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Upcoming DC Extended Universe (DCEU) Movies

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  • #252
    Nervous Wreck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,115 ✭✭✭✭Nervous Wreck


    Either Affleck is cushioning the blow of pulling out of directing the film or this is his line in the sand - he does it his way or not at all. He's easily a better director than Snyder and Ayer combined, is playing the second most recognisable superhero on the planet and was the standout (only?) positive part of the two movies he's featured in. And he's the biggest comics fan they've offered the big chair to so far. Not giving him his way would be stupid and could cause irreparable damage to their franchise. I honestly don't know what to root for...


  • #253
    Lithium93_
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    I'm hoping it's just Affleck with his line in the sand - His way or the high way. But given Warner's fondness for meddling, they'd surely find some way to make a balls of the situation and shoot themselves in the foot again..


  • #254
    Nervous Wreck
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    See the thing is, Affleck has them in check. He's basically just said "If I don't direct this movie, then the script isn't good enough." So they can let him do what he wants or they can admit that their lead actor has no faith in the movie. He still has to be in it, no question, but would they have any hope getting him to sign on for future movies after his contract ends? Nope. As it stands, that already looks bleak...


  • #255
    sky88
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    Nervous Wreck wrote: »
    Either Affleck is cushioning the blow of pulling out of directing the film or this is his line in the sand - he does it his way or not at all. He's easily a better director than Snyder and Ayer combined, is playing the second most recognisable superhero on the planet and was the standout (only?) positive part of the two movies he's featured in. And he's the biggest comics fan they've offered the big chair to so far. Not giving him his way would be stupid and could cause irreparable damage to their franchise. I honestly don't know what to root for...

    Who would you say is the most recognisable superhero is cause i would consider batman to be the one followed by superman and spiderman. i do think this is changing with the marvel movies being so successful.


  • #256
    pixelburp
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    I think Superman & Batman are the 2 most instantly recognisable superheroes, characters who'd be well known even outside the comicbook circle. I daresay even my Dad could give me the broad summaries of both characters' backstories, and words like 'kryptonite' have contrived to enter the vernacular. DC have effectively squandered that cultural good will with their adolescent, tone deaf films.

    I do agree about the Marvel comments though: their MCU has very aggressively forced what were arguably their 2nd tier roster into the public consciousness. Younger generations are probably bucking the above trend & could probably give you a better breakdown of, say, Captain America's storyscape than Bats or Supes' ATM.


  • #257
    Nervous Wreck
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    I think I recall hearing polling data from a couple years ago that Superman was the most recognisable, followed by Batman so I'm going with that..! No doubt it's changing among the younger generations but I think it'll still be a fair few years before Iron Man becomes quite the household name that Superman is.


  • #258
    techdiver
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    Nervous Wreck wrote: »
    I think I recall hearing polling data from a couple years ago that Superman was the most recognisable, followed by Batman so I'm going with that..! No doubt it's changing among the younger generations but I think it'll still be a fair few years before Iron Man becomes quite the household name that Superman is.

    I believe that the superman symbol is the second most recognisable symbol in the world behind the Christian cross.


  • #259
    Nervous Wreck
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    Jaysus!


  • #260
    Penn
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  • #261
    Bacchus
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    techdiver wrote: »
    I believe that the superman symbol is the second most recognisable symbol in the world behind the Christian cross.

    I'm surprised it's not the Batman symbol as opposed to Superman... also I thought McDonalds was the most recognized symbol in the world. CocaCola is up there too.

    Regarding the superheros... I'd say you'd get arguments around the exact order but Batman, Superman, Spiderman and Hulk were traditionally the most recognizable heros (IMO)... no doubt in part due to how much TV presence they had back in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s. DC also had the movies that were an extra boost. Wonder Woman wouldn't be too far behind in 5th. DC also have the most recognizable villains... Luthor, Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Zod... again I think a large part of that is down to the TV shows and movies enabling those characters to reach a wider audience.

    It's changing now though... Wolverine has to be up there now with over a decade of movies centered around him. Iron Man too.

    As mentioned above, DC really squandered their position. The hard work was done for them over the course of 40/50 years of ingraining their characters into pop-culture. Maybe it was because Marvel HAD to do the ground work and build slowly that they were so successful. You can even say that the legal issues they faced (and still face) with properties such as FF, Spiderman and X-Men actually helped them grow organically. DC had no such obstacles and basically blew their load... three times. They have shown no restraint or care for their characters and it clear as day in the DCMU movies to date.


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  • #262
    Nervous Wreck
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    They also haven't had anyone until this point at the top who actually cared about the characters, who would say "this isn't Batman" etc. Marvel are blessed to have someone like Feige who's a comic nerd in love with the characters, to keep things in check and make sure that the characters act like they're supposed to, as much as possible...


  • #263
    techdiver
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    Nervous Wreck wrote: »
    They also haven't had anyone until this point at the top who actually cared about the characters, who would say "this isn't Batman" etc. Marvel are blessed to have someone like Feige who's a comic nerd in love with the characters, to keep things in check and make sure that the characters act like they're supposed to, as much as possible...

    I would have thought/hoped the appointment of Geoff Johns was a Warner version of Feige,but alas, it still seems like the lunatics are running the asylum.

    What has to be realised is that Hollywood is packed to the rafters with complete morons who only produce decent material when a strong director like Spielberg and Nolan get enough credit in the bank to have full creative control.

    Shows like Episodes might be tongue in cheek but I imagine that they are not too far from the truth.

    Check our Jon Schnepp's documentary "The Death of Superman Lives". It's an eye opener.


  • #264
    Nervous Wreck
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    I'm not a huge fan of Geoff Johns, though he has some rare gems imo. That being said, I think he'll absolutely do his best and get the best results he can. But he's not gonna be in the position Feige is in without taking in a load of cash first. If they're gonna have anyone it'll be him but it may be too late at this stage...


  • #265
    Doctor DooM
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    Nervous Wreck wrote: »
    I'm not a huge fan of Geoff Johns, though he has some rare gems imo. That being said, I think he'll absolutely do his best and get the best results he can. But he's not gonna be in the position Feige is in without taking in a load of cash first. If they're gonna have anyone it'll be him but it may be too late at this stage...

    Been reading this thread for a while now. If you could communicate to DC/Warner how you'd want them to behave, how would you do so? I'm no film expert, so there's probably tonnes wrong in what I'm about to say but...

    Beloved characters become beloved characters for a reason. Find that reason, don't change it, change what's around it to suit the cinema. Superman can be in a dark film, for example, but he is not dark. Maybe trust your nerd you seem to be choosing to ignore. Perlmutter got Marvel to the dance, Feige is the one keeping them there.

    Make sure the script is good, make sure the director is matched to the property (doesn't mean he has to be a fan boy. People paid attention when Brannagh did Thor because... it just matches. Even if the end product was meh). You've been ok so far but not where you want to be and everyone knows it. How about trying to ensure your heavily analysed, expensive product has some quality to it? Would that not swing the risk pendulum in your favour as well as please some of the critics out there?

    Too late now but I also would have added take plenty of time to rehab Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman. Marvel took years and MADE money on a marketing campaign making people care about Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor. I know it's hard to remember now but the wider public neither knew nor cared about the Avengers before 2005 (possibly excepting Hulk).


    Team up/ heavy continuity films are fun. Please use the word fun as a guideline. Grim is more for solo stuff, where you're not looking forward to the banter between your favourite characters.


  • #266
    Ben Gadot
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    You're right Doom in that there's success in simplicity. Trust what makes these characters great and you won't go too far wrong.

    The funny thing is that it doesn't even take massive research into what makes a character great to find a winning formula. You mentioned Brannagh's Thor, which I very much enjoyed, but it actually shared a lot of its story with a comic series released not long before it: Ages of Thunder.

    It just takes one good story to find the right characterisation on screen. Snyder thought he had done that with The Dark Knight Returns but he just ended up taking that story, and a straight forward characterisation, and applied his own bizarre take to it.

    Nolan always got grief for being loose in his interpretation of Bruce especially in TDKR, yet he stayed more true to Miller's interpretation of Bruce than Snyder did. He captured the kamikaze like state of mind; the hopeless dismay at what Gotham had become without adapting a murderous mentality; the dark joy at being back in the game without becoming too sadistic.

    Perhaps, and I'm giving Snyder the benefit of the doubt here, he realised all of that and thought he had too push the envelope further in his loose presentation of a story he always desperately wanted to tell.

    They made a mistake from the beginning in that they wanted to get away from Nolan's trilogy yet still become more fantastical. Superman by his very nature is fantastical yet in the first hour of MOS, there are scenes from it that could be put side by side with some scenes from Batman Begins and they're identical.

    The universe has simply been befuddled since the beginning...but they still have the rope to fix it. The money made has helped immensely there. They can start with the evolution of Superman in JL.....hopefully they won't have him inevitably brainwashed for too long.


  • #267
    Nervous Wreck
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    I agree with you both. Have to say, Branagh's Thor is an MCU highlight for me. We can get into that elsewhere though...!

    As for what I'd say to DC heads... there's probably a lot. Here's some cliffs...

    Stop giving huge films to lousy directors. Snyder and Ayer are awful and always will be.

    Let Bartlet be Bartlet! By which I mean... let the characters be themselves. Superman isn't dark. Nor is he a murderer. Nor would his father tell him to let people die to keep his identity safe. Batman is a lot of things. But not a murderer. Never a murderer.

    The tone of the film needs to match the character, not the other way around. The theme of a Superman film has to be hopeful. You could build the whole movie around a central theme of hope. That's who he is, what he inspires and what it should be.

    Batman needs to be a detective again. It's great that he's a great fighter. But I'd really like him to be shown as the worlds greatest detective again.

    Focus! There's too much disparity in the universe with no central narrative direction. Suddenly there's plans for a Suicide Squad sequel, Deadshot spin-off and Gotham City Sirens movie, as well as Justice League Dark? That's the kind of thing you do when everything is going really well and you've got the brand recognition and following to pursue. Focus on making the core JLA characters great and then start with the spin-offs.

    Stop announcing new films! Give us some good quality instalments first. Then we may get excited when you announce baffling new ones.

    Adjust the colour palette. No more washed out tones, sepia costumes etc. BOLD, bright colours. Stop over-designing the costumes. The Flash looks ridiculous.

    A trident has 3 prongs, not 5. Its in the damn name!

    Stop making Lois Lane a dope and stop putting her in bathtubs.

    And finally, if you don't find a way to bring Clark Kent back from the dead along with Superman, you've lost it all anyway.


  • #268
    Penn
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    I have no issue with the DCEU films being darker in tone than the Marvel films. But degree matters, and with MoS and BvS (especially BvS), they went waayyyyy too dark too quickly with characters who weren't developed enough to warrant it. You have to balance out the dark with a bit of light. My first time seeing BvS in the cinema, when Lex is talking about Superman versus Batman being Day versus Night, it really stuck out that Superman wasn't Day. There wasn't nearly enough contrast between him and Batman. It was Dusk versus Pitch-Black-New-Moon-Night.

    Be darker than the MCU films. Go for it. But give us a bit of f*cking light to actually like and sympathise with the characters first. Give us a reason to care about the characters before you cause them pain/anguish.


  • #269
    pixelburp
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    I think fundamentally those in charge of DC films need to relax and show a little faith in their own properties. I dunno how rampant the insecurity is in DC, but it feels like they're all paralysed by a fear of both marvel and their own TV shows' tone. The quality may vary but there's no disguising just how overtly comic book those shows are & they're just so ... sunny. Not necessarily in outlook or plot, but there's a cocksure, bluesky confidence that CW can tell these tales of telepathic gorillas, immortals and heroes in tennis skirts, and that the audience will accept it all for what it is. Of course, that in turn only works if the groundwork is solid in the first place. Barry Allen is still a decent, honest kid behind them all the temporal f*ck ups and angst, while is support network, although sketchily drawn, are all still fundamentally human, emotional beings. That goes a long way in grounding events when they take a turn for the silly if the people reacting feel genuine.

    DC movies can't claim any of the above & just seem aggressively predisposed to rejecting that approach, to the point where it feels like those in charge are all faintly embarrassed by it all. Rebooting Jimmy Olsen as a blackops CIA agent, who gets violently killed after 5 minutes, to me, was one of the more egregious examples, screaming of a department that neither cares or respects the material they're working with, instead feeling the need to subvert a solid human character with an 'edgy' twist that has earned nothing from the audience, or justified his own rebooting. Remember Superman's good pal Jimmy? Well now he's an awful human being! How ADULT!!! :rolleyes:

    Then I read stories about the apparent 'no jokes' policy the head honchos are demanding, or the scuttlebutt from Brett Easton Ellis of all people, who claimed some DC execs confided in him that they don't care how poor the Batman script is, that they'll make megabucks in the box office regardless (though Ellis has supposedly downplayed the truth of his own story).


  • #270
    Ben Gadot
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    I think the problem is hidden in a way within your post. To me, there isn't a DC equivalent of Marvel Studios. DC Movies doesn't exist. There's DC Comics that once appeared as a logo at the start of their movies, now it's "DC Entertainment"......a fluff department which WB are pulling the strings of.

    I mean Geoff Johns is nothing but a name that WB are using to get themselves some legitimacy among fans but make no mistake about it; John's doesn't have the power Kevin Feige does. No where near it. I've a feeling Affleck is starting to realise that.

    The bucket stops with WB unfortunately. It speaks volumes that I can't even think of one legitimate name out of DC who seems to be an influential figure. It's just a sea of WB suits that are dictating things.


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  • #271
    Doctor DooM
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    Ben Gadot wrote: »

    It just takes one good story to find the right characterisation on screen. Snyder thought he had done that with The Dark Knight Returns but he just ended up taking that story, and a straight forward characterisation, and applied his own bizarre take to it.

    Nolan always got grief for being loose in his interpretation of Bruce especially in TDKR, yet he stayed more true to Miller's interpretation of Bruce than Snyder did. He captured the kamikaze like state of mind; the hopeless dismay at what Gotham had become without adapting a murderous mentality; the dark joy at being back in the game without becoming too sadistic.

    Perhaps, and I'm giving Snyder the benefit of the doubt here, he realised all of that and thought he had too push the envelope further in his loose presentation of a story he always desperately wanted to tell.

    They made a mistake from the beginning in that they wanted to get away from Nolan's trilogy yet still become more fantastical. Superman by his very nature is fantastical yet in the first hour of MOS, there are scenes from it that could be put side by side with some scenes from Batman Begins and they're identical.

    Think you're bang on there. It's always felt to me like Nolan wanted to get into what drives Batman, the character, whereas Snyder was happy plucking cool images of what Batman is and does, as a symbol. If you get me.
    Nervous Wreck wrote: »

    And finally, if you don't find a way to bring Clark Kent back from the dead along with Superman, you've lost it all anyway.

    Agree with everything, but this will be particularly telling.

    As the old saying goes, Superman is the mask, not Clark Kent. Unless you're telling a story about him losing himself deliberately, not having Clark about is a sign you don't get Superman at all.
    Penn wrote: »
    I have no issue with the DCEU films being darker in tone than the Marvel films. But degree matters, and with MoS and BvS (especially BvS), they went waayyyyy too dark too quickly with characters who weren't developed enough to warrant it. You have to balance out the dark with a bit of light. My first time seeing BvS in the cinema, when Lex is talking about Superman versus Batman being Day versus Night, it really stuck out that Superman wasn't Day. There wasn't nearly enough contrast between him and Batman. It was Dusk versus Pitch-Black-New-Moon-Night.

    Be darker than the MCU films. Go for it. But give us a bit of f*cking light to actually like and sympathise with the characters first. Give us a reason to care about the characters before you cause them pain/anguish.

    God, yes. I think if every DC film were sweetness and light we'd get very bored of the new world. Lest we forget, gritty reboots are what brought a lot of the superhero films to the screen at all- "yellow spandex".

    Making something gritty for the sake of it though is pretty boring, and senseless, and yes we have to like the character before we'll feel for them.
    pixelburp wrote: »
    I think fundamentally those in charge of DC films need to relax and show a little faith in their own properties. I dunno how rampant the insecurity is in DC, but it feels like they're all paralysed by a fear of both marvel and their own TV shows' tone. The quality may vary but there's no disguising just how overtly comic book those shows are & they're just so ... sunny. Not necessarily in outlook or plot, but there's a cocksure, bluesky confidence that CW can tell these tales of telepathic gorillas, immortals and heroes in tennis skirts, and that the audience will accept it all for what it is. Of course, that in turn only works if the groundwork is solid in the first place. Barry Allen is still a decent, honest kid behind them all the temporal f*ck ups and angst, while is support network, although sketchily drawn, are all still fundamentally human, emotional beings. That goes a long way in grounding events when they take a turn for the silly if the people reacting feel genuine.

    DC movies can't claim any of the above & just seem aggressively predisposed to rejecting that approach, to the point where it feels like those in charge are all faintly embarrassed by it all. Rebooting Jimmy Olsen as a blackops CIA agent, who gets violently killed after 5 minutes, to me, was one of the more egregious examples, screaming of a department that neither cares or respects the material they're working with, instead feeling the need to subvert a solid human character with an 'edgy' twist that has earned nothing from the audience, or justified his own rebooting. Remember Superman's good pal Jimmy? Well now he's an awful human being! How ADULT!!! :rolleyes:

    Then I read stories about the apparent 'no jokes' policy the head honchos are demanding, or the scuttlebutt from Brett Easton Ellis of all people, who claimed some DC execs confided in him that they don't care how poor the Batman is, that they'll make megabucks in the box office regardless (though Ellis has supposedly downplayed the truth of his own story).

    Very much so. Everyone but Marvel is like that. Sony kept taking Spider-Man's mask off, when people wanted Spidey to just be Spidey. There's a book that could be written on how little Fox trust the X-Men (really, it took how long to put Psylocke in? She has a massive army of fanboys... but you know if she was in earlier she wouldn't have been psi blading people or possibly even have purple hair... "yellow spandex" :D).

    Why would a company want to be like Sony, not Marvel?
    Ben Gadot wrote: »
    I think the problem is hidden in a way within your post. To me, there isn't a DC equivalent of Marvel Studios. DC Movies doesn't exist. There's DC Comics that once appeared as a logo at the start of their movies, now it's "DC Entertainment"......a fluff department which WB are pulling the strings of.

    I mean Geoff Johns is nothing but a name that WB are using to get themselves some legitimacy among fans but make no mistake about it; John's doesn't have the power Kevin Feige does. No where near it. I've a feeling Affleck is starting to realise that.

    The bucket stops with WB unfortunately. It speaks volumes that I can't even think of one legitimate name out of DC who seems to be an influential figure. It's just a sea of WB suits that are dictating things.

    Yup, that makes sense.


  • #272
    IncognitoMan
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    Much more positive news regarding Ben Affleck and the Batman movie

    “I’m gonna direct the next Batman, we’re working on it,” Affleck confirmed. “It’s one of those things that’s really frustrating because with ‘Live By Night’ it took me a year-and-a-half to write it and get it ready and I worked really hard. It’s just no one gave a s**t. No one was like, ‘WHERE’S ‘LIVE BY NIGHT?’ But with Batman I keep getting the, “WHERE’S THE F**KING BATMAN?” I’m like, “Whoa, I’m working! Give me a second!”
    Read more at http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/801707-ben-affleck-puts-batman-directing-doubts-to-rest#vsasiDLb5h7igt2J.99


  • #273
    Doctor DooM
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    IncognitoMan wrote: »
    Much more positive news regarding Ben Affleck and the Batman movie

    “I’m gonna direct the next Batman, we’re working on it,” Affleck confirmed. “It’s one of those things that’s really frustrating because with ‘Live By Night’ it took me a year-and-a-half to write it and get it ready and I worked really hard. It’s just no one gave a s**t. No one was like, ‘WHERE’S ‘LIVE BY NIGHT?’ But with Batman I keep getting the, “WHERE’S THE F**KING BATMAN?” I’m like, “Whoa, I’m working! Give me a second!”
    Read more at http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/801707-ben-affleck-puts-batman-directing-doubts-to-rest#vsasiDLb5h7igt2J.99

    Well, that's good to hear. Usually when he's in control you get a good film out of him. I actually quite like his Batman too, hopefully he'll be a bit less murdery or at very least they can explain what happened to him to have him this way!


  • #274
    Agent Coulson
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    The Rock joins the DCEU as Black Adam getting his own movie with Shazam split into two movies.


  • #275
    Lithium93_
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    David Ayer has posted an apology for Suicide Squad

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  • #276
    techdiver
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    Lithium93_ wrote: »
    David Ayer has posted an apology for Suicide Squad

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    I admire his honesty at least. It's not usual for a director to do that.


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  • #277
    Nervous Wreck
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    I'd prefer a decent movie to an apology for a shît one but, while he's at it, I would take apologies for Fury, End of Watch, Sabotage and Street Kings....


  • #278
    techdiver
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    Nervous Wreck wrote: »
    I'd prefer a decent movie to an apology for a shît one but, while he's at it, I would take apologies for Fury, End of Watch, Sabotage and Street Kings....

    Thought both End of Watch and Fury were decent movies. Not seen the other two.


  • #279
    Nervous Wreck
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    I thought Fury came close enough to being decent but fumbled it. End of Watch was painful.


  • #280
    Ben Gadot
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    Ayer apologising in the knowledge he's in a cushty position....the oul troll. :P


  • #281
    Agent Coulson
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    Apologizing for a widely successful commercial movie and that's all that matters to DC/Warner Bros and he knows it.


    Basically telling us that's exactly what Gotham City Sirens is going to be so don't expect what you want to see as fans it's about making money and we know fans will spent that money even for kack.


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  • #282
    Agent Coulson
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  • #283
    pixelburp
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    The Flash now has its third writer: Joby Harold has come in to replace the last departee, this time to perform a 'page one' re-write. So they're starting all over again! Still no sign of its third director though. The circus continues.

    Harold's credits are fairly slim by all accounts: of his two scriptwriting credits, one is still yet to come out (the Guy Ritchie King Arthur adatpation), while the other dates back to 2007. He was an executive producer on Edge of Tomorrow, so that's something, even if 'executive producer' is a bit of a nothing role. (sidebar: if you're reading this and haven't seen Edge of Tomorrow - go see it. It's ace).

    http://variety.com/2017/film/news/joby-harold-the-flash-script-rewrite-1201969977/


  • #284
    Ben Gadot
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    At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if cast members are dropped, the actress playing Iris particularly. You'd have to wonder how many director changes and rewrites a relative unknown can survive (taking into account that she probably wouldn't have been in the reckoning in the first place had she not worked with one of the axed directors previously).

    What a cluster****.


  • #285
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    A Midnight Edge video released a couple of days ago claims Flash is effectively on hiatus until the reaction to Ezra Miller in Justice League is seen. I'm not sure if I should linky linky as if it's pure speculation I don't want to be rewarding them.

    The same source is supposed to say he kills it though so he's likely to get the best reaction from the entire cast.


  • #286
    Nervous Wreck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,115 ✭✭✭✭Nervous Wreck


    Doctor DooM wrote: »
    A Midnight Edge video released a couple of days ago claims Flash is effectively on hiatus until the reaction to Ezra Miller in Justice League is seen. I'm not sure if I should linky linky as if it's pure speculation I don't want to be rewarding them.

    The same source is supposed to say he kills it though so he's likely to get the best reaction from the entire cast.

    Strange but unsurprising if true. You would think they'd have faith in their cast... that said, Miller aside, the glimpse we saw in the JL trailer was no Barry Allen...


  • #287
    RobbingBandit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,192 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Affleck really suits the bat suit well. Hope he does the role true justice.


  • #288
    Ben Gadot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭Ben Gadot


    Doctor DooM wrote: »
    A Midnight Edge video released a couple of days ago claims Flash is effectively on hiatus until the reaction to Ezra Miller in Justice League is seen. I'm not sure if I should linky linky as if it's pure speculation I don't want to be rewarding them.

    The same source is supposed to say he kills it though so he's likely to get the best reaction from the entire cast.

    That's reasonable. The slates that map out releases over the next decade I don't take seriously. Marvel have their albatross in the In humans film that they eventually admitted was defunct.


  • #289
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    RobbingBandit wrote: »
    Affleck really suits the bat suit well. Hope he does the role true justice.

    Pun intended? :D
    Ben Gadot wrote: »
    That's reasonable. The slates that map out releases over the next decade I don't take seriously. Marvel have their albatross in the In humans film that they eventually admitted was defunct.

    There's a huge amount of behind the scenes politics to the Inhumans I' not sure if you're aware of. It's the pet project of Ike Perlmutter, the old head of all things Marvel who's been removed by Disney from the film division in leiu of Kevin Feige (The guy who had the crazy idea that giving fans what they want and what they enjoy and they might pay to see the films). The removal wasn't just a sign of trouble behind the scenes, it's kinda an FU to Perlmutter.


  • #290
    Nervous Wreck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,115 ✭✭✭✭Nervous Wreck


    ^^Which is why Inhumans will now be a TV show. Incidentally, Perlmutter is an outspoken supporter of Trump, having donated millions to his presidential campaign. He's said some fcuked up things in the past...


  • #291
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Nervous Wreck wrote: »
    ^^Which is why Inhumans will now be a TV show. Incidentally, Perlmutter is an outspoken supporter of Trump, having donated millions to his presidential campaign. He's said some fcuked up things in the past...

    Yeah he's currently suing one of his neighbours for stealing his DNA. He's not exactly Mr. Stable.


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  • #292
    Ben Gadot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭Ben Gadot


    http://www.superherohype.com/news/389823-ben-affleck-will-no-longer-direct-the-batman#/slide/1

    Not good unless they've an ace in the hole.


  • #293
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Ben Gadot wrote: »
    http://www.superherohype.com/news/389823-ben-affleck-will-no-longer-direct-the-batman#/slide/1

    Not good unless they've an ace in the hole.

    Well, that's news I didn't want to hear.


  • #294
    Ben Gadot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭Ben Gadot


    It might not necessarily be a bad thing, as I've gotten the feeling that Affleck has worked himself into the ground over the last 2 years. As long as they get a quality director and more importantly, a good script, then letting Ben focus on the character isn't the worst thing that can happen.

    But it's obviously not good to see chaos reign once again.


  • #295
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,895 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    I seriously wouldn't be shocked if Snyder end up directing it and Goyer ends up writing it.


  • #296
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    I seriously wouldn't be shocked if Snyder end up directing it and Goyer ends up writing it.

    I'm officially out if that happens. At some point you have to register your feedback with the money you pay, or the lack thereof.


  • #297
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Honestly, bar Wonder Woman which has somehow contrived to avoid the stink of creative musical chairs and studio interference (that we know of), I'm already out of the DC filmverse and am holding fire until I hear enough unreserved praise for a production that isn't a smouldering dumpster fire. Suicide Squad was the straw that broke this particularly camel's back & refuse to reward these films for their flailing mediocrity.

    Does the Lego Batman movie count here? 'Cos I'm still stoked for that like :D


  • #298
    techdiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭techdiver


    Very much doubt that Snyder will be given it. In fact I think he will be phased out to an extent after Justice League, also his schedule with post production of Justice League might preclude him anyway.

    I like to think I can take Affleck's statement at face value, but part of me worries that there are underlying issues. Warner are all about schedule, he was all about quality and it seems schedule wins over quality.

    Whilst I want DCEU to be different than the MCU, how hard can it be for WB to look at what Marvel are doing and copy the bloody formulae? I do think some of the Marvel movies are overrated and some of the DC ones underrated, the fact remains that the majority view is that Marvel are doing a better job of bringing the universe together. DC may have **** the bed with trying to do a catch up in a single movie instead of letting their characters breath and develop in solo movies. Perhaps this will be forgotten in the future if they pull off Wonder Woman and Justice League and then can movie forward from there.


  • #299
    Ben Gadot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭Ben Gadot


    pixelburp wrote: »

    Does the Lego Batman movie count here? 'Cos I'm still stoked for that like :D

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057693637

    Separate thread to I say no. :pac:


  • #300
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,895 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Matt Reeves in talks to direct The Batman

    Cloverfield & War for the Planet of the Apes which he directed I enjoyed.


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  • #301
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Yet another blow for the DC Universe as Ben Affleck apparently wants out of Batman

    Nothing confirmed as of yet, but apparently 3 separate sources have confirmed he's trying to get out of the role.


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