Why do people have children that they can't afford?

Pmacv1 · 19-11-2019 9:26pm #1

Surely parents should know if they can afford a 2nd, 3rd or 4th kid? Plus abortions are free, so there's no excuse anymore really.

Deebles McBeebles · 19-11-2019 9:31pm

Dey entitled to ih. Lave 'em be, havin' the angles, like the Lord Jesus wants.

One eyed Jack · 19-11-2019 9:34pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Surely parents should know if they can afford a 2nd, 3rd or 4th kid?

Because they want to.

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Plus abortions are free, so there's no excuse anymore really.

What has that to do with people who want to have children?

Pmacv1 · 19-11-2019 9:35pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Dey entitled to ih. Lave 'em be, havin' the angles, like the Lord Jesus wants.

I don't understand why people complain about the cost of childcare, when abortions are free.

19-11-2019 9:36pm

Another quality thread from the OP.

Pmacv1 · 19-11-2019 9:36pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Because they want to.

What has that to do with people who want to have children?

Because if you can't support children, you shouldn't have them.

blueshade · 19-11-2019 9:37pm

I was waiting for a bus a couple of weeks ago and there was a settled Traveler couple in there late 20's talking to a girl of similar age with a child of about 4 years old I'd guess. The girl with the child was living in a Family Hub and said she'd been on the homeless list for a number of years. Her family and siblings are all in the County and have accomodation so I don't know how anyone can let their daughter/sister and her little child live in a homeless hostel if they have a spare room.

The settled Traveler couple have 3 kids and were living with her parents because they'd been evicted from their rented accomodation, the conversation started because the Traveler woman, who is pregnant with her 4th child wanted a light for her ciggy from the other girl. NO Personal responsibility taken.

Ten of Swords · 19-11-2019 9:37pm

Ah, I see where we're going with this op, want me to rename the thread for you?

:rolleyes:

Richard Hillman · 19-11-2019 9:39pm

My cousin keeps on having children whenever the youngest is ready to go to school. She'll be up to 4 next year. She'll do anything to not go out and get a job. The usual scenario, school drop-out, no education, multiple father's, heavily subsidised bedroom semi-detached.

One eyed Jack · 19-11-2019 9:41pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Because if you can't support children, you shouldn't have them.

And again, that has nothing to do with your original question. You asked why people have children when they can’t afford them, and the simple answer is - because they want to.

The question has nothing to do with people who don’t want to have children.

Pmacv1 · 19-11-2019 9:42pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

My cousin keeps on having children whenever the youngest is ready to go to school. She'll be up to 4 next year. She'll do anything to not go out and get a job. The usual scenario, school drop-out, no education, multiple father's, heavily subsidised bedroom semi-detached.

My cousin's the opposite. A leafy suburb yuppie, who jogs with the pram. But she's constantly raving on about how expensive children are, and now she's up the duff again.

blueshade · 19-11-2019 9:42pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

My cousin keeps on having children whenever the youngest is ready to go to school. She'll be up to 4 next year. She'll do anything to not go out and get a job. The usual scenario, school drop-out, no education, multiple father's, heavily subsidised, bedroom semi-detached.

Yeah, the cut off is when the youngest is 8 now, I think. Someone I know just had their second kid with a different daddy, he just turned 9 this Summer. The boyfriend pretends he lives in his own 4 bedroom house which he rents out rooms in when he actually lives out of a suitcase with her. Been going on for 3 years, so he's cashing in on the rental and she's getting her benefits and her rent allowance and not doing a tap of work since she was in her 20's, despite being healthy. She's been getting away with the bogus single mammy thing for a while now.

margo321 · 19-11-2019 9:43pm

I guess along the same line of thinking people should commit suicide 8f the face financial trouble.

Pmacv1 · 19-11-2019 9:43pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

And again, that has nothing to do with your original question. You asked why people have children when they can’t afford them, and the simple answer is - because they want to.

The question has nothing to do with people who don’t want to have children.

If you have children and can't afford them, that's your problem. There's other options out there and if parents choose to ignore them for their own selfish motives, they should also have to deal with the results.

GooglePlus · 19-11-2019 9:44pm

If every unwanted child wasn't kept, this forum would be very quiet. You should thank your lucky stars.

One eyed Jack · 19-11-2019 9:48pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

If you have children and can't afford them, that's your problem. There's other options out there and if parents choose to ignore them for their own selfish motives, they should also have to deal with the results.

Yeah I’m not sure anyone gives a single fcuk for what you think they should or shouldn’t do tbh :pac:

corner of hells · 19-11-2019 9:48pm

blueshade wrote: »

I was waiting for a bus a couple of weeks ago and there was a settled Traveler couple in there late 20's talking to a girl of similar age with a child of about 4 years old I'd guess. The girl with the child was living in a Family Hub and said she'd been on the homeless list for a number of years. Her family and siblings are all in the County and have accomodation so I don't know how anyone can let their daughter/sister and her little child live in a homeless hostel if they have a spare room.

The settled Traveler couple have 3 kids and were living with her parents because they'd been evicted from their rented accomodation, the conversation started because the Traveler woman, who is pregnant with her 4th child wanted a light for her ciggy from the other girl. NO Personal responsibility taken.

Ohhh , you use public transport ?

Pmacv1 · 19-11-2019 9:50pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Yeah I’m not sure anyone gives a single fcuk for what you think they should or shouldn’t do tbh :pac:

Address the point instead of snide, ad hominum attacks.

One eyed Jack · 19-11-2019 9:53pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Address the point instead of snide, ad hominum attacks.

I did address the point, in my very first reply to your question. It was very simple.

Why do people have children they can’t afford?

Because they want to.

There’s your answer.

Pmacv1 · 19-11-2019 9:55pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I did address the point, in my very first reply to your question. It was very simple.

Why do people have children they can’t afford?

Because they want to.

There’s your answer.

And my response was that's irresponsible, stupid and cruel.

ceadaoin. · 19-11-2019 9:57pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

I don't understand why people complain about the cost of childcare, when abortions are free.

Because not everyone wants to go through having an abortion? They arent compulsory just because they are now legal

One eyed Jack · 19-11-2019 9:57pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

And my response was that's irresponsible, stupid and cruel.

Annnnnd?

Or are we working off the premise that people are supposed to care what you think?

In that case, my earlier reply stands.

Pmacv1 · 19-11-2019 9:59pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Because not everyone wants to go through having an abortion? They arent compulsory just because they are now legal

Having kids isn't compulsory either. If you can't support a child, don't have it.

19-11-2019 9:59pm

OP with disingenuous premise to indirectly attack availability of abortion in Ireland. Well, I never.

Pmacv1 · 19-11-2019 10:00pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

OP with disingenuous premise to indirectly attack availability of abortion in Ireland. Well, I never.

What are you on about lad?

Tippsman · 19-11-2019 10:01pm

I like sex and condoms are expensive, plus the extra social.

Win, win.

Pmacv1 · 19-11-2019 10:01pm

corner of hells wrote: »

Have a read of what you just posted there , Chief?

"If you get someone pregnant, you should get her to have an abortion, instead of having the child".

Ever see the movie Idiocracy?

Pmacv1 · 19-11-2019 10:02pm

corner of hells wrote: »

The girl might have an opinion herself, ya know she might like the idea of becoming a mother, yes?

Well she should see if she can afford it first.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 19-11-2019 10:03pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

And my response was that's irresponsible, stupid and cruel.

That's quite offensive.

If we had decided on our children based on our means at the time some of our children would not now exist as adults working n jobs they love as teachers, nurses, social workers etc and with kids of their own in happy relationships. We scrimped and did without for many years but they had happy childhoods and great lives. Had we analysed it just in the cold light of affordability all our lives would now be all the poorer for it.

corner of hells · 19-11-2019 10:05pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Well she should see if she can afford it first.

Like a means test ?
Can I afford new shoes ? Can I afford a holiday , can I afford a child ?

19-11-2019 10:05pm

Meredith Some Poppycock wrote: »

That's quite offensive.

If we had decided on our children based on our means at the time some of our children would not now exist as adults working n jobs they love as teachers, nurses, social workers etc and with kids of their own in happy relationships. We scrimped and did without for many years but they had happy childhoods and great lives. Had we analysed it just in the cold light of affordability all our lives would now be all the poorer for it.

Don't rise to the bait. OP isn't remotely sincere, just playing a twisted game.

RocketRaccoon · 19-11-2019 10:06pm

Because every little Trinity, Shakira, Beyonce, Brooklyn etc that pops out is more money for the mother. Why wouldn't they continually pop them out?

Pmacv1 · 19-11-2019 10:06pm

corner of hells wrote: »

Like a means test ?
Can I afford new shoes ? Can I afford a holiday , can I afford a child ?

No, be an adult. I'd love to go to Vegas. However, financially it would be stupid. You should be able to apply the same logic to having children.

joe swanson · 19-11-2019 10:07pm

You need a license to have a dog. It should be the same for each child taking into account fitness to look after it etc. eg some scammer with 200 convictions on the gear with no job shouldn’t be allowed

19-11-2019 10:08pm

i know right we should lock them up in debtors prisons

and the kids too

Pmacv1 · 19-11-2019 10:13pm

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Because every little Trinity, Shakira, Beyonce, Brooklyn etc that pops out is more money for the mother. Why wouldn't they continually pop them out?

Anto begot Deco and Deco begot Eminem.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 19-11-2019 10:14pm

I'm sure you could go to Vegas if you really tried and maybe even enjoy the experience after making the sacrifices to get you there.

banie01 · 19-11-2019 10:15pm

Because there isn't a 28day change of mind policy or retailer goodwill.
They are an absolute bastárd to return even with the receipt, I mean birth cert...

Pmacv1 · 19-11-2019 10:16pm

Meredith Some Poppycock wrote: »

I'm sure you could go to Vegas if you really tried and maybe even enjoy the experience after making the sacrifices to get you there.

Agreed. The point is that I won't go willy nilly until it's viable. I apply the same process to children.

Herb Powell · 19-11-2019 10:16pm

For the craic

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 19-11-2019 10:20pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Agreed. The point is that I won't go willy nilly until it's viable. I apply the same process to children.

Then you have a long hard road ahead of you in this life - if that's indicative of your attitude in the real world (which I sincerely doubt).

But, we're outwardly suitably outraged and shocked.

Will that suffice, even if we're actually sorry for you?

minikin · 19-11-2019 10:21pm

OP, why did you create this thread?
It’s not wanted, is of no value to society and should be aborted.

corks finest · 19-11-2019 10:21pm

TBH I did nearly 40 year's ago and just didn't think ,and it was an awfullllll struggle all throughout ( up to today sent up a few hundred to my eldest in Derry)
Love doesent put food on the table,I've a 16 yr old since he was 2 and a half ,5 days@,week and can give him a good life, really couldn't with my older kids,I'd always 2 Jobs + my ex also worked,but it was bloody hard, wouldn't advise it,I'd 6 kids by 25- madness,yes times were different,big families etc etc blah blah blah- utter stupidity

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 19-11-2019 10:21pm

minikin wrote: »

OP, why did you create this thread?
It’s not wanted, is of no value to society and should be aborted.

It was all he could afford to do tonight.

Always Tired · 19-11-2019 10:22pm

I'm more concerned about people who start threads that no one wants to read or that have already been done a thousand times. Between this bloke and mr fegelien it's just a wasteland of useless threads.

We need a system to tackle this.

Ronaldinho · 19-11-2019 10:24pm

Always Tired wrote: »

I'm more concerned about people who start threads that no one wants to read or that have already been done a thousand times. Between this bloke and mr fegelien it's just a wasteland of useless threads.

We need a system to tackle this.

I wish there was away to ignore all posts and threads from people that registered 3 months ago or less. Would cut out so much crap.

corner of hells · 19-11-2019 10:24pm

Always Tired wrote: »

I'm more concerned about people who start threads that no one wants to read or that have already been done a thousand times. Between this bloke and mr fegelien it's just a wasteland of useless threads.

We need a system to tackle this.

Aren't the OP and MR Fegelien the same person ?

wiggle16 · 19-11-2019 10:27pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

What are you on about lad?

As if!

What are you lad about, on??

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 19-11-2019 10:30pm

wiggle16 wrote: »

As if!

What are you lad about, on??

I'm glad you asked. Is there a lad about at all?

Padre_Pio · 19-11-2019 10:30pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Ever see the movie Idiocracy?

You're aware it's not a documentary yeah?

People can afford kids. Just depends how you define afford.

It's cheap to feed and clothe a child and send them to school.

When you factor in Montessori and college and gaelteacht and trips abroad while maintaining the standard of living you had as a single person, while also probably recently got married and bought a house, yeah I can see why it may be expensive.

Priorities like.

wiggle16 · 19-11-2019 10:32pm

bluewolf wrote: »

i know right we should lock them up in debtors prisons

and the kids too

Ah now, you'd have to rehome all the free buggies, remember?

Why do people have children that they can't afford?

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