Kia Niro EV

Silent Running · 04-10-2019 8:28am

krissovo wrote: »

That’s close to Ioniq territory at motorway speeds, during my test drives i was getting just shy of 17 with 65% motorway. Even more impressive is that ACC is not normally kind to efficient driving. Was it all downhill:)

My wife who drives really efficiently can only get 17 from the leaf or 15.8 with the i3 with the same 65% motorway commute.

I.d like to see the trip where 1200kms are all downhill.

I always got good efficiency out of the Ioniq... maybe it's just my driving style.

unkel wrote: »

I'd say it was a light foot, or not an awful lot of 120km/h GPS speed driving. I don't even average 14.6kWh/100km in Ioniq at those motorway speeds.

While there were A LOT of roadworks on the M4 and M6, with speed limits of 50mph/80kph, the rest was done at motorway limits or above. The journeys are long enough without having to drive slowly! Don't forget that motorway limits over there translate to 112kph..I was regularly over that figure.

On Wednesday night I had to go from London to Holyhead when it became obvious that Irish Ferries were going to cancel my Pembroke to Rosslare return, I was running the heating all the way. One 45 minute charge at Knutsford Services on the M6 to give me enough to get back down to Wexford after the ferry. The bigger battery is a game changer on long trips. No moped engine needed.

I normally run with regen set to zero, but with the auto regen on. I think this makes a big difference in efficiency, as the car applies regen to slow the car, then goes back to zero as soon as it can. The Niro ACC seems to be a lot more efficient than the Ioniq. It seems to allow the car to freewheel more and it's not as aggressive with acceleration on the uphill sections. I suppose the extra BHP means it doesn't have to floor it to keep the speed to the setting.

I'd like to claim all the credit for being such an efficient driver, but the truth is that the car was doing most of the driving. I was just sitting with my feet on the floor and my hands on my knees, watching it do it's magic. :P:D

Old diesel · 04-10-2019 9:43am

Was the Holyhead sailing to Dublin??????.

London to Wexford on ONE stop is very very good regardless.

Would be amazing if "down to Wexford" was from Dublin port.

Silent Running · 04-10-2019 10:51am

Old diesel wrote: »

Was the Holyhead sailing to Dublin??????.

London to Wexford on ONE stop is very very good regardless.

Would be amazing if "down to Wexford" was from Dublin port.

Yup, just north of London on the A10 to Knutsford Services on the M6, then across to Holyhead. From Dublin port to Wexford.

Knutsford to Wexford was only something like 320kms. London to Knutsford was something like 260kms. All easy range for the Niro. Not sure why the amazement.

Wexford to London was one stop at Reading Services on the M4. (Rosslare to Pembroke Dock)

I use 350kms as my personal maximum, both for a driving break and for a comfortable range to allow for charger issues when needed. I like to have a reasonable range to get to my plan B.

Old diesel · 04-10-2019 2:38pm

Silent Running wrote: »

Old diesel wrote: »

Was the Holyhead sailing to Dublin??????.

London to Wexford on ONE stop is very very good regardless.

Would be amazing if "down to Wexford" was from Dublin port.

Yup, just north of London on the A10 to Knutsford Services on the M6, then across to Holyhead. From Dublin port to Wexford.

Knutsford to Wexford was only something like 320kms. London to Knutsford was something like 260kms. All easy range for the Niro. Not sure why the amazement. Wexford to London was one stop at Reading Services on the M4. (Rosslare to Pembroke Dock)

I use 350kms as my personal maximum, both for a driving break and for a comfortable range to allow for charger issues when needed. I like to have a reasonable range to get to my plan B.

Sorry I was getting a bit overexcited when I said amazing.

But it's a good example of how usable a modern EV can be.

DrPhilG · 09-10-2019 12:45am

Right, I'm going to contact the local dealer tomorrow and make some enquiries on the eNiro.

For those who own it, I have some questions if you don't mind. I've followed a good bit of the thread but this is just a quick summary I'm after.

*Could you tell me in your experience:
*Best case scenario mileage
*Worst case scenario mileage
*Acceleration compared to other EVs you've *driven
*Comfort and space
*PCP/lease deals

I don't get great range as I have a heavy boot. I used to get about 100km on an average to good trip in my 24kWh Leaf, currently get about 150km in my 94ah i3 REx.

I know there is a hefty wait time on the eNiro, but if I can find the right deal I'd consider a deposit now and sell the i3 privately when the time comes. The i3 seems to be keeping its value very well, but (1)I'd prefer to go back to full electric now that the network should be improving (plus with 64kWh I'd barely ever need it) and (2)the i3 is now out of warranty. 2 things make me nervous, an out of warranty EV and an out of warranty BMW. Combine the 2 and its squeaky bum time.

Silent Running · 09-10-2019 8:13am

DrPhilG wrote: »

For those who own it, I have some questions if you don't mind. I've followed a good bit of the thread but this is just a quick summary I'm after.

*Could you tell me in your experience:
*Best case scenario mileage
*Worst case scenario mileage
*Acceleration compared to other EVs you've *driven
*Comfort and space
*PCP/lease deals

I'll give it a go Phil.

Best case scenario mileage? The GOM seems to be pretty accurate so, going by that I've seen mid 450 to low 470 figures. Using 350 as my target range to charge seems to work well. A very heavy boot will probably bring this back to 300, if you're that way inclined. This leaves 100 contingency kms to get to back-up chargers. As you're planning less charging, the range pretty much ceases to be an issue.

Acceleration: Of course, identical to the Kona. I've also driven the I3 120Ah and there's a bit more oomph in the Niro. It blows the Ioniq out of the water, especially in the passing acceleration range.

Comfort and space: well it took me a while to get the seat and steering wheel positions right, but having done very long trips in the car, I find it to be quite good. Space is where the Niro shines. I'm a six footer, so are my sons. No problems with one of them sitting behind me, With the back seats folded it's like a van. I haven't bothered to drop the rear floor to give more boot space. I don't really need it.

I can't help you with finance I'm afraid. I bought with cash.

The large battery really changes the EV experience. I use the battery capacity meter just like I did when I drove ICE: fill it when necessary. On a long run I just pick where my one stop will be. Somewhere around 350kms in my case.

Worst thing about the Niro? Headlights! They're just about adequate.

DrPhilG · 09-10-2019 8:57am

Thanks, interesting that you found it nipper than the 120ah i3.

The official 0-100km for the 120ah is 7.3, 0.2 of a second faster than the e-Niro.

Both are a damn sight better than the 8.1 of my 94ah mind you, although I've never found it slow, even at overtaking speed going from say 90 to 140 very quickly.

That was where it blew my old Leaf away. I often contended that the i3 was actually a tiny bit slower off the line than the 24kWh Leaf, but at higher speeds the i3 roasted it.

ELM327 · 09-10-2019 9:00am

Silent Running wrote: »

I'll give it a go Phil.

Best case scenario mileage? The GOM seems to be pretty accurate so, going by that I've seen mid 450 to low 470 figures. Using 350 as my target range to charge seems to work well. A very heavy boot will probably bring this back to 300, if you're that way inclined. This leaves 100 contingency kms to get to back-up chargers. As you're planning less charging, the range pretty much ceases to be an issue.

Acceleration: Of course, identical to the Kona. I've also driven the I3 120Ah and there's a bit more oomph in the Niro. It blows the Ioniq out of the water, especially in the passing acceleration range.

Comfort and space: well it took me a while to get the seat and steering wheel positions right, but having done very long trips in the car, I find it to be quite good. Space is where the Niro shines. I'm a six footer, so are my sons. No problems with one of them sitting behind me, With the back seats folded it's like a van. I haven't bothered to drop the rear floor to give more boot space. I don't really need it.

I can't help you with finance I'm afraid. I bought with cash.

The large battery really changes the EV experience. I use the battery capacity meter just like I did when I drove ICE: fill it when necessary. On a long run I just pick where my one stop will be. Somewhere around 350kms in my case.

Worst thing about the Niro? Headlights! They're just about adequate.

I think this is when people's mindsets about EVs will change. When the behavior/use pattern follows a familiar mindset.

krissovo · 09-10-2019 10:59am

I feel a drag race challenge is needed between the niro and I3, the instant launch of I3 should smoke it to the half way but then I am not so sure. It’s commendable the lump of the niro can even challenge the I3 for accelerating.

liamog · 09-10-2019 12:37pm

Saw on Facebook, the Kia Ireland dealer conferences are going on in the next week. We're likely to see updated prices/spec on the Niro EV after October 20th.

Silent Running · 09-10-2019 1:13pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

Thanks, interesting that you found it nipper than the 120ah i3.

The official 0-100km for the 120ah is 7.3, 0.2 of a second faster than the e-Niro.

Both are a damn sight better than the 8.1 of my 94ah mind you, although I've never found it slow, even at overtaking speed going from say 90 to 140 very quickly.

That was where it blew my old Leaf away. I often contended that the i3 was actually a tiny bit slower off the line than the 24kWh Leaf, but at higher speeds the i3 roasted it.

The I3 felt more agile, lighter. But it was more impressive to launch the much more bulky Niro off the line. I felt the Niro had the edge when rolling though. Going from 60 to 120kph in sport mode is... um... interesting.

Silent Running · 09-10-2019 1:15pm

liamog wrote: »

Saw on Facebook, the Kia Ireland dealer conferences are going on in the next week. We're likely to see updated prices/spec on the Niro EV after October 20th.

Hopefully we'll get the newer spec for January. The led headlights and app would be worth the extra cost of the updated model IMO.

Kramer · 09-10-2019 4:20pm

Silent Running wrote: »

Acceleration: Of course, identical to the Kona.

I found the Kona significantly quicker off the line than the eNiro, certainly in the initial acceleration stage. Traction is an issue with all that torque going to the front wheels though & I doubt anyone would complain either are slow.

I found the Kona exceedingly small though & the interior felt particularly budget .

jmpie · 09-10-2019 9:38pm

Hi has anyone got a software update on the eNiro yet from the dealer? And if you did what did it do?

My car has been great in general I have seen between 450and 470km range on full charge but usually don’t do full charges. Can used it 4-5 days usually between 80% charges. The handling is a bit numb but it’s as adequate, acceleration is excellent, really good for overtaking. Headlights are poor very yellow colour different bulbs might help but pity they were not LED. A few small panel noises not really rattling but can hear noise from drivers door panel and something is the boot somewhere. Also the touchscreen is slightly loose at one corner you can feel and hear it push in a millimetre or so. I Will mention to the dealer at some stage.
But really the large capacity battery just opens up the whole country to you compared to the 24kWh leaf I had.

bewhiched · 10-10-2019 10:12am

Hello
Just wanted to ask how much is this Niro EV I went to drogheda and they couldn't tell me as they are waiting on word Kia.. looking to buy in January plus we have charging in the job.
and had took my details and will get back to me.

Is there a new model coming out not getting much info from.the dealer
..

Cheers

Silent Running · 10-10-2019 11:02am

bewhiched wrote: »

Hello
Just wanted to ask how much is this Niro EV I went to drogheda and they couldn't tell me as they are waiting on word Kia.. looking to buy in January plus we have charging in the job.
and had took my details and will get back to me.

Is there a new model coming out not getting much info from.the dealer
..

Cheers

There is an update coming out. 10.25" screen, new supervision cluster, LED headlights and an app. It will be a higher price than the current one though. Talk in UK is that it will be £1700 (~€1900) higher than current.

When this upgrade arrives in the UK isn't known at the moment. When or even if we get this upgrade in Ireland is anyone's guess.

Don't hold your breath for the dealer to get back to you, they're not good at that stuff. If you want information you'll have to hound them, failing that hound another dealer.

jmpie · 10-10-2019 1:20pm

I paid €39,000 for mine in total including the trade in and cash. didn't look into the finance deals

bewhiched · 10-10-2019 2:17pm

Thank you so much so it's a New model coming out...
Yes rang about 10 today was getting AFRAID to mention EV niro lot of them couldn't be arsed mullingar where great very helpful but after Friday week they'll know more it seems how many cars etc...

dbran · 11-10-2019 7:57pm

Is there a "paddy spec" nero and does anyone know how does it differ from the UK version?

JohnC. · 11-10-2019 8:34pm

dbran wrote: »

Is there a "paddy spec" nero and does anyone know how does it differ from the UK version?

The paddy spec is a bit different than UK. Not that you can buy it now anyway, so it's a bit moot. Sounds like there may be a new spec for next year known in about 10 days, so it might be worth waiting to hear that.

kevin16w · 13-10-2019 8:02pm

Hi all. I’m looking for assistance if possible with my Niro. I love it but have noticed something for the past little while. I have set for scheduled charging and pre heating and that’s how I noticed the issue. Simply the charging would start when I come home and also car wasn’t always pre heated in morning. I just checked tonight what’s going on. When I plugged in and car started charging again. It started off low and then ramped up to 7.2 as normal but the estimated charge completion was 17.5 hours and it really shouldn’t be. It seems to be overriding the schedule charging and location charging. I’m also fairly confident firmware is latest as was when I got in July and don’t feel there has been as update since. Please help if you can. I’m open to all ideas.

KCross · 13-10-2019 9:16pm

kevin16w wrote: »

Hi all. I’m looking for assistance if possible with my Niro. I love it but have noticed something for the past little while. I have set for scheduled charging and pre heating and that’s how I noticed the issue. Simply the charging would start when I come home and also car wasn’t always pre heated in morning. I just checked tonight what’s going on. When I plugged in and car started charging again. It started off low and then ramped up to 7.2 as normal but the estimated charge completion was 17.5 hours and it really shouldn’t be. It seems to be overriding the schedule charging and location charging. I’m also fairly confident firmware is latest as was when I got in July and don’t feel there has been as update since. Please help if you can. I’m open to all ideas.

Is it a Zappi charge point?

kevin16w · 13-10-2019 9:54pm

KCross wrote: »

Is it a Zappi charge point?

No I have evbox. I didn’t think it would be the box as the speed is coming in ok at 7.2kw/h. Maybe it is my box. What do you think.

KCross · 13-10-2019 10:09pm

kevin16w wrote: »

No I have evbox. I didn’t think it would be the box as the speed is coming in ok at 7.2kw/h. Maybe it is my box. What do you think.

There is a known issue with the way the Zappi works that causes an identical issue as you describe where it shows a really long charge time which then gives unexpected charge results.

I dont know anything about EVbox but its possible it has the same behavior. It sounds like it anyway based on what you've described.

Basically, when you plug the car in it communicates with the charge point to see what the max rate it can pull from the charge point and it then uses that to calulate the required charge time which is used in conjunction with your charge timers later that night.

For the Zappi it had the behavior of slowly ramping the rate up to 7kW but the car only senses the rate for a second or so when it is plugged in and doesnt get 7kW in that timeframe so then gives a stupid charge time reading. The EVbox sounds like it does the same thing.

There was a setting in the Zappi to change how it behaved. As I said, I know nothing about EVbox so I think it might be time to pull out the manual or contact their support for advice.

kevin16w · 13-10-2019 10:16pm

KCross wrote: »

Is it a Zappi charge point?

KCross wrote: »

There is a known issue with the way the Zappi works that causes an identical issue as you describe where it shows a really long charge time which then gives unexpected charge results.

I dont know anything about EVbox but its possible it has the same behavior. It sounds like it anyway based on what you've described.

Basically, when you plug the car in it communicates with the charge point to see what the max rate it can pull from the charge point and it then uses that to calulate the required charge time which is used in conjunction with your charge timers later that night.

For the Zappi it had the behavior of slowly ramping the rate up to 7kW but the car only senses the rate for a second or so when it is plugged in and doesnt get 7kW in that timeframe so then gives a stupid charge time reading. The EVbox sounds like it does the same thing.

There was a setting in the Zappi to change how it behaved. As I said, I know nothing about EVbox so I think it might be time to pull out the manual or contact their support for advice.

Thanks, I’ll reach out and see. It just seems unusual to be occurring more recently and had been working fine.

Silent Running · 14-10-2019 7:54am

kevin16w wrote: »

Hi all. I’m looking for assistance if possible with my Niro. I love it but have noticed something for the past little while. I have set for scheduled charging and pre heating and that’s how I noticed the issue. Simply the charging would start when I come home and also car wasn’t always pre heated in morning. I just checked tonight what’s going on. When I plugged in and car started charging again. It started off low and then ramped up to 7.2 as normal but the estimated charge completion was 17.5 hours and it really shouldn’t be. It seems to be overriding the schedule charging and location charging. I’m also fairly confident firmware is latest as was when I got in July and don’t feel there has been as update since. Please help if you can. I’m open to all ideas.

There is a new update. It's from earlier this year, where our cars were released with software from 2018. I don't know if it addresses this issue though.

Reach out (:rolleyes:) to your dealer.

kevin16w · 14-10-2019 10:28am

Silent Running wrote: »

There is a new update. It's from earlier this year, where our cars were released with software from 2018. I don't know if it addresses this issue though.

Reach out (:rolleyes:) to your dealer.

Cheers, i will do. I have reached out to EvBox already this morning and they will remotely access the station when they can and see if they can fix it. They havent said it was the car at all so maybe they know about it, similar to Zappi.

Ill probably drop into the dealers shortly anyway and see if there is an update available too. No harm in keeping up to date.

postsnthing · 14-10-2019 3:11pm

Has anyone priced the 1st service I've been quoted €199 ! Considering it's €99 for other EVs and it's basically a kick of the tyres very surprised

Silent Running · 14-10-2019 4:07pm

postsnthing wrote: »

Has anyone priced the 1st service I've been quoted €199 ! Considering it's €99 for other EVs and it's basically a kick of the tyres very surprised

I haggled in a service pack, as I did with my last EV. Ballix would only give me 3 years though. I got 5 with the Ioniq.

JohnC. · 14-10-2019 8:24pm

Most of my ICE services cost less than €199!

zg3409 · 15-10-2019 8:54am

postsnthing wrote: »

Has anyone priced the 1st service I've been quoted €199 ! Considering it's €99 for other EVs and it's basically a kick of the tyres very surprised

Shop around. Prices vary by dealer. Ask them what is being changed. I have never heard of an EV service being that expensive. Assuming only cabin air filter is changed it should be less than 100

slave1 · 15-10-2019 10:12am

Leaf service for me with main dealer is €76, I change my own air filter - 3 minute job

Johnboy1951 · 15-10-2019 11:42am

slave1 wrote: »

Leaf service for me with main dealer is €76, I change my own air filter - 3 minute job

What is the price of the filter?

dbran · 15-10-2019 11:48am

JohnC. wrote: »

The paddy spec is a bit different than UK. Not that you can buy it now anyway, so it's a bit moot. Sounds like there may be a new spec for next year known in about 10 days, so it might be worth waiting to hear that.

I am being told by my dealer that the spec of the car I am getting in January is essentially the 1st edition spec. He is rather silent on whether it is a paddy "spec". I guess he may come back to me in a few days with an update.

Also I am told Kia will not register any new electric vehicles until January 2020.

Dran

Silent Running · 15-10-2019 12:01pm

dbran wrote: »

I am being told by my dealer that the spec of the car I am getting in January is essentially the 1st edition spec. He is rather silent on whether it is a paddy "spec". I guess he may come back to me in a few days with an update.

Also I am told Kia will not register any new electric vehicles until January 2020.

Dran

1st spec isn't all that bad. The lack of LED headlights does let it down a bit though. For some people, the lack of App would be a biggie, it isn't for me. I thought that the 7" screen would be an issue for me, but I'm now used to it and it's no problem.

It has the adaptive cruise, auto emergency braking, lane follow etc. The regen linked to the radar is a great feature. It has loads of poke too! All in all, not a bad package.

The newer spec will be around €2k more, but I think it's worth it for the LED headlights, app and 10.25 screen. I'm sure some won't think it is.

The thing about not registering EVs before 2020 is probably to do with the emissions payments.

preddy · 25-10-2019 6:59am

Speaking to dealer yesterday who said he is getting 1 Niro before Xmas and then has no dates yet for 2020 at least April he said. All dealers got the same notification..
Bit disappointed was looking at this or a Kona but not sure I can’t wait till mid next year now.

unkel · 25-10-2019 11:03am

Friend ordered an eNiro a few weeks ago, told delivery was in March

preddy · 25-10-2019 12:32pm

They had been promising order of 10 arriving Jan, now saying there is a 12 week delivery time once they can place the order and they are not sure when they can do that yet so no real solid dates only a guess.

championc · 26-10-2019 9:53am

Ordered mine last week. Hoping for late March and Salesman reasonably happy more on the balance of probability that there will be a batch in March, following a January batch.

There is no hints or expectation as to when the Second Edition is coming and could be right down to when the ship docks.

Mind you, dealers now have the PHEV with the 10.25" screen so you would have expected the assembly line to be using the same dashboard right across the whole Into range.

There is possibly a general consensus that if Kia formally announced the Second Edition, that sales for the First Edition would stall.

Bif · 26-10-2019 9:56am

championc wrote: »

Ordered mine last week. Hoping for late March and Salesman reasonably happy more on the balance of probability that there will be a batch in March, following a January batch.

There is no hints or expectation as to when the Second Edition is coming and could be right down to when the ship docks.

Mind you, dealers now have the PHEV with the 10.25" screen so you would have expected the assembly line to be using the same dashboard right across the whole Into range.

There is possibly a general consensus that if Kia formally announced the Second Edition, that sales for the First Edition would stall.

Did you trade in or buy straight?

championc · 26-10-2019 3:17pm

Bif wrote: »

Did you trade in or buy straight?

What would it matter which ?

Bif · 26-10-2019 6:06pm

championc wrote: »

What would it matter which ?

I was just wondering how much it might cost to buy straight compared to list price etc. but no issue if you don't want to share. Best of luck with the Niro.

championc · 26-10-2019 6:31pm

Bif wrote: »

I was just wondering how much it might cost to buy straight compared to list price etc. but no issue if you don't want to share. Best of luck with the Niro.

There doesn't appear to be any wiggle room on the price, especially given the waiting list. Spare a thought for those in the UK who appear to have a 12 month waiting list.

The haggleable items appear to be with extras like the service pack.

I might use a trade-in just to get rid of my old 2004 car, if there's no interest or value at the time.

Baoithin66 · 28-10-2019 9:51am

Thinking of switching from a honda hrv diesel to Niro which seems close enough sizewise.
Driving about 90kms a day Mon to Friday.Spend about £70 a fortnight on diesel.
Getting average 5.5l/100kms -as low as 5l if I am driving at a reasonable speed with no short trips.

Some q's;
Would my mileage be suitable for Ev?
What are the main differences between niro phev and ev?
Would the cost to upgrade be offset by running cost?

KCross · 28-10-2019 10:26am

Baoithin66 wrote: »

Thinking of switching from a honda hrv diesel to Niro which seems close enough sizewise.
Driving about 90kms a day Mon to Friday.Spend about £70 a fortnight on diesel.
Getting average 5.5l/100kms -as low as 5l if I am driving at a reasonable speed with no short trips.

Some q's;
Would my mileage be suitable for Ev?
What are the main differences between niro phev and ev?
Would the cost to upgrade be offset by running cost?

I'll give you some figures but just to clarify, did you mean €70 or £70?

And secondly, are you buying a new car either way or are you looking to buy a new Niro because you want to save money and the purchase cost has to pay for itself in fuel savings?

Baoithin66 · 28-10-2019 10:32am

70 euro. Looking to buy to save money and hoping purchase cost would be offset by fuel savings. I also think diesels are going to depreciate more rapidly over the next few years.

Mickeroo · 28-10-2019 10:36am

Baoithin66 wrote: »

70 euro. Looking to buy to save money and hoping purchase cost would be offset by fuel savings. I also think diesels are going to depreciate more rapidly over the next few years.

What would you be spending if you don't go for an EV?

By the way your mileage would be easily covered by cheaper EVs than the e-Niro such as the Leaf or Ioniq.

KCross · 28-10-2019 10:43am

Baoithin66 wrote: »

70 euro. Looking to buy to save money and hoping purchase cost would be offset by fuel savings. I also think diesels are going to depreciate more rapidly over the next few years.

90km 5 days a week for, say, 48 weeks a year —> 21,600km commuting.

Presumably you do another few thousand at weekends so lets round it off at 25,000km per year.

Averaging 5.5l/100km and diesel averaged €1.34/l in Sep so your fuel cost is ~€1850/yr which is €70 per fortnight which matches what you said!

To do the same mileage in a BEV using home charging @ 8c/kWh and 14kWh/100km (because you seem to have a light foot) would be ~€280/yr

Thats an annual fuel saving of €1570
Add on cheaper tax and cheaper tolls (if you use those).

Whether that €1570 pays for itself is down to what you plan to buy if you DONT buy a Niro. If for instance you were planning to spend €35k on a Sportage or something then yes it would pay for itself as the Niro is €38k so the extra €3k would be paid for in 2 years.

So it's entirely up to you whether its worth it or not.

The difference between a Niro EV and a Niro PHEV is that the PHEV will only do 40-50km before the battery is dead and it starts burning petrol. So you will be doing about half your commute on EV and the other half on petrol. The savings will then obviously be much less. Only buy a PHEV if you regularly stay within its range (<50km for the Niro).

The Niro EV will do 400km+ on battery. No petrol engine inside.

Baoithin66 · 28-10-2019 11:39am

Thanks for reply. Ill definitely check them out.

charlieIRL · 28-10-2019 12:46pm

From what I read here, getting one is going to be the problem, not many about.

Kia Niro EV

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