Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

stephenjmcd · 01-07-2020 9:46am

ixoy wrote: »

For cases that are imported from travel, it would be good to know what the origin country was (we know of one cluster originating from Iraq for example).

The EU is opening up and be curious to see how many are coming from the countries in the green block and how many outside. The designated countries are, in theory, fairly safe. If it's within the designated block, then we'd expect to see similar problems across Europe.

In the recent travel cases prof nolan last week gave the travel origin countries as, USA, UK, Sweden, Portugal, Ukraine, India & Bangladesh. Now we've Iraq also.

There is context needed when we hear cases related to travel because as we can see there's countries there that wouldn't be anywhere near a green list to start with.

caveat emptor · 01-07-2020 9:47am

Hurrache wrote: »

In the other thread we've had people argue that there are no longer term affects. Evidence was shown and the argument became admirably pedantic as to what's actually long term and not long term. Shifting goal posts.

I haven't see the other thread. I found an article which looked at long term damage in SARS. Coronavirus can cause lasting lung damage – but the effects may ease over *time. Sounds positive but then you realise it was a 15 year follow up that showed improvement. I'm good thanks.

"We know that Sars can cause pulmonary fibrosis, and a large analysis of Sars and Mers patients showed weakened lung function and exercise capability in some survivors up to six months after hospital discharge. However, a 15-year follow-up of patients showed improvement in lung function and less damage visible on CT scans over time. An early study of people recovering from COVID-19 found that such damage also improves in the first few weeks after discharge from hospital

The conclusion sums it up best.

While the vast majority who contract COVID-19 will make a full recovery, we’re likely to see more people with pulmonary fibrosis or persistent lung damage following ARDS caused by COVID-19. Many will be severely debilitated for some time following severe infection, and some will need home oxygen. Meeting such people’s longer-term health and care needs will pose a significant challenge.
"

https://twitter.com/davidjthunder/status/1275842285729656835?s=20

01-07-2020 9:49am

shinzon wrote: »

All I can do is laugh at this

Shin

Glad I gave you a chuckle. I can send you an actual picture when I travel through the airport in a couple of weeks

Micky 32 · 01-07-2020 9:53am

drunkmonkey wrote: »

https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-information/live-departures

Lockdown part 2 imminent.

If “lockdown part 2 imminent” it will be mostly down to 4.9 million people now able to move freely around the island of Ireland. We are not covid free it’s still here.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-07-2020 9:53am

I don't know why the government is indecisive and having arguments about so called air bridges.

There are countries like Austria, Switzerland, Greece, Germany etc we can open to with little threat. We can't stay shut off forever.

Not making clear decisions is doing unneeded damage.

caveat emptor · 01-07-2020 9:54am

Best of luck to all those travelling in coming weeks. Seat selection has taken on a new importance. It's like playing minesweeper and telly bingo mixed together. Could be a new extreme sport. Go for the window if you can and in the middle of the plane.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/01/how-coronavirus-spreads-on-a-plane/

Away With The Fairies · 01-07-2020 9:59am

shinzon wrote: »

Well when they come back and start spreading the virus again you may change your tune tbh. We have had already imported cases each family that flies out and back in again increases the chance of it spiking exponentially. Incredibly selfish of these people to risk throwing away all we have achieved in suppressing the virus and keeping the numbers low for a few weeks in the sun.

So yeah you bet I have a problem with people flying out when public health advice is to not to very very foolish.

Shin

Had a comment on the other thread about control at the airports that self isolation isn't a legal requirement.

People love throwing about that masks aren't a legal requirement as well.

Like seriously, what the fcuk is wrong with people?

LiquidZeb · 01-07-2020 9:59am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Glad I gave you a chuckle. I can send you an actual picture when I travel through the airport in a couple of weeks

If you Google search the image it shows up as from Chicago O'Hare airport one of the busiest airports in the world. I'd wager the majority of flights departing there are domestic US flights. The picture and the attached post are a complete misrepresentation and a blatant attempt to mislead people.

ixoy · 01-07-2020 10:00am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't know why the government is indecisive and having arguments about so called air bridges.

There are countries like Austria, Switzerland, Greece, Germany etc we can open to with little threat. We can't stay shut off forever.

It's getting this list that's the headache as there's fears of offending others.
The one drawn up by the EU seems pretty fair. We're not beholden to it but happy enough once we're mandating quarantine for countries like the US and other countries where it's out of control. The UK is unfortunately much trickier.

caveat emptor · 01-07-2020 10:03am

LiquidZeb wrote: »

If you Google search the image it shows up as from Chicago O'Hare airport one of the busiest airports in the world. I'd wager the majority of flights departing there are domestic US flights. The picture and the attached post are a complete misrepresentation and a blatant attempt to mislead people.

I agree. Not helpful to post something like that. Dublin airport maybe busier this morning but it's nowhere near that photo.

Let's all agree ..... and move on.

Micky 32 · 01-07-2020 10:08am

RTE reporting:

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0630/1150648-ryanair-schedule-resuming/

Health expert says holidays 'safe if precautions taken'

Cork Boy 53 · 01-07-2020 10:09am

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Had a comment on the other thread about control at the airports that self isolation isn't a legal requirement.

People love throwing about that masks aren't a legal requirement as well.

Like seriously, what the fcuk is wrong with people?

Lack of personal responsibility, self entitled selfish idiots, lack of proper education, denial of reality and lashing out at anybody who calls them out on it, the list could go on and on. Reminds me of the anti water charges brigade in many ways.

Cork Boy 53 · 01-07-2020 10:12am

Hurrache wrote: »

In the other thread we've had people argue that there are no longer term affects. Evidence was shown and the argument became admirably pedantic as to what's actually long term and not long term. Shifting goal posts.

And that actually surprises you?

Plumbthedepths · 01-07-2020 10:13am

Micky 32 wrote: »

RTE reporting:

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0630/1150648-ryanair-schedule-resuming/

Health expert says holidays 'safe if precautions taken'

Professor Jack Lambert on Morning Ireland.Covid is now part of life, we need to move on . Good interview considering he worked with over 700 cases of Covid but he did stress he took precautions and didn't contract the virus.

Jackman25 · 01-07-2020 10:15am

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Lack of personal responsibility, self entitled selfish idiots, lack of proper education, denial of reality and lashing out at anybody who calls them out on it, the list could go on and on. Reminds me of the anti water charges brigade in many ways.

Where will you be spying on today?

robbiezero · 01-07-2020 10:18am

shinzon wrote: »

Sickening scenes at Dublin airport this morning on Ireland Am news. The amount of people flying out is worrying in the extreme.

The clear public health advice is no non essential travel off of the Island, yet Ireland be like. With the amount of imported cases on the rise this gets even more dangerous now.

Shin

Heard there was quite a crowd on the train at my local dart station this morning.

* Not my local dart station

Cork Boy 53 · 01-07-2020 10:21am

If people who wilfully disregard travel advice not to go on sun holidays and contract and bring back the virus and refuse to quarantine is there a case to be made that they should be denied medicall treatment even if required as a consequence?

LiquidZeb · 01-07-2020 10:22am

robbiezero wrote: »

Heard there was quite a crowd on the train at my local dart station this morning.

* Not my local dart station

Was that pulling into the 4 courts?

schmoo2k · 01-07-2020 10:23am

shinzon wrote: »

All I can do is laugh at this

Shin

...and post that you laughed...

Micky 32 · 01-07-2020 10:24am

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

If people who wilfully disregard travel advice not to go on sun holidays and contract and bring the virus and refuse to quarantine as a consequence is there a case to be made that they should be denied hospital treatment even if required as a consequence?

If someone goes to Galway from Dublin for a week and uses public transport to get there like on a bus should they quarantine?

Plumbthedepths · 01-07-2020 10:24am

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

If people who wilfully disregard travel advice not to go on sun holidays and contract and bring the virus and refuse to quarantine as a consequence is there a case to be made that they should be denied hospital treatment even if required as a consequence?

Thankfully suggestions like yours would be treated with the contempt it deserves, but I'm sure you'll receive the thanks you are craving form a couple of your like minded ...I won't use the appropriate word.

is_that_so · 01-07-2020 10:26am

Micky 32 wrote: »

RTE reporting:

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0630/1150648-ryanair-schedule-resuming/

Health expert says holidays 'safe if precautions taken'

This is really turning into a Zara from Virgin type reporting. There will be questions tomorrow about it and the CMO will say he hasn't seen it! Expert seems to be anyone who's worked near COVID in any way, these days!

Renjit · 01-07-2020 10:28am

bb1234567 wrote: »

Some unfortunate news, a recent study has shown that asymptomatic carriers generally have few to no detectable antibodies just weeks after infection.

'Antibody levels also dropped off far more quickly in people who never showed symptoms, and 40 per cent of them had no detectable antibodies eight weeks after recovery, compared with 13 per cent of symptomatic patients.'

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/asymptomatic-covid-19-findings-dim-hopes-for-herd-immunity-and-immunity-passports/ar-BB163A1x

I dont know much about this, but can you have immunity if your antibodies disappeared, is that possible?

You have non-specific immune cells (such as a macrophage, neutrophil, or dendritic cell) too. That's the first line of defense.

And specific immune cells are part of acquired immunity, which is also the basis of vaccines. Passive memory is via antibodies and active memory via memory B cells and some memory T cells.

Neamhshuntasach · 01-07-2020 10:28am

Working in Dublin airport today and haven't been near departure gates or seen what on board planes is like. But it has been quite busy from what I've seen. More busy than I expected. But no where near levels at this time of year or even pre covid. The boards look more full compared to when I was out here a good few weeks back. So more flights departing and arriving. But no idea of how full or empty these planes are.

I agree with travel to countries with low levels of cases who are doing a good job. And I see on board the airplane as safe. It's the airport that worries me a bit. I've seen plenty of examples of no social distancing and temp removal of masks or fidgeting with them this morning. Also seen people without masks which I didn't think was allowed. Some big American c**t actually removed his mask while standing over me to cough earlier. I was down at my laptop bag.

Hopefully the airport can be very strict on enforcing measures otherwise we unfortunately have great potential to see an increase in travel related cases. I travel a lot with work and my usual opinion is that a lot of people leave their brains at the door as soon as they enter an airport. No time for that **** this time.

Boggles · 01-07-2020 10:28am

Expert says 'holidays safe - if you don't contract the disease'

:pac:

Plumbthedepths · 01-07-2020 10:28am

is_that_so wrote: »

This is really turning into a Zara from Virgin type reporting. There will be questions tomorrow about it and the CMO will say he hasn't seen it! Expert seems to be anyone who's worked near COVID in any way, these days!

He claims to have worked with 700 Covid patients and managed through the proper precautions avoided contracting it himself, so yes I would suggest he's an expert being a professor is also a plus.

Cork Boy 53 · 01-07-2020 10:31am

Micky 32 wrote: »

If someone goes to Galway from Dublin for a week and uses public transport to get there like on a bus should they quarantine?

If they refuse to wear a mask as will shortly be made mandatory then yes they should.

Plumbthedepths · 01-07-2020 10:31am

Boggles wrote: »

Expert says 'holidays safe - if you don't contract the disease'

:pac:

Actually he said if you take the necessary precautions. Let's not misrepresent what he said, there was enough of that carry on earlier.

Boggles · 01-07-2020 10:32am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually he said if you take the necessary precautions. Let's not misrepresent what he said, there was enough of that carry on earlier.

It's the same thing. Think about it.

caveat emptor · 01-07-2020 10:33am

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

Working in Dublin airport today and haven't been near departure gates or seen what on board planes is like. But it has been quite busy from what I've seen. More busy than I expected. But no where near levels at this time of year or even pre covid. The boards look more full compared to when I was out here a good few weeks back. So more flights departing and arriving. But no idea of how full or empty these planes are.

I agree with travel to countries with low levels of cases who are doing a good job. And I see on board the airplane as safe. It's the airport that worries me a bit. I've seen plenty of examples of no social distancing and temp removal of masks or fidgeting with them this morning. Also seen people without masks which I didn't think was allowed. Some big American c**t actually removed his mask while standing over me to cough earlier. I was down at my laptop bag.

Hopefully the airport can be very strict on enforcing measures otherwise we unfortunately have great potential to see an increase in travel related cases. I travel a lot with work and my usual opinion is that a lot of people leave their brains at the door as soon as they enter an airport. No time for that **** this time.

Thanks for posting. Very few 'whey pints at the airport #boardingpass' posts on twitter this morning. Someone complaining yesterday though.

https://twitter.com/Weareallalittl2/status/1277904402259591168?s=20

ZX7R · 01-07-2020 10:34am

is_that_so wrote: »

This is really turning into a Zara from Virgin type reporting. There will be questions tomorrow about it and the CMO will say he hasn't seen it! Expert seems to be anyone who's worked near COVID in any way, these days!

The CMO should be asked why he removed his tweets in relation to travel

Plumbthedepths · 01-07-2020 10:34am

Boggles wrote: »

It's the same thing. Think about it.

It's not, I heard the interview on my way home from work.

Cork Boy 53 · 01-07-2020 10:36am

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

Working in Dublin airport today and haven't been near departure gates or seen what on board planes is like. But it has been quite busy from what I've seen. More busy than I expected. But no where near levels at this time of year or even pre covid. The boards look more full compared to when I was out here a good few weeks back. So more flights departing and arriving. But no idea of how full or empty these planes are.

I agree with travel to countries with low levels of cases who are doing a good job. And I see on board the airplane as safe. It's the airport that worries me a bit. I've seen plenty of examples of no social distancing and temp removal of masks or fidgeting with them this morning. Also seen people without masks which I didn't think was allowed. Some big American c**t actually removed his mask while standing over me to cough earlier. I was down at my laptop bag.

Hopefully the airport can be very strict on enforcing measures otherwise we unfortunately have great potential to see an increase in travel related cases. I travel a lot with work and my usual opinion is that a lot of people leave their brains at the door as soon as they enter an airport. No time for that **** this time.

If it was me I would have reported him to the airport police. Moronic behaviour.

caveat emptor · 01-07-2020 10:37am

Just came across this in NY times. Absolutely brilliant visualisation / animation of how it spread initially. Well worth a look. A lot going on to get that effect so your laptop might overheat.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/22/world/coronavirus-spread.html

Renjit · 01-07-2020 10:38am

schmoo2k wrote: »

Not the smartest medical staff member me thinks:

A medical staff member rests in front of a fan in the Covid-19 intensive care unit at the United Memorial Medical Center in Houston, Texas

I know but its not comfy wearing PPE and sweating every minute of it.

Neamhshuntasach · 01-07-2020 10:40am

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

If it was me I would have reported him to the airport police. Moronic behaviour.

There's a reason I know he was American. I reacted angrily to him straight away although not sure if he caught my thick Dublin accent from behind my mask. He fumbled through an apology however.

Micky 32 · 01-07-2020 10:41am

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

If they refuse to wear a mask as will shortly be made mandatory then yes they should.

Ok, so if someone wears a mask travelling to an equally virus supressed country as our own country?

Renjit · 01-07-2020 10:41am

shinzon wrote: »

Well when they come back and start spreading the virus again you may change your tune tbh. We have had already imported cases each family that flies out and back in again increases the chance of it spiking exponentially. Incredibly selfish of these people to risk throwing away all we have achieved in suppressing the virus and keeping the numbers low for a few weeks in the sun.

So yeah you bet I have a problem with people flying out when public health advice is to not to very very foolish.

Shin

You cannot enforce health advice for non essential travel here. I hope we dont see spike again.

is_that_so · 01-07-2020 10:42am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

He claims to have worked with 700 Covid patients and managed through the proper precautions avoided contracting it himself, so yes I would suggest he's an expert being a professor is also a plus.

As is Gerry Killeen and that very odd woman out of UCD who seems to think it's all a hoax. He also ranted on about care homes for quite a while and at one stage suggested sending GPs into them. Himself and the other experts are to COVID what 2009 was to economists, a few moments of glory and none of them are shy about voicing opinions loudly. Lest you imagine I am challenging him on this, I am not. If you want to travel it's your own choice but I do take issue with the rent an expert approach the media uses to "explain" things to us.

wadacrack · 01-07-2020 10:43am

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1278088607551586306

schmoo2k · 01-07-2020 10:44am

Renjit wrote: »

I know but its not comfy wearing PPE and sweating every minute of it.

Now to be fair they could be in the process of putting on the PPE? But if not, they should probably go back and do a refresher course on how PPE works...

is_that_so · 01-07-2020 10:44am

ZX7R wrote: »

The CMO should be asked why he removed his tweets in relation to travel

He probably will be. I care about this as much as wedding sizes!

Boggles · 01-07-2020 10:45am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's not, I heard the interview on my way home from work.

Of course it is, he saying holidays are safe if you take precautions.

Ergo, holidays are not safe if you don't take precautions.

Do you think the Magaluf crew are not going to spend the week píssed out of their head trying to fornicate?

He is looking at the micro not the macro.

Cork Boy 53 · 01-07-2020 10:45am

Jackman25 wrote: »

Where will you be spying on today?

I haven`t decided yet bud. Wherever it is if I observe any breaches of health requirements they will be noted and reported if necessary.

Eod100 · 01-07-2020 10:45am

Ryanair embarrassing themselves here https://twitter.com/RyanairPress/status/1278258232545378305?s=19

gmisk · 01-07-2020 10:50am

shinzon wrote: »

Sickening scenes at Dublin airport this morning on Ireland Am news. The amount of people flying out is worrying in the extreme.

The clear public health advice is no non essential travel off of the Island, yet Ireland be like. With the amount of imported cases on the rise this gets even more dangerous now.

Shin

I heard an interview on the radio with some of the people at airport this morning....literally all howyasss...one claimed to be an athlete ..going to Amsterdam... the only thing he would be running is drugs...

Renjit · 01-07-2020 10:54am

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

I agree with travel to countries with low levels of cases who are doing a good job. And I see on board the airplane as safe. It's the airport that worries me a bit. I've seen plenty of examples of no social distancing and temp removal of masks or fidgeting with them this morning. Also seen people without masks which I didn't think was allowed. Some big American c**t actually removed his mask while standing over me to cough earlier. I was down at my laptop bag.

Obese people have more difficulty breathing. Masks make it worse.

Plumbthedepths · 01-07-2020 10:54am

Boggles wrote: »

Ergo, holidays are not safe if you don't take precautions.

Doesn't that apply to everything at the moment? Public transport, confined spaces example small shops........

Cork Boy 53 · 01-07-2020 10:54am

gmisk wrote: »

I heard an interview on the radio with some of the people at airport this morning....literally all howyasss...one claimed to be an athlete ..going to Amsterdam... the only thing he would be running is drugs...

Was it stated if many of these people interviewed were going on sun holidays?

Micky 32 · 01-07-2020 10:57am

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Was it stated if many of these people interviewed were going on sun holidays?

I’d say a large proportion travelling could be visiting families too not just sun , sex, sea and drugs ;-)

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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