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Breeding Hoggetts-Store Lamb Prices etc

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  • #52
    razor8
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    orm0nd wrote: »
    Dropped them on the outfarm.

    Can get a few next week. Away with herself for a couple of days.

    Enjoy your few days


  • #53
    weatherbyfoxer
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    bought 30 2 year olds on Tuesday,20 llyen x texel and 10 pure llyen vaccinated for enzo and toxo €170..seller was getting out of sheep to go dairying


  • #54
    kk.man
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    Have best of my hoggets gone averaging 200e so far. Very happy with the price this year. Ewe lambs to replace them are dear. In fact I think you be better off buying hoggets for replacements they way ewe lambs are priced.


  • #55
    Dinzee Conlee
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    kk.man wrote: »
    Have best of my hoggets gone averaging 200e so far. Very happy with the price this year. Ewe lambs to replace them are dear. In fact I think you be better off buying hoggets for replacements they way ewe lambs are priced.

    How much are ewe lambs making up your part of the country KK?


  • #56
    kk.man
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    Dinzee Conlee wrote: »
    How much are ewe lambs making up your part of the country KK?

    Good lambs average 140e


  • #57
    Dinzee Conlee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    kk.man wrote: »
    Good lambs average 140e

    That’s heavy lambs, what weight would they be?

    How much are nice store ewe lambs making?


  • #58
    Tileman
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    kk.man wrote: »
    Have best of my hoggets gone averaging 200e so far. Very happy with the price this year. Ewe lambs to replace them are dear. In fact I think you be better off buying hoggets for replacements they way ewe lambs are priced.

    Jeez that’s some price ok. Most making 170-180 here. You must have serious sheep.


  • #59
    kk.man
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    Tileman wrote: »
    Jeez that’s some price ok. Most making 170-180 here. You must have serious sheep.

    Mine are big sheep but probability grade 2 in comparison with the show stoppers.


  • #60
    kk.man
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    Dinzee Conlee wrote: »
    That’s heavy lambs, what weight would they be?

    How much are nice store ewe lambs making?

    They be 45kgs and lower depending on markings.


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  • #61
    kk.man
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    Dinzee Conlee wrote: »
    That’s heavy lambs, what weight would they be?

    How much are nice store ewe lambs making?

    I'm not in that game but I recon 10e dearer than their male counterparts.


  • #62
    Albert Johnson
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    kk.man wrote: »
    I'm not in that game but I recon 10e dearer than their male counterparts.

    I'd say €10-15 a head dearer than the equivalent ram lamb, this would be for run of the mill store lambs and any nice ewe lambs would be dearer again. Considering that store lambs are at least a tenner a piece dearer than last year and oftentimes nearer to €20 it's not easy to buy much atm. It depends on what your buying tbh but there's horned ram lambs no bigger than a good cat making €50 a head. Therefore I'd imagine you'd do well to buy any sort of a middling ewe lamb less than €70. Once you go into nice head's or more power ect then it's nearer a €100 and from there the sky is the limit.


  • #63
    Bleating Lamb
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    Some fellas are going to get burnt badly next year who have bought dear Ewe Lambs if there is any kind of a decrease in the overall price of sheep.

    It’s an uncertain time in farming with Brexit negotiations,CAP changes and Coronavirus on the agenda.

    Have seen a lot of brocket (speckled face) ewe lambs around 30 to 35 kg making anything from 100 to 140 euro in last month.....absolutely crazy money for the strength of the lambs they are.

    Good Hoggetts with similar face markings are making around 160 to 180 euro this year.....I know which I would feel is a better investment.
    Anecdotal evidence is that a lot of Midland farmers are coming West to buy Store lambs this year....men who never bought store lambs as they are unsure how Cattle trade will go next Spring and are afraid to fill sheds with cattle this Winter.

    This is probably helping put a very strong floor under Store lamb trade.


  • #64
    kk.man
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    Bleating Lamb wrote: »
    Some fellas are going to get burnt badly next year who have bought dear Ewe Lambs if there is any kind of a decrease in the overall price of sheep.

    It’s an uncertain time in farming with Brexit negotiations,CAP changes and Coronavirus on the agenda.

    Have seen a lot of brocket (speckled face) ewe lambs around 30 to 35 kg making anything from 100 to 140 euro in last month.....absolutely crazy money for the strength of the lambs they are.

    Good Hoggetts with similar face markings are making around 160 to 180 euro this year.....I know which I would feel is a better investment.
    Anecdotal evidence is that a lot of Midland farmers are coming West to buy Store lambs this year....men who never bought store lambs as they are unsure how Cattle trade will go next Spring and are afraid to fill sheds with cattle this Winter.

    This is probably helping put a very strong floor under Store lamb trade.

    Replacement ewe lambs price takes the good out of the great hogget price. Another side of the coin is that lamb at 5.40+ this week in the factory has been unheard of since many years. If these prices were to remain steady throughout the year sheep might look to be an attractive farm enterprise again.


  • #65
    ganmo
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    keep an ear out for reports from blessington. I heard mad prices from there today 400 for hoggets 200 for ewe lambs


  • #66
    kk.man
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    ganmo wrote: »
    keep an ear out for reports from blessington. I heard mad prices from there today 400 for hoggets 200 for ewe lambs

    What?!


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  • #67
    mallethead2
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    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=525738&stc=1&d=1599603495

    To be fair he s some sheep man never off the road and a great judge of a sheep


  • #68
    mallethead2
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  • #69
    kk.man
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    mallethead2 wrote: »
    119072915_2793064124353616_4908218651555312490_o.jpg

    Fair sheep some backs on them.


  • #70
    DJ98
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    How can people justify paying over 200 euro a head for a hogget ewe, its well and good if she rears 2 lambs as she can easily pay for herself but if she's to only have one lamb or worse case scenario no lamb, well then your going to have her around for a few years before she starts making money or end up loosing money on her as she won't bring 200 as a cull and not much point carrying an empty ewe.


  • #71
    Ard_MC
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    kk.man wrote: »
    Fair sheep some backs on them.

    Wonder is that back of grass or meal?!


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  • #72
    kk.man
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    Ard_MC wrote: »
    Wonder is that back of grass or meal?!

    Probably is meal but they have great bone. Meal won't do that.


  • #73
    Tileman
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    kk.man wrote: »
    Probably is meal but they have great bone. Meal won't do that.

    Was watching tullow today and saw serious prices for Hoggets too. Couple lots made near 240.


  • #74
    kk.man
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    Tileman wrote: »
    Was watching tullow today and saw serious prices for Hoggets too. Couple lots made near 240.

    Did they?.. Still holding up so.


  • #75
    Tileman
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    kk.man wrote: »
    Did they?.. Still holding up so.

    Yea ewe prices were high in eniscorthy earlier aswell. Online mart. Very handy


  • #76
    JJayoo
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    Guys are prepared to pay more for hogget ewes because they are getting more for their lambs


  • #77
    DK man
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    i was at cooley sale last Saturday and bought 10 hoggets at 216/ head.


  • #78
    BryonManning
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    DK man wrote: »
    i was at cooley sale last Saturday and bought 10 hoggets at 216/ head.

    It's very cheap. I'll go this Saturday, maybe I'll go on sale.


  • #79
    White Clover
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    Anyone here see sucked hoggets selling ? What's the go of them ?


  • #80
    duffysfarm
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    Looking at some purebred charolais ewes on done deal but with no prce. Any ideas of what these would be making?


  • #81
    OneMan37
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    White Clover wrote: »
    Anyone here see sucked hoggets selling ? What's the go of them ?

    Yes, some up here in Donegal made between 160 and 180 at a breeding sale in Milford mart last week.


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  • #82
    OneMan37
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    duffysfarm wrote: »
    Looking at some purebred charolais ewes on done deal but with no prce. Any ideas of what these would be making?

    Guy here in Donegal was selling ewe lambs for 200 to 250e earlier in the summer.


  • #83
    Bleating Lamb
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    Have not seen any sold......what kind of trade are good 3 year old and full mouthed ewes suitable for breeding?.......have to try and buy some for a neighbour.....he prefers Suffolk x or Cheviot x ewes.Runs a Suffolk ram with the ewes.

    Are they dearer than other years because sheep prices in general are up.

    Thanks for any replies from people that have seen ewes selling.


  • #84
    Bleating Lamb
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    Anyone seen ewes like described above sold lately?


  • #85
    Mad about baa baas
    Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Mad about baa baas


    A neighbour of mine had hoggets at kilkenny mart yesterday. One pen were Suffolk x cheviot..190
    Also had a pen of Suffolk x texel 192


  • #86
    weatherbyfoxer
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    Bleating Lamb wrote: »
    Anyone seen ewes like described above sold lately?

    around €160 for good 3s n 4s in the southeast


  • #87
    Jd310
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    weatherbyfoxer wrote: »
    around €160 for good 3s n 4s in the southeast

    Is that not madness, last year €100 would have bought them, €180 would have bought a real smasher of a hogget, this year 180 would only be a middling hogget. What will someone do with a big pushed €220 hogget thats scanned dry. Would they keep her and chance her doing the same next year or kill her at €3/kg if your lucky


  • #88
    kk.man
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    Mad about baa baas wrote: »
    A neighbour of mine had hoggets at kilkenny mart yesterday. One pen were Suffolk x cheviot..190
    Also had a pen of Suffolk x texel 192

    It's brilliant year for the hogget ppl. My lowest was 180 and best was 220. I averaged 200. Never had it as good but they have been lean years too.


  • #89
    orm0nd
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    kk.man wrote: »
    It's brilliant year for the hogget ppl. My lowest was 180 and best was 220. I averaged 200. Never had it as good but they have been lean years too.

    Are you buying back ewe lambs?

    Just wondering is the profit margin much more than other years


  • #90
    kk.man
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    orm0nd wrote: »
    Are you buying back ewe lambs?

    Just wondering is the profit margin much more than other years
    I have bought back but not my full compliment yet. They are dearer but I think I may have been lucky mine averaging 110e so far.
    Profit margin would be seriously eroded if you buy back dear ewe lambs irrespective of price got for the hoggets.


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  • #91
    orm0nd
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    kk.man wrote: »
    I have bought back but not my full compliment yet. They are dearer but I think I may have been lucky mine averaging 110e so far.
    Profit margin would be seriously eroded if you buy back dear ewe lambs irrespective of price got for the hoggets.

    I'm a bit of an odd ball where I look at the cost of replacing an animal rather than the profit left over the initial purchase.


  • #92
    wrangler
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    orm0nd wrote: »
    I'm a bit of an odd ball where I look at the cost of replacing an animal rather than the profit left over the initial purchase.

    I'd be the same as that too,


  • #93
    Murang
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    wrangler wrote: »
    I'd be the same as that too,

    That’s the only way to do it


  • #94
    Western Pomise
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    orm0nd wrote: »
    I'm a bit of an odd ball where I look at the cost of replacing an animal rather than the profit left over the initial purchase.

    What do you mean by looking at it that way?


  • #95
    weatherbyfoxer
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    what price are 30-35kg horn x ram lambs makeing in the marts?..hoping to pick some up around €2/kg


  • #96
    k mac
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    What price would be the going rate for nice ewe lambs that would be fit for the ram next back end


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  • #97
    kk.man
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    k mac wrote: »
    What price would be the going rate for nice ewe lambs that would be fit for the ram next back end

    I'm buying them at the moment for circ 110e but it depends on the type of ewe lamb you want.


  • #98
    k mac
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    kk.man wrote: »
    I'm buying them at the moment for circ 110e but it depends on the type of ewe lamb you want.

    Would that be for ewe lambs you are putting to the ram this year


  • #99
    kk.man
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    k mac wrote: »
    Would that be for ewe lambs you are putting to the ram this year
    No... Not at all... The ones for this year are cic 135e.


  • #100
    k mac
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    kk.man wrote: »
    No... Not at all... The ones for this year are cic 135e.

    Looked at some nice shaped clean ewes that are around 48-50kgs that are probably fit for the ram but I would wait until next year. There priced at 135 and I'm thinking by the time they lamb in 2022 they are a bit on the high side price wise


  • #101
    Albert Johnson
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    k mac wrote: »
    Looked at some nice shaped clean ewes that are around 48-50kgs that are probably fit for the ram but I would wait until next year. There priced at 135 and I'm thinking by the time they lamb in 2022 they are a bit on the high side price wise

    I'd consider them too dear to store over at that price. Would you not be better off buying a lighter similar quality lamb given that your going to run them through to a hogget before breeding them. The stronger lamb should rightly be dearer as she's fit to tip immediately and if she rears one lamb next season your quickly recouping some of your investment. The lighter lamb is a more long term prospect but will do the business in time to come.

    I don't see the point in buying a big heavy lamb at top price to store over. She's only going to feed into a brute of a hogget this time next year that will be too fat if anything come breeding time. If the above sheep are bought at €130 now they'll probably be standing circa €180 as hogget's and even this year you'd have a fair sheep for that price.

    It depends on what you're looking for but I see nice ewe lambs of all colours roughly 30-35kg at either side of a €100 currently. There not for breeding this year but will make the finest of hogget's for anyone prepared to wait. It's hard to buy any much value at the minute as the hogget producer's have gotten on well so far and are well able to give good money for replacement lamb's.


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