Corona Virus and events

average_runner · 21-07-2020 10:23am

Chivito550 wrote: »

And now changed to a 3 day event including a Friday! And entry won't open until 4 days beforehand. An absolute mess. If we don't go to Phase 4 on August 10th then goodbye to any national championship events too.

Hard to know will they move to Phase 4. They said the international scene will determine it, but on that front cases are now rising in countries that were pretty strong in the past, ie Croatia, Austria etc

Snodge · 21-07-2020 2:16pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

And now changed to a 3 day event including a Friday! And entry won't open until 4 days beforehand. An absolute mess. If we don't go to Phase 4 on August 10th then goodbye to any national championship events too.

Yes, it's hard to see nationals going ahead in the event leinsters is cancelled which would be a pity. 4 days is very close for eateries, surely a provisional timetable will be published before that for athletes to plan training around which of the 3 days they will be racing.

It also baffles me as to how gaa teams can train and engage in contact sport as well as numerous matches/ friendly games and yet races can't go ahead

average_runner · 21-07-2020 2:28pm

Snodge wrote: »

Yes, it's hard to see nationals going ahead in the event leinsters is cancelled which would be a pity. 4 days is very close for eateries, surely a provisional timetable will be published before that for athletes to plan training around which of the 3 days they will be racing.

It also baffles me as to how gaa teams can train and engage in contact sport as well as numerous matches/ friendly games and yet races can't go ahead

Its not just gaa, most sport is back, soccer etc.
Gymnastics is back for my daughter and that is an indoor environment

Chivito550 · 21-07-2020 3:11pm

Snodge wrote: »

Yes, it's hard to see nationals going ahead in the event leinsters is cancelled which would be a pity. 4 days is very close for eateries, surely a provisional timetable will be published before that for athletes to plan training around which of the 3 days they will be racing.

It also baffles me as to how gaa teams can train and engage in contact sport as well as numerous matches/ friendly games and yet races can't go ahead

GAA were asking for dispensation to the 200 limit rule. Some neck on them. There'd be war if they were allowed that and other sports not.

I wonder is the Friday for Leinsters an evening, or deliberately during work time to cut down on numbers.

average_runner · 21-07-2020 3:34pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

GAA were asking for dispensation to the 200 limit rule. Some neck on them. There'd be war if they were allowed that and other sports not.

I wonder is the Friday for Leinsters an evening, or deliberately during work time to cut down on numbers.

Fair play for them to be asking. If you don't ask you don't get.

Rather be pro-active than sit back and be a sheep.

Athletics should be pushing for a solution to starting races.

echancrure · 21-07-2020 3:42pm

Snodge wrote: »

Yes, it's hard to see nationals going ahead in the event leinsters is cancelled which would be a pity. 4 days is very close for eateries, surely a provisional timetable will be published before that for athletes to plan training around which of the 3 days they will be racing.

It also baffles me as to how gaa teams can train and engage in contact sport as well as numerous matches/ friendly games and yet races can't go ahead

Look up North:
https://athleticsni.org/Fixtures/Track-and-Field/NI-and-Ulster-Senior-and-U18-to-U20-Track-and-Field-Championships-2020

robinph · 21-07-2020 8:22pm

Mass participation road running guidelines for the UK now released:

https://www.runnersworld.com/uk/news/a33381078/guidelines-mass-participation-races-covid/

Seem to be a few things left up in the air, presumably so that London can say they are still intending to go ahead at the weekend and then wait for further guidance nearer October. Won't be many big marathons which could work with this setup, but London probably could... If everyone walked to the start line or camped on Blackheath overnight beforehand.

echancrure · 21-07-2020 11:02pm

robinph wrote: »

Mass participation road running guidelines for the UK now released:

https://www.runnersworld.com/uk/news/a33381078/guidelines-mass-participation-races-covid/

Seem to be a few things left up in the air, presumably so that London can say they are still intending to go ahead at the weekend and then wait for further guidance nearer October. Won't be many big marathons which could work with this setup, but London probably could... If everyone walked to the start line or camped on Blackheath overnight beforehand.

Seems reasonable, good news for NI races?

The O · 27-07-2020 10:42am

What exactly is the story with road races under the AAI guidelines? A 4-miler in Co. Cork yesterday had no distancing at the start line, only one runner had a face covering on and there was a presentation after. I don't know whether there was number collection pre-race or not. The fact it had only ~70 runners isn't important, it was still a race.

The Kilbeggan 10 next month, on the other hand, is following the guidelines. 2 metre distancing at the start, face masks for all runners (to then dispose of in bins after 400m) and no presentation or on-the-day number collection. This is in line with the AAI advice.

Is it one rule for one and make up your own rule for the other?!

OutTheGap · 27-07-2020 10:57am

The O wrote: »

The Kilbeggan 10 next month, on the other hand, is following the guidelines. 2 metre distancing at the start, face masks for all runners (to then dispose of in bins after 400m) and no presentation or on-the-day number collection. This is in line with the AAI advice.

Would you have a link to these guidelines? I hadn't heard of the advice about having to wear face masks in a race before.

The O · 27-07-2020 11:10am

https://www.athleticsireland.ie/downloads/results/Road_Race_Participant_Guidlines(Phase_3_and_Phase_4).pdf

Ted_YNWA · 27-07-2020 11:10am

Here is some of what AAI circulated.

Chivito550 · 27-07-2020 12:03pm

Getting into the graded this morning was like trying to get U2 tickets!

They were to open at 6am but they actually opened 15 mins early. I set my alarm for 6am, and it took me 15 mins to get the entry through as the website kept crashing and I had to keep refreshing at each step to eventually get it through.

Went back to sleep, then woke up to see a message sent to me at 8am saying all 200m and 800m slots are gone.

OutTheGap · 27-07-2020 2:15pm

The O wrote: »

https://www.athleticsireland.ie/downloads/results/Road_Race_Participant_Guidlines(Phase_3_and_Phase_4).pdf

Thanks. It does say if advised by Dept. of Health after the advice on facemasks.

I've done a couple of races recently and it was made clear that the results would be determined by chip time so there was no real need to get right to the start line. People took their places at the start with a couple of minutes to go, were socially distancing and it was all fairly relaxed.

I think wearing a facemask at the start is a bit OTT but it is mentioned in the guidelines.

Chivito550 · 04-08-2020 7:15pm

No phase 4. Leinsters will probably be scrapped now.

I think Nationals should be fine. Only 246 entered so far and it's been open almost a week. They should be able to manage the event over 4 sessions with only athletes, officials and media present.

IvoryTower · 04-08-2020 7:48pm

Leinsters cancelled

Chivito550 · 04-08-2020 9:23pm

https://twitter.com/Cathal_Dennehy/status/1290743248928100352?s=19

robinph · 05-08-2020 4:43pm

The latest England Athletics guidelines get rid of the running 800m in every other lane, so only 3 per race daftness, and also gets rid of the starting 1500m at 200m intervals.

Now any race up to 3000m can be done as per normal, just with social distancing required before and after the event and the field size set at 6 for each race. Much more sensible set of guidelines.

Sacksian · 08-08-2020 1:57pm

Please let National Senior T&F Championships happen just so we can see the 10000m. 45 entries so far:

https://entry.athleticsireland.ie/entry/v5/competition/showEntriesV2.php?compid=194

Chivito550 · 08-08-2020 2:00pm

Sacksian wrote: »

Please let National Senior T&F Championships happen just so we can see the 10000m. 45 entries so far:

https://entry.athleticsireland.ie/entry/v5/competition/showEntriesV2.php?compid=194

And 60 in for the 5000m. I suspect A and B races for 10000m, A, B and C races for 5000m. No heats.

Sacksian · 08-08-2020 2:06pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

And 60 in for the 5000m. I suspect A and B races for 10000m, A, B and C races for 5000m. No heats.

You're probably right - it'd be a nightmare trying to keep track of laps for 50 athletes but the grading for the races will be controversial. Not only will two races for 10000m have a knock-on effect for scheduling but you've usually got team medals in the 10000m too so that'll have to be considered (or discarded).

The other problem is that not everyone entered for either the 10000m or 5000m will race - a load of the 5000m runners are in for the 1500 too. Doubling up for the distance events might have to be knocked on the head if it makes scheduling too difficult.

Chivito550 · 08-08-2020 2:40pm

Sacksian wrote: »

You're probably right - it'd be a nightmare trying to keep track of laps for 50 athletes but the grading for the races will be controversial. Not only will two races for 10000m have a knock-on effect for scheduling but you've usually got team medals in the 10000m too so that'll have to be considered (or discarded).

The other problem is that not everyone entered for either the 10000m or 5000m will race - a load of the 5000m runners are in for the 1500 too. Doubling up for the distance events might have to be knocked on the head if it makes scheduling too difficult.

If the event is split over 2 weekends, sprints should be one weekend, distance the next. If its on the one weekend, sprints and distance should not be in the same sessions. Basically schedule it in a way that makes it pretty much impossible for anybody to double up.

Jakey Rolling · 08-08-2020 6:18pm

Sacksian wrote: »

Please let National Senior T&F Championships happen just so we can see the 10000m. 45 entries so far:

https://entry.athleticsireland.ie/entry/v5/competition/showEntriesV2.php?compid=194

Any issues for the elites with the new World Athletics rules on track shoes? I'm assuming none of these lads wear their Alphaflys on the track. Do the newest sponsored elite spikes meet the regs e.g. one carbon plate, max sole height 25mm?

Sacksian · 08-08-2020 7:35pm

Jakey Rolling wrote: »

Any issues for the elites with the new World Athletics rules on track shoes? I'm assuming none of these lads wear their Alphaflys on the track. Do the newest sponsored elite spikes meet the regs e.g. one carbon plate, max sole height 25mm?

This is definitely an interesting development. I don't know the difference between the various Nike models but I think all but one of the guys in the recent Dublin Championships 10000m was wearing some flavour of big stack Nike road shoe.

Not a pair of spikes to be seen and, while it's not unusual not to wear spikes for 10000m, it was strange to see a whole field wearing big road shoes on the track. I suspect it would have been the same for the 5000m at Nationals without the stack height limits.

So, based on the 25mm limit, which of the recent road shoes make the cut? There might be a lot of people reconsidering their footwear for Nationals now.

average_runner · 09-08-2020 10:25am

Chivito550 wrote: »

If the event is split over 2 weekends, sprints should be one weekend, distance the next. If its on the one weekend, sprints and distance should not be in the same sessions. Basically schedule it in a way that makes it pretty much impossible for anybody to double up.

Given the situation, not sure we see much sport in sept sadly.

DukeCaboom · 09-08-2020 10:30am

Done my first race of the year yesterday. The 10k in ballyhoura. It was great just to be out again with the buzz of racing.

Chivito550 · 09-08-2020 12:45pm

average_runner wrote: »

Given the situation, not sure we see much sport in sept sadly.

It's August or never IMO.

average_runner · 09-08-2020 7:00pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

It's August or never IMO.

True, hope u can train in lockdown.

Sacksian · 10-08-2020 9:44pm

National Championships happening over four sessions/two weekends.

https://twitter.com/ianoriordan/status/1292921053099036674?s=20

Oiriallach · 11-08-2020 5:12pm

Now confirmed on the AAI website: https://www.athleticsireland.ie/news/national-championships-update.

OOnegative · 12-08-2020 11:22am

The rescheduled Paris marathon now cancelled

MY BAD · 12-08-2020 11:36am

I think Frankfurt is still going ahead for now

average_runner · 12-08-2020 1:38pm

MY BAD wrote: »

I think Frankfurt is still going ahead for now

Frankfurt went yesterday

Glencarraig · 12-08-2020 4:05pm

OOnegative wrote: »

The rescheduled Paris marathon now cancelled

Its about time they saw sense but how many have been affected by the two changes of date with regard to hotel/flight bookings. I'm still waiting for a voucher from Aer Fungus for the cancelled flight last April.

MY BAD · 12-08-2020 6:01pm

average_runner wrote: »

Frankfurt went yesterday

I see that now. I guess the days of the big city marathons are a thing of the past for the next year or so anyways.

ger664 · 12-08-2020 7:03pm

Madrid went today Defered until 26th September 2021

Sacksian · 12-08-2020 9:21pm

Good indication that it's not a normal year in athletics when it takes a sub-14 minute 5k to win a Dublin Graded race.

If the results are correct, 13:53.65 for Seán Tobin (and a pb)

https://graded.dublinathletics.com/results.php?year=2020&graded=graded3&raceid=5000m_M_A1

Itziger · 13-08-2020 10:49am

Sacksian wrote: »

Good indication that it's not a normal year in athletics when it takes a sub-14 minute 5k to win a Dublin Graded race.

If the results are correct, 13:53.65 for Seán Tobin (and a pb)

https://graded.dublinathletics.com/results.php?year=2020&graded=graded3&raceid=5000m_M_A1

I see from Strava that we had one or two decent performances from this parish too. Maybe not sub 14, but the 'normal person's' equivalent.

Murph_D · 13-08-2020 5:38pm

That’s the great thing about the graded meets - different standards available so anyone can show up and run some track in a non-judgemental environment.

. In normal times anyway - not so much this year with restricted entry, but still a wide variety of standards.

Sacksian · 13-08-2020 7:36pm

Murph_D wrote: »

That’s the great thing about the graded meets - different standards available so anyone can show up and run some track in a non-judgemental environment. . In normal times anyway - not so much this year with restricted entry, but still a wide variety of standards.

That's it - despite the restricted entries, I think all of the Graded meetings had roughly same range of standards. There were fewer numbers in the middle but the standard of the A grades in the men's 1500m on the first night and men's 5000m last night were pretty impressive.

Men's 5k last night had 13 of 20 under 15mins in the A Grade (all 20 well under 16 and all but a couple in the B grade under 16 too) while in the men's CD race, 9 of the 24 finished over 20 minutes.

That's a pretty good spread.

healy1835 · 16-08-2020 2:54pm

Charleville Half going ahead as an elite only race. 50 men and 50 ladies. They'd hardly need a 78 min pacer for back end of the ladies field would they?

Ceepo · 16-08-2020 7:34pm

healy1835 wrote: »

Charleville Half going ahead as an elite only race. 50 men and 50 ladies. They'd hardly need a 78 min pacer for back end of the ladies field would they?

Great to see this going ahead in some form.
Don't think they will have 50 elite ladies though.
So I'd say they will keep the 100 entries but the ratio will change.

BeepBeep67 · 19-08-2020 11:59am

"Please find the update issued by Sport Ireland last night in regard to the latest Covid advice.

Further specific details will be issued in the coming days from Sport Ireland but the good news is that we have had sign off from Sport Ireland that our Irish Life Health National Track & Field Championships can proceed as planned and training groups can continue to operate in multiple groups of 15."

https://www.athleticsireland.ie/news/coronavirus-covid-19-update

echancrure · 19-08-2020 12:44pm

So the new rule is it's groups of 15 maximum outdoor and 6 indoor unless it's an elite/professional event.

Bye bye road races in ROI till at least September 13.

Enduro · 19-08-2020 1:53pm

echancrure wrote: »

So the new rule is it's groups of 15 maximum outdoor and 6 indoor unless it's an elite/professional event.

Bye bye road races in ROI till at least September 13.

It's not at all clear that that is the case. Groups of 15 appears to be for training. GAA matches (non-pro) appear to be fine, once behind closed doors, which is 15 + 15 + subs + managers + officials, so a lot more than just 15 in that case.

event · 19-08-2020 5:22pm

for GAA each club is allowed 40. Thats players, managers, physios etc

MY BAD · 19-08-2020 5:31pm

Enduro wrote: »

It's not at all clear that that is the case. Groups of 15 appears to be for training. GAA matches (non-pro) appear to be fine, once behind closed doors, which is 15 + 15 + subs + managers + officials, so a lot more than just 15 in that case.

I don't see any issue with a track or xc meet with the current restrictions. I suppose it's a bit grey when it comes to road races

average_runner · 20-08-2020 9:23am

event wrote: »

for GAA each club is allowed 40. Thats players, managers, physios etc

And if juvenile, a parent is also allowed to.attend

Stark · 20-08-2020 10:17am

IMRA got stung by permits. With the lack of clarity, landowners (such as Coillte, NPWS) automatically rescinded all permits.

opus · 20-08-2020 11:34am

Stark wrote: »

IMRA got stung by permits. With the lack of clarity, landowners (such as Coillte, NPWS) automatically rescinded all permits.

About that, wonder if Run the Line will go ahead in mid-Nov, it's all I've got left now that ever other thing I'd entered has bit the dust.

Corona Virus and events

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