Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all! We have been experiencing an issue on site where threads have been missing the latest postings. The platform host Vanilla are working on this issue. A workaround that has been used by some is to navigate back from 1 to 10+ pages to re-sync the thread and this will then show the latest posts. Thanks, Mike.
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Bloody Sunday soldier to be charged with murder

1…7891012

Comments

  • #552
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    Informers were killed in large numbers by the Old IRA, the PIRA killed informers too. In every war spies and informers get killed. It's not nice, war is not nice. It's just the way it is.

    On the overall point of gaining justice for victims. This is very important. The British side are blocking any efforts to achieve this. It's clear why they are doing this. Everyone knows of the bad acts committed by the PIRA. We all know about the bombs and killings that should not have happened. They are seen as the instigators and the chief culprits in the war. If a truth and reconciliation commission was to be undertaken, this myth would be busted. That would not be in the interest of the British side.


  • #553
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    zapitastas wrote: »
    Just on that, do you really expect Gerry Adams to admit previous membership of the IRA and then go to prison for two years. Why would he do that?

    While he denies such an obvious truth, you can't blame everyone else for doing the same. To go to prison for your beliefs is to test how much you really believe (and given politics, I'd doubt he'd get much of a sentence at this stage, if any).


  • #554
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    astrofool wrote: »
    While he denies such an obvious truth, you can't blame everyone else for doing the same. To go to prison for your beliefs is to test how much you really believe (and given politics, I'd doubt he'd get much of a sentence at this stage, if any).

    He was in prison. He also took a few bullets so I think his believe in the struggle is undeniable. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Adams and I'd have plenty, this is not one of them though.


  • #555
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,865 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    When everybody sits down in a truth process.

    So, the victims of this slaughter will just have to suck it up, even though men like Gerry Adams and Slab Murphy could give them justice. How thoughtful and considerate.
    No side is going to hand over their own, .

    Solder F is going to be charged with murder by the UK government
    Why can't SF/IRA give up one of their own?

    Blah Blah...politics.... blah blah..

    Ah OK so Ted.

    I love this moral duplicity Francie.

    So to use your own words.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109694242&postcount=241
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Why are you trying to excuse slaughter? .


  • #556
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    How many years later is there still nobody in a court for this?

    These things take time to work through. Would you prefer to see these things rushed and the culprit/s getting off because of some technicality?
    zapitastas wrote: »
    Just on that, do you really expect Gerry Adams to admit previous membership of the IRA and then go to prison for two years. Why would he do that?

    The real question is why he won't do that. McGuinness was big enough to admit it. Adams won't though because he knows it'll shattered this "man of peace who convinced the IRA to decommission etc" image. He'll be an ex-IRA big-wig who swapped terrorism for a big pension and pay check.


  • #557
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,972 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    So, the victims of this slaughter will just have to suck it up, even though men like Gerry Adams and Slab Murphy could give them justice. How thoughtful and considerate.

    Well, suggest to me another way of doing it that is going to work?

    Not some Little House On The Prairie moral fantasy world stuff, something that is going to deliver the truth and some sense of justice to the relatives.


    Solder F is going to be charged with murder by the UK government
    Why can't SF/IRA give up one of their own?

    Blah Blah...politics.... blah blah..

    Ah OK so Ted.

    I love this moral duplicity Francie.

    So to use your own words.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109694242&postcount=241

    You are really struggling here. 30,000 people went to jail over the conflict, again I ask you, how many of them were British soldiers?


  • #558
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,972 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Berserker wrote: »
    These things take time to work through. Would you prefer to see these things rushed and the culprit/s getting off because of some technicality?



    You do know the entire apparatus of the British state came together very quickly to whitewash and cover up what happened in Derry?


  • #559
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Farawayhome wrote: »
    Everyone knows of the bad acts committed by the PIRA. We all know about the bombs and killings that should not have happened. They are seen as the instigators and the chief culprits in the war. If a truth and reconciliation commission was to be undertaken, this myth would be busted.

    Do you really think the IRA or INLA would give up on any of their own, or even admit to being in the IRA? Many people involved 30 or 40 years ago are dead, no records were kept etc. Be realistic. A truth and reconciliation commission would reveal nothing.


  • #560
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Do you really think the IRA or INLA would give up on any of their own, or even admit to being in the IRA? Many people involved 30 or 40 years ago are dead, no records were kept etc. Be realistic. A truth and reconciliation commission would reveal nothing.

    I don't think the British side will give up their own. Their history of cover ups, sham reports, files being destroyed, lying about victims etc is well known. They have more to hide than anyone from the war.


  • #561
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Farawayhome wrote: »
    I don't think the British side will give up their own. Their history of cover ups, sham reports, files being destroyed, lying about victims etc is well known.

    Take a look at the title of this thread and think about the post above.


  • Advertisement
  • #562
    zapitastas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭zapitastas


    Bikers are going to organise a protest in London today called rolling thunder. The protest is at the prosecution of soldier F. How could anyone decide that this human trash is worth protesting for. Says a lot about those who would show up


  • #563
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Berserker wrote: »
    Take a look at the title of this thread and think about the post above.


    Oh don't worry. There is a lot of water to flow under the bridge before Soldier F is in the dock.


  • #564
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,998 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Good to see another murderer might be going to trial. Pity it has taken so long for innocent Irish lives to matter.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/former-british-soldier-to-be-prosecuted-for-murder-of-teenager-in-derry-in-1972-38016598.html


  • #565
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Good to see another murderer might be going to trial. Pity it has taken so long for innocent Irish lives to matter.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/former-british-soldier-to-be-prosecuted-for-murder-of-teenager-in-derry-in-1972-38016598.html
    "Another murderer" ?
    No trial needed so.


  • #566
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    Edgware wrote: »
    "Another murderer" ?
    No trial needed so.

    Any sympathy for Daniel Hegarty, the 15 year old child murdered by the British army?


  • #567
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Edgware wrote:
    "Another murderer" ?.

    What would you call someone that shots a 15 year child twice in the head?


  • #568
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,998 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Edgware wrote: »
    "Another murderer" ?
    No trial needed so.

    Thats my opinion of course.

    But for one young lad to be shot in the head twice, and his cousin to be shot in the head once (and survive), I have decided it was murder.

    You may not agree, but its known that these lads proved no threat at the time of their death/murder.

    Notice again that the soldier is in ill health, same as Soldier F from the Bloody Sunday murders. I am guessing there is an element of picking the guys who will never be put in jail due to it.


  • #569
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Edgware wrote: »
    "Another murderer" ?
    No trial needed so.

    Edgware for all your talk about the IRA you have very worrying ideas about what or what isn't murder.

    The inquest into the death of Daniel Hegarty found:
    On Friday the jurors unanimously found that 15-year-old Daniel Hegarty posed no risk when he was shot twice in Derry during Operation Motorman in July 1972.

    A 15 year old boy was shot twice in the head by someone and you don't see it as murder? By your standards the victims of IRA bombings weren't murdered until we have a trial.


  • #570
    zapitastas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭zapitastas


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Thats my opinion of course.

    But for one young lad to be shot in the head twice, and his cousin to be shot in the head once (and survive), I have decided it was murder.

    You may not agree, but its known that these lads proved no threat at the time of their death/murder.

    Notice again that the soldier is in ill health, same as Soldier F from the Bloody Sunday murders. I am guessing there is an element of picking the guys who will never be put in jail due to it.

    Essentially allowing a bunch of child murdering psychopaths to live most of their lives in peace before hauling them before the courts when they are old and frail. Too little too late


  • Advertisement
  • #571
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Thats my opinion of course.

    But for one young lad to be shot in the head twice, and his cousin to be shot in the head once (and survive), I have decided it was murder.

    You may not agree, but its known that these lads proved no threat at the time of their death/murder.

    Notice again that the soldier is in ill health, same as Soldier F from the Bloody Sunday murders. I am guessing there is an element of picking the guys who will never be put in jail due to it.

    To be honest I don't mind so much. I think it's great that murderers will actually be dragged through the legal process and finally be actually charged with murder. At least it's ruined what would have been a cushy retirement.


  • #572
    fonecrusher1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,702 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    To be honest I don't mind so much. I think it's great that murderers will actually be dragged through the legal process and finally be actually charged with murder. At least it's ruined what would have been a cushy retirement.

    But sure they've gotten away with it. Sadly the murdering soldiers have lived their lives in freedom. As planned many years ago when they realized the inquiry wasn't going away. What are they in their late 70's early 80's at this stage?


  • #573
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Guys is it me or are the posters who paint themselves as being against everything the IRA did incredibly cold when it comes to violence. We have an incident that a tribunal determined involved an unarmed, innocent 15 year old kid shot in the head twice and another involving civil rights protesters, again unarmed, again innocent shot down, one shot in the back while crawling away.

    The responses from those who claim to hate the IRA?
    Maybe the army were provoked
    Who says it was murder
    Maybe the victims were armed
    The army is a stressful job

    I'm sorry but the posters I'm describing are the worst apologists for the murder of innocent civilians and you can also add hypocrisy to that.


  • #574
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Guys is it me or are the posters who paint themselves as being against everything the IRA did incredibly cold when it comes to violence. We have an incident that a tribunal determined involved an unarmed, innocent 15 year old kid shot in the head twice and another involving civil rights protesters, again unarmed, again innocent shot down, one shot in the back while crawling away.

    The responses from those who claim to hate the IRA?







    I'm sorry but the posters I'm describing are the worst apologists for the murder of innocent civilians and you can also add hypocrisy to that.

    Scratch the surface even a little and the truth will emerge quickly with this sort of person. They have a side, they are extremely pro British in their world view. They are not neutral observers. You have to remember that not everyone was in favour of any form of independence for Ireland. These people didn't just disappear, these people passed their views on, we are left with a fairly significant number who excuse the murder of innocents and put the blame squarely on those who fought for our freedom.


  • #575
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Notice again that the soldier is in ill health, same as Soldier F from the Bloody Sunday murders. I am guessing there is an element of picking the guys who will never be put in jail due to it.

    Old people get sick. Probably won't spend any time in jail, as you say. Them's the breaks!


  • #576
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Berserker wrote: »
    Old people get sick. Probably won't spend any time in jail, as you say. Them's the breaks!

    Hmmm. So, the British government spent decades denying any wrongdoing, then they arranged enquiries that were useless because the scope of the enquiries were so limited.

    When they eventually got around to acknowledging that crimes were committed, and people are concerned that the perpetrators may not serve jail time, due to advanced age/illness, your attitude is "Them's the breaks!"

    Your "notion" of justice is both revealing, and disturbing.


  • Advertisement
  • #577
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Berserker wrote: »
    Old people get sick. Probably won't spend any time in jail, as you say. Them's the breaks!

    But I don't see a problem with it to be honest. He'll have this prosecution hanging over him during his retirement. It's also fun to see the ex-military in the UK have a whinge about it.


  • #578
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Hmmm. So, the British government spent decades denying any wrongdoing, then they arranged enquiries that were useless because the scope of the enquiries were so limited.

    When they eventually got around to acknowledging that crimes were committed, and people are concerned that the perpetrators may not serve jail time, due to advanced age/illness, your attitude is "Them's the breaks!"

    Your "notion" of justice is both revealing, and disturbing.

    The scope of the enquiries were set so people could get some form of closure. Enquiries which were very wide by definition would have resulted in people going round and round in circles, for far longer, with no end result. Given how difficult this process has been so far, can you imagine how trying it would have been if the scope was wider?
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    But I don't see a problem with it to be honest. He'll have this prosecution hanging over him during his retirement.

    Given that he's in ill-health, I suspect that staying alive will be infinitely more concerning to him. He may never have to deal with this case in the light of day.


  • #579
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Berserker wrote: »


    Given that he's in ill-health, I suspect that staying alive will be infinitely more concerning to him. He may never have to deal with this case in the light of day.

    Maybe but you got to admit it's fun to see the hordes of whinging ex NI service men saying they feel abandoned by their government again.


  • #580
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Maybe but you got to admit it's fun to see the hordes of whinging ex NI service men saying they feel abandoned by their government again.

    I don't there is anything fun about what went on in Northern Ireland during that period myself.


  • #581
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    They may die soon but at least everyone will know about the atrocities they committed. Hopefully, their families disown them if they haven't already done so and let them die alone in prison or wherever they end up.


  • Advertisement
  • #582
    irishgrover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭irishgrover


    Farawayhome wrote: »
    Scratch the surface even a little and the truth will emerge quickly with this sort of person. They have a side, they are extremely pro British in their world view. They are not neutral observers. You have to remember that not everyone was in favour of any form of independence for Ireland. These people didn't just disappear, these people passed their views on, we are left with a fairly significant number who excuse the murder of innocents and put the blame squarely on those who fought for our freedom.

    I unapologetically believe that for the most part the IRA were full of murderous scum, who’s actions brought misery to 10's of thousands and who ensured the people looking for peace and stability in NI would have to wait decades longer.....

    I believe that soldiers who go around shooting unarmed children in the head and then spend years and decades covering it up (at the direct cost of closure or peace and sanity of their victims’ families) are as bad if not worse and actively endorse hunting them down and holding them accountable for their crimes.
    I believe that public servants, civil servants and politicians who colluded in cover ups of same should be equally held accountable and charged whatever is appropriate.

    I in no way believe the these two views are mutually exclusive.

    I also don't think I'm in a small minority


  • #583
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Farawayhome wrote: »
    They may die soon but at least everyone will know about the atrocities they committed. Hopefully, their families disown them if they haven't already done so and let them die alone in prison or wherever they end up.
    At least the Provos did away with that old fair trial ****e and plugged so called informers etc and dumped them down a back road


  • #584
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    irishgrover wrote: »
    I unapologetically believe that for the most part the IRA were full of murderous scum, who’s actions brought misery to 10's of thousands and who ensured the people looking for peace and stability in NI would have to wait decades longer.....

    I believe that soldiers who go around shooting unarmed children in the head and then spend years and decades covering it up (at the direct cost of closure or peace and sanity of their victims’ families) are as bad if not worse and actively endorse hunting them down and holding them accountable for their crimes.
    I believe that public servants, civil servants and politicians who colluded in cover ups of same should be equally held accountable and charged whatever is appropriate.

    I in no way believe the these two views are mutually exclusive.

    I also don't think I'm in a small minority

    I wasn't just talking about the most recent war. Did you take part in any commemorations in 2016 and celebrate our Republican heroes who fought for Irish independence?
    The actions of the British armed forces have always been disgusting, no matter what decade you look at it.


  • #585
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    Edgware wrote: »
    At least the Provos did away with that old fair trial ****e and plugged so called informers etc and dumped them down a back road

    Still no sympathy for 15 year old Daniel Hegarty who was murdered by a member of the British security forces?


  • #586
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Berserker wrote: »
    I don't there is anything fun about what went on in Northern Ireland during that period myself.

    It's happening now. Lots of service men who were poorly educated about their role in Northern Ireland now feel hung out to dry. Blaming the government for punishing them for shooting kids in the head and whinging saying they feel used.


  • #587
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Edgware wrote: »
    At least the Provos did away with that old fair trial ****e and plugged so called informers etc and dumped them down a back road

    Sorry mate but your views on kids getting murdered makes it hard to believe you really believe what you post.


  • #588
    irishgrover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭irishgrover


    I guess I would not have such a simple view of the world as you go... IE Brits Bad - Irish Great.
    I'm guessing that it would be nice to have such a simple view, much less taxing on the brain. However I tend to see things in shades of grey as opposed to black and white.


  • #589
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Sorry mate but your views on kids getting murdered makes it hard to believe you really believe what you post.

    All informers were kids?


  • #590
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Sorry mate but your views on kids getting murdered makes it hard to believe you really believe what you post.

    I wont sleep tonight because of that concern


  • #591
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,998 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    It's happening now. Lots of service men who were poorly educated about their role in Northern Ireland now feel hung out to dry. Blaming the government for punishing them for shooting kids in the head and whinging saying they feel used.

    Its not the government punishing them. It's the justice system.

    The amount of criteria that have to be satisfied to proceed with a prosecution is huge. That's why only 1 soldier is being charged with the bloody Sunday murders.

    For this guy to be getting charged, again there must be enough evidence (he did of course make the rookie mistake of leaving a witness alive, although he tried his best to murder him too).

    As for him being abandoned, he will have a huge support in the UK. They always back their military, even when they murder people. Look at the support for the soldier in the bloody Sunday case. Getting massive support.

    I will assume that this 2nd soldier will also get his legal costs paid for by the MOD, despite the fact he is being tried for the murder of an unarmed 15 year old child.


  • Advertisement
  • #592
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Edgware wrote: »
    I wont sleep tonight because of that concern

    It's not a concern. I just don't buy your views on the IRA being bad when you post the opposite sentiment about murder in some posts.


  • #593
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    irishgrover wrote: »
    I guess I would not have such a simple view of the world as you go... IE Brits Bad - Irish Great.
    I'm guessing that it would be nice to have such a simple view, must less taxing on the brain. However I tend to see things in shades of grey as opposed to black and white.

    I asked you a very simple question. Your failure to answer tells a lot.

    Being anti the crimes of the British armed forces is not the same as being anti British. Being supportive of those who fought for our freedom does not equate to support for all actions of those who fought for our freedom.


  • #594
    irishgrover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭irishgrover


    Farawayhome wrote:
    I asked you a very simple question. Your failure to answer tells a lot.

    Your failure to understand or respect my answer says a lot more about you than it does me.
    Now jog on, I'm not wasting any more time on you


  • #595
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    irishgrover wrote: »
    Your failure to understand or respect my answer says a lot more about you than it does me.
    Now jog on, I'm not wasting any more time on you

    It's a bit rude to ignore a simple question I asked and then get all stroppy. Poor manners.


  • #596
    irishgrover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭irishgrover


    Farawayhome wrote:
    It's a bit rude to ignore a simple question I asked and then get all stroppy. Poor manners.


    Sorry, did not mean to be rude. I just don't want to waste my time being baited into a redundent argument with someone with such simplistic views.
    Your approach to engaging in what you would consider to be debate does not meet my personal minimal standards for being arsed to engage with people online. So if it makes you feel any better, I did not mean to be rude, I apologise.


  • #597
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    irishgrover wrote: »
    Sorry, did not mean to be rude. I just don't want to waste my time being baited into a redundent argument with someone with such simplistic views.
    Your approach to engaging in what you would consider to be debate does not meet my personal minimal standards for being arsed to engage with people online. So if it makes you feel any better, I did not mean to be rude, I apologise.
    Apology accepted


  • #598
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Its not the government punishing them. It's the justice system.

    The amount of criteria that have to be satisfied to proceed with a prosecution is huge. That's why only 1 soldier is being charged with the bloody Sunday murders.

    For this guy to be getting charged, again there must be enough evidence (he did of course make the rookie mistake of leaving a witness alive, although he tried his best to murder him too).

    As for him being abandoned, he will have a huge support in the UK. They always back their military, even when they murder people. Look at the support for the soldier in the bloody Sunday case. Getting massive support.

    Very good post on a few different fronts. Firstly, I think emotions get in the way here and people don't realise the sheer volume of work that goes into building these cases. Years and years of fact finding and information harvesting needs to go into building these cases. If there are any gaps, the case will collapse. I'd be surprised if the soldier spends any time in court. If he does, they must have a watertight case against him.

    People in the UK, will support their troops. Ireland, being a neutral country, doesn't have this kind of relationship with it's armed forces. The US is like the UK on meth when it comes to this kind of thing. The respect the forces have over there is just nuts.


  • #599
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    irishgrover wrote: »
    Sorry, did not mean to be rude. I just don't want to waste my time being baited into a redundent argument with someone with such simplistic views.
    Your approach to engaging in what you would consider to be debate does not meet my personal minimal standards for being arsed to engage with people online. So if it makes you feel any better, I did not mean to be rude, I apologise.

    You're still being rude. You don't know my views and instead are fabricating them.


  • #600
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    Edgware wrote: »
    Apology accepted

    Still no sympathy for Daniel Hegarty?


  • Advertisement
  • #601
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Farawayhome wrote: »
    Still no sympathy for Daniel Hegarty?
    ?


Advertisement