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Supernatural - Season 9 *Spoilers*

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    9.12
    Definitely pretty straightforward, nuts and bolts stuff. The reverend's life philosophy was there to mirror Dean, really. Another one of those endings...


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ill keep this short as I'm typing this on my phone. Had a but of a double bill this week as I really hate the week long wait so put off episode 11 till last night.

    Episode 11, First Born was absolutly fantastic, a brilliantly told story with some great action and it managed to once again conpletely rewrite the mythology and make it even more interesting. There's a real sense that we, and the gang are still only clutching at straws and that there's far more going in that we will ever know.

    Seperating Sam and Dean, and keeping them apart paid off really well. Sam and Cas had a nice little story that felt like the writers just kicking back and allowing them to breath. Cas and his revelation about food was a nice way of further humanising him and it's the kind of fun throw away line that is indicative of a far more serious and lasting change on Cas. Much like Crowley, Cas feeling a sense of humanity allows for a far more interesting and diverse character.

    The moment after Cas had removed the Grace from Sam and cured him was pivotal in the overall story. As they embraced I expected Sam to grab the syringe and plunge it into Cas and steal his grace. It would make no sense but Sam has became so devious and morally repugnant in recent months that we expect the worst. The writing for Sam is amingst the best on TV and they've taken a character who was 2 dimensional and created the most believable and humsn character on TV.

    Cain was Supernatural at it's best. A terribly flawed character whom attempting to be good ended up far worse. Timothy Omundson was terrific and the image of the God of all evil keeping bees was quite beautiful. There was a world weariness to Cain that was perfect and the simmering rage beneath was played perfectly. The writers changing up the tale of Cain and Abel had just the right pulpy feel and perfectly reflected the journey and relationship of the Winchester brothers. Maybe it's just me but it felt like further foreshadowing that when this is all over brother will have turned upon brother one final time from which there is no coming back.

    Crowley and Dean was a nice change up and their banter is like that of an old married couple. It's nice to see the show acknowledge that Crowley is a friend and ally to the boys. I assume being the King of Hell is a lonely and boring job considering how much time Crowley spends running errands for our heroes.

    There's so much going on in Supernatural right now that you would have enough material for 3 or 4 series. We have the war in hell, the search for Cain's dagger, Cas and Sam's mentoring of each other, Dean and Crowley's intrepid detective agency and just about the half of it. Things are going to get a hell of a lot more interesting.


    Episode 12, Sharp Teeth was a nice change of pace from recent episodes. By allowing some breathing room away from the ongoing story the show once again got to explore the grey lines that exist between good and evil.

    The show has never really allowed its monsters much humanity and are treated like rabid animals. There's been a number of episodes and characters who have challenged that but over all it's been a case of, if it ain't fully human kill it.

    I've always liked Garth and his disappearance has troubled me so its nice to see the blanks filled in, even if he is a werewol, excuse me a lycanthrope. The family of wolves is a great concept and reminded me a lot of the vampire pack who Inly killed animals from way back when. The two episodes actually work as a nice contrast and demonstrate just how far Dean has come. Back then Dean would have killed everyone and asked questions later but thanks to the great development of his character he's more restrained and human. The early series always played Dean like some unstoppable killing machine but thanks to Benny, (who needs to be brought back) he know realised that his Dad was wrong. There are more shades than black and white.

    The werewolf Armageddon felt a little underdone. It all seemed to come out of nowhere and just felt like the writers felt it necessary to have a villain. Had they restrained themselves a little and instead had the characters debate the issue then it could have been far more effective. The whole being tied up thing felt like it was taken from an episode of wacky racers, though I'd like to think that the writers were poking fun at the early episides where it was a regular occurance.

    The final scene with Garth was interesting and opens up a whole new level of possibilities. A werewolf hunter is a nice idea and I have a feelung that its something we may see in the spinoff.

    Sam and Deans' final scene was superb. Sam pointing out that they no longer see one another in the same way vocalised what viewers are feeling. Dean has used the family card so often that I assume he's in group with Walter White. It's clear that Sam no longer sees Dean as family but in a colder, more clinical manner. They're like work colleagues thrown together and just have to get on with it.

    What Sharp Teeth proves is that even where the writers to wrap up the ongoing story, that there is still a lot to be done with the initial concept. The monster of the week episodes still feel fresh and interesting and if they can continue to offer up imagery as creepy as a family of werewolves praying together with Garth in a sweater vest then ill happily be still tuning in 10 years from now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,534 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Ill keep this short ...

    :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,494 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Source TV Line


    Supernatural spin-off will be called Supernatural: Tribes. The offshoot, which will air as a regular episode of Supernatural this spring, will explore the clashing hunter and monster cultures of Chicago.


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just go add, Crowley and the bee is the stuff the dreams are made of. A perfectly pitched gag that managed to raise a bigger laugh than any sitcom has in years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,534 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    100% agree with that. Best laugh I've had this year. Pure genius.


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mr E wrote: »
    100% agree with that. Best laugh I've had this year. Pure genius.

    The writers know how to take a banal moment and make it playful and funny as hell. The writers never get the appreciation they deserve.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    Just go add, Crowley and the bee is the stuff the dreams are made of. A perfectly pitched gag that managed to raise a bigger laugh than any sitcom has in years.
    Mr E wrote: »
    100% agree with that. Best laugh I've had this year. Pure genius.
    The writers know how to take a banal moment and make it playful and funny as hell. The writers never get the appreciation they deserve.

    That was brilliant - a really nice touch. Such a small gag, yet got such a huge laugh from me...

    Supernatural do comedy so very very well... And often it can come down to just a look or movement from one of the characters...

    My own personal favourite comedy moments...









  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,881 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    A fish taco :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,335 ✭✭✭Heckler


    run of the mill monster of the week episode but with some good comedy moments. Fish taco indeed. Still a great show. Always miss the episodes without Castiel.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    9.13

    Despite AV Club's C rating, I mostly enjoyed this. Sure, it was a conveyor belt episode that ran out of steam once they found out what was going on, but the first half was fun, including the Fargo inflected sheriff.

    The boys are still having issues, then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,534 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    The Minnesota accent irritates me, to be honest. It's not funny.
    Not a bad episode though - a poor supernatural episode is usually more entertaining than a lot of the stuff I watch. :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,068 ✭✭✭LoonyLovegood


    Yeah, the accents annoyed me so much. I thought the Sherriff sounded like Sarah Palin. Good episode overall, I'm enjoying the current run of monster of the week stuff.


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    9.13

    Despite AV Club's C rating, I mostly enjoyed this. Sure, it was a conveyor belt episode that ran out of steam once they found out what was going on, but the first half was fun, including the Fargo inflected sheriff.

    The boys are still having issues, then.

    I stopped reading the AV Club's TV reviews years ago. They were far too critical of the smallest things and it seemed as if the writers felt that every show they reviewed should hire them on to fix it. I think the last time I looked at reviews there was when Hostages was airing and they slated every episode and came across as condescending dicks.


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Another damn good episode with just the right amount of wit to paper over the cracks in the wafer thin plot. These last few weeks have been a nice break from the ongoing story and while this week was very much Supernatural at its most generic, it's still nice that the writers feel comfortable being able to just kick back and have some fun.

    The story was pretty much an excuse for a few well played gags. The entire opening aeemed to be there simply so Dean could make another joke about salad. Similarly the sheriff was little more than an opportunity for the writers to give a nod to Fargo. Not that I'm complaining given how much fun it was. Once they got to the spa the show just ride along on the charms of its cast and a nice little monster. Cory Seiver was great as the husband, he managed to be both chaing and utterly creepy which perfectly suited the character. The parasite monster and the inevitable reveal that she was good all along felt contrived. It's almost as if the writers feel the need to portray the baddies in a positive light of late. It's an interesting and fun spin in what drives the show but Dean's desperation to kill her, even after its been repeatedly Claire's that she's good felt at odds with the themes of recent episodes and the emotional turmoil he's gone trough. Honestly, you could easily believe that this episode was from series 3 or 4 given how Dean acted.

    The final scene is where the episode really came into its own. The confrontation between Sam and Dean has been simmering for a long time and its great to see it finally come out. It's obvious that Sam sees Dean as nothing more than some guy. Their relationship is nothing more than reluctant coworkers forced to work together due to done sense of honour. That Sam would allow Dean to dues says it all and while I can understand why, it takes a certain coldness and hatred to say something so cold. Going to be interesting to see how this all works out and I can see the proposed spin off featuring one of the brothers more so than both of them together.

    With the spin off I'd love to see episodes where Sam and Dean pop up one week while in Supernatural that week we get a Cas or Crowley episode. Think it could really allow the writers to explore the worlds of the angels and demons and full in many of the questions we have.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    While no surprise, it's still good news. Hoping we continue with having more Cas and Crowley in Season 10.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,881 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Lets just hope it gets a one extra episode so it passes Smallville in the record books.

    It has been getting a 23 episode run for the last 3 seasons. It needs 24 to beat Smallville record's of 218.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,068 ✭✭✭LoonyLovegood


    #TenSeasonsAndAMovie, anyone?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,763 ✭✭✭✭Crann na Beatha


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,494 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Source TV Line


    Supernatural spin-off will be called Supernatural: Tribes. The offshoot, which will air as a regular episode of Supernatural this spring, will explore the clashing hunter and monster cultures of Chicago.



    http://tvline.com/2014/02/20/supernatural-tribes-cast-spin-off-nathaniel-buzolic-lucien-laviscount/


    Good choice in Nathaniel


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I really want there to be substance to this spinoff and not see it turn into another show about pretty boys doing little other than look good. Hopefully the main cast will be rounded out by a few more nature faces, there's a number of hunters that we've seen in the show who would be ideal for what the show promises and if the comic is anything to go by, the leader of the hunters should be seasoned.

    Really would like to see them use the third trade as inspiration, that or at the very least work John into the backstory. It would be nice to see them work Bobby into a few episodes, honestly I'd happily see a show that just followed Bobby around while doing his weekly shop and hat hunting. Watching Harper's Island as I type and honestly, Jim Beaver is the sole aspect of the show keeping me interested. Bobby was the heart and soul of Supernatural, his coma episode is one of TV's finest 42 minutes and it managed to take a great show and invest it with more heart and soul than I ever thought possible.


    Also, the more I read about the spin off the more it sounds like an adaptation of the most recent Dylan Dog film.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »

    Sounds like a great plot for the series and glad to see it's not just a carbon copy of the original series.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    There's a great Supernatural t-shirt available on qwertee today and tomorrow. Order before it's too late.

    http://www.qwertee.com/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    9x14

    Yay Ghost Kevin! Always good to see one of the formerly deceased appear in some shape or form and was good to get closure re: his mother.

    But clearly the highlight of the episode is Castiel's Army!!! I wonder how many followers he'll gain in the coming weeks.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,305 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Prodston


    Another good episode, and probably not the last we'll see of Kevin either. I hope not anyway.

    But yeah it's interesting to see where Cas goes from here. Also I wonder what Crowley's up to?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,068 ✭✭✭LoonyLovegood


    I didn't actually enjoy it too much, I'm afraid. It felt like they were grasping at straws for a way to reintroduce Kevin's mom.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭gazzer


    9.13

    Despite AV Club's C rating, I mostly enjoyed this. Sure, it was a conveyor belt episode that ran out of steam once they found out what was going on, but the first half was fun, including the Fargo inflected sheriff.

    The boys are still having issues, then.

    I love how even though Sam and Dean live on the road or the most part, never seem to sleep, drink loads and eat crap that they could still be considered as personal trainers :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,881 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Next weeks episode
    The Ghostfacers return :D


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    9.14

    Preferred Castiel's storyline, but Kevin's mother's got field skills.


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  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Went and read done of the AVclub reviews of this past series and found the quality to be very poor. They seem to have it out for the show simply because the writers aren't taking their suggestions and running with them. They have done valid criticism but more often than not it's just them not picking and thinking they know best.


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As I understand it, this weeks episode was aired out of order. The Ghostfacers and the Snooki monster from South Park was scheduled for this week. Hopefully it won't lead to any issues and I feel that this week may have suffered somewhat due to lack of context so to speak.

    Kevin's speech at the end seems to speak of a widening gap between the brothers so there may be more pouting to come. Certainly glad that the writers didn't just neatly wrap it up and return to normal. The divide between Sam and Dean is one that the show needs to explore and I'm enjoying the way that Sam can so easily hate his brother.


    The brothers story was a nice standalone bit of narrative that while we've seen a dozen times before didn't bore. Crowley's intern was fun though you have to wonder why the king if hell is hiding people in storage. Surely he has access to a prison, or you know hell itself. I suppose it is quite a nice way to show how mundane working as a demon can be, it's pretty much a dead end, go nowhere job that can last for eternity.


    Cas's story was somewhat more interesting but the end reveal of his army was a little bland. Metatron's plan are mysterious and creating some genuine tension while Cas seems set on repeating the mistakes of the past. The writers have tried to address the changes in him yet they seem reliant on the same few ideas. An all out war between angels could be truly epic but I'd like to see the show address the motivations behind it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,284 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    2 questions I had about this episode: The demon said he hadn't killed the prisoners yet who killed Candy? And if there were originally 3 prisoners, did the Winchesters let the other one go as well?

    Found it strange that Dean was trying to defend Crowley even though the last time they worked together, he manipualted him


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,305 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Prodston


    I'm not quite sure how I felt about that episode, it tried to be a lot of things at the same time. I don't think I was ever really taken with the ghostfacers originally but I found the early parts of the episode funny enough, maybe from nostalgia but as well just down to Dean's complete disdain for them :pac:

    It got dark, like actually heavy dark when it turned out there was no monster and it was a serial killer. Which was fine, Supernatural has dealt with humans on a few occasions but the fact that the whole break up of the wolf pack was so obviously mimicking Sam and Dean made me feel a little awkward as a viewer that it was being spelled out word for word that Sam and Dean aren't great buddies right now. In saying that the scene where they were reminiscing about childhood and briefly forgetting their tiff was good.

    A solid episode and was a nice bit of nostalgia with the ghostfacers. I was seriously hoping at the start of the episode that it was a monster that killed people who took selfies :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,305 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Prodston


    Just seen it's not on again next week, the trailer says March 18th :( Why not just wait an extra week to bring it back!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    Just seen it's not on again next week, the trailer says March 18th :( Why not just wait an extra week to bring it back!

    American show dates really get on my wick.

    Since Christmas:

    CSI - Arseways
    Criminal Minds - Arseways
    Supernatural - Arseways
    The Walking Dead - Arseways
    Fecking everything - Arseways.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,763 ✭✭✭✭Crann na Beatha


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Eamo71


    I'm fond of Supernatural so I will watch the new season when it starts but I think it should've ended in the series defining and epic fifth season. Kripke told the story he wanted to tell over five seasons and the finale was great. It hasn't been as good since albeit there have been outstanding episodes since. I'm also weary of 20+ episode per season drama. 12-15 episodes should be enough to keep the story trim and the momentum in top gear.
    Also Jared Padelecki's mugging last season really started to grate.
    Still, Sam, Dean and Cass is a winning combo despite the diminishing returns on this series.


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Another really great episode though I'm curious as to what's happened the Snookie episode. I'm assuming that last weeks Ghostfacers episode was aired as a tribute to Harold Ramis for whom Harry is named.

    It's been awhile since the show went meta and while this one wasn't the best they've done it was still a damn fine 42 minutes. The Thinman was a great villain, though it appears that the costume department reused the priest costumes from Rob Zombie's The Lords of Salen. The way the show incorporates real world mythology is impressive but more so was the manner in which they didn't go overboard with it. By allowing the Ghostfacers to be front and centre the writers were able to explore the relationship between Sam and Dean without having another Winchester heart to heart. It was an interesting move and the final scene where one is left alone was a nice bit of foreshadowing.

    I really liked that the villains were just two guys. There was a nice live action Scooby Doo feel to the episode making for a nice change of pace, especially considering that **** is about to get all kinds of real in the coming weeks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,534 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Damn, you got my hopes up that there was a new episode last night. Git. :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    Not Moose

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Just a heads up for anyone following the UK pace,Sky have dropped it & won't be showing any future series.

    http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/s6/supernatural/news/a558793/supernatural-cougar-town-dropped-by-sky-living.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,881 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Next weeks trailer. 9x17



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    9.16 - Good episode. Think Sheppard deserves credit for the consistency of his performance. Magnus was entertaining.

    Misha Collins directed the next one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Eamo71


    With that announcement from Sky looks like I'll be following like the rest of you via torrent sites... or wait till the autumn when Netflix will have it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,305 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Prodston


    The bad news first: It's taking another bloody break, back on the 15th of April apparently. Is it too much to ask that they just show the episodes weekly even if it means the break over winter lasts longer. It's the random skipped weeks here and there which really break things up, unnecessarily. Grrrr :mad:

    The Good: It was a cracking episode which makes the higgledy-piggledy nature of airing the episodes even more annoying :pac: Misha Collins did a great job directing it firstly. It was nice to get more Henry Winchester and Abaddon backstory too. It's interesting to see more about the souls, and turning them into demons. There could be one hell of a battle building up.

    Things have gone quiet on the angel front but the next episode seems to feature
    Metatron so I'd imagine we'll get an update there
    . It's funny how Sam is pulling back towards Dean just as he's pulling towards Crowley and the blade. I just want the next episode to be next week if I can't have it now :(


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Yeah, I thought it was pretty spot on. Story, tone, execution. I'd like to see Misha direct again. The April 15th thing is balls.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,534 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Misha did a great job. Some very creative camera work.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,305 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Prodston


    Damn it. I forgot there was no episode this week! Spent the whole day looking forward to watching it right now too :(

    Apologies for getting people's hopes up by updating the thread :pac:

    *heads off to find some pie*


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,881 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson




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