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How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

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Continuation of the How long before Irish reunification? thread.

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Kermit.de.frog

There won't be a UK in the next 10 years anyway. The Scots will leave and that will be that.

Francie would be better waiting instead of agitating for it.

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

If you just left it at community you would of been grand.

Why? SF are pretty clear on what they are..Irish people living in a partitioned part of a country called Ireland. The GFA legitimises that and their aspirations.

[Deleted User]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Typical partitionist, demand that people lie down and await democracy, then when they compromise do your level best to taunt them.

The hate for your fellow citizen is all over your posting.

Hate! You voted for the political wing of a terrorist organisation guilty of sectarian murder.

My voting history is extremely boring.

Francie, you posted something silly in haste, admit your error and move on.

[Deleted User]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So subservient.

It isn't the 'Queen's shilling' when you pay your taxes and fully contribute to your own community in your own country.

If you just left it at community you would of been grand.

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

In Sterling with taxes going to whose coffers?

A bit too eager with that reply i think.

Typical partitionist, demand that people lie down and await democracy, then when they compromise do your level best to taunt them.

The hate for your fellow citizen is all over your posting.

[Deleted User]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Ireland.

In Sterling with taxes going to whose coffers?

A bit too eager with that reply i think.

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

What country is that then?

Ireland.

[Deleted User]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So subservient.

It isn't the 'Queen's shilling' when you pay your taxes and fully contribute to your own community in your own country.

What country is that then?

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

whilst taking the Queen shilling.

So subservient.

It isn't the 'Queen's shilling' when you pay your taxes and fully contribute to your own community in your own country.

RobMc59

jh79 wrote: »

SF are part of the political classes now, on the board of the PSNI and attend Cobra meetings. Are you saying their participation in partition has been fruitless.

I've only ever been paid in punts and euros whereas the likes of Conor Murphy from the Republican heartland of Armagh gets paid by the Crown.

SF seem more comfortable in a 'hurler on the ditch' roll, eager to criticise everyone else's efforts but wouldn't have a clue if they actually got into power.
Michelle O'Neil also seems very comfortable as part of the UK setup whilst taking the Queen shilling.

[Deleted User]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Next year will see Unionists twisting themselves into hoops trying to 'celebrate' 100 years of NI while nationalists will be reviewing 100 years of partition.
There will be much introspection, an ideal time for a formal discussion to begin.

Hopefully Leo and Michael's 'Unity Unit' will be up and running by then, or maybe we will have SF in power here to drive that discussion forward.

A lot has happened in the short 20 years since the GFA if you look at it without jaundiced eyes.

I sure that will be the case in NI but in the Republic it will be COVID, the economy, housing and health and preparations for future pandemics. SF will make a lot of noise but won't risk their new found popularity.

FrancieBrady

Next year will see Unionists twisting themselves into hoops trying to 'celebrate' 100 years of NI while nationalists will be reviewing 100 years of partition.
There will be much introspection, an ideal time for a formal discussion to begin.

Hopefully Leo and Michael's 'Unity Unit' will be up and running by then, or maybe we will have SF in power here to drive that discussion forward.

A lot has happened in the short 20 years since the GFA if you look at it without jaundiced eyes.

[Deleted User]

statesaver wrote: »

That's a DUP tactic now, surely

As i said a conundrum for SF. Turkeys don't vote for xmas and redunancies in the NI PS would be inevitable.

[Deleted User]

BonnieSituation wrote: »

And nothing at all with being treated as second class citizens.

What happened between 1922 and 1969 so?

A Utopian society no doubt eh?

Ah yes, loyalty to the half crown.

SF are part of the political classes now, on the board of the PSNI and attend Cobra meetings. Are you saying their participation in partition has been fruitless.

I've only ever been paid in punts and euros whereas the likes of Conor Murphy from the Republican heartland of Armagh gets paid by the Crown.

statesaver

jh79 wrote: »

It was a tactic of the IRA to ruin the NI economy so SF can fix it as far as i am concerned.

That's a DUP tactic now, surely

BonnieSituation

jh79 wrote: »

It was a tactic of the IRA to ruin the NI economy so SF can fix it as far as i am concerned.

And nothing at all with being treated as second class citizens.

What happened between 1922 and 1969 so?

A Utopian society no doubt eh?

But obviously a bit of a conundrum for them as a functioning NI might not care about an UI.

Ah yes, loyalty to the half crown.

[Deleted User]

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Exactly.

Your "othering" of our fellow citizens in the North is sad.

It was a tactic of the IRA to ruin the NI economy so SF can fix it as far as i am concerned.

But obviously a bit of a conundrum for them as a functioning NI might not care about an UI.

BonnieSituation

jh79 wrote: »

It might be better served alright but at the cost of those in the Republic.

Ye all say it's a failed statelet. Obviously failed statelets cost more than functioning ones.

Exactly.

Your "othering" of our fellow citizens in the North is sad.

BonnieSituation

downcow wrote: »

A valid point of view, but for you unfortunately a minority point of view at every single point during the last 100 years, and I am pretty confident it will remain a minority point of view for the next 100 years

Okay so.

BonnieSituation

BloodyBill wrote: »

Iv no doubt that's true. I'm just saying the country was the 11th richest in the world around 1916. Dublin slums got even worse as did Limericks before they started falling down and finally replaced..we still have horrific areas to this day. The World is a tough place. I think we are abit immature as a Nation.
We reject any of our British past..We say we were as colonised as the Indians. We take no ownership of our part in the British Empire ...as Empire Builders.. stats like 60% of civil servants in Bengal in the 1850s being Irish..half Catholic. It is beyond our ability to see past the victimhood of the famine ,as terrible as it was and realise we arent some special case. Even the Indians dont talk as negatively of their British past as much as we do. It's weird. We are ok with all the poor Irish in the British Army over hundreds of years ( no choice,needed
to put food on the table..,rubbish most joined because they wanted to) ...but as soon as they get to be officer rank we disown them because we Irish cant be Colonisers ..

Were we an independent nation in 1916 or an integral part of the UK?

[Deleted User]

BonnieSituation wrote: »

And it's hard not to believe that perhaps Northern Ireland as an entity as part of the UK is a failure given the fact that it's in its current state after nearly 100 years.

Perhaps it would be better served being reunited eh?

It might be better served alright but at the cost of those in the Republic.

Ye all say it's a failed statelet. Obviously failed statelets cost more than functioning ones.

FrancieBrady

BloodyBill wrote: »

Iv no doubt that's true. I'm just saying the country was the 11th richest in the world around 1916. Dublin slums got even worse as did Limericks before they started falling down and finally replaced..we still have horrific areas to this day. The World is a tough place. I think we are abit immature as a Nation.
We reject any of our British past..

I don't, I am actively involved in preserving their presence here.

We say we were as colonised as the Indians. We take no ownership of our part in the British Empire ...as Empire Builders.. stats like 60% of civil servants in Bengal in the 1850s being Irish..half Catholic. It is beyond our ability to see past the victimhood of the famine ,as terrible as it was and realise we arent some special case. Even the Indians dont talk as negatively of their British past as much as we do. It's weird. We are ok with all the poor Irish in the British Army over hundreds of years ( no choice,needed
to put food on the table..,rubbish most joined because they wanted to) ...but as soon as they get to be officer rank we disown them because we Irish cant be Colonisers ..

It is when some deny the brutal parts of that past that the problems arise.
What individual Irlsh people did is their own responsibility, far more took no active part in colonisation or the augmentation of the 'Empire', don't forget that stat.

downcow

BloodyBill wrote: »

Iv no doubt that's true. I'm just saying the country was the 11th richest in the world around 1916. Dublin slums got even worse as did Limericks before they started falling down and finally replaced..we still have horrific areas to this day. The World is a tough place. I think we are abit immature as a Nation.
We reject any of our British past..We say we were as colonised as the Indians. We take no ownership of our part in the British Empire ...as Empire Builders.. stats like 60% of civil servants in Bengal in the 1850s being Irish..half Catholic. It is beyond our ability to see past the victimhood of the famine ,as terrible as it was and realise we arent some special case. Even the Indians dont talk as negatively of their British past as much as we do. It's weird. We are ok with all the poor Irish in the British Army over hundreds of years ( no choice,needed
to put food on the table..,rubbish most joined because they wanted to) ...but as soon as they get to be officer rank we disown them because we Irish cant be Colonisers ..

this is a wonderful statistic. One I have not heard before. Would you have any evidence or a link - just checking before I open a wee bottle to celebrate my newfound knowledge

downcow

BonnieSituation wrote: »

And it's hard not to believe that perhaps Northern Ireland as an entity as part of the UK is a failure given the fact that it's in its current state after nearly 100 years.

Perhaps it would be better served being reunited eh?

A valid point of view, but for you unfortunately a minority point of view at every single point during the last 100 years, and I am pretty confident it will remain a minority point of view for the next 100 years

BloodyBill

Lord Fairlord wrote: »

Around 1916 Dublin had some of the worst slums to be found among western European cities.

Iv no doubt that's true. I'm just saying the country was the 11th richest in the world around 1916. Dublin slums got even worse as did Limericks before they started falling down and finally replaced..we still have horrific areas to this day. The World is a tough place. I think we are abit immature as a Nation.
We reject any of our British past..We say we were as colonised as the Indians. We take no ownership of our part in the British Empire ...as Empire Builders.. stats like 60% of civil servants in Bengal in the 1850s being Irish..half Catholic. It is beyond our ability to see past the victimhood of the famine ,as terrible as it was and realise we arent some special case. Even the Indians dont talk as negatively of their British past as much as we do. It's weird. We are ok with all the poor Irish in the British Army over hundreds of years ( no choice,needed
to put food on the table..,rubbish most joined because they wanted to) ...but as soon as they get to be officer rank we disown them because we Irish cant be Colonisers ..

BonnieSituation

jh79 wrote: »

Well we've had 20+ years already given the circumstance not hard to believe it will be multiples of that before we see any real movement.

And it's hard not to believe that perhaps Northern Ireland as an entity as part of the UK is a failure given the fact that it's in its current state after nearly 100 years.

Perhaps it would be better served being reunited eh?

[Deleted User]

BonnieSituation wrote: »

"Sacrifice" as if we're being great benevolent charitable people.

You really went out on a limb there with your prediction.

Well we've had 20+ years already given the circumstance not hard to believe it will be multiples of that before we see any real movement.

CharlesDarwin

Woops, I kinda feel guilty in creating a new social media web site for Ireland now after reading this thread lol

BonnieSituation

jh79 wrote: »

Prior to COVID it would of involved a big financial sacrifice from the South now there isn't a chance of an UI until the economy has recovered. I said previously i believe MLD would never see an UI. If this crisis continues for much longer i don't think anyone who voted for the GFA will see it either.

"Sacrifice" as if we're being great benevolent charitable people.

You really went out on a limb there with your prediction.

[Deleted User]

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Wait, so you're saying it won't happen tomorrow then?

Covid's effects are the latest excuse to not bother.

Prior to COVID it would of involved a big financial sacrifice from the South now there isn't a chance of an UI until the economy has recovered. I said previously i believe MLD would never see an UI. If this crisis continues for much longer i don't think anyone who voted for the GFA will see it either.