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Go-Ahead Dublin City Routes - Updates and Discussion

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  • #3402
    Bigmac1euro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭Bigmac1euro


    Day 1 bus is 30 minutes late
    Day 2 bus is a no show.


    Day 3 it will probably come driving through my living room wall. Ahhh yeah go ahead buddy


  • #3403
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    I know a driver in go ahead and apparently there was a few minor collisions which took quite a few buses off the road, but they don't have the parts available to them at present to carry out repairs needed to get them back on the road. So they could be left in a similar position as DUBLIN Bus have plenty of times before, "what do we prioritise with reduced availability."
    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Just a guess that such SLAs may have some kind of cooling off period attached with them to allow for any teething issues.

    Usually happens where I work. The SLA would be reported on new accounts and services for an initially period, but not penalised for any failure. To see whether or not it's possible first. And to give operations the chance to adjust, for any short comings identified in service.


  • #3404
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    In addition to the protruding mirrors, they have a tendency to abruptly jump forward, rather than creep, as the driver releases the brake. This makes maneuvering extremely difficult. There have been several similar incidents, so it's obviously a fundamental design fault, rather than simple driver error. Eventually, this will result in injuries or deaths.

    I doubt the brakes are a fault, they'd be taken off the road if it's the case. There's a lot of people driving with go ahead who are new to these types of vehicles and probably weren't also used to automatics either. I suspect they are going harder on the throttle than they expected.


  • #3405
    cherryghost
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Stephen Gawking wrote: »
    Has anyone heard of a delay in the final transfer of routes frim DB to GAI? The 18 /76 apparently aren't being transferred until the end of march. Looking really shambolic at this stage. Hope its not true as this whole saga has been dominated by 'teething problems.'

    That's terrible if true. The 76/a is unreliable as-is, and often full to the brim halfway through the journey. Some of the DB routes is in bad need of increased frequency following the handoff of these routes. Honestly it was one thing I was holding onto in my area for improved travel time (the awful 13 would have benefitted from increased frequency)


  • #3406
    Thrashssacre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭Thrashssacre


    cherryghost wrote: »
    That's terrible if true. The 76/a is unreliable as-is, and often full to the brim halfway through the journey. Some of the DB routes is in bad need of increased frequency following the handoff of these routes. Honestly it was one thing I was holding onto in my area for improved travel time (the awful 13 would have benefitted from increased frequency)

    The 13 is fine bar a half hour to 45 minuite period in the morning peak. Not sure about the north side end but in all my years of getting it only once could I not get on and in fairness I was at the red cow at about 6pm

    76 needs a serious overhaul. Filled to the brim even outside peak, no shows are a daily occurrences and the real time is absolutely no use a lot of the time.


  • #3407
    cherryghost
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Thrashssacre wrote: »
    The 13 is fine bar a half hour to 45 minuite period in the morning peak. Not sure about the north side end but in all my years of getting it only once could I not get on and in fairness I was at the red cow at about 6pm

    76 needs a serious overhaul. Filled to the brim even outside peak, no shows are a daily occurrences and the real time is absolutely no use a lot of the time.

    I use the 13 a lot many times during the day due to my erratic work hours against my will (I always try to use 151 where possible). Bus is normally full after 7:15 til 9am. It's full mid morning quite often on weekdays because of a backup of buses after rushhour (there's a gap of sometimes an hour due to congestion of buses finishing its routes). The bus is full (along with 40) from CC outwards from around 4:30pm right out past 8pm. It's also terrible for bunching at all hours due to its long convoluted, lack of bus lanes, route.


  • #3408
    Thrashssacre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭Thrashssacre


    The bunching is fairly common due to the route length and yes busses are busy but it’s extreamly rare for them to be so full as to stop taking passengers. outside of peak hours I’ve never had a problem getting a seat once the bus has gotten to the end of dame street which is acceptable in my opinion, any route traversing the city should be busy at peak times. I think splitting the route into a north side and Southside route like it use to be would be a good idea though the bunching can ridiculous at times same goes for the 40


  • #3409
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Stephen Gawking wrote: »
    Has anyone heard of a delay in the final transfer of routes frim DB to GAI? The 18 /76 apparently aren't being transferred until the end of march. Looking really shambolic at this stage. Hope its not true as this whole saga has been dominated by 'teething problems.'

    The new route 155 is meant to be starting when the 18 transfers which is meant to be no later than early March. I don't what the problems taking over the 18 and 76 are. How could get drivers to start every other route but not these or is there another issue that's not getting drivers.


  • #3410
    StreetLight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,440 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    Stephen Gawking wrote: »
    Has anyone heard of a delay in the final transfer of routes frim DB to GAI? The 18 /76 apparently aren't being transferred until the end of march. Looking really shambolic at this stage. Hope its not true as this whole saga has been dominated by 'teething problems.'

    Exactly what I said over a week ago.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109118554&postcount=3242


  • #3411
    TallGlass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    markpb wrote: »
    I’d be very surprised if the NTA and GAI blindly assumed (like many here) that the changeover would be seamless, that everything would go according to plan and that the timetables would be perfect on day one. Even an ounce of common sense would say that they had planned for interruption. It’s not ideal but it was always extremely likely to happen.


    I knew this would be a rocky hand over. Too many 'new' variables at play. Throw enough mud however and some will stick sort of approach from NTA, rather than a gentle easing in of services over 2 years.


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  • #3412
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,694 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    cherryghost wrote: »
    I use the 13 a lot many times during the day due to my erratic work hours against my will (I always try to use 151 where possible). Bus is normally full after 7:15 til 9am. It's full mid morning quite often on weekdays because of a backup of buses after rushhour (there's a gap of sometimes an hour due to congestion of buses finishing its routes). The bus is full (along with 40) from CC outwards from around 4:30pm right out past 8pm. It's also terrible for bunching at all hours due to its long convoluted, lack of bus lanes, route.

    The 13 is a nightmare, to be avoided like the plague. iIt's too long. There's crushloads on a 15 minute frequency until 9pm. If you try to get it on Thomas St in the evening, you may as well take a book and settle in for a long wait.

    It's always worth the walk to the 151, 68 or 69 if possible.


  • #3413
    cherryghost
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    dfx- wrote: »
    The 13 is a nightmare, to be avoided like the plague. iIt's too long. There's crushloads on a 15 minute frequency until 9pm. If you try to get it on Thomas St in the evening, you may as well take a book and settle in for a long wait.

    It's always worth the walk to the 151, 68 or 69 if possible.

    I know but
    a) 68 runs once an hour and can be unreliable
    b) 151 I get more often during commuting hours but its full at times and because of frequency, if one doesnt make it, sometimes it can be 20/30 mins before the next one.
    c) 68x runs at a weird time, doesnt get into town by either 8am or 9am.
    d) 69 too far.
    e) 51D runs too late in the morning for myself.

    So process of elimination the ****show of the 13 becomes my only option at times.


  • #3414
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    I doubt the brakes are a fault, they'd be taken off the road if it's the case. There's a lot of people driving with go ahead who are new to these types of vehicles and probably weren't also used to automatics either. I suspect they are going harder on the throttle than they expected.

    You don't even need to touch the throttle for them to take off. It's impossible to maneuver them with any level of precision. Experienced drivers have had issues with them too.


  • #3415
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    TallGlass wrote: »
    I knew this would be a rocky hand over. Too many 'new' variables at play. Throw enough mud however and some will stick sort of approach from NTA, rather than a gentle easing in of services over 2 years.

    2 years ! Why such a long time frame ? I've heard nothing about the 17A since about a week after launch.


  • #3416
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    The SG model was totally different to anything we ever had.

    If you release the handbrake it does nothing that's why when you do put the foot on to get moving they jump.

    Terrible bus.


  • #3417
    Technocentral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭Technocentral


    Why does the TFI app have the 220s destination as Kilmacanogue (place in Wicklow)? It Just went by me in Finglas (on time) the destination on its front was Ballymun.


  • #3418
    n!ghtmancometh
    Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭n!ghtmancometh


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    The SG model was totally different to anything we ever had.

    If you release the handbrake it does nothing that's why when you do put the foot on to get moving they jump.

    Terrible bus.

    Happened this evening on a jam packed hardly any room for standing 69, moving off from the lights on the Naas Road. Engine revved for a second or two before jolting off. Great fun when you are struggling to keep a grip of the grab bars for balance.


  • #3419
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    n!ghtmancometh wrote: »
    Happened this evening on a jam packed hardly any room for standing 69, moving off from the lights on the Naas Road. Engine revved for a second or two before jolting off. Great fun when you are struggling to keep a grip of the grab bars for balance.

    Just so you're aware it's not us driver's and we can be going at a walking pace and it feels as a passenger like we are speeding.

    They are shockingly bad and very uncomfortable.

    Every little crack, bump and pot hole.
    Ramps are back breaking.


  • #3420
    thomasj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,837 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Pretty sure I just saw a go ahead single decker bus that was brought over for training , in service with passengers on board heading through Blanchardstown centre.

    At the back ,it said out of service , so I presume it has a paper destination on the front .


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  • #3421
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    thomasj wrote: »
    Pretty sure I just saw a go ahead single decker bus that was brought over for training , in service with passengers on board heading through Blanchardstown centre.

    At the back ,it said out of service , so I presume it has a paper destination on the front .

    Wasn't this by any chance????


  • #3422
    thomasj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,837 ✭✭✭thomasj


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Wasn't this by any chance????

    This one


  • #3423
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    thomasj wrote: »
    This one

    Yes they were ex UK, well ran in too.

    Didn't think they would use in service as wouldn't have expected them to be fitted out with machines, are you sure it wasn't new drivers and other staff.


  • #3424
    thomasj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,837 ✭✭✭thomasj


    I could be wrong, i only saw a quick glance, when the bus was turning, but im fairly sure i saw people sitting down, halfway down the bus.


  • #3425
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    thomasj wrote: »
    I could be wrong, i only saw a quick glance, when the bus was turning, but im fairly sure i saw people sitting down, halfway down the bus.

    Most likely newbie's....

    They have been seen with 12 or more at sometimes.


  • #3426
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    thomasj wrote: »
    Pretty sure I just saw a go ahead single decker bus that was brought over for training , in service with passengers on board heading through Blanchardstown centre.

    At the back ,it said out of service , so I presume it has a paper destination on the front .

    I doubt it was in service as these buses as I can't see these buses having any ticket machines, leap readers or auto fare boxes.

    I'd say it was either a class of trainees or a staff shuttle to take staff from Ballymount to Blanchardstown in order to start duties there. I know they run one from Ballymount to DL sometimes aswell.


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  • #3427
    ax586
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭ax586


    thomasj wrote: »
    Pretty sure I just saw a go ahead single decker bus that was brought over for training , in service with passengers on board heading through Blanchardstown centre.

    At the back ,it said out of service , so I presume it has a paper destination on the front .

    There being used as staff shuttle buses


  • #3428
    Lord Glentoran
    Closed Accounts Posts: 876 ✭✭✭Lord Glentoran


    Technocentral wrote: »
    Whatever the reason, private sector showing up leads to better services for the public.

    *reads the Dublin Coach thread*


  • #3429
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Wasn't this by any chance????

    That bus is for the low emission bus trial. Do Go Ahead have this bus in their depot?

    I've been hearing about the 114 on here as well. All I can say is good grief; what a disaster. To hear there was no buses running from Monday morning apparently right into lunchtime is an appalling start for the route. Have they improved their time on the route at all up until now?


  • #3430
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    That bus is for the low emission bus trial. Do Go Ahead have this bus in their depot?

    I think the buses for the low emission trials are based in Broadstone but Go-Ahead have the contract to provide drivers for them. They're being trialled in Cork aswell so the ones there are probably based in Capwell also being driven by GAI drivers.

    I'm not sure what the story is with the those low emissions buses as the ones shown in that picture are fully electric single deckers. Are the NTA planning to buy electric single deckers aswell as hybrid double deckers now?


  • #3431
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    I thought the GTs won't start service with GAI until February. I heard from Flickr recently that 10 GTs still hadn't been repainted in the new TFI livery yet. Only 2 of the 12 GTs at Balllymount have the new livery painted on them to date. Has that information been updated to include all of them repainted?

    Entered service today saw one in DL parked up I believe it operated a 75 earlier in the day. I also believe one was spotted on the 17a aswell today. There are seven GTs now with yellow applied to them and all the SGs they have now have yellow applied too.


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  • #3432
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    6 hybrid buses are on trial with DB.

    They must be looking into the full EV as that is the UK way now too.


  • #3433
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    6 hybrid buses are on trial with DB.

    They must be looking into the full EV as that is the UK way now too.

    Apart from a few trials in London there have yet to be any double decker EVs produced. What hybrid buses do they have on trial I've only seen is a Wright bodied London bus with the same front as a BE VWD.


  • #3434
    spoonerhead
    Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭spoonerhead


    Driver on the 17 bus is either drunk, living on nerves or maybe both... in and out of stops like a yo-yo. Has anyone any idea what kind of training was involved before getting the buses into service by GAI?


  • #3435
    ax586
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭ax586


    spoonerhead wrote: »
    Driver on the 17 bus is either drunk, living on nerves or maybe both... in and out of stops like a yo-yo. Has anyone any idea what kind of training was involved before getting the buses into service by GAI?

    That's a very bold claim..I highly doubt there drunk cause they wouldn't even made out of the garage with a job..I say it's nerves and the trainers a good trainers most are from go-ahead London and are very good they have patients like saints plus the drivers go through the same test as every other bus driver in the country.


  • #3436
    ax586
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭ax586


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    That bus is for the low emission bus trial. Do Go Ahead have this bus in their depot?

    I've been hearing about the 114 on here as well. All I can say is good grief; what a disaster. To hear there was no buses running from Monday morning apparently right into lunchtime is an appalling start for the route. Have they improved their time on the route at all up until now?

    No they are in broadstone GAI won a tender to do the tests for it there is GAI drivers driving them and the drivers them in cork aswel.


  • #3437
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Apart from a few trials in London there have yet to be any double decker EVs produced. What hybrid buses do they have on trial I've only seen is a Wright bodied London bus with the same front as a BE VWD.

    What I meant was the picture I put up of the full EV single decker which London are using.


    They have been using double deck hybrids for years.

    I believe they are trialing 3 different models but I would need to check as I did hear but haven't seen them yet.


  • #3438
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    spoonerhead wrote: »
    Driver on the 17 bus is either drunk, living on nerves or maybe both... in and out of stops like a yo-yo. Has anyone any idea what kind of training was involved before getting the buses into service by GAI?

    They probably only went into service this week - give them a break. Unlike most other jobs, bus drivers have to make all their rookie mistakes in public. On my first couple of days, I was constantly stopping either a foot away from the kerb or loudly crunching against it.


  • #3439
    RobbingBandit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,193 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    104 this morning at Beaumont hospital was hilarious driver change tool 15 minutes fed up driver of 17a stuck behind this 104 wanted to lampoon the driver when he finally did take off he spluttered up and out onto the Beaumont road I jumped off after 2 stops having boarded 25 minutes before hand a 6 minute journey more than quadrupled. The TFI alert wasn't working for go ahead buses travesty of a system. I still find it disturbing buses serving a vital hospital were put out to tender, the hospital are of little to no help regarding enquiries to the standards of the bus services but that was always the case in the past few years if you are late for an appointment make prior preparations regardless of your dependence on the public transport.


  • #3440
    ax586
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭ax586


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    They probably only went into service this week - give them a break. Unlike most other jobs, bus drivers have to make all their rookie mistakes in public. On my first couple of days, I was constantly stopping either a foot away from the kerb or loudly crunching against it.

    I was constantly stopping a foot away from the kerb and I still scrape the kerb to this day


  • #3441
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    The new sg has a new metal lip that sticks out further then ever before so this gives one almighty bang and looks you get.....


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  • #3442
    Here we go
    Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭Here we go


    spoonerhead wrote: »
    Driver on the 17 bus is either drunk, living on nerves or maybe both... in and out of stops like a yo-yo. Has anyone any idea what kind of training was involved before getting the buses into service by GAI?

    He's probably keeping time he may have been running fast some controllers say pull into every bus stop if there's some one there or not hell learn what it takes him at different times of the day and adjust most just leave 5 mins late so there playing catch up


  • #3443
    dashcamdanny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭dashcamdanny


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    The new sg has a new metal lip that sticks out further then ever before so this gives one almighty bang and looks you get.....

    Wake you up dosent it. :D:D


  • #3444
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    The new sg has a new metal lip that sticks out further then ever before so this gives one almighty bang and looks you get.....

    Yeah I noticed an awful scraping noise when pulling away from a kerb on an 2018 SG. What's the point on such a thing surely it must serve some purpose can't see any with this though.


  • #3445
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    dashcamdanny wrote: »
    Wake you up dosent it. :D:D

    I had one yesterday where the mirror arm was as bent as an s hook.... It made it seem further away until bang and I'm like ah fcuk it......

    Such terrible design. I know why it's there to protect the ramp but it just doesn't work with castle curving.

    There are over 500 sg vehicles now, obviously minus the ones in go ahead which are now 111### etc


  • #3446
    Giblet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,986 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    114 a shambles again today, first three buses didn't arrive.


  • #3447
    mbradso2003
    Closed Accounts Posts: 261 ✭✭mbradso2003


    Joke I live in terminus and still cannot rely on it.


  • #3448
    Joegriffin2019
    Registered Users Posts: 44 ✭Joegriffin2019


    Go Ahead to get at least 5 more SG type next month. Some street lites may be moving....


  • #3449
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Joegriffin2019 wrote: »
    Go Ahead to get at least 5 more SG type next month. Some street lites may be moving....

    Are they moving to DB or BE for local work. Will the SGs be transferred from DB or brand new?


  • #3450
    Joegriffin2019
    Registered Users Posts: 44 ✭Joegriffin2019


    They are ment to be new ones from the Dublin bus batch. I do not know where the streetlites are going. Go Ahead do not need the full allocation. Some have still not entered service yet.


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  • #3451
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Oh god I don't want the displeasure of driving a streetlite


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