Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

knucklehead6 · 14-03-2017 9:17am

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Same guy is on Morning Ireland now RTÉ radio 1

He sounds totally devastated.

Donal55 · 14-03-2017 9:19am

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Same guy is on Morning Ireland now RTÉ radio 1

And the same litany 'we dont hold out much hope'.

Very inconsiderate considering families of crewmen probably listening to radio for updates etc.

SEPT 23 1989 · 14-03-2017 9:21am

Donal55 wrote: »

And the same litany 'we dont hold out much hope'.

Very inconsiderate considering families of crewmen probably listening to radio for updates etc.

Im sure the family's know the full story by now

cml387 · 14-03-2017 9:22am

irishgeo wrote: »

Terrible news. Hopefully they will be found safe and well.

Would the helicopter have a black box?

Yes, and more.

Helicopters like these are subject to the most stringent monitoring of mechanical parts due to the catastrophic consequences of any major failure.

thomasm · 14-03-2017 9:29am

On RTE he said the went from Dublin as far as 10 miles past Blacksod and then turned around to refuel at Blacksod and didn't make it. Why did they go 10 miles past refuelling spot to turn around. He did said this was normal procedure and to a layman like me it seems odd.

arubex · 14-03-2017 9:30am

irishgeo wrote: »

Would the helicopter have a black box?

Yes, FDR and CVR plus many more airframe accelerometers and sensors than most airliners. The data is uploaded to Sikorsky frequently ( weekly? ) so that they can identify trends across the fleet.

January · 14-03-2017 9:35am

Why would the spokesperson say they both refuelled when they didn't

Gaoth Laidir · 14-03-2017 9:39am

Here all the info on the type and crew requirements.

http://www.dttas.ie/maritime/english/helicopters-0

ironclaw · 14-03-2017 9:39am

January wrote: »

Why would the spokesperson say they both refuelled when they didn't

If it was the guy on Morning Ireland, he was hopeless. He said it was a Scottish trawler, when it was Russian according to the Coast Guy statement. He wasn't prepared and seemed to just make it up as he went along. He shouldn't have been talking on national radio as he appeared to be a local lad who got the call and wanted a big day out.

Why didn't the Coast Guard have a rep? That seems odd to me for such a major incident, especially as we are ~6 hrs in.

ectoraige · 14-03-2017 9:39am

January wrote: »

Why would the spokesperson say they both refuelled when they didn't

They may have both refuelled at the start of the mission, with 116 planning to refuel before returning to Dublin.

vicwatson · 14-03-2017 9:40am

January wrote: »

Why would the spokesperson say they both refuelled when they didn't

Do we know that for CERTAIN yet?

The_Wanderer · 14-03-2017 9:40am

January wrote: »

Why would the spokesperson say they both refuelled when they didn't

I'm sure in situations like this, a lot of information is being passed about and some of it may be in error. Once its out there with the mainstream media its hard to correct it.

My thoughts concerned to the missing crew.

knucklehead6 · 14-03-2017 9:41am

ironclaw wrote: »

If it was the guy on Morning Ireland, he was hopeless. He said it was a Scottish trawler, when it was Russian according to the Coast Guy statement. He wasn't prepared and seemed to just make it up as he went along. He shouldn't have been talking on national radio as he appeared to be a local lad who got the call and wanted a big day out.

Why didn't the Coast Guard have a rep? That seems odd to me for such a major incident, especially as we are ~6 hrs in.

Eugene Clonan was the guy on Newstalk, probably the same lad on Morning Ireland. He's the coast guard director. And quite possibly knows the crew personally. He sounds more devastated than 'wanting a big day out'.

Gaoth Laidir · 14-03-2017 9:42am

ironclaw wrote: »

If it was the guy on Morning Ireland, he was hopeless. He said it was a Scottish trawler, when it was Russian according to the Coast Guy statement. He wasn't prepared and seemed to just make it up as he went along. He shouldn't have been talking on national radio as he appeared to be a local lad who got the call and wanted a big day out.

Why didn't the Coast Guard have a rep? That seems odd to me for such a major incident, especially as we are ~6 hrs in.

That's absolute nonsense. He answered as best he could. Cathal kept asking him questions that he'd already answered.

knucklehead6 · 14-03-2017 9:46am

ironclaw wrote: »

If it was the guy on Morning Ireland, he was hopeless. He said it was a Scottish trawler, when it was Russian according to the Coast Guy statement. He wasn't prepared and seemed to just make it up as he went along. He shouldn't have been talking on national radio as he appeared to be a local lad who got the call and wanted a big day out.

Why didn't the Coast Guard have a rep? That seems odd to me for such a major incident, especially as we are ~6 hrs in.

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Eugene Clonan was the guy on Newstalk, probably the same lad on Morning Ireland. He's the coast guard director. And quite possibly knows the crew personally. He sounds more devastated than 'wanting a big day out'.

Remember, up until October the Coast Guard had never lost one of their own while on a mission. Now they've possibly lost 3 (maybe 4) in one incident.

And this in a week where they buried one of their own who died after illness.

d9oiu2wk07blr5 · 14-03-2017 9:46am

ironclaw wrote: »

If it was the guy on Morning Ireland, he was hopeless. He said it was a Scottish trawler, when it was Russian according to the Coast Guy statement. He wasn't prepared and seemed to just make it up as he went along. He shouldn't have been talking on national radio as he appeared to be a local lad who got the call and wanted a big day out.

Why didn't the Coast Guard have a rep? That seems odd to me for such a major incident, especially as we are ~6 hrs in.

He's the acting director of the coastguard at the DoT. I think that people should give him a break in the circumstances tbh.

ironclaw · 14-03-2017 9:47am

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Eugene Clonan was the guy on Newstalk, probably the same lad on Morning Ireland. He's the coast guard director. And quite possibly knows the crew personally. He sounds more devastated than 'wanting a big day out'.

The guy on RTE was Fergus Sweeney to the best of my recollection. I have nothing but respect for the Coast Guard and was in close proximity to the Tramore incident a few years back, hence my interest.

That's absolute nonsense. He answered as best he could. Cathal kept asking him questions that he'd already answered.

I'd respectfully disagree. He answered the questions he wanted to be or thought had been asked, had little technical information and on the whole, wasn't the person RTE should have interviewed in my opinion. And its just that, an opinion.

I don't want to drag the thread, lets get on topic and hope for the best outcome here

Minister · 14-03-2017 9:47am

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

That's absolute nonsense. He answered as best he could. Cathal kept asking him questions that he'd already answered.

You're right. He did his best under the circumstances whilst sounding very upset for his colleagues.

PukkaStukka · 14-03-2017 9:47am

ironclaw wrote: »

If it was the guy on Morning Ireland, he was hopeless. He said it was a Scottish trawler, when it was Russian according to the Coast Guy statement. He wasn't prepared and seemed to just make it up as he went along. He shouldn't have been talking on national radio as he appeared to be a local lad who got the call and wanted a big day out.

Why didn't the Coast Guard have a rep? That seems odd to me for such a major incident, especially as we are ~6 hrs in.

To me, the man almost sounded emotional and he may personally know some of the people involved. These guys are rescuers, not PR gurus.

Duke O Smiley · 14-03-2017 9:48am

Sorry if I am a bit behind here - just hearing this now.

Can't find anything on any radio playbacks but RTE have a clip on twitter of an interview where the speaker says the rescue mission is successful. Is the rescued person also missing at this stage?

lazybones32 · 14-03-2017 9:49am

Donal55 wrote: »

And the same litany 'we dont hold out much hope'.

Very inconsiderate considering families of crewmen probably listening to radio for updates etc.

If the men were in the water for 5 hours, even with life-jackets and protective gear etc; it doesn't look good. When "critical condition" is used for someone pulled from the water, it often means they've retrieved the body and are starting resuscitation - which they will continue for 40mins to 1 hr...but it could be too late.

CaptainR · 14-03-2017 9:49am

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Sorry if I am a bit behind here - just hearing this now.

Can't find anything on any radio playbacks but RTE have a clip on twitter of an interview where the speaker says the rescue mission is successful. Is the rescued person also missing at this stage?

The fisherman made it back on the helicopter that didn't go down. The one that went down was providing top cover.

sjb25 · 14-03-2017 9:49am

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Sorry if I am a bit behind here - just hearing this now.

Can't find anything on any radio playbacks but RTE have a clip on twitter of an interview where the speaker says the rescue mission is successful. Is the rescued person also missing at this stage?

No two helicopters attended the incident one rescued the patient the helicopter that had crashed was providing top cover

ironclaw · 14-03-2017 9:50am

Minister wrote: »

You're right. He did his best under the circumstances whilst sounding very upset for his colleagues.

PukkaStukka wrote: »

To me, the man almost sounded emotional and he may personally know some of the people involved. These guys are rescuers, not PR gurus.

I think we are discussing two different interviews. I'm referring to a journalist @ around 7:20 / 7:30am on RTE 1 Morning Ireland only. Again, I have nothing but respect for these guys and have spent time with CHC in the past.

d9oiu2wk07blr5 · 14-03-2017 9:50am

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Sorry if I am a bit behind here - just hearing this now.

Can't find anything on any radio playbacks but RTE have a clip on twitter of an interview where the speaker says the rescue mission is successful. Is the rescued person also missing at this stage?

The medvac casualty and the crew are safe. Rescue 116 and its three crew who were providing top-cover are missing.

Masala · 14-03-2017 9:50am

ironclaw wrote: »

If it was the guy on Morning Ireland, he was hopeless. He said it was a Scottish trawler, when it was Russian according to the Coast Guy statement. He wasn't prepared and seemed to just make it up as he went along. He shouldn't have been talking on national radio as he appeared to be a local lad who got the call and wanted a big day out.

Why didn't the Coast Guard have a rep? That seems odd to me for such a major incident, especially as we are ~6 hrs in.

That's unfair I feel. The priority is the rescue of 116.... It is not possible to sit everyone down and get all the facts lined up.

jones 19 · 14-03-2017 9:55am

Very unprofessional by the head of the coast guard on Newstalk earlier .

arubex · 14-03-2017 9:56am

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Remember, up until October the Coast Guard had never lost one of their own while on a mission. Now they've possibly lost 3 (maybe 4) in one incident.

The heli crews are CHC personnel, not Coastguard.

Green Peter · 14-03-2017 9:57am

I'm sickened, my thoughts and prayers are with the families and colleagues

knucklehead6 · 14-03-2017 10:01am

arubex wrote: »

The heli crews are CHC personnel, not Coastguard.

Fair point. But they still work closely with the CG and Clonan possibly does know the crew.

We have a guy who doesn't work for my employers, but is on site here with us everyday. I was at his wedding. If something happened him i'd be upset too, whether he's a direct colleague or not

Stheno · 14-03-2017 10:02am

What is the CHC?

knucklehead6 · 14-03-2017 10:03am

Stheno wrote: »

What is the CHC?

Contractor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHC_Helicopter

January · 14-03-2017 10:04am

jones 19 wrote: »

Very unprofessional by the head of the coast guard on Newstalk earlier .

That's a bit much as someone else said he possibly knows these guys personally and has to put out interviews at a time when he's worried for colleagues. No wonder he was a mess.

Cessna_Pilot · 14-03-2017 10:13am

Shocking and deeply saddening news to wake up to this morning. Heard the lads head off in the very early hours this morning as they departed Dublin.

Some of the comments on here are worthy of the Journal ffs some people need a bit of cop on/compassion.

Pinch Flat · 14-03-2017 10:15am

Thoughts with the crew and their families. The work these guys do is unreal.

jimbis · 14-03-2017 10:22am

Air Corp Casa seems the be returning to Dublin.

I'm actually in shock with the news. I've met and chatted with most of the crew and not only are they amazing brave lifesavers but they are just genuinely lovely nice people.

LXFlyer · 14-03-2017 10:25am

ironclaw wrote: »

If it was the guy on Morning Ireland, he was hopeless. He said it was a Scottish trawler, when it was Russian according to the Coast Guy statement. He wasn't prepared and seemed to just make it up as he went along. He shouldn't have been talking on national radio as he appeared to be a local lad who got the call and wanted a big day out.

Why didn't the Coast Guard have a rep? That seems odd to me for such a major incident, especially as we are ~6 hrs in.

I think that you are being rather harsh. The guy interviewed was a locally based journalist/photographer who broke the story overnight on twitter.

He would not have all of the technical info nor would I expect him to, and I think perhaps Cathal MacCoille was asking questions that were a little unreasonable in terms of what he would be expected to know.

The director of the Coast Guard gave a full interview after 08:00 with much more technical and informed information.

Given that the incident took place overnight, the time lapse before an official statement/interview was made isn't that surprising, and as well as that full internal incident meetings/briefings would have to take place first, along with getting support vessels and aircraft on site, and as mentioned families alerted too.

Our thoughts need to be with the crew, their families and all who work in the emergency services at this stage who do tremendous work 24/7, and not on a sideshow criticising someone for an interview.

Comhrá · 14-03-2017 10:25am

jones 19 wrote: »

Very unprofessional by the head of the coast guard on Newstalk earlier .

Very unfair and unkind comment. So easy to criticise and condemn from the comfort of your keyboard.

Veloce · 14-03-2017 10:30am

The IAC Casa has returned inland. Probably to refuel. The past track search pattern is incredible, it's covered a huge area in such a short time.

Gaoth Laidir · 14-03-2017 10:31am

ironclaw wrote: »

The guy on RTE was Fergus Sweeney to the best of my recollection. I have nothing but respect for the Coast Guard and was in close proximity to the Tramore incident a few years back, hence my interest.

I'd respectfully disagree. He answered the questions he wanted to be or thought had been asked, had little technical information and on the whole, wasn't the person RTE should have interviewed in my opinion. And its just that, an opinion.

I don't want to drag the thread, lets get on topic and hope for the best outcome here

No, it was Eugene Clonan.

neris · 14-03-2017 10:31am

Very sad to hear would always see the helicopter out around where I live and sail in howth. Hear them on the vhf when training or out on exercise.

Cloudio9 · 14-03-2017 10:34am

One of the rescue helicopters has left the scene and landed at Castlebar hospital in the last half hour so I suspect we'll have another update shortly.

Was tracked at 160 knots which is its maximum speed.

LXFlyer · 14-03-2017 10:42am

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

No, it was Eugene Clonan.

Two interviews took place on Morning Ireland - the initial one with local photographer Fergus Sweeney and the second with Eugene Clonan.

But again this is really irrelevant in terms of the bigger picture here.

arubex · 14-03-2017 10:42am

CASA 253 returning to Baldonnel at 09:40.

Mint Sauce · 14-03-2017 10:42am

Listen to the news to date on Newstalk. This is heartbreaking stuff.

Minister · 14-03-2017 10:45am

Eugene Clonans real empathy makes what is happening more 'real' and heartbreaking than the usual corporate robots usually wheeled out by agencies/corporations etc.

sjb25 · 14-03-2017 10:45am

Lads does it really matter who said what for god sake interviews shouldn't be done untill all facts are known really but in this day and age people NEED to know straight away so all kinds of info ends up being circulated which is not fair on anybody as they don't even know exactly what is going on so give both the guys a break on the big scheme of things today does it really matter that much

The Veteran · 14-03-2017 10:50am

As someone who works in the airport and can see across the Apron to where this aircraft is based and as someone who lives close to the coast; every time I see the helicopter go up or overhead I spare a thought for whoever needs them. Again as someone who sees the safety practices in action at the airport for aircraft everyday, I know everyone takes safety and their work very seriously. These guys go up in the air and go into storms etc when no-one else will; they fly aircraft to the limits to help others.

Thoughts are with the crew, their colleagues and families.

Mint Sauce · 14-03-2017 10:57am

Minister wrote: »

Eugene Clonans real empathy makes what is happening more 'real' and heartbreaking than the usual corporate robots usually wheeled out by agencies/corporations etc.

I think also, when it involves your own countrymen, it adds to the heartbreak, it feels much closer to home.

Fabio · 14-03-2017 10:59am

The Veteran wrote: »

As someone who works in the airport and can see across the Apron to where this aircraft is based and as someone who lives close to the coast; every time I see the helicopter go up or overhead I spare a thought for whoever needs them. Again as someone who sees the safety practices in action at the airport for aircraft everyday, I know everyone takes safety and their work very seriously. These guys go up in the air and go into storms etc when no-one else will; they fly aircraft to the limits to help others.

Thoughts are with the crew, their colleagues and families.

So that others may live.

Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

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