Quinn Director abducted and assaulted

MonkieSocks · 12-11-2019 7:04pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Does anyone know if Lunney's interview can be viewed online anywhere?

Discodog · 12-11-2019 7:52pm

How difficult is it to remove posters & then use hidden cameras or surveillance to see who puts them back up ?

tipptom · 12-11-2019 10:15pm

I was told by someone in the know that the first board meeting that SQ and his son was at that was held after they were bought back in as advisors was to aggressively inform all the directors that there salary's were to high and they would have to take an immediate pay cut.

I believe that a lot of these signs displayed the individual salaries that the directors were on in a critical way to the salary that SQ was drawing previously.

12-11-2019 10:28pm

Discodog wrote: »

How difficult is it to remove posters & then use hidden cameras or surveillance to see who puts them back up ?

Or more likely they knew who was putting them up. And did nothing.

MonkieSocks · 14-11-2019 4:19am

SPOTLIGHT : Death Of A Suspect

Following the death of Cyril McGuinness,

Jim Fitzpatrick examines the criminal career of the man nicknamed Dublin Jimmy.

Plus he talks to Taoiseach Leo Varadkar about law and order in the border area.

14-11-2019 9:47am

3 people arrested this morning in Cavan as part of the investigation including a married couple. Interesting to know what piece of the jigsaw they fit into.

Beechwoodspark · 14-11-2019 9:49am

Paymaster arrested?

jamule · 14-11-2019 11:00am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Paymaster arrested?

sunday morning after mass, they love mass.

GolfNut33 · 14-11-2019 11:08am

Very significant development, they're saying.

celt262 · 14-11-2019 11:13am

GolfNut33 wrote: »

Very significant development, they're saying.

So they say.

The net is closing there will be a few lads sweating.

celt262 · 14-11-2019 2:44pm

Looks like the woman arrested is the one who purchased the mobile phones for the job.

Muahahaha · 14-11-2019 3:53pm

The paymaster has to be planking it now and hoping they dont sing like canaries during questioning. Accessory to kidnapping and torture would get you a fair stretch in the clink. He better have paid them very very well indeed.

tipptom · 14-11-2019 4:08pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

The paymaster has to be planking it now and hoping they dont sing like canaries during questioning. Accessory to kidnapping and torture would get you a fair stretch in the clink. He better have paid them very very well indeed.

Some people were saying that a lot of information may have died with McGuinness but I think they may gain a lot more information from some of his associates now he has died bearing in mind that intimidation was one of his lines of expertise.

celt262 · 14-11-2019 4:16pm

tipptom wrote: »

Some people were saying that a lot of information may have died with McGuinness but I think they may gain a lot more information from some of his associates now he has died bearing in mind that intimidation was one of his lines of expertise.

He wouldn't have told them a whole pile anyway.

FrancieBrady · 14-11-2019 4:52pm

First arrests in 8 years of this is pretty extraordinary really given that things moved very quickly once a threshold was passed. Pretty extreme threshold though.

Danzy · 14-11-2019 5:10pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

First arrests in 8 years of this is pretty extraordinary really given that things moved very quickly once a threshold was passed. Pretty extreme threshold though.

The guards could turn a blind eye to a lot of things but when it was made an international news story, past loyalties and gratitude for gratuities was no longer enough.

tipptom · 14-11-2019 5:52pm

celt262 wrote: »

He wouldn't have told them a whole pile anyway.

Doubt it, but then if he was a MI5 informant as some of the media are saying, he could have turned on them which would have thrown up a motherload of stuff.

If true there would have been a lot of people sweating in high places if he thought there was no deal to be cut.

SafeSurfer · 14-11-2019 5:57pm

Danzy wrote: »

The guards could turn a blind eye to a lot of things but when it was made an international news story, past loyalties and gratitude for gratuities was no longer enough.

A blind eye or lack of evidence. Lots of crime in border areas remains unsolved despite the dogs in the street knowing who is behind it. Are past loyalties and gratitude for gratuities providing protection for the murderers of Paul Quinn or is it lack of evidence?

FrancieBrady · 14-11-2019 6:05pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

A blind eye or lack of evidence. Lots of crime in border areas remains unsolved despite the dogs in the street knowing who is behind it. Are past loyalties and gratitude for gratuities providing protection for the murderers of Paul Quinn or is it lack of evidence?

What holds true for one case/crime does not necessarily hold true for another.

I find it extremely odd, given the level of stuff that happened here, that things proceeded very quickly once the crime gained such media notoriety. Why couldn't that level have been reached ages ago? Nothing seemed to have changed vis a vis the intelligence they had. The media named this guy 5 years ago at least.

tipptom · 14-11-2019 6:22pm

Danzy wrote: »

The guards could turn a blind eye to a lot of things but when it was made an international news story, past loyalties and gratitude for gratuities was no longer enough.

I would suspect the garda of nothing more than being criminally understaffed and under resourced in that area and the ones there had just given up because they were so demoralised and intimidated.
I don't know of many areas in Ireland that there was such a bad response from garda to one of their own being attacked and others intimidated.

The likes of Minister Darcy has a cheek to say that Garda failed the directors,he is a minister for expenditure of the day,garda say they are under resourced in the area and this is blamed on financial restraints.

So the likes of this coward(minister for expenditure) to come out and say this now when never bothered before is fairly breath-taking considering they let 45 new Garda on the area with new resources once the sh&t hit the fan and not one journalist or politician would criticize him and his previous inaction.

State is fu*ked when the press, politicians and Garda head office are just the same clique.

There should be an inquiry in to the inaction that went on here and what meetings and proposals was held by the people with responsobility and who really failed the QIH directors.

Gloomtastic! · 14-11-2019 6:28pm

tipptom wrote: »

There should be an inquiry in to the inaction that went on here and what meetings and proposals was held by the people with responsobility and who really failed the QIH directors.

There is never any accountability so a waste of time really.

splinter65 · 14-11-2019 6:52pm

Was McGuinness a married man does anyone know? I don’t see much about his personal circumstances.

high_king · 14-11-2019 8:20pm

splinter65 wrote: »

Was McGuinness a married man does anyone know? I don’t see much about his personal circumstances.

why are you after his missus ?

SafeSurfer · 14-11-2019 8:29pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What holds true for one case/crime does not necessarily hold true for another.

I find it extremely odd, given the level of stuff that happened here, that things proceeded very quickly once the crime gained such media notoriety. Why couldn't that level have been reached ages ago? Nothing seemed to have changed vis a vis the intelligence they had. The media named this guy 5 years ago at least.

The media have named the suspected murderers of Paul Quinn also.
You seem to be suggesting that the attacks on Quinn management were ignored because local Gardai were somehow compromised in their relationship with Sean Quinn.
It has been suggested that lack of progress with certain crimes perpetrated by former republicans is due to political pressure to protect the peace process.

high_king · 14-11-2019 8:32pm

tipptom wrote: »

There should be an inquiry in to the inaction that went on here and what meetings and proposals was held by the people with responsobility and who really failed the QIH directors.

lol . . another cash cow tribunal that would cost the already fleeced taxpayer hundreds of millions more, drag on for years, and enrich even further the dodgy Irish "legal" profession . .yeah that's what we need . . . :rolleyes:

tdf7187 · 14-11-2019 8:32pm

I'm not with the conspiracy theorists on this. Occam's Razor suggests Garda cutbacks more than anything more sinister. Look at all the cases of elderly farmers being victimised by gangs of hoodlums in recent years.

tdf7187 · 14-11-2019 8:33pm

high_king wrote: »

lol . . another cash cow tribunal that would cost the already fleeced taxpayer hundreds of millions more, drag on for years, and enrich even further the dodgy Irish "legal" profession . .yeah that's what we need . . . :rolleyes:

Agreed, tribunal or similar 'inquiry' is about the last thing that is needed. Enforcement of the laws that we have is needed, simple as.

high_king · 14-11-2019 8:35pm

tdf7187 wrote: »

Agreed, tribunal or similar 'inquiry' is about the last thing that is needed. Enforcement of the laws that we have is needed, simple as.

Exactly. Actual real action and accountability for once . . not more bull****ting.

political analyst · 14-11-2019 8:37pm

Why was more not done about the previous attacks on the premises and directors of Quinn Industrial Holdings before Kevin Lunney was attacked?

tdf7187 · 14-11-2019 8:40pm

political analyst wrote: »

Why was more not done about the previous attacks on the premises and directors of Quinn Industrial Holdings before Kevin Lunney was attacked?

This question keeps coming up. Garda understaffing combined with these gangs intimidating the local guards if you're a non-conspiracy theorist, some grand conspiracy theory involving M15 if you are.

high_king · 14-11-2019 8:42pm

political analyst wrote: »

Why was more not done about the previous attacks on the premises and directors of Quinn Industrial Holdings before Kevin Lunney was attacked?

Large swathes of criminality in Ireland are in reality a no go area for Gardai.

The only thing they can still do is chase working people for petty issues like motor tax and speeding fines now and then. They are reduced to nothing more than glorified traffic wardens now. The criminals run the show.

political analyst · 14-11-2019 8:42pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The media have named the suspected murderers of Paul Quinn also.
You seem to be suggesting that the attacks on Quinn management were ignored because local Gardai were somehow compromised in their relationship with Sean Quinn.
It has been suggested that lack of progress with certain crimes perpetrated by former republicans is due to political pressure to protect the peace process.

The phrase 'former republicans' indicates that Sinn Féin has nothing to do with these criminals. That means that protecting the peace process would not necessitate turning a blind eye (which cannot be justified in any case!) to the crimes of these individuals. Therefore, your theory doesn't make sense!

political analyst · 14-11-2019 8:46pm

tdf7187 wrote: »

This question keeps coming up. Garda understaffing combined with these gangs intimidating the local guards if you're a non-conspiracy theorist, some grand conspiracy theory involving M15 if you are.

I suppose PSNI understaffing (caused not just by cutbacks but also the mountain of Troubles legacy cases) is also a factor - considering that QIH's HQ is located and the abduction took place in Fermanagh.

tdf7187 · 14-11-2019 8:55pm

political analyst wrote: »

I suppose PSNI understaffing (caused not just by cutbacks but also the mountain of Troubles legacy cases) is also a factor - considering that QIH's HQ is located and the abduction took place in Fermanagh.

Could well be, yes. That hadn't occured to me.

high_king · 14-11-2019 8:58pm

political analyst wrote: »

I suppose PSNI understaffing (caused not just by cutbacks but also the mountain of Troubles legacy cases) is also a factor - considering that QIH's HQ is located and the abduction took place in Fermanagh.

PSNI will never give a shyte about what happens to "catholic" areas or "catholic" businesses, not unlike the Dublin governments / Dublin civil service hatred of so called "rural" areas in Ireland, the PSNI for different reasons, are quite happy to see society break down in these areas.

tayto lover · 14-11-2019 9:08pm

high_king wrote: »

PSNI will never give a shyte about what happens to "catholic" areas or "catholic" businesses, not unlike the Dublin governments / Dublin civil service hatred of so called "rural" areas in Ireland, the PSNI for different reasons, are quite happy to see society break down in these areas.

You seem to have no time for the police on either side of the border.
Nearly all your posts are anti police.
Why is that?

high_king · 14-11-2019 9:13pm

tayto lover wrote: »

You seem to have no time for the police on either side of the border.
Nearly all your posts are anti police.
Why is that?

No, exactly the opposite. I'm anti police/civil service management, and anti the utter contempt and disdain the Dublin administration and media has for large swathes of what they like to call "rural" Ireland. The ordinary policeman / Guard can do nothing. I've quite a few family members in the Gardai, and they privately will say exactly the same thing. The criminals run large swathes of Ireland.

tayto lover · 14-11-2019 9:22pm

high_king wrote: »

No, exactly the opposite. I'm anti police/civil service management, and anti the utter contempt and disdain the Dublin administration and media has for large swathes of what they like to call "rural" Ireland. The ordinary policeman / Guard can do nothing. I've quite a few family members in the Gardai, and they privately will say exactly the same thing. The criminals run large swathes of Ireland.

Sorry. Took it the wrong way then.

AndrewJRenko · 16-11-2019 8:29pm

tipptom wrote: »

I would suspect the garda of nothing more than being criminally understaffed and under resourced in that area and the ones there had just given up because they were so demoralised and intimidated.
I don't know of many areas in Ireland that there was such a bad response from garda to one of their own being attacked and others intimidated.

The likes of Minister Darcy has a cheek to say that Garda failed the directors,he is a minister for expenditure of the day,garda say they are under resourced in the area and this is blamed on financial restraints.

So the likes of this coward(minister for expenditure) to come out and say this now when never bothered before is fairly breath-taking considering they let 45 new Garda on the area with new resources once the sh&t hit the fan and not one journalist or politician would criticize him and his previous inaction.

THere's no excuse for them leaving the visible signs of intimidation - the public signs - on display for a year without them being removed. That was a clear message to the community as to who was in charge in the area.

This would have required minimal resources.

high_king wrote: »

Large swathes of criminality in Ireland are in reality a no go area for Gardai.

The only thing they can still do is chase working people for petty issues like motor tax and speeding fines now and then. They are reduced to nothing more than glorified traffic wardens now. The criminals run the show.

Would you send traffic wardens into this situation?

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2019/1116/1091325-hutch-kinahan/

high_king · 16-11-2019 8:43pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Would you send traffic wardens into this situation?

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2019/1116/1091325-hutch-kinahan/

Might as well for all the Guards have done about it

And we're talking about Ireland , not well resourced Dublin

AndrewJRenko · 16-11-2019 8:54pm

high_king wrote: »

Might as well for all the Guards have done about it

And we're talking about Ireland , not well resourced Dublin

Tell you what, next time they need somebody to head into the house of a gangland leader who is getting his guns ready to do a hit, I'll get them to give you a call and you can do it - fair enough?

high_king · 16-11-2019 9:02pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Tell you what, next time they need somebody to head into the house of a gangland leader who is getting his guns ready to do a hit, I'll get them to give you a call and you can do it - fair enough?

Well when the guards walk in they are far from bothered.

Patrick2010 · 17-11-2019 11:42am

According to today’s Indo Quinn complained to the Vatican about the local priests homily even though the priest didn’t name him. He also complained to the guards and two guards interviewed the priest.

Danzy · 17-11-2019 11:45am

Patrick2010 wrote: »

According to today’s Indo Quinn complained to the Vatican about the local priests homily even though the priest didn’t name him. He also complained to the guards and two guards interviewed the priest.

Gubu on speed.

He has the Guards as his own service there.

irishgeo · 17-11-2019 12:26pm

The only time he doesn't show up for mass is the day the priest is going to mention the whole saga.

FrancieBrady · 17-11-2019 12:33pm

Danzy wrote: »

Gubu on speed.

He has the Guards as his own service there.

Depending on the nature/content of the complaint to Gardai they would have to act on it, in fairness.

DellyBelly · 17-11-2019 12:36pm

Danzy wrote: »

Gubu on speed.

He has the Guards as his own service there.

Reminds you of the Godfather movie and the fact that Carleone had a direct line to the Vatican.

alchemist33 · 17-11-2019 12:37pm

Patrick2010 wrote: »

According to today’s Indo Quinn complained to the Vatican about the local priests homily even though the priest didn’t name him. He also complained to the guards and two guards interviewed the priest.

A regular pleb would complain to the bishop. But not Sean, he believes he can go right to the top.

FrancieBrady · 17-11-2019 2:27pm

It's an easy accusation to make, but I did wonder at times was it possible that there was an internal struggle behind this.

One of the saboteurs responsible for the campaign of intimidation against companies once owned by the former billionaire Seán Quinn has implicated a small group of people at Quinn Industrial Holdings (QIH).

In a series of interviews with The Sunday Times, the man admitted his involvement in acts of industrial sabotage, fire-bombings, and attacks using heavy goods vehicles being crashed into commercial buildings. He claims to know nothing about the involvement of a single “paymaster” but insisted the majority of attacks were directed by a core group, some of whom work at QIH.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/quinn-staff-ring-behind-the-violence-z57c9xjlg?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0bYrdknotZ3IiYhC_eGwFVzkkvXHFti9z3dXyxDhGViA4u8mfMC3yXhAo#Echobox=1573992137

celt262 · 17-11-2019 2:42pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's an easy accusation to make, but I did wonder at times was it possible that there was an internal struggle behind this.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/quinn-staff-ring-behind-the-violence-z57c9xjlg?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0bYrdknotZ3IiYhC_eGwFVzkkvXHFti9z3dXyxDhGViA4u8mfMC3yXhAo#Echobox=1573992137

Going back a few years a friend who works there told me that a fellow worker came into work the day after one of the arson attacks with burns on his arms.

Quinn Director abducted and assaulted

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