Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

Bass Reeves · 13-01-2021 10:12am

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

AllForIt wrote: »

As a health issue I'm conflicted on this one.

On the one hand I do think the state should step in and tackle the obesity crisis through taxation.

And alcohol is a massive factor in obesity. Drinking high calorie drinks is one of the worst things you can do for your weight and health. You can pile on the pounds without eating anything.

But i'm uncomfortable with targeting a specific highly calorific product such as alcohol. It would be no different that targeting sausages or fried chicken or any other specific food product. And I would argue eating crappy food day in day out is far worse than a weekend alcohol binge.

edit: those that have an alcohol problem, those that drink most days, well that's a substance abuse issue, and I don't think that can be fixed by simply raising the minimum alcohol pricing.

I agree that minimum pricing will not stop those that have an issue. However if we look back at the way smoking was reduced it was something similar. 50 years ago a portion of the population smoked. It took 50 years of a combination of measures to reduce smoking to where it is now.

I agree the obesity issue needs to be tackled as well. See the way come has reduced there can size and priced it below a euro in Convience shops. This is targeting children more than anything else.

ohnonotgmail · 13-01-2021 10:22am

AllForIt wrote: »

As a health issue I'm conflicted on this one.

On the one hand I do think the state should step in and tackle the obesity crisis through taxation.

And alcohol is a massive factor in obesity. Drinking high calorie drinks is one of the worst things you can do for your weight and health. You can pile on the pounds without eating anything.

But i'm uncomfortable with targeting a specific highly calorific product such as alcohol. It would be no different that targeting sausages or fried chicken or any other specific food product. And I would argue eating crappy food day in day out is far worse than a weekend alcohol binge.

edit: those that have an alcohol problem, those that drink most days, well that's a substance abuse issue, and I don't think that can be fixed by simply raising the minimum alcohol pricing.

if they did want to increase prices to stop people drinking as much they could raise excise duty. at least that way the extra money would go to the government not to the shops. But they wont do that because it would affect the pub trade as well and the publicans lobby is too strong.

ohnonotgmail · 13-01-2021 10:22am

Mimon wrote: »

The way he was talking it would directly effect them which it won't. You are just guessing what might happen.

it is an educated guess.

10000maniacs · 13-01-2021 12:31pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Scotland introduced MUP a few years ago and I believe there were a number of EU investigations and court cases about it's validity before it was finally introduced.

Scotland were pencilled in for leaving the EU via Brexit at that stage. It could be a different story with Ireland.

10000maniacs · 13-01-2021 12:36pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I agree that minimum pricing will not stop those that have an issue. However if we look back at the way smoking was reduced it was something similar. 50 years ago a portion of the population smoked. It took 50 years of a combination of measures to reduce smoking to where it is now.

I agree the obesity issue needs to be tackled as well. See the way come has reduced there can size and priced it below a euro in Convience shops. This is targeting children more than anything else.

Smoking and drinking are two different health concerns. Smoking has no redeeming features whatsoever, while beer and wine drinking have nutritional benefits if taken in moderation. They won't do any damage to your system unless you go overboard with them.

ohnonotgmail · 13-01-2021 12:40pm

10000maniacs wrote: »

Smoking and drinking are two different health concerns. Smoking has no redeeming features whatsoever, while beer and wine drinking have nutritional benefits if taken in moderation. They won't do any damage to your system unless you go overboard with them.

they also have social benefits if taken in moderation.

Fr Tod Umptious · 13-01-2021 1:11pm

10000maniacs wrote: »

Scotland were pencilled in for leaving the EU via Brexit at that stage. It could be a different story with Ireland.

The Scottish legislation was first introduced in 2012
The ECJ made their first ruling on it in Dec 2015

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-35160396

Both before Brexit was even a word.

Brexit had nothing to do with it.

10000maniacs · 13-01-2021 1:14pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The Scottish legislation was first introduced in 2012
The ECJ made their first ruling on it in Dec 2015

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-35160396

Both before Brexit was even a word.

Brexit had nothing to do with it.

It was implemented on May 1st 2018 up to which time the EU could have appealed.

L1011 · 13-01-2021 2:11pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Scotland introduced MUP a few years ago and I believe there were a number of EU investigations and court cases about it's validity before it was finally introduced.

The EU effectively asked them to show that it was more effective than just taxing it based on trialing it. They left before they had to follow through fully on showing that.

The reduction in alcohol consumption there has been matched by an increase in drug use and drug harm & deaths - you can't prove they're connected, but its not hard to assume

We had a minimum price on cigarettes briefly that the EU overturned as we couldn't demonstrate that putting tax up wouldn't work as well.

murpho999 · 13-01-2021 2:21pm

I don't see why people are upset about this.

I love a few pints etc. More in the pub but since lockdown more at home.

I think over the last 6 months I've probably been drinking more over the course of a week than I normally would.

Either way, alcohol is not really good for us and having it separated in shops is a good thing. Not so much for adults now but for future generations where alcohol won't be just considered a normal product like it has done for years.

I can remember similar outcries of nanny statie approaches when other new laws came in such as wearing seat belts, drink driving restrictions and smoking bans and now they're all accepted as normal and we wouldn't change the laws.

I completely understand people being cynical of this in relation to lobbying and protecting of pub trade but I think in the long term Ireland would benefit by changing its relationship with alcohol somewhat and people would be healthier, social and domestic problems would ease also.

KungPao · 13-01-2021 2:43pm

^it’ll probably cause some more domestics in some cases, where Jimmy is now spending even more money on gargle and the arrears on the gas bill are getting worse. Jimmy won’t stop or reduce because of the cost, only if he really wants to.

Anyway, this country is really starting to get on my tits.

Macy0161 · 13-01-2021 2:52pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah craft beer sales will definitely take a hit

Some of my favourites were always on the 4 for €10 so €2.50 a bottle

Individual price now €2.80 so it's a 12% increase thanks to the government

The craft beer specialists have already switched their sites to "€2.50/ €3/ etc range" from "4 for €10/ 4 for €12" etc.

I'd expect the multiples to follow suit, eventually, but they'll see whether they can get away with it first. And also, they won't want to be the story of getting around the law.

ShamNNspace · 13-01-2021 3:11pm

I am sick to the teeth of the nannying and these "charities" beating us up and guilt-tripping tripping us about our "relationship with alcohol", they surely wont be happy until we're paying scandinavian prices here and even then they won't be happy. I've lived in Germany, Holland, Aus and Africa and by and large our alcohol relationship is healthier than any of those countries, we drink mostly for company and for that release that a few pints give us from the daily grind. Its never been a mystery to me why we drink, we are a melancholy people, death stalks us every day and whether we eat our greens or hit the gym every day some day we will face our own mortality, what price then a small headache of a morning after an evening of joy and escapism with ones friends. I often hear talk of how many deaths alcohol has caused but how many has it saved? those few drinks with a few friends of an evening, that human contact, how many have been saved from the rope or the river by a few kind words that may only have been uttered after the tongue was lossened after a pint or two? I fear many are missing this contact in these times and by the death notices around here some of them may well have given up and withdrawn into themselves again and perhaps the loneliness got them in the end.. Alcohol is a gift that has brought me many good times but it needs to be respected, these new measures being pushed by the prohibitionistas do nothing for those who may have a problem with alcohol, never will, not in a month of sundays

10000maniacs · 13-01-2021 3:16pm

KungPao wrote: »

^it’ll probably cause some more domestics in some cases, where Jimmy is now spending even more money on gargle and the arrears on the gas bill are getting worse. Jimmy won’t stop or reduce because of the cost, only if he really wants to.

Anyway, this country is really starting to get on my tits.

I agree. It's the principle of MUP that annoys me.
The vast majority of the population have no problem with alcohol consumption.
But getting the slab of 24 for €23.99 at Christmas means an expensive time would be slightly less of an expense for parties and such.
If the Dail want to keep pubs buoyant, as is their hyperbolic aim in all of this, change their business model. €5.50 a pint upwards is taking the mick.
There are too many pubs in Ireland anyway.
I am from a small village in Ireland which has 7 pubs. Six too many in my opinion.

ballyargus · 13-01-2021 3:36pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

I am sick to the teeth of the nannying and these "charities" beating us up and guilt-tripping tripping us about our "relationship with alcohol", they surely wont be happy until we're paying scandinavian prices here and even then they won't be happy. I've lived in Germany, Holland, Aus and Africa and by and large our alcohol relationship is healthier than any of those countries, we drink mostly for company and for that release that a few pints give us from the daily grind. Its never been a mystery to me why we drink, we are a melancholy people, death stalks us every day and whether we eat our greens or hit the gym every day some day we will face our own mortality, what price then a small headache of a morning after an evening of joy and escapism with ones friends. I often hear talk of how many deaths alcohol has caused but how many has it saved? those few drinks with a few friends of an evening, that human contact, how many have been saved from the rope or the river by a few kind words that may only have been uttered after the tongue was lossened after a pint or two? I fear many are missing this contact in these times and by the death notices around here some of them may well have given up and withdrawn into themselves again and perhaps the loneliness got them in the end.. Alcohol is a gift that has brought me many good times but it needs to be respected, these new measures being pushed by the prohibitionistas do nothing for those who may have a problem with alcohol, never will, not in a month of sundays

I back you 100%. Either get canvassing or get writing, you'll have my vote or I'll buy your book.

Bass Reeves · 13-01-2021 3:54pm

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

10000maniacs wrote: »

Smoking and drinking are two different health concerns. Smoking has no redeeming features whatsoever, while beer and wine drinking have nutritional benefits if taken in moderation. They won't do any damage to your system unless you go overboard with them.

Yes but minimum pricing will have little effect on those that drink for nutritional benefit. Those that drink in moderation or not at all will see those that drink excessively pay more tax. This reduces the tax burden on moderate drinkers.

Fr Tod Umptious · 13-01-2021 3:56pm

L1011 wrote: »

The EU effectively asked them to show that it was more effective than just taxing it based on trialing it. They left before they had to follow through fully on showing that.

The reduction in alcohol consumption there has been matched by an increase in drug use and drug harm & deaths - you can't prove they're connected, but its not hard to assume

We had a minimum price on cigarettes briefly that the EU overturned as we couldn't demonstrate that putting tax up wouldn't work as well.

They only fully left 2 weeks ago !

ECJ ruled in Dec 2015 that MUP it would breach EU trading rules if alternative tax measures could be introduced.

The UK Supreme court struck that down in Nov 2017

https://www.euractiv.com/section/alcohol/news/uk-supreme-court-approves-scottish-law-on-minimum-alcohol-pricing/

You could argue that Brexit was a factor in that striking down but I don't think the breath of UK Supreme Courts due diligence into a case includes attitudes like "feck it we will be out from under the ECJ soon enough lets strike this one down".

I'm guessing the Irish supreme court would also be well within it's rights to reject something from the ECJ.

ohnonotgmail · 13-01-2021 4:10pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Yes but minimum pricing will have little effect on those that drink for nutritional benefit. Those that drink in moderation or not at all will see those that drink excessively pay more tax. This reduces the tax burden on moderate drinkers.

MUP will have no effect on the tax paid on alcohol.

10000maniacs · 13-01-2021 4:11pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Yes but minimum pricing will have little effect on those that drink for nutritional benefit. Those that drink in moderation or not at all will see those that drink excessively pay more tax. This reduces the tax burden on moderate drinkers.

You are really missing the point there.

Snickers Man · 13-01-2021 4:31pm

Snickers Man wrote: »

If this means that I no longer get my "four for the price of three" bottles of my beloved Guiness West Indian Porter, I'll be pissed off!

Individually priced at €3.20 (down from €3.50 as was AFAIR) so effectively a €0.70 cent per bottle price rise, given that I only ever bought them in fours because, well, why wouldn't you?

I'M PISSED OFF!!!!

How do we go about "defunding" AAI?

13-01-2021 5:21pm

murpho999 wrote: »

I don't see why people are upset about this.

You don't understand why people are annoyed about something being more expensive today than it was this day last week? Really?

I love a few pints etc. More in the pub but since lockdown more at home.

I think over the last 6 months I've probably been drinking more over the course of a week than I normally would.

And?

Either way, alcohol is not really good for us

Source for this?

and having it separated in shops is a good thing.

Why?

Not so much for adults now but for future generations where alcohol won't be just considered a normal product like it has done for years.

By years you mean thousands yes?

I can remember similar outcries of nanny statie approaches when other new laws came in such as wearing seat belts, drink driving restrictions and smoking bans and now they're all accepted as normal and we wouldn't change the laws.

Seat belts and drink driving laws make sense though. This doesn't.

I completely understand people being cynical of this in relation to lobbying and protecting of pub trade but I think in the long term Ireland would benefit by changing its relationship with alcohol somewhat and people would be healthier, social and domestic problems would ease also.

Drinking in ireland has been decreasing for years already. We'd be healthier and happier if the laws got enforced and and the people causing misery got sent to jail.

Quackster · 13-01-2021 5:27pm

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

Snickers Man wrote: »

Individually priced at €3.20 (down from €3.50 as was AFAIR) so effectively a €0.70 cent per bottle price rise, given that I only ever bought them in fours because, well, why wouldn't you?

Picked some up for €2.60 each in Dunnes yesterday. Shop around!

Snickers Man · 13-01-2021 7:20pm

Quackster wrote: »

Picked some up for €2.60 each in Dunnes yesterday. Shop around!

Good to know. The Retail Empires Strike Back, or at least some of them do.

Quackster · 13-01-2021 11:35pm

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

Snickers Man wrote: »

Good to know. The Retail Empires Strike Back, or at least some of them do.

Actually, 'twas Sunday. My last time throwing a few beers in with the shopping to get me over the €50! They'd already changed their pricing at that stage though.

Was going to pick up a few Leann Folláin but they're now €2.80 each.

Potential-Monke · 14-01-2021 12:43am

*Checks in on thread*

*People giving out that this is a measure being introduced that will penalise everyone even though the vast majority of drinkers have self control and cop on*

*Smiles and lights joint*

*Leaves thread*

listermint · 14-01-2021 12:53am

Quackster wrote: »

Actually, 'twas Sunday. My last time throwing a few beers in with the shopping to get me over the €50! They'd already changed their pricing at that stage though.

Was going to pick up a few Leann Folláin but they're now €2.80 each.

It's all going up .

Exactly as I said it would.

Smart move by the vintners lobbying for this. Push more people to home brew and after covid most won't be able to open again. Doors closing all over the place. They've really managed to punish their consumers.

Silly silly boys.

Suckit · 14-01-2021 2:15am

murpho999 wrote: »

I don't see why people are upset about this.
I love a few pints etc. More in the pub but since lockdown more at home.
I think over the last 6 months I've probably been drinking more over the course of a week than I normally would.
Either way, alcohol is not really good for us and having it separated in shops is a good thing. Not so much for adults now but for future generations where alcohol won't be just considered a normal product like it has done for years.
I can remember similar outcries of nanny statie approaches when other new laws came in such as wearing seat belts, drink driving restrictions and smoking bans and now they're all accepted as normal and we wouldn't change the laws.
I completely understand people being cynical of this in relation to lobbying and protecting of pub trade but I think in the long term Ireland would benefit by changing its relationship with alcohol somewhat and people would be healthier, social and domestic problems would ease also.

There are so many issue I have with your post, that I am genuinely having trouble trying to pick where to start.
The first three sentences are all about you, and the fact that you find yourself drinking more than normal or possibly out of moderation, also during the weirdest, most unsociable time of our lives - and you can't see why 'people' would be upset with it going up. The same people that don't abuse drink? The same that don't have issues? Just because you do.
You should take a look at how lockdown is affecting you, not the alcohol. If you are turning to alcohol to get through it, or relieve boredom etc. and aren't happy with it, then that is down to you and you alone. If you cannot control it, seek help, don't blame others, or stores because they sell it and you can afford it.

If you think that this will not encourage the younger generation to start taking cheaper drugs, especially in the less well off areas, then you are barking mad. The drug trade in Ireland has already made it’s first Billionaire(s) and is growing.
This has not been thought out properly at all.
Long term Ireland has been doing ok, but to change it’s relationship with alcohol, we need to embrace it, and relax the laws, not put more restrictions on it, and try and use bullshit excuses that it is for our health. If that is the case, raise the prices of processed foods, meats etc. High in sugar content.
Everything is bad for you when taken out of moderation, but those in particular are worse.
Lower the price - set a ‘maximum’ bar or 'roof price' for which they cannot go above for the healthier foods and drinks etc.
The government are full of shit bringing this is in and pushing it through. They get away with so much, they know this is just another.
Smoking bans, seatbelts, and drink driving restrictions are not the same thing at all.
AAI seem to all have a story about being affected by alcohol, or know somebody that is.
That is an understandable grievance that they have, and while they are not alone, it shouldn’t mean that they for some weird reason get massive funding to campaign and have the power to bring in new laws. Not everyone abuses alcohol the way the people they know did, and there are much bigger issues, this is not tackling anything, no matter what they try and kid themselves.

Kivaro · 14-01-2021 10:39am

Wonder what the Health Minister Stephen Donnelly meant a few days ago when he said that we should not be able to buy alcohol for "pocket money prices". I thought that was a bit condescending of him. According to the dictionary, pocket money is described as: a small amount of extra money.

So are the people who bust their backsides all week working or just surviving, and then find some small amount of extra money, after all the bills are paid and excess Irish taxes are taken, treat themselves to low cost alcohol; are they somehow to feel guilty for spending their own money?
Very odd comment from Donnelly.

Jerry Atrick · 14-01-2021 10:45am

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

Was in Tesco last night, a very basic question...are all the offers now a thing of the past? Is it just the advertising of said offers or are the 4 for €10 now fully null and void? This is the greatest codology if that is the case.

Kivaro · 14-01-2021 10:49am

While understand that some people have alcohol issues, I'm sure that Alcohol Action Ireland (AAI) are busy now after their recent success figuring out ways to further reduce the availability of alcohol to consenting adults in Ireland.

odyssey06 · 14-01-2021 11:10am

Jerry Atrick wrote: »

Was in Tesco last night, a very basic question...are all the offers now a thing of the past? Is it just the advertising of said offers or are the 4 for €10 now fully null and void? This is the greatest codology if that is the case.

4 for €10 mix and match gone.
4 cans in a pack with its own barcode for €10 is ok.

You also can't collect or use loyalty points or spend and save vouchers for alcohol, so can't be used in Dunnes €50 voucher spend.

Mr. teddywinkles · 14-01-2021 11:21am

Kivaro wrote: »

Wonder what the Health Minister Stephen Donnelly meant a few days ago when he said that we should not be able to buy alcohol for "pocket money prices". I thought that was a bit condescending of him. According to the dictionary, pocket money is described as: a small amount of extra money.

So are the people who bust their backsides all week working or just surviving, and then find some small amount of extra money, after all the bills are paid and excess Irish taxes are taken, treat themselves to low cost alcohol; are they somehow to feel guilty for spending their own money?
Very odd comment from Donnelly.

Politicians are on big money for doing fook all so a 50e bottle of wine is peanuts to them

Purgative · 14-01-2021 11:23am

I hear the Dáil bar is still very reasonable.

Doctor Jimbob · 14-01-2021 11:24am

Kivaro wrote: »

Wonder what the Health Minister Stephen Donnelly meant a few days ago when he said that we should not be able to buy alcohol for "pocket money prices". I thought that was a bit condescending of him. According to the dictionary, pocket money is described as: a small amount of extra money.

So are the people who bust their backsides all week working or just surviving, and then find some small amount of extra money, after all the bills are paid and excess Irish taxes are taken, treat themselves to low cost alcohol; are they somehow to feel guilty for spending their own money?
Very odd comment from Donnelly.

It's just an attempt to keep up the myth that alcohol is cheap in Ireland.

Jerry Atrick · 14-01-2021 1:46pm

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

odyssey06 wrote: »

4 for €10 mix and match gone.
4 cans in a pack with its own barcode for €10 is ok.

You also can't collect or use loyalty points or spend and save vouchers for alcohol, so can't be used in Dunnes €50 voucher spend.

What a crock of sh1te

murpho999 · 14-01-2021 3:26pm

Suckit wrote: »

There are so many issue I have with your post, that I am genuinely having trouble trying to pick where to start.
The first three sentences are all about you, and the fact that you find yourself drinking more than normal or possibly out of moderation, also during the weirdest, most unsociable time of our lives - and you can't see why 'people' would be upset with it going up. The same people that don't abuse drink? The same that don't have issues? Just because you do.
You should take a look at how lockdown is affecting you, not the alcohol. If you are turning to alcohol to get through it, or relieve boredom etc. and aren't happy with it, then that is down to you and you alone. If you cannot control it, seek help, don't blame others, or stores because they sell it and you can afford it.

If you think that this will not encourage the younger generation to start taking cheaper drugs, especially in the less well off areas, then you are barking mad. The drug trade in Ireland has already made it’s first Billionaire(s) and is growing.
This has not been thought out properly at all.
Long term Ireland has been doing ok, but to change it’s relationship with alcohol, we need to embrace it, and relax the laws, not put more restrictions on it, and try and use bullshit excuses that it is for our health. If that is the case, raise the prices of processed foods, meats etc. High in sugar content.
Everything is bad for you when taken out of moderation, but those in particular are worse.
Lower the price - set a ‘maximum’ bar or 'roof price' for which they cannot go above for the healthier foods and drinks etc.
The government are full of shit bringing this is in and pushing it through. They get away with so much, they know this is just another.
Smoking bans, seatbelts, and drink driving restrictions are not the same thing at all.
AAI seem to all have a story about being affected by alcohol, or know somebody that is.
That is an understandable grievance that they have, and while they are not alone, it shouldn’t mean that they for some weird reason get massive funding to campaign and have the power to bring in new laws. Not everyone abuses alcohol the way the people they know did, and there are much bigger issues, this is not tackling anything, no matter what they try and kid themselves.

Well my first 3 lines were just to show that i'm not someone who is anti drink or anything like that.
I also never said I abuse drink at all but find myself moderately drinking more as I work from home now and might have one or two beers during the week when I finish whereas normally I don't bother. Does not mean I have a problem with alcohol so there's no need for your lecture thank you.

Also if you read my post you'll see I was referring more to the separation of alcohol in the supermarkets, which I think makes sense and I never mentioned pricing at all.

In relation to pricing , I don't think it's as bad as people make out . I do however feel the legislation is coming from lobbying by publicans.

Either way I have not noticed any increase in price in my local supermarket this week.

I do think that smoking bans etc are comparable as they're laws designed to affect people's behaviour and were also met with a lot of opposition.

Also, the drug issue, completely separate. But maybe that should be looked at as many would argue that drugs are less harmful to society than alcohol.

Thelonious Monk · 14-01-2021 3:28pm

Purgative wrote: »

I hear the Dáil bar is still very reasonable.

I've been in the visitors bar which is on the other side of the Dail bar a few times and it's the same prices as any other pub really.

Macy0161 · 14-01-2021 4:00pm

Was in an O'Briens at lunch - their craft beer shelves were labelled "€2.50 = 4 for €10" and "€3 = 3 for €9". It's only a matter of time before the multiples do the same, but they'll never let an opportunity to catch people on the family shop pass...

14-01-2021 4:14pm

Murpho999 wrote:

Also, the drug issue, completely separate. But maybe that should be looked at as many would argue that drugs are less harmful to society than alcohol.

Who are these people? Drug dealers?

murpho999 · 14-01-2021 4:32pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Who are these people? Drug dealers?

There's been lots of studies and reports of comparing harmful physical effects of alcohol and drugs and alcohol has more impact.
It's the addiction with drugs that leads to other problems.

Zaph · 14-01-2021 4:34pm

Macy0161 wrote: »

Was in an O'Briens at lunch - their craft beer shelves were labelled "€2.50 = 4 for €10" and "€3 = 3 for €9".

It possibly says a lot about the state of education in the country that they felt the need to spell that out, rather than assuming people would be able to figure it out themselves.

14-01-2021 4:44pm

Zaph wrote: »

It possibly says a lot about the state of education in the country that they felt the need to spell that out, rather than assuming people would be able to figure it out themselves.

It's a bit delboy-esque. "They're 2.50 each or two for a fiver"

ohnonotgmail · 14-01-2021 5:03pm

murpho999 wrote: »

Well my first 3 lines were just to show that i'm not someone who is anti drink or anything like that.
I also never said I abuse drink at all but find myself moderately drinking more as I work from home now and might have one or two beers during the week when I finish whereas normally I don't bother. Does not mean I have a problem with alcohol so there's no need for your lecture thank you.

Also if you read my post you'll see I was referring more to the separation of alcohol in the supermarkets, which I think makes sense and I never mentioned pricing at all.

In relation to pricing , I don't think it's as bad as people make out . I do however feel the legislation is coming from lobbying by publicans.

Either way I have not noticed any increase in price in my local supermarket this week.

I do think that smoking bans etc are comparable as they're laws designed to affect people's behaviour and were also met with a lot of opposition.

Also, the drug issue, completely separate. But maybe that should be looked at as many would argue that drugs are less harmful to society than alcohol.

the price increases haven't started yet just a ban on bundle deals.

Spanish Eyes · 14-01-2021 5:04pm

Next up is only allowing off sales between 2-5pm or something.

14-01-2021 5:05pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Next up is only allowing off sales between 2-5pm or something.

It wouldn't surprise me. Punish workers further. But little effect on the social classes.

Thelonious Monk · 14-01-2021 5:07pm

Next up will be MUP, but then they'll want half the beer label covered in cancer/mental health warnings.
I wouldn't be surprised if they try and ban it from supermarkets eventually and only have it in specialist shops.
It really irks me the Gov doing this to cater to a few arseholes, it makes me lose respect for the administration and the country in general.

Kivaro · 14-01-2021 5:09pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

.....
It really irks me the Gov doing this to cater to a few arseholes, it makes me lose respect for the administration and the country in general.

I'll drink to that.

Quackster · 14-01-2021 5:17pm

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the price increases haven't started yet just a ban on bundle deals.

That poster mustn't be a craft beer drinker.

As per my previous post, craft beer prices have very much gone up in the supermarkets this week since the €3 for €9 & €4 for €10 offers were banned.

14-01-2021 5:24pm

Quackster wrote: »

That poster mustn't be a craft beer drinker.

As per my previous post, craft beer prices have very much gone up in the supermarkets this week since the €3 for €9 & €4 for €10 offers were banned.

My dad likes the premade cans of Pina Colada. Usually 4 for 10 euro. Now, 2.60 each. Some things have already gone up in price.

I also wonder about the loyalty card thing. They've basically cancelled O'Brien's card now, because all you can use it for are crisps.

ohnonotgmail · 14-01-2021 5:25pm

Quackster wrote: »

That poster mustn't be a craft beer drinker.

As per my previous post, craft beer prices have very much gone up in the supermarkets this week since the €3 for €9 & €4 for €10 offers were banned.

no, the bundling offers have been banned as I said. the price increases i.e. MUP will come later.

Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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