Heavyweight Boxing

walshb · 09-12-2019 12:41pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

He wouldn't dare fight Usyk like that , I think he would try and blast him out ,

I also think he will 100% not take that fight next , he will want to see Usyk fight another top heavy weight first so he can get a game plan right for him ,

He got the game plan wrong for the first Ruiz fight and he won't want to make that mistake again,

If AJ is real champ/killer he shouldn’t need any gameplan to KO a blown up CW, who isn’t a puncher...

Can you imagine a Tyson or Lewis thinking this way..

yourdeadwright · 09-12-2019 1:06pm

walshb wrote: »

If AJ is real champ/killer he shouldn’t need any gameplan to KO a blown up CW, who isn’t a puncher...

Can you imagine a Tyson or Lewis thinking this way..

Tyson lost twice to a blow up CW champion in Evander

Same Evander drew with Lewis , weighed 215 lbs in the first Tyson fight and the first Lewis fight,
Same weight as Usyk weighed in his first heavy weight fight,

walshb · 09-12-2019 1:12pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Tyson lost twice to a blow up CW champion in Evander

AJ is 240-250 lbs...A monster sized HW

Usyk isn’t remotely the fighter that Holyfield was...

Anyway, Tyson and Holyfield fought when both past their best days...and both a lot naturally closer in size to each other than AJ and Usyk.

Bringing them up here has no relevance whatsoever...

Plan to beat Usyk? How about this: go in, knock him out. Go home...

yourdeadwright · 09-12-2019 1:29pm

walshb wrote: »

AJ is 240-250 lbs...A monster sized HW

Usyk isn’t remotely the fighter that Holyfield was...

Anyway, Tyson and Holyfield fought when both past their best days...and both a lot naturally closer in size to each other than AJ and Usyk.

Bringing them up here has no relevance whatsoever...

Plan to beat Usyk? How about this: go in, knock him out. Go home...

You brought them up ?
You literally asked what would Tyson or Lewis do against a blown up CW,

Holyfield and Usyk where both unified champions when they came up so good comparison

Holyfield beat Tyson twice weighed the same as Uysk 215lbs the first time,

Drew with Lewis who weighed 245lbs v Holyfeild 215lbs in there fist fight,

I just answered your question that's all.

walshb · 09-12-2019 1:38pm

And did Tyson and Lewis have to fret about it? No, they just got in and fought..

Holyfield was a full HW when he met Tyson. Very close in size..both past it.

You seem to be implying that the “undisputed” champion of the world, at his peak, and 240-250 lbs needs to wait and see, and come up with a game plan to beat a blown up CW who isn’t at all a puncher...

If this is what AJ does, then it is kind of pathetic from a fighter point of view...

I asked can you imagine Lewis or Tyson having to plan and really think before stepping in the ring with Usyk. Pathetic. Both would step in, and destroy him...

MD1990 · 09-12-2019 1:41pm

Usyk was outboxed by Bellew for much of there fight.

Joshua,Wilder & Fury would knock him out.

If anything I dont think Uysk would want to face Joshua yet. He needs to fight someone like Chisora first.

walshb · 09-12-2019 1:48pm

Actually, scrap Lewis and Tyson..

Do you reckon Wilder, at 220 lbs needs to stop and think and plan, and wait until he builds up the balls to step in with Usyk?

I must be missing something with this Usyk lad, who has done nothing at HW, and whose best wins are v Bredis and Gassiev at 200 lbs..

yourdeadwright · 09-12-2019 1:48pm

walshb wrote: »

And did Tyson and Lewis have to fret about it? No, they just got in and fought..

Holyfield was a full HW when he met Tyson. Very close in size..both past it.

You seem to be implying that the “undisputed” champion of the world, at his peak, and 240-250 lbs needs to wait and see, and come up with a game plan to beat a blown up CW who isn’t at all a puncher...

If this is what AJ does, then it is kind of pathetic from a fighter point of view...

I asked can you imagine Lewis or Tyson having to plan and really think before stepping in the ring with Usyk. Pathetic. Both would step in, and destroy him...

Who said anything about fretting ?

Yes I am saying he needs to come up with a game plan or he could be outboxed and beaten,

This is the same man who didn't have a game plan v Ruiz the nobody and got ko'd and when he had a game plan the second time he won ,,

We all literally just seen on Saturday night the difference between having a good game plan and not having ne or at least not sticking to one,

yourdeadwright · 09-12-2019 1:51pm

walshb wrote: »

Actually, scrap Lewis and Tyson..

Do you reckon Wilder, at 220 lbs needs to stop and think and plan, and wait until he builds up the balls to step in with Usyk?

I must be missing something with this Usyk lad, who has done nothing at HW, and whose best wins are v Bredis and Gassiev at 200 lbs..

Same Widler who changed his game plan two weeks ago to fight Ortiz for the second time,

Yes it ended with a right hand again but he boxed him completely different than the first fight , This time he waited and waited and threw nothing like the volume from the first fight , He had a different "game plan"

walshb · 09-12-2019 1:55pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Who said anything about fretting ?

Yes I am saying he needs to come up with a game plan or he could be outboxed and beaten,

This is the same man who didn't have a game plan v Ruiz the nobody and got ko'd and when he had a game plan the second time he won ,,

We all literally just seen on Saturday night the difference between having a good game plan and not having ne or at least not sticking to one,

I know. I was just exaggerating a bit for debate.

Not getting at you, but do you not see the sadness of it, if it was what AJ was thinking and doing?

Get the fook in, and knock the lad out. You are supposed to be D baddest man on the planet...

How much thought and time and planning do you need to go in to try knock out a man 30-40 lbs lighter than you?!!!

selectamatic · 09-12-2019 1:57pm

Usyk wasn't outboxed by Bellew for most of the fight.

Rds1-3 were close as Usyk figured out what Bellew was about. These rounds probably went to Bellew.

From there on Usyk took over picked him apart and pounced on him when he tired.

On the Aj point personally I don't think we'll ever see the careless destructive monster AJ in a boxing ring again. It was fine in his early career, just show up smash a lad and job done.

Now there's too much to lose and the opponents will be just that bit good enough that he'll have something to think about. So all fights will be carefully planned out beforehand.

No way he goes gung ho and risks gassing against a supremely fit Usyk.

He'll be the aggressor but it'll be methodical.

walshb · 09-12-2019 1:57pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Same Widler who changed his game plan two weeks ago to fight Ortiz for the second time,

Yes it ended with a right hand again but he boxed him completely different than the first fight , This time he waited and waited and threw nothing like the volume from the first fight , He had a different "game plan"

That’s Ortiz. A naturally hard hitting HW...

I am talking about a blown up CW, who is not a hitter..

dougm1970 · 09-12-2019 2:08pm

walshb wrote: »

How much thought and time and planning do you need to go in to try knock out a man 30-40 lbs lighter than you?!!!

lets take the joshua of takem fight....and the wilder of fury fight....

254 lbs vs 212 lbs

not much thought and time needed ?

Mike9832 · 09-12-2019 2:08pm

walshb wrote: »

And did Tyson and Lewis have to fret about it? No, they just got in and fought..

Holyfield was a full HW when he met Tyson. Very close in size..both past it.

You seem to be implying that the “undisputed” champion of the world, at his peak, and 240-250 lbs needs to wait and see, and come up with a game plan to beat a blown up CW who isn’t at all a puncher...

If this is what AJ does, then it is kind of pathetic from a fighter point of view...

I asked can you imagine Lewis or Tyson having to plan and really think before stepping in the ring with Usyk. Pathetic. Both would step in, and destroy him...

Watched that fight yesterday on youtube ( Holy vs Tyson ) and highlights of ( Tyson vs Lewis )

The shape of them 3 was phenomenal, ripped muscle, huge traps, thick legs, low body fat, kept going and going at high pace, proper athletes

Put's all the guys of today to shame, even Joshua/Wilder who are in phenomenal physcial shape but are gasping for air at any decent tempo and they were all well into 30's then

Some will says peds were rife then and easy to get in shape on dbol, but I think they trained harder as well, the guys today like Whyte/Miller who were on peds still looked like **** on them and are a joke of them

Always thought Tyson was beaten badly by Lewis, but he gave him serious problems in the 1st few rounds, if he was a little quicker he would have got him out there

walshb · 09-12-2019 2:18pm

dougm1970 wrote: »

lets take the joshua of takem fight....and the wilder of fury fight....

254 lbs vs 212 lbs

not much thought and time needed ?

Simple shootout that one...

Who lands heavy first likely the winner..

But, absolutely yes, little more thought and planning needed. Wilder is a far deadlier and riskier foe compared to Usyk..

squinn2912 · 09-12-2019 5:40pm

Usyk has looked very good at CW. He has fought one fight at HW and it was a stinker. He didn't look especially powerful or fast for someone who is meant to be so wonderful. He's a colorful character and I like him but I don't get the fuss in terms of HW. I think Chisora would give him a lot of trouble. What would the top guys do? Hammer him. I see it going badly wrong for him. The one caveat I have is that I fully expected Povetkin to walk through Hunter. Hunter did well, despite looking very vulnerable for lots of periods. A younger Povetkin would have ripped him apart. I don't know if you can say Hunter can take HW power. I think anyone on their game will ko him and that's that. He'd be better off at CW if he wants belts. Usyk didn't get rid of Hunter so I don't think his power will be influential at the big end. I expect that when he eventually gets a go at one of the real contenders then he will look good for 2-3 rounds and then they'll bully him about, get some body shots in and take the legs from him. Then it's a big KO similar to Kahn against Canelo. Canelo is a super boxer and these big guys aren't but Canelo didn't need to be super to get to Kahn. What I thinkUsyk is hoping for is the break up of the belts and then he can pick up a scrap like Charles Martin and he'll have 'done it,' similar to Jones Jr or Haye… beat a crap HW for a belt and 'make history' but hollow enough history. How's that for a rant on the futility of human endeavor?

yourdeadwright · 09-12-2019 5:50pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

Usyk has looked very good at CW. He has fought one fight at HW and it was a stinker. He didn't look especially powerful or fast for someone who is meant to be so wonderful. He's a colorful character and I like him but I don't get the fuss in terms of HW. I think Chisora would give him a lot of trouble. What would the top guys do? Hammer him. I see it going badly wrong for him. The one caveat I have is that I fully expected Povetkin to walk through Hunter. Hunter did well, despite looking very vulnerable for lots of periods. A younger Povetkin would have ripped him apart. I don't know if you can say Hunter can take HW power. I think anyone on their game will ko him and that's that. He'd be better off at CW if he wants belts. Usyk didn't get rid of Hunter so I don't think his power will be influential at the big end. I expect that when he eventually gets a go at one of the real contenders then he will look good for 2-3 rounds and then they'll bully him about, get some body shots in and take the legs from him. Then it's a big KO similar to Kahn against Canelo. Canelo is a super boxer and these big guys aren't but Canelo didn't need to be super to get to Kahn. What I thinkUsyk is hoping for is the break up of the belts and then he can pick up a scrap like Charles Martin and he'll have 'done it,' similar to Jones Jr or Haye… beat a crap HW for a belt and 'make history' but hollow enough history. How's that for a rant on the futility of human endeavor?

I reckon he has more power than people think, plus he will only grow stronger the longer he is at heavy weight,

Lets not forget what he done to Bellew,
He took his time with Bellew and then sparked him only Super man Stevenson has done that to Bellew before and that was at light heavy when Tony was a skeleton of a man ,

yourdeadwright · 09-12-2019 5:51pm

walshb wrote: »

Simple shootout that one...

Who lands heavy first likely the winner..

But, absolutely yes, little more thought and planning needed. Wilder is a far deadlier and riskier foe compared to Usyk..

Wilder is the most dangerous by along shot

Lets be fair that fight aint happing until Wilder loses , Hearn will not risk AJ v Wilder while Wilder is in his prime,

selectamatic · 09-12-2019 6:28pm

Usyk vs Whittaker wasn't that bad a fight at all imo.

Usyk going easy enough for 2 rounds then slowly ramping it up as the rounds ticked by. Took some shots to land some but seemed content to do that. I've no doubt he'll be more cagey against the heavier hitters but he's well able to move when he has to.

Whittaker was pulled by his corner because he was on the cusp of getting a woeful beating for the remaining rounds. I've a strong belief he'd have been ko'd or tko'd.

It's not true HW power from Usyk but it's enough to do damage especially when you factor in the fact that as of yet the man has showed he simply doesn't tire.

squinn2912 · 09-12-2019 6:29pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I reckon he has more power than people think, plus he will only grow stronger the longer he is at heavy weight,

Lets not forget what he done to Bellew,
He took his time with Bellew and then sparked him only Super man Stevenson has done that to Bellew before and that was at light heavy when Tony was a skeleton of a man ,

Ah now that’s like basing your opinion on bellew by what he did to haye. Tony was finished then. Very lucky to get a short prime at the end of his career

squinn2912 · 09-12-2019 6:33pm

selectamatic wrote: »

Usyk vs Whittaker wasn't that bad a fight at all imo.

Usyk going easy enough for 2 rounds then slowly ramping it up as the rounds ticked by. Took some shots to land some but seemed content to do that. I've no doubt he'll be more cagey against the heavier hitters but he's well able to move when he has to.

Whittaker was pulled by his corner because he was on the cusp of getting a woeful beating for the remaining rounds. I've a strong belief he'd have been ko'd or tko'd.

It's not true HW power from Usyk but it's enough to do damage especially when you factor in the fact that as of yet the man has showed he simply doesn't tire.

Hell tire quickly enough when there’s 18 1/2 stone pushing against him. Thing is there’s probably enough crap hanging around the hw division for him to gobble up. From his point of view there’s nothing for him at cw

selectamatic · 09-12-2019 6:44pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

Hell tire quickly enough when there’s 18 1/2 stone pushing against him. Thing is there’s probably enough crap hanging around the hw division for him to gobble up. From his point of view there’s nothing for him at cw

Maybe but he's shown zero sign of tiring yet. So maybe he won't tire from a bit of man handling, so then his bigger opponents will be looking to ko him or slow him with powerful shots but if that fails too they are gonna be entering into Usyks preferred hunting ground of the latter rounds with him still there being a nuisance so it may not be plain sailing at all.

But yes I agree there was nothing left at CW and he's here in the HW division to make money but he doesn't strike me as a character that has much quit in him so while he's here it won't be just to make up the numbers.

fonecrusher1 · 10-12-2019 12:54am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Wilder is the most dangerous by along shot

Lets be fair that fight aint happing until Wilder loses , Hearn will not risk AJ v Wilder while Wilder is in his prime,

+1

Hearn almost lost his golden goose and Sky have their HW money maker back. No way in hell they're going to dare put him in the ring with a genuine threat for at least a year.

normanoffside · 10-12-2019 1:01am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Wilder is the most dangerous by along shot

Lets be fair that fight aint happing until Wilder loses , Hearn will not risk AJ v Wilder while Wilder is in his prime,

Let’s say Wilder loses to Fury. Even less chance he fights AJ as he’ll still be the same risk but no reward.

squinn2912 · 10-12-2019 1:03am

normanoffside wrote: »

Let’s say Wilder loses to Fury. Even less chance he fights AJ as he’ll still be the same risk but no reward.

Joshua will fight pulev next and get a mid to late ko. They’ll big up pulev as something he’s not. I wouldn’t be surprised to see an even easier opponent either. They’ll want a ko

dougm1970 · 10-12-2019 1:45am

pulev is no joke all the same...a.j. has been exposed, we seen in this newer edition of himself, as impressive as his movement and jab was for him, that he's looking afraid of getting tagged....in my eyes this could equal up a joshua v pulev fight a lot more than before the ruiz fights.

yourdeadwright · 10-12-2019 10:52am

dougm1970 wrote: »

pulev is no joke all the same...a.j. has been exposed, we seen in this newer edition of himself, as impressive as his movement and jab was for him, that he's looking afraid of getting tagged....in my eyes this could equal up a joshua v pulev fight a lot more than before the ruiz fights.

Taking nothing from AJ performance as it was an easy win was,

In range Ruiz stayed calm and dodged shots in the pocket AJ stil looked more uncomfortable than I'd ever seen him , hand up and panic when Ruiz was close, The problem was Ruiz couldn't get close often enough,

I think AJ will find it hard to go back to his old style now being Ko'd seems to put the ****s up him ,

squinn2912 · 10-12-2019 12:33pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Taking nothing from AJ performance as it was an easy win was,

In range Ruiz stayed calm and dodged shots in the pocket AJ stil looked more uncomfortable than I'd ever seen him , hand up and panic when Ruiz was close, The problem was Ruiz couldn't get close often enough,

I think AJ will find it hard to go back to his old style now being Ko'd seems to put the ****s up him ,

It did look a bit like that but I think he'll get braver after he's had a few fights. I'd expect 1-2 underwhelming opponents and he'll get back on the KO. TBF he was fighting against the bloke who beat him to a pulp 6 months ago. He would have been afraid and rightly so. I'm not frustrated with AJ but with Ruiz. He really let himself down a bagful. Doesn't deserve to even make a big fight unless he gets fitter. If he'd turned up like that for the first fight even the way AJ fought then I think he'd have been KO'd

yourdeadwright · 10-12-2019 1:06pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

It did look a bit like that but I think he'll get braver after he's had a few fights. I'd expect 1-2 underwhelming opponents and he'll get back on the KO. TBF he was fighting against the bloke who beat him to a pulp 6 months ago. He would have been afraid and rightly so. I'm not frustrated with AJ but with Ruiz. He really let himself down a bagful. Doesn't deserve to even make a big fight unless he gets fitter. If he'd turned up like that for the first fight even the way AJ fought then I think he'd have been KO'd

I agree AJ did the job and fair play to him
Ruiz should be ashamed of himself, he really let himself down big time,

There is simply no excuse for ill discipline in a sport that is about how you physically prepare ,Probably why he never made much waves before the first fight m

squinn2912 · 10-12-2019 1:26pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I agree AJ did the job and fair play to him
Ruiz should be ashamed of himself, he really let himself down big time,

There is simply no excuse for ill discipline in a sport that is about how you physically prepare ,Probably why he never made much waves before the first fight m

Yea that's it. He probably had his 'one night' and I don't think we'll ever see the same guy again. He got a lucky punch that completely altered the fight. It was well thrown of course and then after that he battered a guy with no punch resistance left. One thing about him he can really take a dig. On fight night he is as game as they come but that's no good at the top level. I would like to see him now fight someone like Ortiz or Povetkin if he fights on. On Povetkin, I did fear for his safety the other night. A harder hitter than Hunter and he could have been in real trouble. He was staggering around looking very vulnerable. He had a bit of an off night and Hunter really put it on him early. Risky but intelligent tactics. Other than that Ruiz needs to show that he really wants it. He'd have NO bother coming in at 18.5 stone and with those hands and an added bit of footwork he'd be a handful for anyone.

squinn2912 · 13-12-2019 10:00pm

HW show on BT Sport now Nick Webb is to next dire so far gonna stomach the other two qfs and if it’s not better it’s off!

squinn2912 · 13-12-2019 11:52pm

“I think both Webb and eh, eh... (Bennett) are both quite experienced so I think the best man will win”
In-depth contribution from Amir Kahn. Think this guy is getting dimmer by the day. Crolla speaking too and he’s saving it. Steve Bunce stealing a living with tone as usual

eagle eye · 14-12-2019 12:26am

I must be the only one here who was impressed by AJ against Ruiz.
He spent that whole fight moving like a middleweight, his level of fitness was above I think anybody I've ever seen before in all my years watching heavyweight boxing. I don't think Wilder could live with that, obviously he'd have a chance if he could get to AJ but I think he would find it very hard. Also AJ took, some shots in that fight and took them very well I thought.
Fury vs AJ would be interesting I think.

BDI · 14-12-2019 1:13am

eagle eye wrote: »

I must be the only one here who was impressed by AJ against Ruiz.
He spent that whole fight moving like a middleweight, his level of fitness was above I think anybody I've ever seen before in all my years watching heavyweight boxing. I don't think Wilder could live with that, obviously he'd have a chance if he could get to AJ but I think he would find it very hard. Also AJ took, some shots in that fight and took them very well I thought.
Fury vs AJ would be interesting I think.

It’s easy to move like a middleweight when you are being chased by a fella who has been eating silk pyjamas.

walshb · 14-12-2019 11:11am

I was impressed with AJ, even if I criticised his overall kind of negativity and fear...

But BDIs post stands, for me!

eagle eye · 14-12-2019 11:21am

BDI wrote:

Itâ€™s easy to move like a middleweight when you are being chased by a fella who has been eating silk pyjamas.

No, it doesn't matter what the opponent is like, no way Wilder would be able to keep up that pace. He gets tired without even doing much.

walshb · 14-12-2019 11:35am

Wilder wouldn’t have needed to keep up any pace. He would have given it a “real” go and knocked that blimp clean out!

eagle eye · 14-12-2019 12:01pm

I don't think he'd get near him.
Also AJ took some shots and they didn't bother him. He looked much looser than I've ever seen him and I'm sure that helped a lot as regards taking shots.

BDI · 14-12-2019 12:19pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't think he'd get near him.
Also AJ took some shots and they didn't bother him. He looked much looser than I've ever seen him and I'm sure that helped a lot as regards taking shots.

Ah here, the AJ bobbed and moved around a chap who didn’t come off his heels for more than 3 seconds at a time. Now he is some sort of Powerful Tyson Fury with a granite chin.

His jab is slow and robotic at times (see round two)

Anytime he got hit he got hurt and got back behind the jab.

The only reason wilder won’t get near him is because he will not fight him. He will stay behind his jab, behind Eddie Hearn, behind Sky Sport propaganda and right behind a few mandatories.

Wilder would beat the fight out of him in two rounds I reckon.

selectamatic · 14-12-2019 1:20pm

The point about wilders stamina is pretty valid.

He really doesn't seem to cope well when he has to actively seek out his opponent round after round. Thing is we never really see him in this situation.

Personally I felt his cardio looked pretty poor in the Fury fight for a man who weighed in light with zero excess muscle or fat. Although there were rumours of an illness.

BDI · 14-12-2019 1:25pm

selectamatic wrote: »

The point about wilders stamina is pretty valid.

He really doesn't seem to cope well when he has to actively seek out his opponent round after round. Thing is we never really see him in this situation.

Personally I felt his cardio looked pretty poor in the Fury fight for a man who weighed in light with zero excess muscle or fat. Although there were rumours of an illness.

I recall him still having knockout power in the final rounds. The man is a sprinter not a 10000 metre runner. Explosive fitness.

selectamatic · 14-12-2019 1:30pm

He'll always have knockout power but he still looked pretty tired.

After the 12th rd knockdown Fury was actually the more active of the 2 for the remainder of the round.

Maybe if Wilder had a bit more of a 10000 meter runner in him he'd have been able to keep more pressure on Fury and get him down again.

BDI · 14-12-2019 1:35pm

He drew over 12 rounds with the jab and run heavyweight specialist of the last ten years and the arguement is aj will adopt this jab and run technique and use it to beat him with fitness because we have never seen Wilder have to chase anybody over 12 rounds.

What really upsets me is if Fury beats wilder in the rematch we will have to sit through Fury and Aj both standing in their own corners for 12 rounds with their guard up.

NewMan1982 · 14-12-2019 1:38pm

BDI wrote: »

He drew over 12 rounds with the jab and run heavyweight specialist of the last ten years and the arguement is aj will adopt this jab and run technique and use it to beat him with fitness because we have never seen Wilder have to chase anybody over 12 rounds.

What really upsets me is if Fury beats wilder in the rematch we will have to sit through Fury and Aj both standing in their own corners for 12 rounds with their guard up.

Fury will occasionally put his hands behind his back

normanoffside · 14-12-2019 1:40pm

NewMan1982 wrote: »

Fury will occasionally put his hands behind his back

He might stick out his tongue too.

Morrison J · 14-12-2019 9:57pm

Wilder's stamina is one of his biggest strengths. No other heavyweight can load up on shots for 12 rounds (and find nothing but air a lot of the time) and still carry his one punch KO power into the 12th round. He's got plenty of faults but stamina isn't one of them.

US2 · 15-12-2019 2:38am

How ye see this playing out lads, fury wilder in jan, will aj relax till Sept to fight the winner? Will whyte fight again before that if so against who?

The heavyweight division might not be as competitive as it was 20,30 years ago but its definitely interesting. Would love fury v Joshua more than joshua wilder? I do think AJ loses to both wilder and fury but I'm desperate to see him fight fury.

US2 · 15-12-2019 2:41am

I'm too young to remember the golden age of heavyweights, have seen all the big fights alright, but how competitive and deep was the division back then?

Say now its between 3, fury wilder aj

Mid 90s it was Tyson Lewis holyfield

Not sure about 80s?

70s Foreman Ali Frazier

60s Liston, Ali, Cooper?

Dont attack me, educate me.

BDI · 15-12-2019 1:01pm

I think they are just kept away from each other too much. Ruiz and Ortiz should really have been in the mix earlier.
I was watching Ortiz and wilder 2 this morning and Ortiz still looked good going forward at his age. I think it’s a competitive generation that lacks top level quality.

All the boxers of this time have obvious weaknesses. Which is good because all of the boxers can cause each other problems.

It’s much better than the ten years of Klitchsko anyway.

I’d like to see Ortiz v Fury and Ruiz v wilder, I’ve given up hoping for wilder Joshua. Even white v wilder would be worth staying up for.

walshb · 15-12-2019 3:02pm

Fury and Davison part ways!

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