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AndrewJRenko

banie01 wrote: »

And you know what?
Still no sign of that public leak, that then wasn't public bit was tracked by the brand new charity that can't manage a domain name?
But can resolve IP's via discord.

Credibility lies at the heart of Linda's claims.
There isn't any.

Drew Harris seems to be satisfied that the breach happened. Maybe you should be asking him about it, if you're still convinced that it didn't happen?

https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1331648671759396865

banie01

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Drew Harris seems to be satisfied that the breach happened. Maybe you should be asking him about it, if you're still convinced that it didn't happen?

https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1331648671759396865

So the claimed CP and abuse images aren't there?
And none of the alleged victims have yet to make a complaint.

As I have said all along, the leak in the manner claimed by Victims Alliance never happened.
There was no CP.

It further confirms that there is a cache of images, obtained from various sources but zero criminality.
It further confirms that the stance taken by the Victims Alliance is actually an income and copyright protection one.
Rather than actual support of victims of sexual image abuse.

So do you still think that Linda doxxing a child was appropriate?

anewme

banie01 wrote: »

So the claimed CP and abuse images aren't there?
And none of the alleged victims have yet to make a complaint.

As I have said all along, the leak in the manner claimed by Victims Alliance never happened.
There was no CP.

It further confirms that there is a cache of images, obtained from various sources but zero criminality.
It further confirms that the stance taken by the Victims Alliance is actually an income and copyright protection one.
Rather than actual support of victims of sexual image abuse.

So do you still think that Linda doxxing a child was appropriate?

Just heard it there on the news. He definitely said there was no evidence of child porn. He did not say there was no leak, just that no one had complained, therefore there are currently no charges. He did say if anyone does want to complain, then they should come forward.

I did not get from it there was no leak though. Trying to listen to it again, its not online yet.

sasta le

So Linda Hayden is lying?

banie01

anewme wrote: »

Just heard it there on the news. He definitely said there was no evidence of child porn. He did not say there was no leak, just that no one had complained, therefore there are currently no charges. He did say if anyone does want to complain, then they should come forward.

I did not get from it there was no leak though. Trying to listen to it again, its not online yet.

Linda Hayden and associates made claims of CP, sexual image abuse and other claims regarding the files they obtained.
Completely hyperbolic and of zero service to actual victims.
Indeed the specific claim that

One folder, marked 'minors' and which included sexual images of underage girls has been forwarded to Gardaí, who have confirmed they are opening an investigation,

All are very serious claims and they were all, everyone of them unevidenced.
The Gardaí have said very early in that the images scraped from social media were unlikely to be criminal.
They have in all credit to them, reviewed the file submitted and confirmed that no such specifically claimed material exists.

What should also be of interest to anyone following this story.
Is the Discord issue.
Linda Hayden has claimed to have doxxed a child for sharing this material.
I would be very curious as to how the IP in question was obtained because it presents some interesting questions.
If it was from the Discord group?
Well only group admins can view IP in a discord server.
The other way I know of is to send an IP grabber to a recipient in chat and to hope the open it.
I'm not aware of any other way, but I'm sure an expert on discord can chime in.
Isn't that interesting? That to gain an IP via discord, you must be the group admin i.e the server owner?

That a newly formed advocacy group, which from the state of their website has poor IT skills.
Gained the IP address of someone from a discord group, doxxed them and confirmed sharing of Onlyfans and other content scraped from social media.
They then present this as a sex crime.

It does victims of sexual image abuse, of blackmail and coercive control a huge, absolutely massive disservice to label the women who actually suffer such harm.

The entire presentation of this instance and it's framing as abuse is in itself obscene.

Copyright infringement is not and cannot be considered as sexual assault.
Should it come to actually being expected to be?
Every media producer, software, music and publisher would surely seek to ensure there own copyrights are granted similar standards of criminal protection.

sasta le

Linda Hayden and the Limerick Onlyfans girl going by Twitter said complaints and statements were made to the Gardai

banie01

sasta le wrote: »

Linda Hayden and the Limerick Onlyfans girl going by Twitter said complaints and statements were made to the Gardai

The tweet shared by Linda and Co's cheerleader in chief on here would confirm that there are no complaints nor indeed have any victims come forward as of yet to the Gardaí.

Gatling

banie01 wrote: »

The tweet shared by Linda and Co's cheerleader in chief on here would confirm that there are no complaints nor indeed have any victims come forward as of yet to the Gardaí.

Didn't she say 100 thousand + photos and tens of thousands of videos and still nothing has been found or seen by anyone but a 3/4 twitter accounts

banie01

Gatling wrote: »

Didn't she say 100 thousand + photos and tens of thousands of videos and still nothing has been found or seen by anyone but a 3/4 twitter accounts

10000 or more women affected and the leak included info that identified many of them.
Yet despite this story running over a week none have come forward to Gardaí.
The tweet Andrew shared does this story far more harm than good.

I'd hope that the doxxing claimed by Linda and it's potential endangerment of a child are looked into.
In particular, what involvement they had with the Discord group and how they accessed the IP of said child.

A new charity, a new advocacy service bursts into the scene with a Blockbuster claim.
I said this when I initially joined this topic, Cui Bono?
It's a fairly blatant attempt to grab relevancy and a media profile.

AndrewJRenko

banie01 wrote: »

So the claimed CP and abuse images aren't there?
And none of the alleged victims have yet to make a complaint.

As I have said all along, the leak in the manner claimed by Victims Alliance never happened.
There was no CP.

It further confirms that there is a cache of images, obtained from various sources but zero criminality.
It further confirms that the stance taken by the Victims Alliance is actually an income and copyright protection one.
Rather than actual support of victims of sexual image abuse.

So do you still think that Linda doxxing a child was appropriate?

It's good to see that you've moved on a little from your initial denials that the leak ever took place. According to the RTE report, Harris said there is no evidence of 'child abuse' in the images.

https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2020/1125/1180498-garda-commissioner-images/

That's a bit different from saying that there is no child pornography images there. He certainly didn't say 'zero criminality' so you might want to stop attributing words to him that he didn't use.

I'm not quite sure where you got the 'IP tracking' details from. I did see one post from the NZ kid on Twitter referenced by some of the campaigners, so perhaps they were able to track him by other means than IP address tracking?

Quantum Erasure

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Harris said there is no evidence of 'child abuse' in the images....That's a bit different from saying that there is no child pornography images there.

that's reaching now...

The_Brood

Deleted User wrote: »

Just on the media coverage of this (I keep away from it these days..), has there been anyone saying maybe young ones shouldn't be posting pictures of their bits on onlyfans?

Suggesting common decency and civility gets your branded as a far-right prudish bigot by the internet, so you won't see it much.

If you knowingly and willfully share sexually explicit photos on the internet I have 0 sympathy for whatever consequences you face. People stealing those photos are in the wrong, but so are you.

anewme

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banie01 wrote: »

The tweet shared by Linda and Co's cheerleader in chief on here would confirm that there are no complaints nor indeed have any victims come forward as of yet to the Gardaí.

I'm not cheerleader in Chief if you mean me, I've been interested in the story since it broke and I've been 100 percent honest in what's been out there and when its come out snd who said it.

I did notice the Garda Commissioner did not say there was not a leak.

I don't believe the lady from victims alliance is lying. It's not something you could get away with.

It will be interesting to see next steps.

banie01

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

that's reaching now...

He's been reaching for the last 4 days in defence of this.

AndrewJRenko

The_Brood wrote: »

If you knowingly and willfully share sexually explicit photos on the internet I have 0 sympathy for whatever consequences you face. People stealing those photos are in the wrong, but so are you.

What is wrong about an adult setting up their own channel to sell their own images?

AndrewJRenko

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

that's reaching now...

Do you think that there is a difference in criminal terms of;

1) a photo showing someone being sexually abused, and
2) a photo showing someone naked?

banie01

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What is wrong about an adult setting up their own channel to sell their own images?

Nothing at all, it's economics.
It's also not sexual image abuse, a sexual assault or any other form of sex crime when those images are downloaded and shared.

It's copyright infringement.
Nothing more, if you choose to create art?
Well when someone shares that art, then it's reshared, and reshared again?

It's not a criminal, it's the spread of your media.

banie01

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Do you think that there is a difference in criminal terms of;

1) a photo showing someone being sexually abused, and
2) a photo showing someone naked?

Was the phot of someone naked created to be shared for profit?

sasta le

banie01 wrote: »

The tweet shared by Linda and Co's cheerleader in chief on here would confirm that there are no complaints nor indeed have any victims come forward as of yet to the Gardaí.

I thought they gave statements to the Gardai?

Padre_Pio

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It's good to see that you've moved on a little from your initial denials that the leak ever took place. According to the RTE report, Harris said there is no evidence of 'child abuse' in the images.

That's a bit different from saying that there is no child pornography images there. He certainly didn't say 'zero criminality' so you might want to stop attributing words to him that he didn't use.

I would take that as no child abuse then, unless they haven't gone through all the images, but then I suppose he would say they're still investigating

banie01

anewme wrote: »

I'm not cheerleader in Chief if you mean me, I've been interested in the story since it broke and I've been 100 percent honest in what's been out there and when its come out snd who said it.

Not you ANM, Andrew.

anewme wrote: »

I did notice the Garda Commissioner did not day there was not a leak.

Of more note in that, should be the fact that he explicitly did not confirm a leak, a single point or source of dissemination.
He confirmed files provided, the files no doubt came from a group collecting them.
The issue is the files are being claimed as abusive, coercive or/and sexual image abuse.
Many of the images were created by women and shared for a cost.
Then reshared, the claim is that because the women weren't paid.
They are abuse victims.

anewme wrote: »

I don't believe the lady from victims alliance is lying. It's not something you could get away with.

There will be no reprecussion for her.
She will be a concerned citizen, exercising that concern.
She has undertaken heinous behaviour, in doxxing a child but hey sure apparently he had it coming according to one poster here.

anewme wrote: »

It will be interesting to see next steps.

I'd imagine it will go the way of the UCD 200 tbh.

sasta le

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

And your problem with this is?

No problem it's just an opinion
I just get the feeling of trying to be a professional victim.

TheDavester

sasta le wrote: »

Who is Linda Hayden in all this? I've seen her name mentioned alot.Is she a sex worker?

She stalked the rugby players despite been found not guilty in a different jurisdicitoin , her and a few protesters trying to cause a scene outside the stadiums they were playing in and a social democrat who didn't get elected in the last election....

AndrewJRenko

sasta le wrote: »

No problem it's just an opinion
I just get the feeling of trying to be a professional victim.

You said they were 'in the wrong'. What is inherently wrong about setting up an OnlyFans channel?

banie01 wrote: »

She has undertaken heinous behaviour, in doxxing a child but hey sure apparently he had it coming according to one poster here.

Why you lie?

Padre_Pio wrote: »

I would take that as no child abuse then, unless they haven't gone through all the images, but then I suppose he would say they're still investigating

It's an interesting point. Could they really have gone through thousands of photos, one by one, to come to that conclusion? How would they know the ages of the subjects in the thousands of photos, which is a key factor in determining the legality of possession of the photos?

banie01 wrote: »

Was the phot of someone naked created to be shared for profit?

Does creating a photo (or anything) for profit mean that you give up your rights to be protected from abuse, such as blackmail, harassment, extortion?

Foxhound38

Bubblesxoxx wrote: »

I have been a dancer in Dublin for a decade started in my early 20s a lot of the girls I work with are sound and believe me it’s definitely nothing you see on tv. However Ireland seems to have this negative attitude towards women in this industry or deems us all sex addicts or easy when the woman who gets bread in her local supermarket could be doing all kinds of dirty things that’s way worse than dancing and it seems to be okay because she’s doing it for free I don’t get the mindset of some of these people we have stage names in work to protect our identity.

Part of this job comes with a lot of stigma there’s been a few girls who had people find out their day jobs and contact their boss to try and get them fired it’s normally women who rat them out and try to ruin their lives over it. There’s nothing I’d love more than to be open about my job and how it’s helped me get through some dark times in my life but I just couldn’t handle all the derogatory labels and insults and lows people will go to try and ruin your life over it. Since covid hit I don’t know how the strip club industry in Dublin is going to survive.

I want to know what your opinions are on strippers and the likes of using onlyfans to make money nothing you say is going to bother me it’s more curios why people have a begrudging attitude towards these things when they do worse things for free with their husbands boyfriend or a random Jack the lad from coppers In Dublin on a night out.

As long as nobody is being coerced, trafficked, intimidated or otherwise interfered with and they actually get the money they earn and safety is properly taken into consideration I don't have a problem with what you do.

banie01

The_Brood wrote: »

Suggesting common decency and civility gets your branded as a far-right prudish bigot by the internet, so you won't see it much.

If you knowingly and willfully share sexually explicit photos on the internet I have 0 sympathy for whatever consequences you face. People stealing those photos are in the wrong, but so are you.

Just on that point, I don't actually agree.
The context of how they were created and why they were shared matters.

Swapping pics back and forth with a partner, then it goes south and one of you sticks the pics online in a fit of pique?
That needs legislation.
Someone using such images to blackmail someone?
Well there's legislation that already covers that.
Actually hacking someone's could storage or device and sharing the images?
Needs legislation.
And people who encounter the above actions are victims of crime and should have appropriate investigation and justice.

The issue I have with this current bandwagon.
Is that there is a very calculated and deliberate effort to paint people who produce paid for sexual content as victims of offending of a similar level to those of the above crimes.
If someone shares your onlyfans pics and you don't get paid?
That's copyright infringement.
It could also be argued given the porn model, that's it advertising.
If one is producing paid content, but has put all their SM channels on private?
How else are the simps who do pay for this stuff, supposed to find their preferred service providers?

sasta le

Seems the Irish porn stars want the porn star life but don't want people to know..you put images of anything online porn or pottery it's there and you have no control over it
I'd be worried that genuine child porn might not get investigated over them jumping into the campaign

banie01

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Why you lie?

What lie? Point it out and I'll certainly address it.
As for Linda doxxing a child? You have repeatedly refused to acknowledge the potential endangerment?
The one she claimed she undertook here.
That the victims advocate who didn't report blackmail and sexual image abuse to the authorities in a country with robust legislation to deal with same speaks poorly to her credibility.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/blackmailers-target-irish-women-over-naked-images-zzwwfbcn5

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Does creating a photo (or anything) for profit mean that you give up your rights to be protected from abuse, such as blackmail, harassment, extortion?

Self Publishing porn for profit, negates any expectation of privacy that can reasonably be expected.
This people are self publishing photos, once they sell the images there is no criminal offence if they are reshared.

They either want to produce porn for profit, or they want a reasonable expectation of privacy.
One is completely incompatible with the other and as will be shown should a case be taken against someone for sharing "paid" content will not result in a conviction.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What is wrong about an adult setting up their own channel to sell their own images?

Can I say it's pretty f*cked?..

banie01

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can I say it's pretty f*cked?..

What happens when their da buys their photos?
Whose the offender in that instance?