Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris

Hurrache · 15-04-2019 8:09pm

enricoh wrote: »

In fairness he posted credible links to previous isis plots to target that church and that other churches in france have been attacked last month.
Who knows, maybe they did try again.
A big jewel gone in paris' tourist crown, hopefully it was an accident. Tourism got hammered after the bataclan, isis links to this will do more harm than an accident.

Get outta here would ya. Sure he might as well have posted links to the Dresden fire bombings as they have as much relevancy here.

Yer Da sells Avon · 15-04-2019 8:10pm

Angliru wrote: »

A few friends are in Paris for a week, I've no idea if they managed to fit in a visit already.

You'd be raging if you didn't.

"Let's go and see Notre Dame Cathedral!"

"Calm down, it'll still be there tomorrow"

is_that_so · 15-04-2019 8:10pm

Deleted User wrote: »

That’s interesting. I thought big heavy beams would take hours to get going. Obviously not.

That was one nugget Ken Follett mentioned, they would likely be very dry and burn fast.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 15-04-2019 8:11pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You have to be mentally unwell or around 13 years old to possibly laugh or gloat about the destruction of a building older than the Aztecs.

What do you expect from people whose knowledge of history doesn't extend beyond Conor McGregor's MMA record?

Roger Hassenforder · 15-04-2019 8:12pm

"The wood and lead spire was built during a restoration in the mid-19th century, according to the cathedral's website."

I'd be closing my windows in Paris.
It seems some stuff had been removed for the duration of the works.

"There are a lot of art works inside...it's a real tragedy," Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo told reporters at the scene.

The cathedral was in the midst of renovations, with some sections under scaffolding and bronze statues were removed last week for works.

Force Carrier · 15-04-2019 8:12pm

kravmaga wrote: »

Euro news mentioned that there was some sort of renovation work going on with contractors, maybe they were not supervised properly, a lot of fires in historic buildings can be caused by contractors

Yes, and I don't think it's enough to say 'it was just an accident'. This is a top down thing. They must have a Fire Protection System in place. People tasked as with fire watch duties if possibly in addition to their other work. As well as smoke alarms. And who can raise the alarm quickly and/or deal with an fire in its early stages.

Also don't expect a spark from construction equipment or cabling unless it was faulty or things were powered on when they shouldn't be.

is_that_so · 15-04-2019 8:13pm

Hugh Scofield saying there has been something there right back in history to the origins of Paris. Reuters reporting fire inside one of the towers.

Roger Hassenforder · 15-04-2019 8:13pm

is_that_so wrote: »

That was one nugget Ken Follett mentioned, they would likely be very dry and burn fast.

Probably preserved with some creosote/tar derivative

GinAndBitter · 15-04-2019 8:13pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Get outta here would ya. Sure he might as well have posted links to the Dresden fire bombings as they have as much relevancy here.

What's the problem? Muslims have form for destroying churches in France, no harm in pointing that out.

LirW · 15-04-2019 8:13pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That’s interesting. I thought big heavy beams would take hours to get going. Obviously not.

It depends on a couple of factors really but if you have wiring running along it, maybe a bit of wind outside, dry air in the church it can go really fast. Also if it's caught by a big fire already it devours anything in its way.
Think of 800 year old seasoned hardwood.

I'm really curious what the report will say at the end.

Erik Shun · 15-04-2019 8:14pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

You'd be raging if you didn't.

"Let's go and see Notre Dame Cathedral!"

"Calm down, it'll still be there tomorrow"

As someone who was up the Eiffel tower when the Paris attack happened, not a fun feeling I'll tell ya

Hurrache · 15-04-2019 8:14pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You have to be mentally unwell or around 13 years old to possibly laugh or gloat about the destruction of a building older than the Aztecs.

It's a symptom of the general stupidity leeching from some of the usual AH threads. A snap shot of how stupid and ignorant some of the people we're unfortunate to share our country with.

Varta · 15-04-2019 8:14pm

Watching Notre Dame burning makes me feel so sad. It also makes me wonder if we are long past our zenith in terms of art and the creation of beautiful and lasting works. 850 years ago architects with pen and paper designed Notre Dame and builders without power tools built it. Yet today, with computer aided design and immense building power, all we get is glass boxes that will be lucky to last 50 years, never mind 850. While in fine art we get bland, talentless, rubbish that can only hang it's hat on controversy or shock value. A fragment of mankind's soul has been lost today. And I'm not referring to religion.

Itssoeasy · 15-04-2019 8:15pm

Just looking at pictures that CNN of it in happier times and there is a lot of wooden seats(obviously) and wood along the walls. And that fire is nowhere near out yet. I mean it’s still glowing red and there are visible flames still.

endacl · 15-04-2019 8:15pm

GinAndBitter wrote: »

What's the problem? Muslims have form for destroying churches in France, no harm in pointing that out.

Or a Swedish Black Metal band on tour?

Seeing as we’re speculating in the face of a likely and probable cause?

wakka12 · 15-04-2019 8:16pm

The spire of Notre Dame cathedral has collapsed. What an absolute tragedy, how could this happen

GottaGetGatt · 15-04-2019 8:16pm

Wouldn’t like to be the Project Manager on that Project. More then likely faulty wiring from Temporary electricity or Hot Works, the same as Penney’s in Belfastid say.

Hurrache · 15-04-2019 8:16pm

GinAndBitter wrote: »

What's the problem? Muslims have form for destroying churches in France, no harm in pointing that out.

Because it's ****ing stupid unless you like to cream your pants at the thought.

15-04-2019 8:17pm

LirW wrote: »

It depends on a couple of factors really but if you have wiring running along it, maybe a bit of wind outside, dry air in the church it can go really fast. Also if it's caught by a big fire already it devours anything in its way.
Think of 800 year old seasoned hardwood.

I'm really curious what the report will say at the end.

Would they have those gas canisters or blow torches up there for heating tar etc?

Yer Da sells Avon · 15-04-2019 8:18pm

This is the first time I've watched a rolling news channel in a very long time. Sky News presenters don't like dead air, do they? Christ alive, let the images do the talking.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 15-04-2019 8:19pm

No matter what happens it will be rebult. The only good thing so far is that nobody has been killed, lets hope it stays that way.

FrancieBrady · 15-04-2019 8:19pm

The problem with wooden buildings is that the heat of the fire preps the areas around perfectly to keep the fire going and consuming all in front of it.
Well nigh impossible to stop.

Zorya · 15-04-2019 8:20pm

Varta wrote: »

Watching Notre Dame burning makes me feel so sad. It also makes me wonder if we are long past our zenith in terms of art and the creation of beautiful and lasting works. 850 years ago architects with pen and paper designed Notre Dame and builders without power tools built it. Yet today, with computer aided design and immense building power, all we get is glass boxes that will be lucky to last 50 years, never mind 850. While in fine art we get bland, talentless, rubbish that can only hang it's hat on controversy or shock value. A fragment of mankind's soul has been lost today. And I'm not referring to religion.

Perfectly said.

namloc1980 · 15-04-2019 8:20pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

No matter what happens it will be rebult. The only good thing so far is that nobody has been killed, lets hope it stays that way.

The pressure on Macron to get this rebuilt will be immense. No matter the cost it'll be done.

Force Carrier · 15-04-2019 8:20pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

This is the first time I've watched a rolling news channel in a very long time. Sky News presenters don't like dead air, do they? Christ alive, let the images do the talking.

Here's a live feed with no commentary

LirW · 15-04-2019 8:21pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Would they have those gas canisters or blow torches up there for heating tar etc?

Welding work could have been done which of course needs to be treated with utmost care or you have a fire party.

Itssoeasy · 15-04-2019 8:28pm

One good thing is that France 24 are quoting a priest from the cathedral that the artwork and the crown of thorns are saved.

Spanish Eyes · 15-04-2019 8:29pm

Just thinking how dangerous it will be for engineering surveys and fire investigations to be undertaken. If anything is left, it would take brave people to go in there.

What a tragedy. But thankfully no one died or was injured. That's something I suppose.

otnomart · 15-04-2019 8:30pm

Just earlier, I mentioned the fire at theatre La Fenice in Venice.
Here an article in English on the story.
http://blogvenice.com/2016/02/venice-la-fenice-20-years-ago-comeera-dovera/

enricoh · 15-04-2019 8:31pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Get outta here would ya. Sure he might as well have posted links to the Dresden fire bombings as they have as much relevancy here.

So in summary - he posts links that showed previous plots targeting the notre dame church by isis. Then he posts links that show 10 french churches were vandalised recently and thats in no way relevant!!!
I was in the imperial war museum in london years ago n one of the items on view was an ira incendiary bomb on a timer that was copped before it went off in the museum. It'd be handy enough for a lad working on the job to leave one behind I'd imagine. Anyway, idle speculation, hope it ups the game fire prevention wise of all other iconic buildings.

namloc1980 · 15-04-2019 8:32pm

Still an inferno inside the building.

Ghost Train · 15-04-2019 8:34pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

This is the first time I've watched a rolling news channel in a very long time. Sky News presenters don't like dead air, do they? Christ alive, let the images do the talking.

All the news channels seem to be stumbling a bit trying to talk about it, quality of the anchor people not the best

J. Marston · 15-04-2019 8:34pm

Indestructable wrote: »

Boards is an utter cesspit and this thread is proof of that.

A tragic and historic day. What an utterly terrible loss.

Don't lump everyone in with the pit of misery and bitterness that is After Hours.

Hurrache · 15-04-2019 8:34pm

Ermmm

enricoh wrote: »

So in summary - he posts links that showed previous plots targeting the notre dame church by isis. Then he posts links that show 10 french churches were vandalised recently and thats in no way relevant!!!..........
........
idle speculation.

Plenty of bull**** threads to take that crap to, keeps the rest of us sane.

Erik Shun · 15-04-2019 8:36pm

nullzero wrote: »

I hope Peter Beardsley got out OK.

He's grand!

namloc1980 · 15-04-2019 8:37pm

The scaffolding doesn't look in the best shape now. Glowing red in places.

dudara · 15-04-2019 8:37pm

Very sad news. Construction work started nearly a millennia ago, and it’s burning down now right in front of our eyes.

Even when the fire is out, it will take ages before it’s safe to go in, then all the assessment and stabilization, then planning and finally rebuilding. It’s going to be a lifetime project. Just like the original build in some ways.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 15-04-2019 8:38pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

The pressure on Macron to get this rebuilt will be immense. No matter the cost it'll be done.

Even if they rebuild, it will only be a 21st century reconstruction of a medieval building. So much has been destroyed today that is irreplaceable.

BarryD2 · 15-04-2019 8:39pm

A great shame

ted1 · 15-04-2019 8:41pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Just thinking how dangerous it will be for engineering surveys and fire investigations to be undertaken. If anything is left, it would take brave people to go in there.

What a tragedy. But thankfully no one died or was injured. That's something I suppose.

They can use a crane, lift and bucket etc and approach it from a top down

wakka12 · 15-04-2019 8:42pm

Sofia Damaged Lodging wrote: »

Even if they rebuild, it will only be a 21st century reconstruction of a medieval building. So much has been destroyed today that is irreplaceable.

Yes it's irreplaceable but it still needs to be reconstructed , future generations need to be able to experienced the beautiful architecture that we got to enjoy

Of course it's not the same but I'd prefer a new 21st reconstruction that no notre Dame at all

And I can only imagine what absolute horror our worlds talentless modern architects would churn out in a contemporary interepretation/restoration , a full reconstruction is absolutely necessary

W1ll1s · 15-04-2019 8:42pm

Absolute shame.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1117867524341653504

ted1 · 15-04-2019 8:42pm

Sofia Damaged Lodging wrote: »

Even if they rebuild, it will only be a 21st century reconstruction of a medieval building. So much has been destroyed today that is irreplaceable.

New grange was built in 1960 people soon forget about rebuilds

Spanish Eyes · 15-04-2019 8:42pm

ted1 wrote: »

They can use a crane, lift and bucket etc and approach it from a top down

Good point, but will still be a tad dangerous I'd say.

Restoration of this may turn into something like the Sagrada Familia in Barcelona.

is_that_so · 15-04-2019 8:44pm

ted1 wrote: »

Newgrange was built in 1960 people soon forget about rebuilds

Ahem, re-imagined!

namloc1980 · 15-04-2019 8:45pm

Sofia Damaged Lodging wrote: »

Even if they rebuild, it will only be a 21st century reconstruction of a medieval building. So much has been destroyed today that is irreplaceable.

Indeed. Although the spire was only built/reconstructed in the 1860s.

Hurrache · 15-04-2019 8:46pm

W1ll1s wrote: »

Absolute shame.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1117867524341653504

A reasonably decent thing for Trump to say in fairness.

The Rape of Lucretia · 15-04-2019 8:50pm

"How we all wish the tears of the world at this sight could have fallen on the conflagration to quench it." Some Guy.

JPCN1 · 15-04-2019 8:50pm

Force Carrier wrote: »

Here's a live feed with no commentary

Very sad indeed. Can only see one ladder fighting in that picture which seems low?

Noveight · 15-04-2019 8:50pm

Varta wrote: »

Watching Notre Dame burning makes me feel so sad. It also makes me wonder if we are long past our zenith in terms of art and the creation of beautiful and lasting works. 850 years ago architects with pen and paper designed Notre Dame and builders without power tools built it. Yet today, with computer aided design and immense building power, all we get is glass boxes that will be lucky to last 50 years, never mind 850. While in fine art we get bland, talentless, rubbish that can only hang it's hat on controversy or shock value. A fragment of mankind's soul has been lost today. And I'm not referring to religion.

A post worthy of bumping up a bit.

Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris

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