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Stories from the Celtic Tiger Years *Mod Warning in OP PLEASE READ*

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  • #652
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    I used to work as a bar manager in a golf club/hotel back around 2002 - 2004. We used to have several ahem.....big shots..... in staying the night.

    One particularly famous one (now deceased) had a habit of getting drunk in the residents bar and asking everyone out to the putting green (adjacent to the hotel) to join him for champagne and sandwiches/breakfast baps (at about 3am or 4am) and the night porter would have to set up a table with champagne etc. outside on the putting green and then go make sandwiches/breakfast baps. A bottle of champagne was €85 and they could go through between 5 - 30 of them, depending on the size of the group. All added to his bill.

    He really was a pain in the hole and the staff didn't like him but he spent a right few bob so management were willing to put up with his sh1te.


  • #653
    One More Toy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    Thinking back I was a little pr1ck during the celtic tiger, all the clothes my mother bought me had to be designer as I wanted to be seen at school.

    I wondered why we only had a 4 year old car.

    Then a life threatening event happened after the bust. Now I own next to nothing, clothes all out of penny's.

    Couldn't give a toss about anything materialistic anymore. I try to pay my mother 'reperations' almost to make up for the snob I was.

    Really embarrassed at how I acted even to this day


  • #654
    Leg End Reject
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,535 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    One More Toy wrote: »
    Thinking back I was a little pr1ck during the celtic tiger, all the clothes my mother bought me had to be designer as I wanted to be seen at school.

    I wondered why we only had a 4 year old car.

    Then a life threatening event happened after the bust. Now I own next to nothing, clothes all out of penny's.

    Couldn't give a toss about anything materialistic anymore. I try to pay my mother 'reperations' almost to make up for the snob I was.

    Really embarrassed at how I acted even to this day

    That's all normal enough for a teen conforming to peer pressure, it was different for people doing it from 25-50+ when they should have had a better sense of themselves.
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  • #655
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Leg End Reject wrote: »
    That's all normal enough for a teen conforming to peer pressure, it was different for people doing it from 25-50+ when they should have had a better sense of themselves.

    When I was a teen (not today or yesterday) I wanted a pair of New Balance football boots because they looked cool. They were £28 and I was told they were too dear. Awful upset I was. Never got them. Need counselling now because of it. :pac:

    My missus told me yesterday that her friend bought a pair of Yeezy runners for her young wan at the weekend. Fcukin ugly yokes and €350 for the pair, a bargain apparently. :eek::eek::eek:

    Times have certainly changed.


  • #656
    SchrodingersCat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    Claw Hammer wrote: »
    So you read him wrong. Fat lot of good it did chasing him off site after the event.
    Anyones head would be melted trying to read this lad. Even though you sound like the exception, its easy to be a Captain Hindsight in a thread about the Celtic Tiger.


  • #657
    Kotek Besar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭Kotek Besar


    I worked as a waiter in a restaurant in Waterford in 2006. I got paid €500 a week, cash. Many weeks my boss would pay me a single €500 note. It was awesome.

    Tips were around €250 a week, as I recall. Customers wouldn't think twice about leaving a €20 note on the table.

    Happy times.


  • #658
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    When I was a teen (not today or yesterday) I wanted a pair of New Balance football boots because they looked cool. They were £28 and I was told they were too dear. Awful upset I was. Never got them. Need counselling now because of it. :pac:

    My missus told me yesterday that her friend bought a pair of Yeezy runners for her young wan at the weekend. Fcukin ugly yokes and €350 for the pair, a bargain apparently. :eek::eek::eek:

    Times have certainly changed.

    Fruugo.ie has them for €699. I know it's optional to buy them but are they mad?

    https://www.fruugo.ie/adidas-yeezy-boost-700-wave-runner-b75571-shoes/p-24554457-53245002?language=en


  • #659
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    Fruugo.ie has them for €699. I know it's optional to buy them but are they mad?

    https://www.fruugo.ie/adidas-yeezy-boost-700-wave-runner-b75571-shoes/p-24554457-53245002?language=en

    The ones she picked look even worse than that. Yeezy Citrin.

    https://restocks.eu/p/adidas-yeezy-boost-350-v2-citrin?size_id=38&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3-23wNmn6gIVWuztCh0y4QueEAQYAiABEgIwnPD_BwE


  • #660
    One More Toy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    Leg End Reject wrote: »
    That's all normal enough for a teen conforming to peer pressure, it was different for people doing it from 25-50+ when they should have had a better sense of themselves.

    Thanks but I still cringe at myself, I once told my mum her salary wasn't good enough. What a d1ckhead I was.

    Making up for it now though so alls good


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  • #661
    Leg End Reject
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,535 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    One More Toy wrote: »
    Thanks but I still cringe at myself, I once told my mum her salary wasn't good enough. What a d1ckhead I was.

    Making up for it now though so alls good
    If you weren't a dickhead as a teenager you weren't doing it right!
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  • #662
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Leg End Reject wrote: »
    If you weren't a dickhead as a teenager you weren't doing it right!

    To be fair, not all teenagers are dickheads. The ones who aren't dickheads are ar5eholes.


  • #663
    One More Toy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    Leg End Reject wrote: »
    If you weren't a dickhead as a teenager you weren't doing it right!

    Think I was blinded by it all, I saw other parents with fancy new cars and we were stuck with a 4 year old toyota. Even gave my parents stick for not having an ssia


  • #664
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    L1011 wrote: »
    I was offered a 100% mortgage on a house in Kilbeggan when I was on 31k. Its affordability was based on assuming I'd rent rooms out to the rent-a-room max amount.

    My parents talked me out of it.


    Keep listening to your parents.


  • #665
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    I would come back at Christmas from living in Amsterdam where I own an apartment. Go to the local and earwig on blokes who took their fcuking kids to Lappland to see "Santy"


    "What are you doing in Holland? I have 4 houses, 3 cars and me and me mates own a racehorse"


    2006






    2009...BANKRUPT...and living back with Mum....in hock forever or bonking off to Wales for a year on a settlement.


  • #666
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    completedit wrote: »
    Reading the Pope's children here after going through this thread. Indulgence and arrogance is a horrible mix and seems there was plenty of it during the celtic tiger. We were like the teenager from a strict family who goes on the tear once they get a bit of freedom *

    Not a Dave McWilliam's analogy


    I read the book as well.


    What a bunch of **** they were.


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  • #667
    seenn00J
    Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭seenn00J


    I remember in 2005, myself and my younger brother (both early 20s at the time) trying to convince our parents to put everything they had (modest pension, ssia, savings, etc.) and use the family home as collateral to buy a block of 6 apartments in the backarse of Meath somewhere to help fund their retirement. We had everything worked out for them, monthly rental income/mortgage payment, what year the loan would be cleared, how much the apartments would be worth when paid off, etc. Even went as far as making an appointment to speak with a manager in BoI for them. Thankfully they weren't complete morons and didn't go ahead, but it scares me sometimes they even considered it and didn't laugh us out of the house. It would have completely ruined them within 4-5 years. Another scary fact is we both worked in banking/finance jobs ourselves at the time. We just couldn't comprehend the idea that property prices or rental income could EVER do something as crazy as falling.


  • #668
    Ubbquittious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,256 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Wildly Boaring wrote: »
    Harvey Norman this week!!

    Probably still made In China with the same cheap tat as every other kettle and will leak or stop working in a couple of years


  • #669
    upandcumming
    Registered Users Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭upandcumming


    There was a thread similar to this one during the recession, where the question was something like: What have you given up since the bust?
    One post that stood out, a joke of course:
    Leaving the car running all night to save you from having to turn it on in the morning.

    Reading some of the great stories makes this story seem less ridiculous!


  • #670
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    upandcumming wrote: »
    There was a thread similar to this one during the recession, where the question was something like: What have you given up since the bust?
    One post that stood out, a joke of course:



    Reading some of the great stories makes this story seem less ridiculous!

    I still remember this classic post from one of those threads:
    forfuxsake wrote: »
    Most couples I know had a young Vietnamese or Thai girl to help out in the bedroom with a bit of his n' hers oral playtime. When they broke down or got ripped they simply smothered them with a pillow, tied the body to a jetski and let it race out into the Atlantic until it ran out of petrol and sank.

    Then they simply ordered another one and it all began again.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=78054205


  • #671
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    upandcumming wrote: »
    There was a thread similar to this one during the recession, where the question was something like: What have you given up since the bust?
    One post that stood out, a joke of course:



    Reading some of the great stories makes this story seem less ridiculous!

    I accidentally did that once. Wasn’t using the car much, got a battery warning one evening, planned to leave it running for a few hours but forgot about it. Left the house next morning for work, walked past the car, up the road to the DART then remembered. :(


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  • #672
    buried
    Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    Memba that time Permanent TSB had the 'Shah of Iran' AKA 'Billy Batts' doing advertisements for mortgages and other crippling loans that ended up crippling everybody?

    "Permanen TSB, Bankin........only bettaa........... Now go get ya F**kin Shinebox"

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • #673
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Claw Hammer wrote: »
    The real problem was not people not managing money, it was their behaviour when they had it. They were far too ostentatious, lacking discretion and vulgar.




    The REAL problem was creating a bubble and then bursting it.It was a manufactured operation


    People talk smack about "Eddie" the barman and his gf Consuela the kitchen porter being given 500k loans, as if it was their fault.


    They were tools and fools in a massive heist. Give people a load of money on a debt load, have them run up superior amounts of debt further, then crash them and sell their foreclosed assets. You have Eddie and Consuela in hock for the rest of their lives and you now have the gaff they were fooled into buying for 500k.


    That, my friend, is called willful misrepresentation. It is also called fraud.


    Financial advice is like legal or medical advice. It has to be not only regulated but covered by a code of ethics.



    If a doctor tells you "It's all good...smoke up Johnny" .... bad advice
    Likewise a lawyer...."Relax, mate, you're covered. No impropriety"


    And a banker says "Take all this loot. Sound mate. You won't have to pay it back. Gonna be great, lad" ......Willful misrepresentation, and illegal.


    But the trick worked.


  • #674
    One More Toy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    Fruugo.ie has them for €699. I know it's optional to buy them but are they mad?

    https://www.fruugo.ie/adidas-yeezy-boost-700-wave-runner-b75571-shoes/p-24554457-53245002?language=en

    A thousand quid for a size 8.... And €50 shipping cost!


  • #675
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    The REAL problem was creating a bubble and then bursting it.It was a manufactured operation


    People talk smack about "Eddie" the barman and his gf Consuela the kitchen porter being given 500k loans, as if it was their fault.


    They were tools and fools in a massive heist. Give people a load of money on a debt load, have them run up superior amounts of debt further, then crash them and sell their foreclosed assets. You have Eddie and Consuela in hock for the rest of their lives and you now have the gaff they were fooled into buying for 500k.


    That, my friend, is called willful misrepresentation. It is also called fraud.


    Financial advice is like legal or medical advice. It has to be not only regulated but covered by a code of ethics.



    If a doctor tells you "It's all good...smoke up Johnny" .... bad advice
    Likewise a lawyer...."Relax, mate, you're covered. No impropriety"


    And a banker says "Take all this loot. Sound mate. You won't have to pay it back. Gonna be great, lad" ......Willful misrepresentation, and illegal.


    But the trick worked.

    Well Eddie and his gf Consuela are at least partly to blame and you can't say that they bear no responsibility.

    Anyway, as said before seriousness is against the spirit of this thread!


  • #676
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Does anyone remember those brutal Anti-Cocaine Ads they ran around 2006?
    "The Party's Over" was the tagline, accompanied by a graphic of a balloon popping I think.
    How would that persuade anyone to not do bag?
    If you want to turn people off drugs just throw up accounts of people who shagged their lives up from it, don't use bossy national school Muinteoir language at adults.


  • #677
    Salvadoor
    Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭Salvadoor


    https://twitter.com/SoleDublin/status/1277668513725984768

    Gerald is back baby


  • #678
    Sky King
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    That gives me a pain in my sole


  • #679
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,851 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    The comments on twitter for that are worth a read


  • #680
    blindside88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭blindside88


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    The comments on twitter for that are worth a read

    Just had a quick read of them. Some very funny, some would give you a pain in your hole from their high horse


  • #681
    MyPeopleDrankTheSoup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭MyPeopleDrankTheSoup


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    The REAL problem was creating a bubble and then bursting it.It was a manufactured operation

    People talk smack about "Eddie" the barman and his gf Consuela the kitchen porter being given 500k loans, as if it was their fault.

    They were tools and fools in a massive heist. Give people a load of money on a debt load, have them run up superior amounts of debt further, then crash them and sell their foreclosed assets. You have Eddie and Consuela in hock for the rest of their lives and you now have the gaff they were fooled into buying for 500k.
    <snip>
    And a banker says "Take all this loot. Sound mate. You won't have to pay it back. Gonna be great, lad" ......Willful misrepresentation, and illegal.

    But the trick worked.

    So the banks knew all along and were screwing Eddie and the likes? Then how did the banks lose a fortune as well and had to be taken over?

    Nearly everybody lost in this game. Except the people who sold at the top and sat on on their cash of course. The banks didn't do that.


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  • #682
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    MyPeopleDrankTheSoup wrote:
    So the banks knew all along and were screwing Eddie and the likes? Then how did the banks lose a fortune as well and had to be taken over?


    The banks didn't lose at all ffs, we bailed them out and said carry on lads, keep creating money there, keep inflating asset prices, it's all good!


  • #683
    Feisar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Feisar


    One More Toy wrote: »
    Think I was blinded by it all, I saw other parents with fancy new cars and we were stuck with a 4 year old toyota. Even gave my parents stick for not having an ssia

    "4 year old toyota" says he! Just be glad you were never outside Mass baiting the starting motor on an ould Nissan Bluebird with a hammer in an effort to get her to start.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #684
    nedkelly123
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭nedkelly123


    I was 24 and the bank offered me 807K to buy 3 rental places on a salary of 40k !


  • #685
    Feisar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I came out of college two years before the bust. Working for a main contractor on a big project it was rare if some subbie wasn't bringing us out for a meal and drinks every week.

    Went to a wedding with my GF at the time. Lads only a couple of years older than me were all driving the best of yokes.

    Out of college a wet week and the bank was ringing me up about loans. Actually back in college I remember lads getting loans due to their "earning potential", whatever the feck that is.

    One of the lads at work getting caught just before the burst. He bought a house right at the peak.

    When I was in college, trades coming in getting cheques changed. The bar owner would purposefully have the cash on hand so the boys would sit down and drink a fair ball of it.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #686
    nedkelly123
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭nedkelly123


    a guy i knew in school drove past me in 2006 in a brand new rangerover .. he left school at 15 ... he was a bricklayer ...


  • #687
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,305 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    The banks didn't lose at all ffs, we bailed them out and said carry on lads, keep creating money there, keep inflating asset prices, it's all good!
    We had two options;

    Bail out the banks, and we'd still have banks in Ireland.

    Not bail out the banks, and use the banks not in Ireland.

    The problem with the latter is that we'd be asking for a bank not in Ireland to lend to a country that has no banks, and no way of enforcing debt. Unlike the UK where they can take your stuff and sell it, apart from the Monk coming over to you, there's not much reason for you to pay up if you don't want to. So if the bank was going to lend to anyone in Ireland, the risk would be high, so thus would the interest.


  • #688
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    The Celtic Tiger years passed me by. I didn't have much left from my teaching salary after paying bills and the mortgage. I was brought up being told if I wanted something, I should save for it and buy it, not borrow for it, so no foreign apartments for flash cars for me.

    Ironically, many of the 'unemployed' families of the children I taught bought foreign apartments at the time. I remember one child telling me twelve of her family were going to Florida for Christmas and on a ten day cruise afterwards. A lovely life some in this country had/have.


  • #689
    howamidifferent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭howamidifferent


    spurious wrote: »
    I remember one child telling me twelve of her family were going to Florida for Christmas and on a ten day cruise afterwards. A lovely life some in this country had/have.
    Was it miss cash?


  • #690
    tylercheribini
    Registered Users Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    My stories pale in comparison to ones here but I do recall stilettoed women in my home town getting taxi's for a 200 yard journey down the main street. My friend also managed to get a mortgage whilst on the dole, what could go wrong?


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  • #691
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    nedkelly123 wrote: »
    a guy i knew in school drove past me in 2006 in a brand new rangerover .. he left school at 15 ... he was a bricklayer ...

    I worked as a blocklayer/brickie's labourer for a while, about the year 1999/2000. As a labourer I was taking home close to £1000 per week with overtime, and a good, hard working brickie/blocklayer who didn't go on the lash would be on 4 times that.

    Blocklaying is very hard work but it's one of the easiest trades to learn. Now getting good at it is another story.


  • #692
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    the_syco wrote: »
    We had two options;

    Bail out the banks, and we'd still have banks in Ireland.

    Not bail out the banks, and use the banks not in Ireland.

    The problem with the latter is that we'd be asking for a bank not in Ireland to lend to a country that has no banks, and no way of enforcing debt. Unlike the UK where they can take your stuff and sell it, apart from the Monk coming over to you, there's not much reason for you to pay up if you don't want to. So if the bank was going to lend to anyone in Ireland, the risk would be high, so thus would the interest.

    there would have been nothing stopping us creating our own public banks, we may not have had an choice but to bail them out, but to do it with little or no changes or consequences was pretty damn stupid and reckless


  • #693
    gerrybbadd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,301 ✭✭✭✭gerrybbadd


    Salvadoor wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/SoleDublin/status/1277668513725984768

    Gerald is back baby

    Shame - they've removed it now


  • #694
    Glebee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭Glebee


    Celtic Tiger sort of passed me by as well. Not really doing anything different now than I did back then I think. Less on socialise but im older now and not able for the hangovers...I got some tarmac done out of my SSIAs:o, I feel hard done by now reading this thread. Should have blew it on something else.


  • #695
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    there would have been nothing stopping us creating our own public banks, we may not have had an choice but to bail them out, but to do it with little or no changes or consequences was pretty damn stupid and reckless


    No need to reinvent the wheel. Just legislate for seperations between investment and retail banking as the Roosevelt Administration did in response to the Great Depression (which was then scrapped by the Clinton Administration at Wall Street's behest).


  • #696
    tylercheribini
    Registered Users Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    Glebee wrote: »
    Celtic Tiger sort of passed me by as well. Not really doing anything different now than I did back then I think. Less on socialise but im older now and not able for the hangovers...I got some tarmac done out of my SSIAs:o, I feel hard done by now reading this thread. Should have blew it on something else.

    My abiding memory of it was it engendering the worst side of people:superficial,materialist,vacous nonsense. I dont think I "missed" out.


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  • #697
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    No need to reinvent the wheel. Just legislate for seperations between investment and retail banking as the Roosevelt Administration did in response to the Great Depression (which was then scrapped by the Clinton Administration at Wall Street's behest).

    completely agree, reintroducing the glass steagall act was a critical thing to do, but it was not done, financial sector lobbyists made sure of that


  • #698
    One More Toy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    Feisar wrote: »
    "4 year old toyota" says he! Just be glad you were never outside Mass baiting the starting motor on an ould Nissan Bluebird with a hammer in an effort to get her to start.

    I learned to drive in a Nissan bluebird :)


  • #699
    One More Toy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    there would have been nothing stopping us creating our own public banks, we may not have had an choice but to bail them out, but to do it with little or no changes or consequences was pretty damn stupid and reckless

    We basically own AIB...


  • #700
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    there would have been nothing stopping us creating our own public banks, we may not have had an choice but to bail them out, but to do it with little or no changes or consequences was pretty damn stupid and reckless

    Just because you don't have any savings doesn't mean everyone is the same.

    People had their whole life savings in the bank. These are the people who were rightly bailed out.


  • #701
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    One More Toy wrote: »
    We basically own AIB...

    aib is currently being prepped to be returned to the private sector, it could be argued that it should remain in largely public ownership and/or simply create our own public banking system, similar to other countries, including European countries


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