how long would immunity last, 3-9 weeks is what I read elsewhere. People get the flu over and over, it may not be the silver bullet people think.

Mooooo

_Brian wrote: »

Wonder how long would immunity last, 3-9 weeks is what I read elsewhere. People get the flu over and over, it may not be the silver bullet people think.

Depends on how fast the virus would change or adapt. New versions of the flu appear every year, that's why the jab may not always work against it as a new vaccine must be developed to include whatever strains. If covid 19 doesn't change very fast those with antibodies should have a bit of immunity. That's why some think this may become an annual virus if it adapts with vaccines required every year to deal with it

Dakota Dan

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

The crazy thing is it is still spreading as we speak. From what I have seen people are not keeping the safe distance. Older people are, younger people are not.

They are both age groups that are not keeping their distance, had an ould lad outside a shop today looking for a drive home but it wasn’t in my direction, I’d imagine he was waiting a while.

Water John

Coronavirus doesn't rapidly mutate like flu, so the second round should be the same bug, unlike flu where the second wave can be more deadly. This is from what I've read.

yosemitesam1

Water John wrote: »

Things would probably be loosened gradually. I wouldn't be looking at any thing less then the end of May or into June.
Another point is if there will be a viable option of testing for antigens, then those that have had it and cured could go back to work. UK seem to be actively looking at this option.

It will be very interesting to see what they find in the UK when they start looking for antibodies over the next few weeks.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/12-experts-question-covid-19-panic

patsy_mccabe

You cannot have a policy of herd immunity for a virus that is killing 16% of those infected. Statistically that's fairly accurate now ( over 135,000 cases). The only viable option is to kill the virus by social isolation. The virus cannot survive if it cannot pass on to another person. It will simply just die away.

yosemitesam1

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

You cannot have a policy of herd immunity for a virus that is killing 16% of those infected. Statistically that's fairly accurate now ( over 135,000 cases). The only viable option is to kill the virus by social isolation. The virus cannot survive if it cannot pass on to another person. It will simply just die away.

https://swprs.org/

Worth having a look on this, the Swiss propaganda research project. There's food for thought on it

Bass Reeves

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

You cannot have a policy of herd immunity for a virus that is killing 16% of those infected. Statistically that's fairly accurate now ( over 135,000 cases). The only viable option is to kill the virus by social isolation. The virus cannot survive if it cannot pass on to another person. It will simply just die away.

You could do that if every country did/had done it from the start. However a lot countries in South America and Africa will only let it run through the population. Then you have rogue states like the US and UK who government's fail to take the disease serious. That means that other countries need to manage there way to some sort of immunity in the population.

Take it we completely wipe it out by late May, as do countries like France Germany and Italy and Spain have it eliminated/controlled by then as weetc, what do we do then let US and UK tourists, how do we trade with Africa. Will a truck driver that take a truck load of meat to the UK have to self isolate when he comes home

It is not killing 16%of people, most countries are just not testing so we have.no idea of there true infection rate. In a controlled situation the death rate is running at 0.5% in uncontrolled it may be running at 2-5% but we will not truly know until we see final figures from Africa and South America, and the results of the social/economic experiment in the US and UK

patsy_mccabe

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

https://swprs.org/

Worth having a look on this, the Swiss propaganda research project. There's food for thought on it

Is this what you are referring to?:
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

The low death rate in Germany says a lot. Definitely something there. Only 206 deaths and 3,547 recovered. That's 5.5%, low by comparison to other countries. Still high though.

Castlekeeper

I saw this on twitter , it seems nettle tea may have something to offer.

yosemitesam1

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Is this what you are referring to?:
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

The low death rate in Germany says a lot. Definitely something there. Only 206 deaths and 3,547 recovered. That's 5.5%, low by comparison to other countries. Still high though.

Yes, there's so much information there. Don't think that everything the media is telling us is 100% correct. When the UK gets going with antibody testing over the coming days/weeks, they'll be the only numbers worth taking into account to judge the virus. Infection numbers at this stage don't mean much.

BENDYBINN

Jjameson wrote: »

To be crude (as is my way!). This may be a bit like myxo in rabbits, it’s never going to die away without a vaccine? If absolutely everyone doesn’t get immunity it is going to return periodically for years and years.

The Spanish flu in 1918 disappeared as fast as it came.....there is Hope.

Mooooo

BENDYBINN wrote: »

The Spanish flu in 1918 disappeared as fast as it came.....there is Hope.

It evolved to a different strain to survive as it was killing it's hosts. Killed anywhere from 50 to 100 million worldwide.

20silkcut

BENDYBINN wrote: »

The Spanish flu in 1918 disappeared as fast as it came.....there is Hope.

It lasted until 1920 I believe. Hard to believe that all that went on in Ireland at that time the 1918 election the first dail, the war of independence, the Black and Tans all occurred during a pandemic worse than this one.
Social distancing or catching the virus was the least of any ones worries at that time.

Castlekeeper

20silkcut wrote: »

It lasted until 1920 I believe. Hard to believe that all that went on in Ireland at that time the 1918 election the first dail, the war of independence, the Black and Tans all occurred during a pandemic worse than this one.
Social distancing or catching the virus was the least of any ones worries at that time.

I would disagree completely, mother, children and old people carried from the two families of our house, from different regions. That flu was far more serious and took a lot more lives than the political shenanigans of the time, which were no more than an inconvenience to most.

20silkcut

Castlekeeper wrote: »

I would disagree completely, mother, children and old people carried from the two families of our house, from different regions. That flu was far more serious and took a lot more lives than the political shenanigans of the time, which were no more than an inconvenience to most.

The Black and Tans were killing people indiscriminately and martial law was declared in a lot of counties. I’m pretty sure it was more than an inconvenience.
Maybe the worst of the pandemic had passed by 1920. But 1918/19 was the height of it. And the war started in early 1919.

bogman_bass

The flying Columns did a good job of lying low and staying away from people

Castlekeeper

20silkcut wrote: »

The Black and Tans were killing people indiscriminately and martial law was declared in a lot of counties. I’m pretty sure it was more than an inconvenience.
Maybe the worst of the pandemic had passed by 1920. But 1918/19 was the height of it. And the war started in early 1919.

"...to most"

The black and tans weren't up to much around here anyway, and the civil war mainly comprised of lads with nothing much else to be doing, according to my grandfather who lived through it.
According to this account
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/lifestyle/features/the-deadly-trail-of-the-spanish-flu-through-ireland-in-1918-868857.html

800,000 caught it with 23,000 deaths.

The war of independence and the civil war accounted for about 2000 each, the vast majority young male combatants.
WW1 accounted for about 50,000 Irish deaths but these were very unevenly distributed throughout the country.

The difference with the flu was you didn't have to go looking for trouble to get it.

greysides

Just a slight reminder, lots of leeway being given, but a bit less chat please, otherwise it's too hard to find the updates.

greysides

Open again, sorry 'about that delay.

Water John

The 10 deaths today is worrying and it's still in its early phase.