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    #1052
    TheDavester
    Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭TheDavester


    kippy wrote: »
    I don't think it's forgotten TBH - it's very much still in the news......
    The narrative that people are making here is nonsense - Does he like to think of himself as the "Father of the nation"??

    IMO and others, find he likes the attention


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    #1053
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,429 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    TheDavester wrote: »
    IMO and others, find he likes the attention

    What does that actually infer? That he thinks he is "Father of the nation"?
    Give me a break. The man is not perfect but jesus, some of the delusion on here is beyond a joke.

    Now back on thread.


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    #1054
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
    Registered Users Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    I know ZERO of the leaks, and never subbed to OF's and never will. Simple fact is, and it's a fact, OF's is full of 1000's upon 1000's of underage people. Not just in Ireland, but everywhere, places in South America like Columbia , Venezuela, where 1 dollar is a fortune have huge amounts people on there, a lot of them underage.
    It's wrong of you to say that not one leaked photos is from OF's from someone who maybe wasn't of age to be on there.
    We don't know that, but it's likely.

    One dollar in Colombia is far from a fortune. It might buy you a litre of milk and a loaf of bread.


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    #1055
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,468 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    banie01 wrote: »
    So no actual response to the points raised?
    Throw in a bit of moronic reductio and duck out again?

    Perhaps take the questions raised in my post to your source and ask her what your input should be ;)

    I'm confused now - are you saying that it is moronic to conjure up threats of violence from authority figures out of nowhere?


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    #1056
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    I'm confused now - are you saying that it is moronic to conjure up threats of violence from authority figures out of nowhere?

    Police inflicting violence on a minor is far less likely than a parent doing so.
    Particularly after that parent received a random report their child is a child pornographer..
    Or is that beyond your ken?
    It's even more interesting that you have again actually ignored the points and questions raised.

    You have gone from whingeing about which NZ law the kid could be charged under?
    Which funnily enough is quite robust in the jurisdiction the child is alleged to have his crimes.
    To drawing an equivalence between the likelihood of parental violence and police violence.

    Ms Hayden, of the Victims Alliance, if her claim is to be believed.
    Ignored her responsibilities for child safety.
    Ignored her actual legal responsibilities around reporting the child abuse she has claimed exists.
    Ignored the actual legal provisions for bringing the alleged blackmailer, Sexual Image abuser and disseminator of Child Porn to justice and to the attention of the police on his home jurisdiction.
    Ignored the needs of the alleged victims to receive actual justice.

    And for what?
    To make baseless claims on national media.
    Because if the harm's claimed are true, this NZ boy is a child pornographer and an abuser of women.

    But rather than expose him to justice, she told his mother?
    With no knowledge of his family situation, nor of any reprecussion he may have faced or indeed yet face at home?
    If nothing else, a victims rights campaigner, a campaigner for justice, a campaigner against child endangerment...
    Undertook a vigilante effort to doxx a child, to deny her claimed victims actual justice and still...
    There's no proof that the claimed leak actually exists.


    If you can't see the issue with that?
    It's not just your efforts at reductio that are moronic.


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    #1057
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,468 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    banie01 wrote: »
    Police inflicting violence on a minor is far less likely than a parent doing so.
    Particularly after that parent received a random report their child is a child pornographer..
    Or is that beyond your ken?
    It's even more interesting that you have again actually ignored the points and questions raised.

    .

    Really? Are there many cases on record of parents inflicting violence after getting reports that their child is a child pornographer?

    Can I take it that you don't believe that the golfgate dinner actually happened, given that no photos have emerged?


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    #1058
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Really? Are there many cases on record of parents inflicting violence after getting reports that their child is a child pornographer?

    Can I take it that you don't believe that the golfgate dinner actually happened, given that no photos have emerged?

    Care to engage with the rest of the post?
    Care to discuss the child protection and abuse reporting requirements that have been ignored?

    Golfgate had witnesses, attendees and public diaries all showing attendance.
    It even had a table plan.
    It had admission from the hotel that such an event occured and how many attended.
    It further had admissions from many of those in attendance that they attended, they broke the rules and they were wrong.
    There was even a couple of resignations.

    In other words, golfgate had actual evidence, corroboration and even actual people involved owning up.

    You do see the difference don't you? You know what the actual difference between evidenced and unevidenced claims are?

    Which one has Linda Hayden made?

    Who has claimed to have seen this purposes cache of thousands, containing CP?


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    #1059
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Really? Are there many cases on record of parents inflicting violence after getting reports that their child is a child pornographer?

    Just on your query on how likely a child in NZ is to suffer violence from its parents.
    As unlike some I hate to let a question lie unanswered if I can help it.

    Based on this report https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/are-parents-still-smacking-their-kids/TSATJN4W5D6RSO4X4F7XK2275I/ being disciplined violently by a parent is quite common.
    Even so, a decade after the law was changed in New Zealand, a 2017 University of Auckland study found that nearly a third of Kiwi parents smacked their children. Ten per cent admitted doing it frequently.

    Now there are no statistics for NZ police violence against children that I can find.
    So the overall misuse of force stats will have to illustrate the point here.
    Screenshot-2020-11-24-18-32-19-724-com-google-android-apps-docs.jpg
    Not a lot of those stand up to scrutiny. And the rate is quite low.
    Long story short, 10s of 1000s of NZ children are exposed to violent discipline at home.
    Versus not so many beaten by police.


    Now what's even more interesting regarding the claims about the cache of images.
    They are being promulgated by a Twitter account @1month old.
    Screenshot-2020-11-24-18-45-53-887-com-twitter-android.jpg

    The website for the organisation, well take a look www.victimsalliance.ie
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    Interesting isn't it?
    What with it being a placeholder for a non existent site. This crew can't actually run a web server or manage their domain.
    But!
    We are to believe that not only have they infiltrated a group of CP and sexual image abuse predators and file swappers?
    But now their crack IT skills have led them to track down a child involved in sharing the images?
    All within a month?
    In New Zealand, and in complete contravention to victim safety guidelines and indeed child protection guidelines...
    Have doxxed that child to their parents?
    Rather than even attempt to report the harm suffered to NZ police for their investigation?

    As I said a couple of days ago regarding this one.
    Cui bono?


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    #1060
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,468 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    banie01 wrote: »
    Just on your query on how likely a child in NZ is to suffer violence from its parents.
    As unlike some I hate to let a question lie unanswered if I can help it.

    Based on this report https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/are-parents-still-smacking-their-kids/TSATJN4W5D6RSO4X4F7XK2275I/ being disciplined violently by a parent is quite common.
    So that's a No then, no reports ever, anywhere in the world, of children being assaulted as a result of report of child pornography. That's what I was expecting.

    We do have reports of kids being smacked by their parents, and you're now using that to support claims of a 'violent backlash' here. That's some exceptional leap.


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    #1061
    cannotlogin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭cannotlogin


    I struggle with this one. Women uploading nude photos on a site like fans only cannot have it both ways..ie. happy with people looking at their body if they pay me for it but feel volatiled & abused of not paid. Come on, it's a risk they knowingly take.

    Revenge porn is a very different to a fans only leak and the two shouldn't be treated the same.

    However, if you don't want naked photos of you circulating, don't take them or allow them to be taken, or at least don't have your face identifiable in them. It's not rocket science.


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    #1062
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,429 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Eric_Cantona wrote: »
    This is simply one further incarantion of a theme that has persisted throughout civilisation. Women use sex to gain power and or resources. Wives do this by controlling their husbands who they usually don't even find attractive.

    It's not really in fairness.


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    #1063
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Just on the media coverage of this (I keep away from it these days..), has there been anyone saying maybe young ones shouldn't be posting pictures of their bits on onlyfans?


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    #1064
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,468 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I think we're really starting to see the true nature of the concerns coming through in the last few posts here.


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    #1065
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    So that's a No then, no reports ever, anywhere in the world, of children being assaulted as a result of report of child pornography. That's what I was expecting.

    We do have reports of kids being smacked by their parents, and you're now using that to support claims of a 'violent backlash' here. That's some exceptional leap.

    I'm not claiming a violent backlash though.
    I am claiming a victim support advocate has potentially placed a child in harm's way by her vigilante actions.
    In have lainnout evidence that 33% of NZ kids are violently disciplined.
    That's 1 in 3, you seem to think that it's ok to rollnthe dice on claiming to someone that their child is a sex abuser in a country where 1 in 3 are subject to violent discipline?
    So it was ok for her to chance it?
    On what grounds?
    What was her legal standing to make the claim?
    What risk assessment had she run?

    I note again that you aren't dealing with any of the actual issues her claim raise?
    The questions asked of you or even acknowledging that Linda has engaged in incredibly reckless behaviour regarding the boy?

    Why is it ok to place him at risk?
    Why did she not report the alleged harm suffered by the claimed victims to NZ police?
    Why is it ok for her to disregard child protection and safety guidelines?
    Why is it ok for her to ignore mandatory reporting of the NZ boys alleged sharing of CP?
    Why is it ok for her to decide that her vigilante actions, and whatever the boy's parents decide is an appropriate punishment for his alleged sharing of CP and sexual image abuse is "justice"?
    We'll leave the technical questions aside for later.

    I just want to be certain that in your continuing absurd ignoring of the disregard a victims advocate has for the victims she claims to protect?
    That you understand her own claimed actions around this boy are just as heinous and potentially more dangerous.

    If you want to have an honest debate around that?
    Let's do it.

    If you want to continue with your ridiculously moronic deflection and white knighting?
    Well all I'll say is I hope your horse doesn't go lame.


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    #1066
    mikeym
    Registered Users Posts: 3,984 ✭✭✭mikeym


    There was a discussion about onlyfans on a radio show a few months ago and I got the opinion that some of the women who rang in didnt exactly know what onlyfans is about.

    A lot of pornstars are on it and they show everything.

    If women want to get their kit off and show the world thats fine with me.


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    #1067
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,869 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    I think we're really starting to see the true nature of the concerns coming through in the last few posts here.

    This is exactly what the concerns are.

    I received an abusive PM from one of those posters ...the women spoke about receiving abusive messages. There are a lot of dangerous people out there that we haven't even a clue exist.


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    #1068
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    anewme wrote: »
    This is exactly what the concerns are.

    I received an abusive PM from one of those posters ...the women spoke about receiving abusive messages. There are a lot of dangerous people out there.

    I'd agree there is a huge degree of misogyny out there.
    It needs to be addressed and I hope both that you weren't too upset by whatever was sent to you, and that you reported it.

    I say this as a man approaching middle age, it's a matter of calling it out when it happens.
    It's something I try to do whenever I encounter it.

    There is no call for the insult you received and I hope it's actioned.


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    #1069
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,468 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    banie01 wrote: »
    I'm not claiming a violent backlash though.
    I am claiming a victim support advocate has potentially placed a child in harm's way by her vigilante actions.
    In have lainnout evidence that 33% of NZ kids are violently disciplined.
    That's 1 in 3, you seem to think that it's ok to rollnthe dice on claiming to someone that their child is a sex abuser in a country where 1 in 3 are subject to violent discipline?
    There's that big leap again - from parents who slap their children, to 'violent discipline'. Looks like you're clutching at straws here, mainly because you don't like the idea of legislation that will outlaw abuse of images like this.


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    #1070
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    So that's a No then, no reports ever, anywhere in the world, of children being assaulted as a result of report of child pornography

    Talking about taking the piss
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    #1071
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    There's that big leap again - from parents who slap their children, to 'violent discipline'. Looks like you're clutching at straws here, mainly because you don't like the idea of legislation that will outlaw abuse of images like this.

    More deflection?
    Really!
    Why not actually debate with a degree of honesty and address the questions you have been repeatedly asked?

    As for my opinion on the proposed legislation.
    As fairly evident from every opinion I've offered on it in this thread, legislation is necessary.
    This legislation is sitting around for 3yrs after being shut down by FG at its initial introduction.
    Indeed the NZ legislation I made you aware of when you were asking what law could the child be prosecuted under is quite a good example of a digital personal privacy bill.

    Now, here in Ireland in our current political climate it's a convenient crusade for a seriously under pressure minister.

    You have repeatedly deflected from the questions asked of you.
    Selectively quoted and misrepresented.

    How about honest engagement?
    Address the concerns raised about the claimed doxxing of a child?
    Go back over the last few posts addressed to you and answer the questions put to you.


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    #1072
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Gatling wrote: »
    Talking about taking the piss

    I know, it's actually like talking to a Trump supporter.
    The deflection and metal gymnastics in claiming the child commited criminal and dangerous acts?
    Whilst completely ignoring the actions undertaken by a victim advocate in doxxing a child.

    Funnily enough whilst not academically reported I am aware of a family local enough to me, where a show me yours/I'll show you mine situation led to a 12yo with a broken arm.
    But anecdotes don't count, stories and claims aren't evidence.
    Which is something that seems to beyond Andrew's grasp.


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    #1073
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,468 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    banie01 wrote: »
    More deflection?
    Really!
    Why not actually debate with a degree of honesty and address the questions you have been repeatedly asked?

    As for my opinion on the proposed legislation.
    As fairly evident from every opinion I've offered on it in this thread, legislation is necessary.
    This legislation is sitting around for 3yrs after being shut down by FG at its initial introduction.
    Indeed the NZ legislation I made you aware of when you were asking what law could the child be prosecuted under is quite a good example of a digital personal privacy bill.

    Now, here in Ireland in our current political climate it's a convenient crusade for a seriously under pressure minister.

    You have repeatedly deflected from the questions asked of you.
    Selectively quoted and misrepresented.

    How about honest engagement?
    Address the concerns raised about the claimed doxxing of a child?
    Go back over the last few posts addressed to you and answer the questions put to you.

    You seem to have me confused with some spokesperson for or representative of some individual or organisation. I'm not a spokesperson for or representative of any organisation.


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    #1074
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    You seem to have me confused with some spokesperson for or representative of some individual or organisation. I'm not a spokesperson for or representative of any organisation.

    So you are just completely ignoring the points raised?
    Staggering dishonesty.

    I'm not confusing you with anyone.
    You after all are the one who claimed a source.
    You keep ignoring the actions undertaken by Linda in doxxing the child and endangering a child.
    You keep ignoring an advocate for victims rights, ignoring the law and undertaking vigilante action.
    Why do you think her doxxing a child is ok?
    Why do you think it's ok to endanger a child and make claims of criminal behaviour without due process?
    Why is Linda above the law?


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    #1075
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,468 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    banie01 wrote: »
    So you are just completely ignoring the points raised?
    Staggering dishonesty.

    I'm not confusing you with anyone.
    You after all are the one who claimed a source.
    You keep ignoring the actions undertaken by Linda in doxxing the child and endangering a child.
    You keep ignoring an advocate for victims rights, ignoring the law and undertaking vigilante action.
    Why do you think her doxxing a child is ok?
    Why do you think it's ok to endanger a child and make claims of criminal behaviour without due process?
    Why is Linda above the law?

    Honestly, if you're best argument is that the 16 year old lad might get a slap from his mammy if she's in a bad mood, you're on fairly shaky ground.

    It is interesting though, to note your intense aggression towards the actions of those who are supporting the victims in this case compared with your lack of aggression towards the actual aggressors in this case.


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    #1076
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Honestly, if you're best argument is that the 16 year old lad might get a slap from his mammy if she's in a bad mood, you're on fairly shaky ground.

    It is interesting though, to note your intense aggression towards the actions of those who are supporting the victims in this case compared with your lack of aggression towards the actual aggressors in this case.

    More deflection.
    Asking questions isn't intense aggression.
    Supporting victims?
    I'm happy to offer my full support, funnily enough they are a bit hard to come by.

    There is nothing wrong with questioning the source of any narrative.
    By her own claim, Linda has partaken in incredibly risky behaviour to endanger a child.

    And you know what?
    Still no sign of that public leak, that then wasn't public bit was tracked by the brand new charity that can't manage a domain name?
    But can resolve IP's via discord.

    Credibility lies at the heart of Linda's claims.
    There isn't any.

    And seriously, give the horse rest you are becoming quite pathetic now in your deliberate ignoring of the counterpoints.


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    #1077
    sasta le
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭sasta le


    One of the girls leading the campaign does Onlyfans Camgirl etc she is from Limerick and we'll known my mate told me all about her
    But on her Twitter page she seems to have become a full time campaigner for all the trendy causes
    She has taken down her Onlyfans link tho wonder why


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    #1078
    sasta le
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭sasta le


    banie01 wrote: »
    More deflection.
    Asking questions isn't intense aggression.
    Supporting victims?
    I'm happy to offer my full support, funnily enough they are a bit hard to come by.

    There is nothing wrong with questioning the source of any narrative.
    By her own claim, Linda has partaken in incredibly risky behaviour to endanger a child.

    And you know what?
    Still no sign of that public leak, that then wasn't public bit was tracked by the brand new charity that can't manage a domain name?
    But can resolve IP's via discord.

    Credibility lies at the heart of Linda's claims.
    There isn't any.

    And seriously, give the horse rest you are becoming quite pathetic now in your deliberate ignoring of the counterpoints.

    Who is Linda Hayden in all this?I've seen her name mentioned alot.Is she a sex worker?


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    #1079
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    sasta le wrote: »
    Who is Linda Hayden in all this?I've seen her name mentioned alot.Is she a sex worker?

    She is the founder of the victims alliance.
    A noble cause in fairness, but she's doing victims no favours in her rush to equate copyright infringement with actual sexual image abuse.

    The entire premise of her leak and subsequent story fall apart under any actual scrutiny, but don't let that interfere with the outrage for some.


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    #1080
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,468 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    sasta le wrote: »
    One of the girls leading the campaign does Onlyfans Camgirl etc she is from Limerick and we'll known my mate told me all about her
    But on her Twitter page she seems to have become a full time campaigner for all the trendy causes
    She has taken down her Onlyfans link tho wonder why

    And your problem with this is?


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    #1081
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    And your problem with this is?

    Not the person you asked, but she is hardly an impartial source for information considering that she she has/had a financial stake in the situation and appears to be using it to try and push through legislation to protect her income stream.


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