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Is chiropractic nonsense?

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    #122
    The Enbalmer
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    Jim Alexander wrote: »
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    One treatment I think is very beneficial is spinal decompression, yet most chiropractors and physios don't do this. I think it's important to have to body in proper alignment, a good chiropractor and help bring it back into alignment and give you advice to keep it in alignment.


    Will ya stop out of that..there's no medical treatment that involves messing around with your spine unless it's spinal surgery.


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    #123
    Canis Lupus
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    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    I injured my back more than 20 years ago playing sports and just played on through the pain for a few weeks until I went to a physio to see if he could sort it. Over the next 2 years I went to 4 different physios including one rather famous one to no effect. All recommended the same treatment which simply wasn't working for me. The pain was present all day and night and playing and training was becoming too difficult to stay going.


    I went to a local Chiropracter, more as a last gasp than with any real hope of a cure. She did some stretching and massage and some twisting of an arm until there was a crack, the only time that happened. I walked out of the office pain free for the first time in over 2 years, went home and slept for 18 hours straight through.


    I appreciate the lack of evidence and damage some have received from dealing with some Chiropracters but I can only say positive things about my experience with mine. I go every 3 weeks this time of year due to the physical workload of my job and maybe every 6 weeks for the rest of the year, working out at about a euro a day over the year.


    Considering that I can get back spasms and locked up from simply pulling a chair out from the table to sit on, I consider it a small cost to be pain free for the most of the last 20 years.


    Physio didn't work for me, Chiropractor did.

    What if the chiro manipulated you in a way that no medically trained person would attempt and got lucky?


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    #124
    sbsquarepants
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Bollox.

    In the UK it's a four year full time course to be one, and the word "osteopath" is a protected title.

    I wouldn't go to someone with only Irish training.


    Maybe you were thinking of homeopath?

    No I'm thinking of an osteopath - it's bullshít of the highest order. The only thing going in their favour is that they won't further damage you - unlike a chiropractor who could very well cripple you.

    The length of time you study something makes no difference if the base knowledge is flawed - it takes donkeys years to become a theologian for example. Doesn't make the zombie carpenter tale any more legitimate.

    That being said - the girlfriends family all swear by them, but they're also all religious nuts so facts and evidence clearly aren't their thing!


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    #125
    janfebmar
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    Canis Lupus wrote: »
    What if the chiro manipulated you in a way that no medically trained person would attempt and got lucky?

    What if the chiro manipulated you in a way that no medically trained person would attempt and got unlucky. I know someone who was in pain for years after going to a chiro.


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    #126
    Mrs OBumble
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    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    The only thing going in their favour is that they won't further damage you - unlike a chiropractor who could very well cripple you.

    What do you think that osteos do??? Some of it could most definitely injure if done wrong.


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    #127
    DelBoy Trotter
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    I'd be in agreement with the majority in this thread that it's pure hocus pocus and I wouldn't be willing to the risk with my back/neck!


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    #128
    Mad_maxx
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    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Might be that simple to you, but many in pain have gone down the medical route but their issues haven't been alleviated. Some have had operations only for their pain to be made worse. So don't just assume that people who attend a chiropractor are doing so as their first port of call. That's rarely the case.

    On the contrary, for most it's a last resort given mainstream medicine has been unable to help them. Of course the chances are a chiropractor won't help them much either, might even make them worse, but for some, many whom I've met, its absolutely changed their lives for the better and immeasurably improved their quality of life.

    The placebo effect? Perhaps. Perhaps not.

    I don't think anyone is advocating, by the way, that people should go to see a chiropractor above attending a doctor but again, that's not always fruitful venture. If only it were.If only it were.

    Most ( non pain specialist) doctors are extremely lazy and condescending when it comes to patients complaining about pain, they love giving you the pain medicine 101 speech about how" pain is subjective ", as if that's any fcuking consolation

    This in turn drives people towards chancers like Chiropractors


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    #129
    Mad_maxx
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    John Mason wrote: »
    Spent thousands on physio on my neck and back over many years and nothing helped. I was in so much pain I couldnt do anything that required standing or sitting for longer than 5 mins.

    4 sessions with the chiro - pain gone. Am pain free for years.

    I could have bought a house with the amount i spent on physio, pilates, painkillers and doctors fees

    I broke a rib in 2007, fracture healed but pain endured, had nerve blocks which failed and enough pain killers to fell king Kong, eventually from listening to a neighbour about this miracle worker Chiropractor, I thought I'd give it a shot despite the pain not being in my back, long story short a scan following a visit showed the Chiropractor ( who I visited once in September 2010) left me with wear and tear on the lumber spine, to this day I have to sit on what's called a "back friend", seat accessory I have in my car and chair in living room


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    #130
    sbsquarepants
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    What do you think that osteos do??? Some of it could most definitely injure if done wrong.

    I know what they do - I haven't got them mixed up!

    I admit I have fairly limited experience in actually watching them do their thing, I've never gone myself, but I haven't seen anything that could conceivably injure.


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    #131
    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    Canis Lupus wrote: »
    What if the chiro manipulated you in a way that no medically trained person would attempt and got lucky?
    It's quite possible.



    I went the recommended route, GP first and pain relief and anti inflammatories before returning with another prescription and a Physio to visit. A few months there and back to the GP again for more pain relief and anti inflammatories and a different Physio. Back to the GP a few months later, more pain relief and anti inflammatories and yet another Physio. Another few months later, barely able to function or sleep, another prescription and a top class Physio and a marginal improvement in condition, down a few grand at this stage and looking at quitting my job because I wasn't able to walk a few hundred yards without pain.


    Now, I could have gone to yet another Physio, for me pointing towards a success rate of less than 20% at best with physio, but tbh it was starting to look pointless at best. My GP recommended my Chiropracter as a last resort before I would be looking at Consultants and possible surgery.

    There's nobody recommending that the first port of call should be a Chiropracter. Or a second port of call either. Anybody commenting here has repeatedly stated they had tried every other relatively easily available avenues before going to see a Chiropracter. Most seem to have found relief with only one, iirc, having a horrific experience.


    As I said above, near instant relief for me. It's easy to preach a message of do this or that but try walking in my shoes, slowly and painfully for 2 years with the best days being described as uncomfortable and the worst as being a complete pain in the ass. At that stage, and I hope you never have to reach anywhere near that point, you can come back to me and preach about what the correct approach should be. I made my decision with as much information as was available pre internet and it worked for me and I'm extremely happy with the outcome some 20 years later.



    I can work and walk and run and play sports with little discomfort. That's a huge plus for me and I'll be continuing to see my Chiropracter regularly, even if that doesn't merit anybody else's approval:)


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    #132
    The Enbalmer
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    Did you have an MRI?


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    #133
    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    Did you have an MRI?
    No, very difficult to have one 20 years ago. It never came into the conversation at all.


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    #134
    bpmurray
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    Simon Singh called it quackery in the UK, and the British Chiropracters Society sued him. It went to court and SIngh won, so now, officially and legally, chiropracters are quacks, in the UK at least. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Chiropractic_Association_v_Singh


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    #135
    4ensic15
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    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Maybe ask yourself why similar chancers don't pop up in areas like the engineering field, or accountancy.

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    There are numerous chancers in the field of accountancy and engineering. Anyone can call themselves a computer programmer or software developer and bring down a business. There are idiots calling themselves accountants and getting people in trouble with the taxman. Until a few years ago there were many unqualified architects offering their services as "architect" wasn't a protected title. there are unqualified individuals hanging around the courts charging people for advice on debt.


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    #136
    Johnnycanyon
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    fryup wrote: »
    was this in Soho ?

    That would have been money well spent.


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    #137
    Dante7
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    Like most subjects, if I don't have the relevant knowledge I will turn to the experts in the field to form an opinion. My brother in law is a consultant orthopaedic surgeon. He says it is dangerous bull****. He says he probably makes more money out of it than the chiropractors themselves due to the very expensive surgery required to correct their ham fisted nonsense.


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