Blatant Cheating

pakman · 25-08-2020 5:10pm

gman127 wrote: »

Yep

Ok now I'm interested. I played with the brother of the lad who is our 62 point leader, in last years final group. Dad out caddying for him on the back nine which got my nose right out of joint.

gypsy79 · 25-08-2020 5:21pm

This sounds really sad. I would be letting him know I think he is a cheat

Seve OB · 25-08-2020 6:17pm

I agree with blue note.
Handicap makes golf great that you can compete against everybody.
A high handicapper with ability will always have the chance to shoot a great score but when they do, they get cut. If they keep playing and shooting good scores then they will keep getting cut.
If theY mind their handicap like mentioned above, I’m not sure there is a lot you can do about it except report them to handicap sec for a cut on observation.

There is one thing about minding their handicap , but thE post above about reporting wrong scores is most definitely cheating.

The thing about it is I have often been called a bandit, a term I think can be abused, sure I may have the ability to shoot good shots and scores, but if I really was a bandit, I’d have a few captains prizes and other majors in the bag by now.

I remember when I was A kid and a high handicapper In the 20’s, someone told me to make sure I collect on the way in........ Maybe I collected the wrong prizes haha

Ottoman_1000 · 26-08-2020 11:08am

Seve OB wrote: »

I agree with blue note.
Handicap makes golf great that you can compete against everybody.
A high handicapper with ability will always have the chance to shoot a great score but when they do, they get cut. If they keep playing and shooting good scores then they will keep getting cut.
If theY mind their handicap like mentioned above, I’m not sure there is a lot you can do about it except report them to handicap sec for a cut on observation.

There is one thing about minding their handicap , but thE post above about reporting wrong scores is most definitely cheating.

The thing about it is I have often been called a bandit, a term I think can be abused, sure I may have the ability to shoot good shots and scores, but if I really was a bandit, I’d have a few captains prizes and other majors in the bag by now.

I remember when I was A kid and a high handicapper In the 20’s, someone told me to make sure I collect on the way in........ Maybe I collected the wrong prizes haha

The bandit term is the most ridiculous thing in golf...I am going through my worst spell of golf in a long time. Got my ACL operated on last year and missed a whole year of golf and it has set me back no end. I am trying to play off 13 at the minute and was struggling until I had 42 points at the weekend, it was out of no where to be honest, I was delighted obviously but I flucked at least 5/6 points on the round. Coming of the 18th after finalising the cards and one of my playing partners accuses me of been a bandit when I reveal my score and he sick of this place as its full of them. My previous 7 rounds I had scores of 30,27,27,29,26,28 and 24. This score was completely out of sync of where my form is at but sure what can you do...if I am a bandit then everybody that has played the game is one as this has happened to every single golfer. A freak score out of nowhere!! All I want to do is get my game back to where I am threatening single figures again, I could give a hoots about claiming prizes in some random run of the mill Sunday competition!!

spacecoyote · 26-08-2020 11:18am

Seve OB wrote: »

I agree with blue note.
Handicap makes golf great that you can compete against everybody.
A high handicapper with ability will always have the chance to shoot a great score but when they do, they get cut. If they keep playing and shooting good scores then they will keep getting cut.
If theY mind their handicap like mentioned above, I’m not sure there is a lot you can do about it except report them to handicap sec for a cut on observation.

There is one thing about minding their handicap , but thE post above about reporting wrong scores is most definitely cheating.

The thing about it is I have often been called a bandit, a term I think can be abused, sure I may have the ability to shoot good shots and scores, but if I really was a bandit, I’d have a few captains prizes and other majors in the bag by now.

I remember when I was A kid and a high handicapper In the 20’s, someone told me to make sure I collect on the way in........ Maybe I collected the wrong prizes haha

Ah, but you are a bandit Seve

gman127 · 26-08-2020 11:48am

Ottoman_1000 wrote: »

The bandit term is the most ridiculous thing in golf...I am going through my worst spell of golf in a long time. Got my ACL operated on last year and missed a whole year of golf and it has set me back no end. I am trying to play off 13 at the minute and was struggling until I had 42 points at the weekend, it was out of no where to be honest, I was delighted obviously but I flucked at least 5/6 points on the round. Coming of the 18th after finalising the cards and one of my playing partners accuses me of been a bandit when I reveal my score and he sick of this place as its full of them. My previous 7 rounds I had scores of 30,27,27,29,26,28 and 24. This score was completely out of sync of where my form is at but sure what can you do...if I am a bandit then everybody that has played the game is one as this has happened to every single golfer. A freak score out of nowhere!! All I want to do is get my game back to where I am threatening single figures again, I could give a hoots about claiming prizes in some random run of the mill Sunday competition!!

That seems harsh of your playing partner I'd say. 42 points off of 13 isn't outrageous. So you shot a 7 over gross score. That's good golf imo. Would he say the same of a 6 handicapper shooting level par gross I wonder??

PARlance · 26-08-2020 12:39pm

Ottoman_1000 wrote: »

The bandit term is the most ridiculous thing in golf...I am going through my worst spell of golf in a long time. Got my ACL operated on last year and missed a whole year of golf and it has set me back no end. I am trying to play off 13 at the minute and was struggling until I had 42 points at the weekend, it was out of no where to be honest, I was delighted obviously but I flucked at least 5/6 points on the round. Coming of the 18th after finalising the cards and one of my playing partners accuses me of been a bandit when I reveal my score and he sick of this place as its full of them. My previous 7 rounds I had scores of 30,27,27,29,26,28 and 24. This score was completely out of sync of where my form is at but sure what can you do...if I am a bandit then everybody that has played the game is one as this has happened to every single golfer. A freak score out of nowhere!! All I want to do is get my game back to where I am threatening single figures again, I could give a hoots about claiming prizes in some random run of the mill Sunday competition!!

Sometimes the term bandit can be thrown around loosely/jokingly but it doesn't seem to be the case in this instance. I hope you put him in his place.

Seve OB · 26-08-2020 7:38pm

spacecoyote wrote: »

Ah, but you are a bandit Seve

I was going to say all bandits don’t wear masks, but sure at the moment............

Shot 30 points today. Lost 3 balls early on, I think I’m trying to hard to not hit bad and wild shots and it’s not suiting my game. Few months ago there were no comps and I was flushing it and shooting savage scores. Since then I think I’ve had 3 games in the buffer, about 7 games about the 30pointS or Slightly under and had a couple of good four ball games on the 36ish point mark. Team comp last week was my best score in months, shot 38 on my own, but a bloody team comp so no cut, we came 3rd with 89 so I suppose that kind of carry on deserves to have me called a bandit lol.

Captains on Saturday, was feeling that I could possibly shoot a score up till about 3 hours ago when I walked off the course having played my worst game in ages. Now I think I will be happy with the buffer.....but if I do win a prize I guess I’ll have to make sure the Bandit mask is on when I’m collecting haha

Ottoman_1000 · 26-08-2020 8:44pm

PARlance wrote: »

Sometimes the term bandit can be thrown around loosely/jokingly but it doesn't seem to be the case in this instance. I hope you put him in his place.

to be honest I was a bit shocked at his reaction so I didn't say anything. he just walked off anyway. I don't personally know the guy as the club has big numbers and I just stick my name down at the weekend anywhere I can get in. But I will be making sure to avoid that lad in the future at all costs....

spacecoyote · 27-08-2020 7:57am

Seve OB wrote: »

I was going to say all bandits don’t wear masks, but sure at the moment............

Shot 30 points today. Lost 3 balls early on, I think I’m trying to hard to not hit bad and wild shots and it’s not suiting my game. Few months ago there were no comps and I was flushing it and shooting savage scores. Since then I think I’ve had 3 games in the buffer, about 7 games about the 30pointS or Slightly under and had a couple of good four ball games on the 36ish point mark. Team comp last week was my best score in months, shot 38 on my own, but a bloody team comp so no cut, we came 3rd with 89 so I suppose that kind of carry on deserves to have me called a bandit lol.

Captains on Saturday, was feeling that I could possibly shoot a score up till about 3 hours ago when I walked off the course having played my worst game in ages. Now I think I will be happy with the buffer.....but if I do win a prize I guess I’ll have to make sure the Bandit mask is on when I’m collecting haha

Ah I'm in the same boat as you myself Seve. Think I've maybe 3 buffers and 6 0.1s since qualifying came back and just cant put a round together

Seve OB · 30-08-2020 12:49am

Seve OB wrote: »

Maybe I collected the wrong prizes haha

Finally picked up the right prize today

And a cut

39 points. Bandit score?

slingerz · 30-08-2020 8:38am

You wouldn’t come near a cut in our place with 39. I know a lad that has not shot worse than 35 since the lockdown. He’s only gone from 12 to 11. Absolutely battering lads in the club match play as well.

princess poppy · 30-08-2020 11:13am

etxp wrote: »

Seen plenty,

Playing up the ninth before teeing it up in the comp (not matchplay)

The practicing before the round really gets on my tits though!

You are entitled to play on the course before any competition as long as its not a stroke play competition, so you better no call anyone out on that

EDIT: Sorry, I have since been educated that I am incorrect in my understanding of ‘stroke play’, original poster was indeed correct

princess poppy · 30-08-2020 11:30am

padmcv wrote: »

I've heard of this being done by the group in front as a warning to stop hitting into them

I did that with a ball once from a pair that were hitting Dow on us all day but we were all being held up. Except I teed it up on the next tee box for him, made us feel a lot better!!!

Seve OB · 30-08-2020 11:46am

princess poppy wrote: »

You are entitled to play on the course before any competition as long as its not a stroke play competition, so you better no call anyone out on that

Posted correctly excluded matchplay in his statement.
Rule 5.2 explicitly says playing or practice is not allowed on course before any competition.
So he would not be wrong to call anyone out on it.

Perhaps your club has a local rule which would allow it?

princess poppy · 30-08-2020 12:15pm

Seve OB wrote: »

Posted correctly excluded matchplay in his statement.
Rule 5.2 explicitly says playing or practice is not allowed on course before any competition.
So he would not be wrong to call anyone out on it.

Perhaps your club has a local rule which would allow it?

I stand corrected seve, I always understood stroke play to be total shots, I thought Stableford was separate, not a form of stroke play.
Ya learn something every day,

well done yesterday, am sure you’re chuffed

Seve OB · 30-08-2020 12:41pm

princess poppy wrote: »

I stand corrected seve, I always understood stroke play to be total shots, I thought Stableford was separate, not a form of stroke play.
Ya learn something every day,

well done yesterday, am sure you’re chuffed

Thanks princess
Yea still buzzing, can’t wait to see the name go up on the wall now

charlieIRL · 30-08-2020 11:16pm

Seve OB wrote: »

Thanks princess
Yea still buzzing, can’t wait to see the name go up on the wall now

Will you stick up a proper post on it, not many of us have won what you won!! Well done.

bobbyy gee · 30-08-2020 11:18pm

you know all the biggest cheaters are golfers must be at least 20%

TCM · 30-08-2020 11:56pm

AcidLollyPop wrote:

- Youre having fun/doing things you want in your life now. Make sure youre saving (not hoarding). I just get this impression (am open to that am wrong) from your need to afirm/get validation that its hoarding, not saving.

BraveDonut wrote:

Told a guy he couldn't play the ball outside of his 3 minutes and he was not happy

Your some stickler.

GreeBo · 31-08-2020 7:47am

TCM wrote: »

Your some stickler.

For obeying the rules?!

BoardsMember · 31-08-2020 9:52am

TCM wrote: »

Your some stickler.

Yes, its an interesting topic. Someone is considered a stickler, or the bad guy, for pointing out the rules to someone else. Not uncommon.

blue note · 31-08-2020 10:14am

It's one that people haven't gotten used to. Really, people ignored the 5 minute rule all the time. If you call a group through, by the time they've reached you your 5 minutes was possibly up. But in reality a lot of people used to keep looking while they played their second and finished up on the green. Probably closer to 12 minutes.

So if people ignored the 5 minutes so much, I'm not convinced the 3 minutes will be a rule people will pay attention to.

There is a fairness issue to it, because since some will obey it and some won't, those that obey it will be at a disadvantage and might feel put out that. And they're right, they will be at a disadvantage to those who ignore it. Ideally everyone would obey it, but I don't see this happening.

DuckSlice · 31-08-2020 10:17am

Seve OB wrote: »

Posted correctly excluded matchplay in his statement.
Rule 5.2 explicitly says playing or practice is not allowed on course before any competition.
So he would not be wrong to call anyone out on it.

Perhaps your club has a local rule which would allow it?

And to be totally correct you can practice putting/chipping on or around the first tee before you tee off.

prawnsambo · 31-08-2020 10:25am

blue note wrote: »

It's one that people haven't gotten used to. Really, people ignored the 5 minute rule all the time. If you call a group through, by the time they've reached you your 5 minutes was possibly up. But in reality a lot of people used to keep looking while they played their second and finished up on the green. Probably closer to 12 minutes.

So if people ignored the 5 minutes so much, I'm not convinced the 3 minutes will be a rule people will pay attention to.

There is a fairness issue to it, because since some will obey it and some won't, those that obey it will be at a disadvantage and might feel put out that. And they're right, they will be at a disadvantage to those who ignore it. Ideally everyone would obey it, but I don't see this happening.

It's also part of the slow play problem. You regularly see a whole group looking for a ball, for longer than the allotted three minutes. Then, eventually give up, the guy who lost the ball walks back up the fairway to play his provisional (he could have played it first as it landed shorter than where the 1st ball was deemed to have been lost) and then the others in the group set up and play their shots. All of which can eat up over ten minutes while the next group stand frustratedly on the tee box waiting for the clown show to come to an end. Rinse and repeat.

GreeBo · 31-08-2020 10:29am

etxp wrote: »

And to be totally correct you can practice putting/chipping on or around the first tee before you tee off.

You can do it on any tee you are about to play from and on/around the previous green, including chipping & putting unless there is a local rule preventing it.

5.5b

GreeBo · 31-08-2020 10:30am

BoardsMember wrote: »

Yes, its an interesting topic. Someone is considered a stickler, or the bad guy, for pointing out the rules to someone else. Not uncommon.

I think its a bit of an Irish cute whore thing.

DuckSlice · 31-08-2020 10:38am

GreeBo wrote: »

You can do it on any tee you are about to play from and on/around the previous green, including chipping & putting unless there is a local rule preventing it.

5.5b

You are right, I was just referring to before the start of the round.

BoardsMember · 31-08-2020 10:40am

blue note wrote: »

It's one that people haven't gotten used to. Really, people ignored the 5 minute rule all the time. If you call a group through, by the time they've reached you your 5 minutes was possibly up. But in reality a lot of people used to keep looking while they played their second and finished up on the green. Probably closer to 12 minutes.

So if people ignored the 5 minutes so much, I'm not convinced the 3 minutes will be a rule people will pay attention to.

There is a fairness issue to it, because since some will obey it and some won't, those that obey it will be at a disadvantage and might feel put out that. And they're right, they will be at a disadvantage to those who ignore it. Ideally everyone would obey it, but I don't see this happening.

This is interesting! I understand what you are saying, but I totally disagree.

You could make this argument for any rule that people break. Because that's what we're talking about here, it's breaking the rules.

Effectively what you're saying is that it is ok to break the rules if you believe that others will be doing so. Effectively we should all be playing by the same rules, but sometimes not necessarily the rules of golf.

It very much opens the door to other rules being broken because others do it, like when taking a wrong drop for example: choosing not to take the nearest point of relief because it happens to be in a bush, and because others always do it that way, so taking the nearest point of relief that is a nice spot where you have a nice swing (this happens a fair bit!).

The rules are black and white. Dangerous ground to be condoning not playing by the rules. That the argument is so that others don't get an unfair advantage by you playing by the rules is not a great line.

hurleronditch · 31-08-2020 10:46am

BoardsMember wrote: »

This is interesting! I understand what you are saying, but I totally disagree.

You could make this argument for any rule that people break. Because that's what we're talking about here, it's breaking the rules.

Effectively what you're saying is that it is ok to break the rules if you believe that others will be doing so. Effectively we should all be playing by the same rules, but sometimes not necessarily the rules of golf.

It very much opens the door to other rules being broken because others do it, like when taking a wrong drop for example: choosing not to take the nearest point of relief because it happens to be in a bush, and because others always do it that way, so taking the nearest point of relief that is a nice spot where you have a nice swing (this happens a fair bit!).

The rules are black and white. Dangerous ground to be condoning not playing by the rules. That the argument is so that others don't get an unfair advantage by you playing by the rules is not a great line.

I don’t think Blue Note is saying it’s right, i think they’re just giving a fair summation of what happens in reality.

The clock is important when it’s a big interclub match or maybe the business end of a 36 hole captains, but for your run of the mill Saturday stableford or Tuesday open singles, what has and will always happen is that everyone will plod around in the thick stuff for a few mins looking for it; it could be 2 mins or it could be 4, people will never really get a stopwatch out. Also, I think in club circles I’d say the person who’s ball is lost says the usual “you lads go hit, I’ll keep having a look here” and a minute or two later as the partners are hitting he says I found it, you’d likely get marked out as a special kind of prick if you say “ah Johnny that’s at least 4 or 5 mins since you started, you’ll have to reload”. That’s wrong, but it’s what would happen most likely.

blue note · 31-08-2020 11:18am

I'm certainly not saying it's right! The only fair situation is if everyone plays by the same rules. We'll never quite have that, but trying to get everyone to obey all the rules is the way we'll get closest to it.

There are some rules in golf I think might be a bit stupid, but this particular one is a great idea. People spend completely unreasonable amounts of time looking for balls. And it's all our time they're spending!

BraveDonut · 31-08-2020 11:23am

After 3 minutes your ball is deemed lost. Even if you then find it.
Nobody will put a stopwatch on it (although I did see this done in an inter-club final once)

Players need to police this rule themselves - with the same integrity they apply to all of the other rules of golf

Very frustrating when you are waiting on the tee and the group in front continue to look for a ball well over the 3 minutes.

Wombatman · 31-08-2020 11:29am

BraveDonut wrote: »

After 3 minutes your ball is deemed lost. Even if you then find it.
Nobody will put a stopwatch on it (although I did see this done in an inter-club final once)

Players need to police this rule themselves - with the same integrity they apply to all of the other rules of golf

Very frustrating when you are waiting on the tee and the group in front continue to look for a ball well over the 3 minutes.

Mad that on the tour marshals are put all over the course to help look for players balls, before the player even gets to the ball and starts looking themselves.

Little wonder this is probably the most flouted rule in the game.

prawnsambo · 31-08-2020 11:57am

Wombatman wrote: »

Mad that on the tour marshals are put all over the course to help look for players balls, before the player even gets to the ball and starts looking themselves.

Little wonder this is probably the most flouted rule in the game.

Not sure how there's any causative effect there tbh.

Seve OB · 27-09-2020 10:14am

Recently I saw a fella check his ball by rolling it over in the rough with his club. Made a nice lie of it actually. He made no attempt to move it back. It was a provisional ball in strokes competition. I didn’t say anything, I kinda had my fill of him at that stage. I made up for it by finding his first ball burried in a bush.
I seen him also touch move ball at address a couple of times. Aul guy, off 25 or something, I just don’t think he knew any better.

tayto lover · 27-09-2020 11:09am

Saw a lad in a Classic put his name on the longest drive marker board.
His drive was long but was about a foot off the fairway in the rough. Ball has to be on the fairway.
I went over and scratched his name off.
A young guy. Probably didn’t know any better.

Blatant Cheating

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