Kia Niro EV

cros13

So... it begins. The crossover EV invasion. This is the Kia Niro EV Concept shown at CES tonight, previewing the production Kia Niro EV launching in Q3/Q4.
Arriving in Ireland for the 191 Reg.

380+km EPA (i.e. real world) range (rumors suggest two battery options (40kWh and 64kWh) and this is likely EPA range of the larger)
150kW motor (FWD)
100kW CCS rapid charging (Korea's Agency for Technology and Standards announced on Dec 21st they will officially adopt CCS as their rapid charging standard)

thierry14

Nice motor

I like that it has 200bhp

The rumours of Hyundai using the Chevy Bolt LG drivetrain and battery pack might be true then

Its just a pity it will probably be low volume

0-60 6 secs, 400km range is perfect

Hyundai warranty is the job too, usually 5 year unlimited mileage

grogi

thierry14 wrote: »

Hyundai warranty is the job too, usually 5 year unlimited mileage

But it isn't Hyundai. I know they are sister companies, but Kia warranty despite 7 years long, is worse than Hyundai.

thierry14

grogi wrote: »

But it isn't Hyundai. I know they are sister companies, but Kia warranty despite 7 years long, is worse than Hyundai.

Oh yeah always mix up the 2

7 year, 150k km is good too

Even better for me as I do under 20k km per year

Would get the full 7 years

Tesla only give 4 year/ 80k km and Nissan a pathetic 3 year/ 100k km

Shefwedfan

Looks nice but I would go for the Hyundai version, I always found the Hyundai had a better build quality if you compared to the Kia......

Shefwedfan

I guess this is the Kia version of the KONA? Will Kona be released before>

cros13

Shefwedfan wrote:

I guess this is the Kia version of the KONA? Will Kona be released before>

Not quite, the Kia version of the Kona is the Stonic. EV version of that on the way too.

Shefwedfan

cros13 wrote: »

Shefwedfan wrote:

I guess this is the Kia version of the KONA? Will Kona be released before>

Not quite, the Kia version of the Kona is the Stonic. EV version of that on the way too.

Ok so the Niro will be a bit bigger to the Sonic?

cros13

Shefwedfan wrote:

Ok so the Niro will be a bit bigger to the Sonic?

Yes

liamog

I believe the Niro is based on the Ioniq platform.

Shefwedfan

The Niro might be worth a look at if bigger than Kona.....

KCross

My understanding is that the Hyundai Kona and Ioniq have the same drivetrain and share a platform with the Kia Stonic

Not sure what drivetrain the Niro uses.

cros13

KCross wrote: »

My understanding is that the Hyundai Kona and Ioniq have the same drivetrain and share a platform with the Kia Stonic

Not sure what drivetrain the Niro uses.

The Niro platform is the same as the Ioniq platform.
The Kona & Stonic use a shortened version of that platform.

Dont be at yourself

I know it’s only a concept, but looks so much better than the Kona. Performance and range look great too. Can see myself going for this when my financing is up on my Ioniq in 2019.

Are Hyundai likely to release an equivalent? That’d be an EV Tucson I assume?

dee75

Great looking vehicle. I'd definitely take a look at that in 2019.

I have Kia Sportage from new since 2011 ad found their 7 year warranty very good. Have found my car to be very comfortable and reliable.

Any idea what price range it's likely to be in?

Shefwedfan

Will be interesting to see what Kia plan is with the Sportage, going forward will the Sportage just be the diesel version and die along with diesel? The Sportage is a little bigger than the Niro so will they kept both lines?

The Sportage and Tucson are the same SUV so would be interesting if Hyundai just released a Tucson EV, it would clean up....

Still can’t understand why Nissan have never bothered after all these years to not release a Qashqai EV

cros13

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

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Are Hyundai likely to release an equivalent? That’d be an EV Tucson I assume?

Don't know, Hyundai don't have a direct equivalent.
Some rumors of a proper EV Tucson on the way.

dee75 wrote: »

Any idea what price range it's likely to be in?

In the €30-35k range.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Will be interesting to see what Kia plan is with the Sportage, going forward will the Sportage just be the diesel version and die along with diesel? The Sportage is a little bigger than the Niro so will they kept both lines?

Kia has committed to launching five BEVs in the next 7 years.

1. Is the Stonic EV
2. Is the Niro EV
3. Is presumed to be the 2nd generation Soul EV
4. Is rumored to be an EV Picanto
5. Is an open question, with some rumors of larger SUVs and rumors about an EV version of the Kia Stinger

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Still can’t understand why Nissan have never bothered after all these years to not release a Qashqai EV

Supposedly one on the way based on the B0+ based platform of the new Leaf. Will be slightly larger in all dimensions than the current Qashqai and sold as an EV-only new model.

cros13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb_yR-AP7aI

Effects

Is it actually going to look like that? Aren't they launching the Nero plug in hybrid in the next couple of weeks? It looks a lot more 'normal' than this, which I'd prefer.

Shefwedfan

Effects wrote: »

Is it actually going to look like that? Aren't they launching the Nero plug in hybrid in the next couple of weeks? It looks a lot more 'normal' than this, which I'd prefer.

Thats the concept, that will never make it to market

Concept=different wheels and plastic eyebrows on headlights. It looks like a production vehicle to me.

thierry14

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Thats the concept, that will never make it to market

Nah that's pretty real as said above, will make it to market

VW ID

They are concepts that will never make it to market, stupid looking things

Shefwedfan

thierry14 wrote: »

Nah that's pretty real as said above, will make it to market

VW ID

They are concepts that will never make it to market, stupid looking things

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb_yR-AP7aI

You are very wise young padawan......:D

Kia themselves are not even 100% sure if the guy can sit into the concept

As per the interview, he didn't seem very certain about anything making it into production......

Pointless comments about VW.....really you should test drive one:P

P.S I do admit I watched that video before I posted first time, a little bit of research always helps before posting

OK, the interior will be changed from white to black too. An probably that steering wheel.

;-)

KCross

Effects wrote: »

Is it actually going to look like that? Aren't they launching the Nero plug in hybrid in the next couple of weeks? It looks a lot more 'normal' than this, which I'd prefer.

The Niro PHEV is available in the UK since Sept 2017, I think. Its the same as the existing Niro... with a plug obviously.

This new Niro EV concept seems to be a very different looking car. I'd be surprised if we see it for 191.

Effects

samih wrote: »

Concept=different wheels and plastic eyebrows on headlights. It looks like a production vehicle to me.

Yeah, when I look closer it does seem like stuff just tacked on to make it look futuristic.

I had the plug in hybrid version for a few days this week. Quite liked it but then it's the first electric/hybrid I've driven.

I signed up to GoCar just to try the BMW i3 but haven't got around to it yet.

cros13

The Niro shares it's platform with the Ioniq. An EV version has been on the drawing board since day 1.

Barring the interior, matte paint and fancy LED display on the front bumper this is basically the production car.

Shefwedfan

cros13 wrote: »

The Niro shares it's platform with the Ioniq. An EV version has been on the drawing board since day 1.

Barring the interior, matte paint and fancy LED display on the front bumper this is basically the production car.

Just go to kia.ie and look at the current Niro....you won't be far off what the electric version will look like...maybe a few small touchs but very similar, agree?

cros13

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Just go to kia.ie and look at the current Niro....you won't be far off what the electric version will look like...maybe a few small touchs but very similar, agree?

Yup, grill blanked out but yeah...

denismc

Called into a Kia dealer today and was told they will have the first EV Niro in a few months, so maybe it will be on sale by year end!!
Also the Stonic is a much smaller car than the Niro, bit of a stretch calling it a SUV tbh

cros13

denismc wrote: »

Called into a Kia dealer today and was told they will have the first EV Niro in a few months, so maybe it will be on sale by year end!!

I think whoever you talked to may be confused. The PHEV Niro will be in the Irish dealerships soon. The Niro EV won't be until the 191 reg.

DrPhilG

cros13 wrote: »

I think whoever you talked to may be confused. The PHEV Niro will be in the Irish dealerships soon. The Niro EV won't be until the 191 reg.

Dealers confused and talking complete balls about EVs? Ah come on now, that's far fetched...

ted1

Will there be a 7 seater version ?

Shefwedfan

ted1 wrote: »

Will there be a 7 seater version ?

Doubt it, the 7 seater market is not really a focus from most vendors from what I can see....

ted1

Shefwedfan wrote: »

ted1 wrote: »

Will there be a 7 seater version ?

Doubt it, the 7 seater market is not really a focus from most vendors from what I can see....

Disappointing, especially as most of them
Tend to be used fir school runs etc and the range suits them perfectly

AMKC

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Will be interesting to see what Kia plan is with the Sportage, going forward will the Sportage just be the diesel version and die along with diesel? The Sportage is a little bigger than the Niro so will they kept both lines?

The Sportage and Tucson are the same SUV so would be interesting if Hyundai just released a Tucson EV, it would clean up....

Still can’t understand why Nissan have never bothered after all these years to not release a Qashqai EV

Will be interesting to see what Kia plan is with the Sportage, going forward will the Sportage just be the diesel version and die along with diesel? The Sportage is a little bigger than the Niro so will they kept both lines?

I doubt Kia would just drop the Sportage name its in its fourth generation now and is there most popular car. Its Kia,s Golf basically. I am sure Kia have a plan maybe they will make it bigger or offer it with electric drivetrains as well.

Dglflyer

I have an Ioniq and was thinking of trading up for a longer range kona or niro . When I sell the ioniq, Would have had it for about 1.5 years. If I were to buy a new EV would I still get the government grant for it ( after having gotten it for the Ioniq )

KCross

Dglflyer wrote: »

I have an Ioniq and was thinking of trading up for a longer range kona or niro . When I sell the ioniq, Would have had it for about 1.5 years. If I were to buy a new EV would I still get the government grant for it ( after having gotten it for the Ioniq )

Yes, the grant is tied to the car not the owner, unless they changed the rules, which is unlikely.

You wouldnt get a second home charge point though.

cros13

Dglflyer wrote: »

I have an Ioniq and was thinking of trading up for a longer range kona or niro . When I sell the ioniq, Would have had it for about 1.5 years. If I were to buy a new EV would I still get the government grant for it ( after having gotten it for the Ioniq )

Yes, the grant is on the vehicle not the buyer. I've had three EVs with the SEAI grants so far and in April will be drawing down the fourth.

Dglflyer

thx all, I have driven 37k in 10 months. The Ioniq is great but given all the driving the longer rang Kona ( 64 kwh batter ~390km range) would make like a lot easier. Have saved the lions share of 4000 euro on diesel . The age of oil is over

Dglflyer

cros13 , what kind of EVs do you have if you dont mind me asking .. do you have a favourite ?

cros13

Dglflyer wrote: »

cros13 , what kind of EVs do you have if you dont mind me asking .. do you have a favourite ?

141 24 kWh Leaf SVE traded for a 161 30kWh Leaf SV
And my 151 i3 (which I have over 150,000km on)

Of course the i3 is the favorite.... but then again it cost ~2.5 times the price of the Leaf SVE once I'd optioned it up

The 30kWh Leaf was sold last month and I have a deposit down for a 40kWh Nissan eNV200, delivery in April.

The i3 is being swapped for a Model 3 as soon as my reservation number gets drawn out of the hat.

Dglflyer

Your place must be like EV Central :-) , Couldnt wait for the model 3 , Kona should be in showrooms late April/May according to Hyundai , hoping to get my hands on one by the summer . will see

cros13

Dglflyer wrote: »

Your place must be like EV Central :-) , Couldnt wait for the model 3 , Kona should be in showrooms late April/May according to Hyundai , hoping to get my hands on one by the summer . will see

Yup, ten EVs in my extended family now.

Kona should be unveiled in Geneva in March. I know Hyundai's factories have started receiving the batteries at least in small quantities, so a May arrival in Irish showrooms isn't out of the question.
In South Korea, Hyundai is already taking Kona EV orders & deposits.

The crucial matter is how many Kona EVs Hyundai Ireland asked for and what kind of allocation did they actually get.

Soarer

KCross wrote: »

Yes, the grant is tied to the car not the owner, unless they changed the rules, which is unlikely.

You wouldnt get a second home charge point though.

Would he not get the €600 chargepoint grant?

KCross

Soarer wrote: »

KCross wrote: »

Yes, the grant is tied to the car not the owner, unless they changed the rules, which is unlikely.

You wouldnt get a second home charge point though.

Would he not get the €600 chargepoint grant?

The T&C's say you can't claim for a charge point if you already got one from eCars.

cros13

KCross wrote: »

The T&C's say you can't claim for a charge point if you already got one from eCars.

There is some fine print to that. For example, I'll be claiming a chargepoint for the new eNV200 despite claiming three free ESB chargepoints.

The reason is while the new grant is limited to one per applicant, the restriction is on MPRNs (ESB meter number) on which an SEAI EV grant (the €5k) was claimed prior to 2018. I have a new MPRN.... so I can still claim the grant.

slicedpanman

Anyone know if there are specs released the for the phev version and the full EV version?

Just wondering if it is worth taking the phev one for a spin when the demo models arrive in the next couple of months... Mainly to see what the full EV will be like.

Having never bought a new car (only owned 3 cars in 22 years of driving) really would like to see and drive the car before buying but also concerned with supply issues and half expect that the only people to get an EV niro will the ones who order before the cars arrive

Shefwedfan

slicedpanman wrote: »

Anyone know if there are specs released the for the phev version and the full EV version?

Just wondering if it is worth taking the phev one for a spin when the demo models arrive in the next couple of months... Mainly to see what the full EV will be like.

Having never bought a new car (only owned 3 cars in 22 years of driving) really would like to see and drive the car before buying but also concerned with supply issues and half expect that the only people to get an EV niro will the ones who order before the cars arrive

You wont be able to order till the details come out so could test drive then

The cost of manufacture is high so I would say not a whole pile of difference in regards to interior.

Nothing better than bringing a car for a test drive, you dont have to buy it :P I do it all the time

cros13

While the interior will be almost identical, the issue will be that the PHEV won't drive like the BEV.
The PHEV has a 45kW electric motor vs 150kW for the BEV, weight distribution will also be entirely different and given it's based on the Ioniq platform we may see an entirely different rear suspension too.

Taking a look at the PHEV will certainly inform you as to the physical dimensions/storage space/seating position, test driving an Ioniq EV in sport mode would provide better insight into the powertrain (even though the Ioniq only has an 88kW motor)

Specs

| PHEV | BEV
Electric Motor Power | 45kW | 150kW
Battery Capacities | 8.9kWh | 64kWh
EV Range (EPA) | 42km | ~400km

slicedpanman

Thanks cro13... Good info as always. Visual inspection of the niro then and a test drive of the ionic required.
Always wanted a spin in the ionic anyway. Must take an inspection of the Kona while I'm in Hyundai