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P2P Lending

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,404 ✭✭✭✭sKeith


    Lazy Bhoy wrote: »
    Thank you for your reply.


    So, by Oct 31 2020 I fill out a form 12 declaring any Mintos income from May 2019 to Dec 31 2019?


    Then in Oct 2021 I do the same for Jan 2020 to Dec 2020


    Is that how it works?

    By Oct. you can do it much earlier.


  • Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭Lazy Bhoy


    sKeith wrote: »
    By Oct. you can do it much earlier.


    How much earlier?


    When do the Revenue post the form 12 to cover earnings for 2019?


    There are none online at the moment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭FFVII


    Lazy Bhoy wrote: »
    How much earlier?


    When do the Revenue post the form 12 to cover earnings for 2019?


    There are none online at the moment.

    January


  • Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭Lazy Bhoy


    FFVII wrote: »
    January


    Thanks, I will leave it until January so. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭Shelflife


    Don’t be in such a rush to pay revenue ! If say you owe €1000 to revenue, If you pay them in jan you lose your ability to invest .

    Instead invest the €1000 for 9mths make say €75 and then pay revenue.


  • Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭Lazy Bhoy


    Shelflife wrote: »
    Don’t be in such a rush to pay revenue ! If say you owe €1000 to revenue, If you pay them in jan you lose your ability to invest .

    Instead invest the €1000 for 9mths make say €75 and then pay revenue.


    Haha I never though about it that way.



    That sounds even better.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40 P2PBanking.com


    Latest discussion on links/connection between Mintos loan originators
    https://www.p2p-kredite.com/diskussion/mintos-related-loan-originatorsverbind-zwischen-anbahnern-t7036.html (German forum, but this discussion is in english language)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    Some good investigative work done in that thread^


  • Registered Users Posts: 37 Katawalah


    Quick question about Grupeer, I've signed up recently and now looking to add funds for the first time. I'm quite confused that they offer 3 different bank accounts. I don't see the point really as other platforms just offer 1 bank account and it works fine.

    Has anyone noticed a difference transferring funds to one account or the other? For example : longer processing time, unexpected fees, etc. ?

    Thanks,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    @Katawalah I just picked the first one on the list. Grupeer support say it is to give you more than one option. :confused:

    Mintos - I see Rapido Finance looks to be done Mintos blog link. Anyone get stung?

    And nice to see that new Dinero loans will have delayed interest payments.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    @Katawalah I just picked the first one on the list. Grupeer support say it is to give you more than one option. :confused:

    Mintos - I see Rapido Finance looks to be done Mintos blog link. Anyone get stung?

    And nice to see that new Dinero loans will have delayed interest payments.

    Thankfully not. But always worrying to see LO going to the wall. Thats 2 now (Eurocent & Rapido) plus whatever the hell is happening at Aforti :confused:

    I hope Mintos is not chasing growth at the expense of proper due diligence.

    I am still fairly heavily invested in Mintos ..... but with every problem my confidence takes a hit.




    On a different note p2p lending Volume for Oct just published

    https://www.p2p-banking.com/tag/loan-volume/

    surprised that DoFinance is only up 9% Month on Month (I expected it to be up maybe 100%)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    I reached out to DoFinance about the recent promotion. They will not be bringing it back in the short term. Also, the lack of loans should be addressed in the next few days with all investment portfolios back fully invested soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭bcklschaps


    I reached out to DoFinance about the recent promotion. They will not be bringing it back in the short term. Also, the lack of loans should be addressed in the next few days with all investment portfolios back fully invested soon.

    They told me that too on 30 Oct. I'm still not fully invested. :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭FFVII


    plus whatever the hell is happening at Aforti :confused:
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    Tip of the iceberg, Minton's seems to have no power if originator doesn't pay.

    +

    Unclear what claim an investor has in a loan - Originator goes belly up but loan still exists, so investor should have claim in administration but seems not so...Minto's is not P2P but rather P2B.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    bcklschaps wrote: »
    They told me that too on 30 Oct. I'm still not fully invested. :(

    Same here, slow to get fully invested after I threw a few quid in during the recent bonus promotion.


    EDIT : Now fully invested on DoFinance .... hurray :-)


  • Registered Users Posts: 40 P2PBanking.com


    Problems at Mintos loan originator Metrokredit. Announcement and some digging and opinion by investors
    https://www.p2p-kredite.com/diskussion/viewtopic,p,128804.html#128804


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    Thanks for that update. I had a few Metrokredit, Sebo and Dinero loans that I sold off quickly enough at -0.1%. All were gone within a few minutes.

    I also got rid of the few Dozarplati loans I had as ~ 90% of their loans are now late.

    Edit: got rid of the Dinero and Sebo just in case too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭Shelflife


    Thanks for the heads up, I had nothing in Metro and was getting out of Dinero anyway but I got rid of them at a small discount.

    I also got out of Dozerplati as well as Sebo .

    Ive turned off my auto invest for the weekend until the dust settles as well.

    I used to have a secondary market autoinvest but shut it off as I felt that you could easily pick up a lot of rubbish being dumped there if you werent on the ball.

    This just shows how important it is to share a bit of knowledge with each other.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭FFVII


    Whats up with sebo and Dozarplati?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    90% of Dozarplati loans are late according to the stats page.

    Sebo appears to be part of the same group as Dinero and MetroKredit. Metro in a bit of trouble in Russia. Have a read of the thread posted by Claus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,402 ✭✭✭sk8board


    Mintos - I noticed this morning my auto invest had cash drag again, and sure enough i had to adjust down again to 9.5% to clear it out.

    I know these lulls happen every year, but it feels like 10% is the new 14% in the P2P world.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    Not had too much time lately to review my p2p platforms. A few thoughts recently though:

    The ViaInvest website had a bit of a makeover recently (4/Nov), a font change is all I'm seeing really! Unfortunately I am still seeing cash drag most days. "Currently there are no loans listed"

    Mintos - all eyes on Aforti and MetroKredit at the moment.

    Vientor - Aforti have loans available on Viventor also. Thankfully the few I had I was able to sell when the news broker there was issues with Aforti. Performance on the site has deteriorated over recent months. Loan volumes increasing on the Primary Market, currently about 20k loans, while the Secondary has ~15k.

    Swaper - back to the old days of significant cash drag.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40 P2PBanking.com




  • Registered Users Posts: 40 P2PBanking.com


    New recommended video interview with Bondora CEO Pärtel Tomberg
    https://www.p2p-kredite.com/diskussion/interview-mit-bondora-ceo-paertel-tomberg-von-kolja-und-lars-t7098.html
    in english with german subtitles (EDIT the intro in the video/ first minute or so, is in German language. Just skip through that).


  • Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭Wegian


    When I go to edit mode on my Mintos AutoInvest and go to show available loans it is showing loans available, however the system is not auto investing for me
    Is this working for everyone else?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    How have you set your diversification settings? Is the setting enabled or disabled in the portfolio?


  • Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭Wegian


    How have you set your diversification settings? Is the setting enabled or disabled in the portfolio?

    It’s set as Yes


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭FFVII


    Wegian wrote: »
    When I go to edit mode on my Mintos AutoInvest and go to show available loans it is showing loans available, however the system is not auto investing for me
    Is this working for everyone else?

    That hasn't worked in months...for me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    Sounds like you need to tweak the diversification settings. Under the diversification section, click the link for 'diversification settings' and modify the values for each loan originator.

    The alternative option is to disable the diversification option. Your funds will get invested pretty quickly after it is disabled.

    Wegian wrote: »
    It’s set as Yes


  • Registered Users Posts: 40 P2PBanking.com




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭bcklschaps


    p2p portals seem to be struggling in UK.

    Personally I have no exposure to p2p in the UK, but I wonder is there anything here that we can read accross to European p2p?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,508 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Monego & Iutecredit have had their kosovan banking license revoked, loans from these originators in Kosovo on Mintos are currently suspended - i.e. cant buy and sell.

    Ive only got 30€ in kosovan loans with both these companies, but substantially more in other countries by the same originator - time to offload


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    Got rid of my lutecredit loans just now. But not my Monego loans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭Shelflife


    How did you get rid of them if they’re suspended?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    Not sure, but it let me sell them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,508 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Only the loans in Kosovo are suspended, but both originators offer loans in other countries.
    I was able to get rid of those, stuck with the kosovo ones still though


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭FFVII


    Hmm, ive enough tied up there to nearly wipe out all gains in the 20 months I'm on the site.

    Liquidation proceedings....they are gone?


  • Registered Users Posts: 40 P2PBanking.com




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    I have nothing in Monego

    I do have a large portion of my portfolio with LuteCredit (Albania, & Moldova.....thankfully no exposure to Kosovo) though. Anybody else in the same boat ? If so... what are ye doing ? I wonder is there a danger that the whole of LuteCredit will collapse?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭FFVII


    I have nothing in Monego

    I do have a large portion of my portfolio with LuteCredit (Albania, & Moldova.....thankfully no exposure to Kosovo) though. Anybody else in the same boat ? If so... what are ye doing ? I wonder is there a danger that the whole of LuteCredit will collapse?

    On phone But Iute got cheap ish €20million funding I think it was not long ago. Well rated so one would imagine safe.

    I sold all.

    And am withdrawing all as funds come back.

    This on top of all of the hidden co owned originators is enough now for me.

    To secretive mintos. Bang on about Transparency but are anything but.

    Will take a few months to withdraw all and bye bye.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    FFVII wrote: »
    On phone But Iute got cheap ish €20million funding I think it was not long ago. Well rated so one would imagine safe.

    I sold all.

    And am withdrawing all as funds come back.

    This on top of all of the hidden co owned originators is enough now for me.

    To secretive mintos. Bang on about Transparency but are anything but.

    Will take a few months to withdraw all and bye bye.

    I'm done with mintos for the foreseeable future


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    I have also decided to reduce my investments in Mintos. I've put up a large chunk of the loans for sale today. I'd like to reduce my investments by 50% before the end of the year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    I have also decided to reduce my investments in Mintos. I've put up a large chunk of the loans for sale today. I'd like to reduce my investments by 50% before the end of the year.

    It's twofold while I've decided to pull out
    (1) a recent upsurge in LO'S failing/getting into trouble
    (2) most/all of the recent LO'S to be signed to the site seem like junk tbh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭Shelflife


    Ive stopped my autoinvest on all platforms and started making withdrawals.

    will have another look at it again in the new year but for now im reducing my exposure.

    Fwiw I think the Iute problem is not of their making and it will work itself out but theres just too many glitches and problems lately.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    Following up on my post... I sold ~50% of my Mintos loans today without any discount.
    I have also decided to reduce my investments in Mintos. I've put up a large chunk of the loans for sale today. I'd like to reduce my investments by 50% before the end of the year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭FastFullBack


    What alternatives to Mintos are you guys looking at?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 WunnaYarzar


    Cute Hoor wrote: »
    Property Bridges is a new(ish) platform, 4 completed investments to date, one currently open for €700k, all Irish, all investments returning 7.5% to 8.5% pa so far, all investments secured against property/site. Looks far safer (to me) than LF the way that has gone, min investment €500 per investment.

    Have you lent on Propertybridges, if so, has there been any late payments or defaults?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭brianomc


    Some good news from Mintos regarding the Monego loans. The buyback guarantee has been taken over by another group, Finitera who will step in once payments have been delayed by 60 days.

    Email below:

    Last Friday, December 6, 2019, the Central Bank of Kosovo (CBK) informed Monego about the decision to revoke Monego’s microfinance license, effective immediately. The management team of Monego is working with all involved stakeholders to ensure the collection of customer payments. Monego shareholders are communicating and working with CBK to ensure the renewal of business operations.

    Along with the license being revoked, Monego does not issue new loans. CBK has appointed a liquidator of Monego. The liquidator estimates that the elaboration and approval of a plan for covering creditor’s claims will require at least a month. The approval of the plan is subject to CBK decision.

    Accordingly, last Friday Mintos informed investors that Monego issued loans are no longer present on the Primary and Secondary Markets.

    At this time, the appointed liquidator, as representative of Monego, has the responsibility on behalf of Monego to transfer the received borrowers’ repayments for Monego issued loan investments to Mintos, for Mintos to credit investors accounts accordingly. In the unlikely case when Monego would not make the contractual payments to investors and, as a result - all loans would become late, Finitera as a guarantor will cover scheduled borrower payments to investors having investments in Monego loans once these payments are delayed for 60 days.

    Finitera, an international fintech group operating in four markets with 122 branches employing 718 employees and with a share capital of 8 million EUR, was in the final stage of changing Monego shareholding structure and adding it under Finitera direct ownership. Although the work on reorganization was not finalized and as such Monego is not part of Finitera, Finitera has decided to grant a guarantee for certain obligations that Monego holds towards investors on Mintos.

    Mintos is taking legal measures to claim from Monego monies due to investors on Mintos and has engaged a local law firm in Kosovo for that purpose.

    We thank our investors for their patience while we work with all involved parties for the most suitable solution for this situation. Meanwhile, please contact our Investor Service team in case of additional questions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    Good news. I wonder when Finitera will kick in with buyback for the loans over 60 days late? I have one Monego loan 63 days late.

    Just a final update on my withdrawal process - I ended up reducing my investment in Mintos to less than 20% of what it was a few days ago. All loans sold without a discount and most of the funds have been withdrawn. Funds withdrawn hit my account the next day too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭Shelflife


    Ive stopped all of my autoinvests across the boards.

    Mintos , ive put up all my non current and 12mths + loans up for sale and letting the rest wash out.

    Grupeer and Peerberry and Robo im withdrawing the cash as it matures .

    Viventor and Fastinvest ive withdrawn my initial investment in both and just waiting for the rest to mature/sell then im out of both and wont go back in.

    Estateguru im happy to leave and the same with Envestio as I dont have big funds in either.

    Linked finance im withdrawing the money as it mature and wont go back in there either.

    Longterm I intend on reducing my P2P portfolio, I went in way too hard and thankfully didnt get burnt.

    I will leave a more modest Portfolio in Envestio, Estateguru Peerberry and Grupeer and Robocash and have the rest in Mintos.

    Being honest I prob got a bit greedy and the Iute problem opened my eyes to the downside a bit more.

    Atm ive withdrawn about 25% and will prob only leave about 25% in P2P in the new year.


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