Irish bloggers..the truth coming out

KiKi III wrote: »

So are the vast majority of bloggers/ influencers though. The proportion of people making any income from it is limited, while getting the odd freebie has been standard in journalism for years but somehow that escapes the same scrutiny.

Ah now come off it!
Journalists receiving freebies and not declaring that, is ethically and morally corrupt and would lead to a fairly rapid firing and loss of reputation.
Its also AFAIK illegal to present an advertorial as anything other than a paid advert.

There is a world of difference between writing or vlogging on topics you are interested and knowledgeable about, and broadcasting ones life in all its detail and basically being a 5 star review for hire!
Which is what many of the #ad, #spon posts lead to.

Very rarely see anyone complaining or disparaging their freebies, hardly ethical if the product isn't great.
Thats even ignoring the amount of juice diet, magic and MLM ****e that is so prevalent across the sphere.

As for bloggers/insta whatevers, a huge difference between Boards and there is that Boards is in the main....
Anonymous.
Whereas those other things? Are they?
Would that have an impact on the discourse?

It is one of the less favourable sides of device convergence IMO.
Warhol predicted everyone would have 15 minutes of fame, and now we have a lot of people trying to take those minutes.
Its a small price to pay for all the benefits that the technology brings though.
The mobile phone and its abilities are changing the world in ways very few ever saw coming.

banie01 wrote: »

Ah now come off it!
Journalists receiving freebies and not declaring that, is ethically and morally corrupt and would lead to a fairly rapid firing and loss of reputation.
Its also AFAIK illegal to present an advertorial as anything other than a paid advert.

There is a world of difference between writing or vlogging on topics you are interested and knowledgeable about, and broadcasting ones life in all its detail and basically being a 5 star review for hire!
Which is what many of the #ad, #spon posts lead to.

Very rarely see anyone complaining or disparaging their freebies, hardly ethical if the product isn't great.
Thats even ignoring the amount of juice diet, magic and MLM ****e that is so prevalent across the .

You’re very much mistaken on your first point. Travel journalists have long gotten free trips, beauty journalists get free samples just like influencers do, film critics don’t pay for tickets to premieres etc.

It’s easy to write off influencers based on magic diet juice etc but you’re taking a small fraction (perhaps the most visible but not necessarily the most influential) as the lot.

I follow a lot of sobriety accounts and some of the influencers in that space have created incredibly supportive communities that are literally helping people overcome their addictions. And when they launch a book or host an event I’m more than happy to support them to the tune of a tenner as a thank you for that.

KiKi III wrote: »

I follow a lot of sobriety accounts and some of the influencers in that space have created incredibly supportive communities that are literally helping people overcome their addictions. And when they launch a book or host an event I’m more than happy to support them to the tune of a tenner as a thank you for that.

In fairness I don't think sobriety accounts are the issue. It's the vapid, vainglorious nonsense accounts with plenty of product placement and zero self awareness that draws my ire.

coolbeans wrote: »

In fairness I don't think sobriety accounts are the issue. It's the vapid, vainglorious nonsense accounts with plenty of product placement and zero self awareness that draws my ire.

My point was that people are assuming anyone who’s trying to develop a presence on a platform like Instagram is vapid and vainglorious when there are plenty who do it because they’re passionate about a particular topic whether it’s sobriety or mental health or politics or grassroots activism.

Lots of people here intent on throwing the baby out with the bath water.

KiKi III wrote: »

You’re very much mistaken on your first point. Travel journalists have long gotten free trips, beauty journalists get free samples just like influencers do, film critics don’t pay for tickets to premieres etc.

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I take it you are being deliberately awkward?
Those are all recognised advertorial channels and if a product is being praised?
It needs to be declared or there will be a reckoning.

Getting free product in the hope that you will write an ad...
That's not journalism, it's copywriting.

On your second point.
You seem to be conflating people doing actual good.
With people who rock up to restaurants or retailers demanding freebies on the strength of their followers?

You do see they are not the same thing, yeah?

One is actual "social" media?
The other is livestreamed extortion?

I mean I know I'm anonymous "ish" but if I rock up to my local chipper and demand free food on the back of my 24k thanks on boards.ie, I'm clearly an asshole!

On the other hand,

If I get a PM from someone who's read one of more my contemplative posts here?
I reply, in private and help if I can and advise where and how to seek help if I can't.

One is a commercial transaction amounting to let's leveraging ones profile.
The other is a socially responsible, caring and altruistic act.

That you know some accounts who make that altruistic act public and help others, that's great.

That's not the topic at hand tho, and in fairness conflating them does people who do good work a grave disservice.

This thread was opened with an example of fairly wanton begging behaviour and more were added.
You want to discuss charitable and responsible bloggers?
That's a different topic, start a thread on it

Omackeral wrote: »

If you got a few quid every time the ''quotation guy'' thanked your post you could make a pretty penny.

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

They are one and the same.

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

No, they display quite different characteristics.

PPL is a coke head who is married but can only get it up for escorts.

JF is an occasional cocaine user but has a thing for MILFs and his ex-sister in law.

ES is the hanger on, has never touched drugs, lost his virginity on his wedding night and hasn’t strayed since. Easily lead but harmless on his own.

Emmet is a fine poster, and one of the 'good ones' around here, but we are not the same person. Haven't a clue who he is.

My offer of creating some sort of Patreon account still stands. In return for membership you will get access to:

• My posts 5 minutes before they are posted so you have the time to come up with something funny/interesting/relevant to say in reply.
• I will personally create an OP for you that will generate at least 50 replies - 1 per year.
• My e-book.

A bargain.

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Very magnanimous of you, J. I wouldn’t have your “charity” dealing with that lot. And, also, thanks for the endorsement, much appreciated.

To be honest, I don’t mind being associated with yourself, or some of the others I’ve been “accused” of being, but I find it unseemly to be “connected” with the Pintman. An odious, and base, individual.

I’m actually glad you addressed these “attacks”, as no further edits due to that moderator’s “warning” seem to be forthcoming. A “blind eye” being turned, once again. Not surprising when one of their little “favourites“ is involved. Once again.

Here’s hoping a couple of them take you up on that offer, though. Would be nice to see some actual intelligent “humour” coming out of them, for a change. The “try hard” job they’re doing now is just lame.

Cheers Emmet. Nice words. I have very many flaws, but two things that stand to me - I never get angry on the internet; I don’t give a shïte what people think of me.

I’d say that’s a trait shared by many of the more successful influencers. Just able to ignore the abuse and jibes from the cheap seats.

JasonStatham wrote: »

Yeah they're definitely the same person.

Couldn't make it more obvious

KiKi III wrote: »

You’re very much mistaken on your first point. Travel journalists have long gotten free trips, beauty journalists get free samples just like influencers do, film critics don’t pay for tickets to premieres etc.

Wouldnt mind being a film critic myself. Talk a load of crap and get paid
It really is a load of bullcrap when you think about it. As all those famous critics like Johnathan Ross and Barry Norman knew sweet **** all about making movies. But we can all rate and "review" something lol.

Something is wrong with society when people are listening to some randomer pulling garbage out of their ass and making a YouTube video etc.

Can someone who has read that 37 page thread in the OP summarise what exactly this latest kerfuffle is about?

Muahahaha wrote: »

Can someone who has read that 37 page thread in the OP summarise what exactly this latest kerfuffle is about?

I am Wayne Jarvis.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’d highly recommend this article about a group of Australian influencers. One of the best long-form articles I’ve ever read. Lots of shade thrown, both subtle and not so subtle.

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2019/07/the-coast-of-utopia-surfer-moms-instagram-influencers/amp

That's a very good article. You did warn it was a long read, I should have made tea before I started it.

Muahahaha wrote: »

ah right, so bitches be bitching basically.

I read a few pages of it and her diet, body, work ethic and boyfriend were all torn apart. I hope she's making some money out of it because if she's not she's absolutely mad to put herself through that level of scrutiny.