How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

BonnieSituation · 03-06-2020 5:47pm

jh79 wrote: »

Deficit already at 6.1 billion this year compared to 63 million at the same point last year in the Republic.

https://www.thejournal.ie/finance-coronavirus-government-covid-paschal-5113941-Jun2020/

NI is facing a severe recession with one department likely to run out of funds by the 19th of June. What's this year's subvention going to be ?

https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2020-05-26/northern-ireland-faces-very-severe-recession-conor-murphy/

Do people still think an UI is a realistic prospect? Decades away at best.

Wait, so you're saying it won't happen tomorrow then?

Covid's effects are the latest excuse to not bother.

jh79 · 03-06-2020 5:59pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Wait, so you're saying it won't happen tomorrow then?

Covid's effects are the latest excuse to not bother.

Prior to COVID it would of involved a big financial sacrifice from the South now there isn't a chance of an UI until the economy has recovered. I said previously i believe MLD would never see an UI. If this crisis continues for much longer i don't think anyone who voted for the GFA will see it either.

BonnieSituation · 03-06-2020 6:17pm

jh79 wrote: »

Prior to COVID it would of involved a big financial sacrifice from the South now there isn't a chance of an UI until the economy has recovered. I said previously i believe MLD would never see an UI. If this crisis continues for much longer i don't think anyone who voted for the GFA will see it either.

"Sacrifice" as if we're being great benevolent charitable people.

You really went out on a limb there with your prediction.

CharlesDarwin · 03-06-2020 6:49pm

Woops, I kinda feel guilty in creating a new social media web site for Ireland now after reading this thread lol

jh79 · 03-06-2020 7:01pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

"Sacrifice" as if we're being great benevolent charitable people.

You really went out on a limb there with your prediction.

Well we've had 20+ years already given the circumstance not hard to believe it will be multiples of that before we see any real movement.

BonnieSituation · 03-06-2020 7:54pm

jh79 wrote: »

Well we've had 20+ years already given the circumstance not hard to believe it will be multiples of that before we see any real movement.

And it's hard not to believe that perhaps Northern Ireland as an entity as part of the UK is a failure given the fact that it's in its current state after nearly 100 years.

Perhaps it would be better served being reunited eh?

BloodyBill · 03-06-2020 8:17pm

Lord Fairlord wrote: »

Around 1916 Dublin had some of the worst slums to be found among western European cities.

Iv no doubt that's true. I'm just saying the country was the 11th richest in the world around 1916. Dublin slums got even worse as did Limericks before they started falling down and finally replaced..we still have horrific areas to this day. The World is a tough place. I think we are abit immature as a Nation.
We reject any of our British past..We say we were as colonised as the Indians. We take no ownership of our part in the British Empire ...as Empire Builders.. stats like 60% of civil servants in Bengal in the 1850s being Irish..half Catholic. It is beyond our ability to see past the victimhood of the famine ,as terrible as it was and realise we arent some special case. Even the Indians dont talk as negatively of their British past as much as we do. It's weird. We are ok with all the poor Irish in the British Army over hundreds of years ( no choice,needed
to put food on the table..,rubbish most joined because they wanted to) ...but as soon as they get to be officer rank we disown them because we Irish cant be Colonisers ..

downcow · 03-06-2020 8:18pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

And it's hard not to believe that perhaps Northern Ireland as an entity as part of the UK is a failure given the fact that it's in its current state after nearly 100 years.

Perhaps it would be better served being reunited eh?

A valid point of view, but for you unfortunately a minority point of view at every single point during the last 100 years, and I am pretty confident it will remain a minority point of view for the next 100 years

downcow · 03-06-2020 8:21pm

BloodyBill wrote: »

Iv no doubt that's true. I'm just saying the country was the 11th richest in the world around 1916. Dublin slums got even worse as did Limericks before they started falling down and finally replaced..we still have horrific areas to this day. The World is a tough place. I think we are abit immature as a Nation.
We reject any of our British past..We say we were as colonised as the Indians. We take no ownership of our part in the British Empire ...as Empire Builders.. stats like 60% of civil servants in Bengal in the 1850s being Irish..half Catholic. It is beyond our ability to see past the victimhood of the famine ,as terrible as it was and realise we arent some special case. Even the Indians dont talk as negatively of their British past as much as we do. It's weird. We are ok with all the poor Irish in the British Army over hundreds of years ( no choice,needed
to put food on the table..,rubbish most joined because they wanted to) ...but as soon as they get to be officer rank we disown them because we Irish cant be Colonisers ..

this is a wonderful statistic. One I have not heard before. Would you have any evidence or a link - just checking before I open a wee bottle to celebrate my newfound knowledge

FrancieBrady · 03-06-2020 8:32pm

BloodyBill wrote: »

Iv no doubt that's true. I'm just saying the country was the 11th richest in the world around 1916. Dublin slums got even worse as did Limericks before they started falling down and finally replaced..we still have horrific areas to this day. The World is a tough place. I think we are abit immature as a Nation.
We reject any of our British past..

I don't, I am actively involved in preserving their presence here.

We say we were as colonised as the Indians. We take no ownership of our part in the British Empire ...as Empire Builders.. stats like 60% of civil servants in Bengal in the 1850s being Irish..half Catholic. It is beyond our ability to see past the victimhood of the famine ,as terrible as it was and realise we arent some special case. Even the Indians dont talk as negatively of their British past as much as we do. It's weird. We are ok with all the poor Irish in the British Army over hundreds of years ( no choice,needed
to put food on the table..,rubbish most joined because they wanted to) ...but as soon as they get to be officer rank we disown them because we Irish cant be Colonisers ..

It is when some deny the brutal parts of that past that the problems arise.
What individual Irlsh people did is their own responsibility, far more took no active part in colonisation or the augmentation of the 'Empire', don't forget that stat.

jh79 · 03-06-2020 8:35pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

And it's hard not to believe that perhaps Northern Ireland as an entity as part of the UK is a failure given the fact that it's in its current state after nearly 100 years.

Perhaps it would be better served being reunited eh?

It might be better served alright but at the cost of those in the Republic.

Ye all say it's a failed statelet. Obviously failed statelets cost more than functioning ones.

BonnieSituation · 03-06-2020 8:35pm

BloodyBill wrote: »

Iv no doubt that's true. I'm just saying the country was the 11th richest in the world around 1916. Dublin slums got even worse as did Limericks before they started falling down and finally replaced..we still have horrific areas to this day. The World is a tough place. I think we are abit immature as a Nation.
We reject any of our British past..We say we were as colonised as the Indians. We take no ownership of our part in the British Empire ...as Empire Builders.. stats like 60% of civil servants in Bengal in the 1850s being Irish..half Catholic. It is beyond our ability to see past the victimhood of the famine ,as terrible as it was and realise we arent some special case. Even the Indians dont talk as negatively of their British past as much as we do. It's weird. We are ok with all the poor Irish in the British Army over hundreds of years ( no choice,needed
to put food on the table..,rubbish most joined because they wanted to) ...but as soon as they get to be officer rank we disown them because we Irish cant be Colonisers ..

Were we an independent nation in 1916 or an integral part of the UK?

BonnieSituation · 03-06-2020 8:36pm

downcow wrote: »

A valid point of view, but for you unfortunately a minority point of view at every single point during the last 100 years, and I am pretty confident it will remain a minority point of view for the next 100 years

Okay so.

BonnieSituation · 03-06-2020 8:38pm

jh79 wrote: »

It might be better served alright but at the cost of those in the Republic.

Ye all say it's a failed statelet. Obviously failed statelets cost more than functioning ones.

Exactly.

Your "othering" of our fellow citizens in the North is sad.

jh79 · 03-06-2020 8:48pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Exactly.

Your "othering" of our fellow citizens in the North is sad.

It was a tactic of the IRA to ruin the NI economy so SF can fix it as far as i am concerned.

But obviously a bit of a conundrum for them as a functioning NI might not care about an UI.

BonnieSituation · 03-06-2020 9:04pm

jh79 wrote: »

It was a tactic of the IRA to ruin the NI economy so SF can fix it as far as i am concerned.

And nothing at all with being treated as second class citizens.

What happened between 1922 and 1969 so?

A Utopian society no doubt eh?

But obviously a bit of a conundrum for them as a functioning NI might not care about an UI.

Ah yes, loyalty to the half crown.

statesaver · 03-06-2020 9:10pm

jh79 wrote: »

It was a tactic of the IRA to ruin the NI economy so SF can fix it as far as i am concerned.

That's a DUP tactic now, surely

jh79 · 03-06-2020 9:15pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

And nothing at all with being treated as second class citizens.

What happened between 1922 and 1969 so?

A Utopian society no doubt eh?

Ah yes, loyalty to the half crown.

SF are part of the political classes now, on the board of the PSNI and attend Cobra meetings. Are you saying their participation in partition has been fruitless.

I've only ever been paid in punts and euros whereas the likes of Conor Murphy from the Republican heartland of Armagh gets paid by the Crown.

jh79 · 03-06-2020 9:19pm

statesaver wrote: »

That's a DUP tactic now, surely

As i said a conundrum for SF. Turkeys don't vote for xmas and redunancies in the NI PS would be inevitable.

FrancieBrady · 03-06-2020 9:28pm

Next year will see Unionists twisting themselves into hoops trying to 'celebrate' 100 years of NI while nationalists will be reviewing 100 years of partition.
There will be much introspection, an ideal time for a formal discussion to begin.

Hopefully Leo and Michael's 'Unity Unit' will be up and running by then, or maybe we will have SF in power here to drive that discussion forward.

A lot has happened in the short 20 years since the GFA if you look at it without jaundiced eyes.

jh79 · 03-06-2020 9:33pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Next year will see Unionists twisting themselves into hoops trying to 'celebrate' 100 years of NI while nationalists will be reviewing 100 years of partition.
There will be much introspection, an ideal time for a formal discussion to begin.

Hopefully Leo and Michael's 'Unity Unit' will be up and running by then, or maybe we will have SF in power here to drive that discussion forward.

A lot has happened in the short 20 years since the GFA if you look at it without jaundiced eyes.

I sure that will be the case in NI but in the Republic it will be COVID, the economy, housing and health and preparations for future pandemics. SF will make a lot of noise but won't risk their new found popularity.

RobMc59 · 03-06-2020 9:41pm

jh79 wrote: »

SF are part of the political classes now, on the board of the PSNI and attend Cobra meetings. Are you saying their participation in partition has been fruitless.

I've only ever been paid in punts and euros whereas the likes of Conor Murphy from the Republican heartland of Armagh gets paid by the Crown.

SF seem more comfortable in a 'hurler on the ditch' roll, eager to criticise everyone else's efforts but wouldn't have a clue if they actually got into power.
Michelle O'Neil also seems very comfortable as part of the UK setup whilst taking the Queen shilling.

FrancieBrady · 03-06-2020 9:46pm

RobMc59 wrote: »

whilst taking the Queen shilling.

So subservient.

It isn't the 'Queen's shilling' when you pay your taxes and fully contribute to your own community in your own country.

jh79 · 03-06-2020 9:47pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So subservient.

It isn't the 'Queen's shilling' when you pay your taxes and fully contribute to your own community in your own country.

What country is that then?

FrancieBrady · 03-06-2020 9:49pm

jh79 wrote: »

What country is that then?

Ireland.

jh79 · 03-06-2020 9:52pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Ireland.

In Sterling with taxes going to whose coffers?

A bit too eager with that reply i think.

FrancieBrady · 03-06-2020 9:55pm

jh79 wrote: »

In Sterling with taxes going to whose coffers?

A bit too eager with that reply i think.

Typical partitionist, demand that people lie down and await democracy, then when they compromise do your level best to taunt them.

The hate for your fellow citizen is all over your posting.

jh79 · 03-06-2020 9:57pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So subservient.

It isn't the 'Queen's shilling' when you pay your taxes and fully contribute to your own community in your own country.

If you just left it at community you would of been grand.

jh79 · 03-06-2020 10:03pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Typical partitionist, demand that people lie down and await democracy, then when they compromise do your level best to taunt them.

The hate for your fellow citizen is all over your posting.

Hate! You voted for the political wing of a terrorist organisation guilty of sectarian murder.

My voting history is extremely boring.

Francie, you posted something silly in haste, admit your error and move on.

FrancieBrady · 03-06-2020 10:07pm

jh79 wrote: »

If you just left it at community you would of been grand.

Why? SF are pretty clear on what they are..Irish people living in a partitioned part of a country called Ireland. The GFA legitimises that and their aspirations.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-06-2020 10:09pm

There won't be a UK in the next 10 years anyway. The Scots will leave and that will be that.

Francie would be better waiting instead of agitating for it.

Junkyard Tom · 03-06-2020 10:22pm

BloodyBill wrote: »

I'm just saying the country was the 11th richest in the world around 1916.

By what measurement? The US is the richest place in the world but I wouldn't like to be poor there.

Dublin slums got even worse as did Limericks before they started falling down and finally replaced..we still have horrific areas to this day.

So what? Are you suggesting the Brits would have generously improved them? I say you haven't a clue what you're on about if you did:

The new State got stuck into the housing market straight away with the introduction in 1922 of the excitingly-named Million Pound Scheme. This enabled local authorities to construct 2,000 houses in just two years, most of which were sold to middle-income buyers.

When that fund was exhausted in 1924, grants and subsidies for private house purchase and construction took over, though local authorities continued to build some private houses directly.

irishtimes.com

We reject any of our British past..

We reject that British colonialism and those with colonised minds, like you, were anything but a scourge on the vast majority of people in Ireland.

We take no ownership of our part in the British Empire ...as Empire Builders.. stats like 60% of civil servants in Bengal in the 1850s being Irish..half Catholic.

Yes and we should have nothing but remorse for the shameful part we played in it.

It is beyond our ability to see past the victimhood of the famine

Speak for yourself, I consider us survivors not victims.

as terrible as it was and realise we arent some special case.

Nobody claims we are a special case, that's a strawman argument.

We are ok with all the poor Irish in the British Army over hundreds of years ( no choice, needed to put food on the table..,rubbish most joined because they wanted to) ...

Who cares what their motivations were? We were a colonised people and we fortunately rescued ourselves (mostly) from ending up like Wales or Scotland who are burdened by being dependencies of England or worst of all the North of Ireland which is one of the most deprived, and racist, places in Western Europe.

I think we are abit immature as a Nation.

I think you have a colonised mind and this idea that a 'mature' nation must reconcile with its coloniser before its coloniser accepts responsibility and apologises for its crimes is just batshit crazy.

NB: Before the 1920's was out we had started one of the largest hydroelectric schemes on Earth in Shannon. Have some pride, stand up straight, and stop tugging your forelock.

jh79 · 03-06-2020 10:26pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So subservient.

It isn't the 'Queen's shilling' when you pay your taxes and fully contribute to your own community in your own country.

Francie, do you really want to pretend you meant to say this? You made a mistake in the heat of the moment.

FrancieBrady · 03-06-2020 10:37pm

jh79 wrote: »

Francie, do you really want to pretend you meant to say this? You made a mistake in the heat of the moment.

It never was the 'Queen's schilling' jh, don't be such a knee bender. The queen is a taker.

FrancieBrady · 03-06-2020 10:38pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

There won't be a UK in the next 10 years anyway. The Scots will leave and that will be that.

Francie would be better waiting instead of agitating for it.

I can do both Kermit. Safe in the knowledge that the day is coming.

Junkyard Tom · 03-06-2020 10:41pm

downcow wrote: »

this is a wonderful statistic. One I have not heard before. Would you have any evidence or a link - just checking before I open a wee bottle to celebrate my newfound knowledge

You come across as utterly desperate, like you're scrabbling around in the dirt to find some sort of justification for Britain's rotten past in Ireland.

When our Justice Minister tried to honour the RIC (Britain's paramilitary police staffed by plenty of Irish Catholics) there was general outcry, the vast majority of us are ashamed of those vindictive scumbags who remained in the RIC during the War of Independence.

BonnieSituation · 03-06-2020 10:41pm

jh79 wrote: »

Francie, do you really want to pretend you meant to say this? You made a mistake in the heat of the moment.

Ah yes, when you have no where else to go the Partitionist resorts to patronising comments.

jh79 · 03-06-2020 10:46pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It never was the 'Queen's schilling' jh, don't be such a knee bender. The queen is a taker.

Doubling down. Ok so. GFA means SF are willing participants until democracy says otherwise. Nobody is stealing money from their pay packet

His taxes also fund the British military as highlighted by Pease D as an expense that wouldn't need to be paid as part of an UI. Pretty certain my taxes don't fund the BA so again what country were you referring too if this wasn't a mistake on your part?

Is the country you are referring to still Ireland?

BonnieSituation · 03-06-2020 10:47pm

jh79 wrote: »

Doubling down. Ok so. GFA means SF are willing participants until democracy says otherwise. Nobody is stealing money from their pay packet

His taxes also fund the British military as highlighted by Pease D as an expense that wouldn't need to be paid as part of an UI. Pretty certain my taxes don't fund the BA so again what country were you referring too if this wasn't a mistake on your part?

Is the country you are referring to still Ireland?

What is your actual point here?

jh79 · 03-06-2020 10:48pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Ah yes, when you have no where else to go the Partitionist resorts to patronising comments.

I reckon i could get plenty of mileage from this if i wanted.

FrancieBrady · 03-06-2020 10:57pm

jh79 wrote: »

Doubling down. Ok so. GFA means SF are willing participants until democracy says otherwise. Nobody is stealing money from their pay packet

His taxes also fund the British military as highlighted by Pease D as an expense that wouldn't need to be paid as part of an UI. Pretty certain my taxes don't fund the BA so again what country were you referring too if this wasn't a mistake on your part?

Is the country you are referring to still Ireland?

Yes. Has the country changed?
Ireland is partitioned, illegitimately in my view and I'm pretty sure that is SF's view too.
Rather than continue a war/conflict a compromise was reached called the GFA which did not require my view of that partition to change. I simply accepted that the majority decide. You cannot aspire to unity and think the present circumstance is legitimate.

You can taunt away, it is you who are using all the terminology of the colonised. 'The Queen's schilling' indeed.

jm08 · 03-06-2020 11:05pm

BloodyBill wrote: »

Iv no doubt that's true. I'm just saying the country was the 11th richest in the world around 1916. Dublin slums got even worse as did Limericks before they started falling down and finally replaced..we still have horrific areas to this day. The World is a tough place. I think we are abit immature as a Nation.
We reject any of our British past..We say we were as colonised as the Indians. We take no ownership of our part in the British Empire ...as Empire Builders.. stats like 60% of civil servants in Bengal in the 1850s being Irish..half Catholic. It is beyond our ability to see past the victimhood of the famine ,as terrible as it was and realise we arent some special case. Even the Indians dont talk as negatively of their British past as much as we do. It's weird. We are ok with all the poor Irish in the British Army over hundreds of years ( no choice,needed
to put food on the table..,rubbish most joined because they wanted to) ...but as soon as they get to be officer rank we disown them because we Irish cant be Colonisers ..

Up to 1916, all Ireland wanted was Home Rule which was being repeatedly denied by the British Government. Most people joined the British Army because there were few options for them. Michael Collins worked in the British Civil Service in London. I think a lot of the claims were if they did good, they were British, if they did bad, they were Irish. Ernest Shackleton at the time was regarded as British, Tom Crean was Irish and was not recognised as to what he actually achieved until recently because he was working class Irish. Wellington disowned Ireland, not the other way around! Plenty of Irish people volunteered for WWI because Redmond hoped that it would encourage the British Government to grant Home Rule and because some people also thought they were fighting for the rights of small nations like catholic Belgium.

What changed a lot of minds to wanting independence was the attempt by the British Government to introduce conscription in Ireland in 1918.

jh79 · 03-06-2020 11:15pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes. Has the country changed?
Ireland is partitioned, illegitimately in my view and I'm pretty sure that is SF's view too.
Rather than continue a war/conflict a compromise was reached called the GFA which did not require my view of that partition to change. I simply accepted that the majority decide. You cannot aspire to unity and think the present circumstance is legitimate.

You can taunt away, it is you who are using all the terminology of the colonised. 'The Queen's schilling' indeed.

Sure at the end of the day CM has to put food on the table like the rest of us. Principals won't feed the kids.

jm08 · 03-06-2020 11:33pm

jh79 wrote: »

Sure at the end of the day CM has to put food on the table like the rest of us. Principals won't feed the kids.

The fact that CM did time for being a member of the IRA suggests that feeding the kids wasn't a primary concern.

FrancieBrady · 03-06-2020 11:41pm

jh79 wrote: »

Sure at the end of the day CM has to put food on the table like the rest of us. Principals won't feed the kids.

You need to get over the fact people compromised. It isn't a taunt worth a damn, it just shows your partitionist desperation. It's about all you have tbh.

jh79 · 04-06-2020 6:25am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You need to get over the fact people compromised. It isn't a taunt worth a damn, it just shows your partitionist desperation. It's about all you have tbh.

Desperation? I'm making fun of your mistake. An UI barely gets more than a passing thought down here.

Sure he'll be paying taxes in his country for the rest of his life. Lucky for him, the treshold for the higher rate of tax is much higher in his country than in mine.

jh79 · 04-06-2020 6:37am

jm08 wrote: »

The fact that CM did time for being a member of the IRA suggests that feeding the kids wasn't a primary concern.

Did that come out the way you intended! Everybody has their price i suppose. MLA salaries are pretty impressive, pension must be pretty good too?

BloodyBill · 04-06-2020 7:42am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

By what measurement? The US is the richest place in the world but I wouldn't like to be poor there.

So what? Are you suggesting the Brits would have generously improved them? I say you haven't a clue what you're on about if you did:

The new State got stuck into the housing market straight away with the introduction in 1922 of the excitingly-named Million Pound Scheme. This enabled local authorities to construct 2,000 houses in just two years, most of which were sold to middle-income buyers.

When that fund was exhausted in 1924, grants and subsidies for private house purchase and construction took over, though local authorities continued to build some private houses directly.

irishtimes.com

We reject that British colonialism and those with colonised minds, like you, were anything but a scourge on the vast majority of people in Ireland.

Yes and we should have nothing but remorse for the shameful part we played in it.

Speak for yourself, I consider us survivors not victims.

Nobody claims we are a special case, that's a strawman argument.

Who cares what their motivations were? We were a colonised people and we fortunately rescued ourselves (mostly) from ending up like Wales or Scotland who are burdened by being dependencies of England or worst of all the North of Ireland which is one of the most deprived, and racist, places in Western Europe.

I think you have a colonised mind and this idea that a 'mature' nation must reconcile with its coloniser before its coloniser accepts responsibility and apologises for its crimes is just batshit crazy.

NB: Before the 1920's was out we had started one of the largest hydroelectric schemes on Earth in Shannon. Have some pride, stand up straight, and stop tugging your forelock.

Theres no one with more pride in the achievements of Ireland than me,all our achievementsand not just since 1920. We just have real blind points when looking at our past. I'd say many people would struggle to name great Irish generals in the British army over the last 200 to 300 years. Guys like Gough ,Wellington ect..ect.
The ' North of Ireland'. Its Northern Ireland. You cant even regulate your language, not alone do you weaponise the Irish Language , you weaponise English terms aswell.
Why cant we look at our past and say..'Hey we helped put those railways into India..we designed many of them' or we helped colonise Australia and New Zealand. No instead many eejits try to identify with the plight of Aborigines,as if our stories were similar. Theres nothing more ludicrous than a white northern European trying to claim a link through colonisation with indigenous peoples in Australia or India or wherever. Especially when we were the Colonisers....(under duress of course )

RobMc59 · 04-06-2020 9:22am

BloodyBill wrote: »

Theres no one with more pride in the achievements of Ireland than me,all our achievementsand not just since 1920. We just have real blind points when looking at our past. I'd say many people would struggle to name great Irish generals in the British army over the last 200 to 300 years. Guys like Gough ,Wellington ect..ect.
The ' North of Ireland'. Its Northern Ireland. You cant even regulate your language, not alone do you weaponise the Irish Language , you weaponise English terms aswell.
Why cant we look at our past and say..'Hey we helped put those railways into India..we designed many of them' or we helped colonise Australia and New Zealand. No instead many eejits try to identify with the plight of Aborigines,as if our stories were similar. Theres nothing more ludicrous than a white northern European trying to claim a link through colonisation with indigenous peoples in Australia or India or wherever. Especially when we were the Colonisers....(under duress of course )

Excellent post,although I'd dispute the 'under duress' comment.

RobMc59 · 04-06-2020 9:33am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So subservient.

It isn't the 'Queen's shilling' when you pay your taxes and fully contribute to your own community in your own country.

Taking the shilling isn't 'subservient' francie.Normally referring to joining the BA but also being in the employ of Britain.
I stand by my comment Michelle O'Neil appears very comfortable in her role as part of the establishment,its only disgruntled republicans who seem to get wound up by it.

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