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How to beat the All Blacks?

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  • #102
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    This AB team know we won't tire like the Saffers, and know we can't be outplayed like Australia. The longer the game goes with us in front, the more doubt will begin to creep into AB minds that the game is lost. What do they do then? Do they have a plan B? Can they find a way to win? I trust you weren't being serious, but if you genuinely think they'll need to resort to a hit job on our 10 in the closing stages, that wouldn't be filling me with confidence tbh.

    Apart from assuming that Ireland will be in front in the second half what makes you think that we are not going to tire? We looked dead on our feet in the last 20 minutes v.Japan and Russia, I've never seem them look so knackered in the closing stages of a game. That might be because of the humidity or that they're not acclimatised to it but the evidence from those two games suggests we are going to tire against the ABs too and if its even close in the last 20 we wont have the gas tank to stay with them.

    At the end of the day we havent showed anything in this world cup or in 2019 to make me think we are capable of beating the ABs. If it did happen it would be completely going against all the current trends and evidence.


  • #103
    Neil3030
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    The main source of hope I can find is that it’s a relatively inexperienced NZ team, particularly in the back three. Bridge and Reece are both newcomers, Barrett is new to the full back position. Mo’unga only has fifteen caps or something. When you compare it to the NZ ‘11 or ‘15 teams it’s a marked point of difference.

    They’re class players but there’s always the chance they get unsettled under pressure they haven’t played under before (Barrett aside and even he hasn’t experienced it at 15). A masterclass in tactical kicking might be able to force mistakes from the NZ back three, especially Reece under high balls. That combined with a huge defensive performance which keeps NZ to around fifteen points is Ireland’s only path to victory.

    It’s hard to see based on 2019 form.

    Do you bench Stockers for Conway?


  • #104
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Any drop in odds with Owens on board?

    He screwed us over twice before so maybe this time he might help us out


  • #105
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Apart from assuming that Ireland will be in front in the second half what makes you think that we are not going to tire? We looked dead on our feet in the last 20 minutes v.Japan and Russia, I've never seem them look so knackered in the closing stages of a game. That might be because of the humidity or that they're not acclimatised to it but the evidence from those two games suggests we are going to tire against the ABs too and if its even close in the last 20 we wont have the gas tank to stay with them.

    At the end of the day we havent showed anything in this world cup or in 2019 to make me think we are capable of beating the ABs. If it did happen it would be completely going against all the current trends and evidence.
    Humidity issue is gone now by all accounts. Game against Samoa was reported to have been played in what was described as normal conditions. Temperatures are lower and humidity much less, probably as a result of the typhoon. But at this stage, they'd be acclimatised anyway.


  • #106
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    can't wait for this match i really can't,

    last night for instance i had this bizzare dream about it.....

    the match had to be relocated to a public park due to a waterlogged pitch, spectators & coaching staff were all standing along the touchline watching the game, Ireland were winning right through the match but lost with the last play of the game with a dubious try that the irish players & staff disputed furiously...but the try was upheld and the match ended in a riot.............make of that what you will :cool:


  • #107
    GreeBo
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    The longer the game goes with us in front, the more doubt will begin to creep into AB minds that the game is lost. What do they do then? Do they have a plan B? Can they find a way to win?

    I don't think this is how the ABs think or operate.
    They never believe the game is lost, play to the end and have the belief and ability to score on the back of a large number of phases with the clock well into the red, not many teams can do that, its basically Man UTD circa 2000.


  • #108
    Niallof9
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    I hope we have a tailored plan. We need far more balance and creativity in our play. The wrap around (that Sexton has been doing since he broke into the St. Mary's AIL side) has to be shelved for more nuance. We take 15 phases and multiple rucks to score a try that New Zealand score in 3 or 4. Therefore the energy they will have is greater. We would never have scored Japan's first against scotland imo. I cannot remember the last time we made a break in the 22 and didn't slow to create a ruck.

    Yet I think though New Zealand allow themselves get suckered into arm wrestles against us. Can't let those paddies try to best us in the scrum or maul, even though we can run around them...lets prove the point and go through them. Schmidts tactics are ideal sometimes for that.


    There has to be something we haven't seen.


    However, are we happy though with beating New Zealand and blowing all our beans? Thats the trouble facing this team when we clearly wanted and needed South Africa.

    We played at home in the Six Nations. There is no comparison to knockout rugby imo. Shorter turn arounds in world cup. Less energy than the six nations. Lesser teams. Italy and Scotland? Are playing Wales, France and England comparable to playing New Zealand, England and say South Africa. I don't think so.

    It was very close to France winning in 2018. I won't say luck, you make your own luck our multiple phases. It took so much work to beat France that time. We then played Italy. What happens if we had played England or Wales? As Schmidt and Eddie said before, the 6 nations scheduling plays a huge part. as we saw with Chicago they couldn't back it up one big game after another.

    No way we beat New Zealand, England and Say South Africa playing the multiple phase game we employ. We create the most rucks of any tier 1 side and all record tackle stats have come from teams playing Ireland, all tight 5. It shows how much yes the opposition has to work, but so do we. Its absolutely knackering.

    take James Ryan stats. 15 carries per game, 15 tackles. Thats 90 actions in those matches.

    Thats why i am worried with facing New Zealand. its going to take France 2015 levels of grit and hurt and pain. Tears after, beans blown.


  • #109
    jammiedodgers
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Any drop in odds with Owens on board?

    He screwed us over twice before so maybe this time he might help us out

    Still 7/2 and handicap of 12. No change afaik


  • #110
    sydthebeat
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Went for a little trip down memory lane

    masochist


  • #111
    Niallof9
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    Do we bombard Seevu Reece test him in that area? has he really been put under that sort of pressure?


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  • #112
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users Posts: 6,036 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Very happy that Owens is the ref. At least he appreciates the beauty and style of the All Blacks play. He clearly sees that they are trying to play rugby the right way. And the Irish style is ugly and boring and should not be rewarded. Owens understands that ABs are vital to the success of the RWC and rugby in general and that they should be allowed to run riot because it is a beautiful thing to watch. Unlike Ireland.

    Also Owens won't tolerate that mouthy, petulant little **** Sexton and he will hopefully put him back in his box. Whereas he is a great admirer of the All Blacks support for the LGBT community, especially TJ Perenara and I expect Owens will reward them for it. Basically there is another 60 point ass-whooping coming your way Ireland.


  • #113
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Very happy that Owens is the ref. At least he appreciates the beauty and style of the All Blacks play. He clearly sees that they are trying to play rugby the right way. And the Irish style is ugly and boring and should not be rewarded. Owens understands that ABs are vital to the success of the RWC and rugby in general and that they should be allowed to run riot because it is a beautiful thing to watch. Unlike Ireland.

    Also Owens won't tolerate that mouthy, petulant little **** Sexton and he will hopefully put him back in his box. Whereas he is a great admirer of the All Blacks support for the LGBT community, especially TJ Perenara and I expect Owens will reward them for it. Basically there is another 60 point ass-whooping coming your way Ireland.

    Is there medication involved in this post or just a big set of blinkers?


  • #114
    Niallof9
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    GreeBo wrote: »
    I don't think this is how the ABs think or operate.
    They never believe the game is lost, play to the end and have the belief and ability to score on the back of a large number of phases with the clock well into the red, not many teams can do that, its basically Man UTD circa 2000.

    exactly and they have plan a,b,c,d,e,f. Most of their plans involve backing their skill levels and execution time and again. Drop a few balls? doesn't phase them. If an Irish player drops an offload it gets shut down.

    There is no other team in the World that could pull off the score like in the Aviva when we nearly drew. Doubt doesn't creep into their mentality.


  • #115
    Salary Negotiator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭Salary Negotiator


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Is there medication involved in this post or just a big set of blinkers?

    Seems quite restrained for a Kiwi.


  • #116
    irelandrover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,800 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    Niallof9 wrote: »
    exactly and they have plan a,b,c,d,e,f. Most of their plans involve backing their skill levels and execution time and again. Drop a few balls? doesn't phase them. If an Irish player drops an offload it gets shut down.

    There is no other team in the World that could pull off the score like in the Aviva when we nearly drew. Doubt doesn't creep into their mentality.


    So New Zealand have multiple plans which involve doing the same thing even if they make mistakes.

    But Ireland only have a plan A, which if it isn't working they change. If they only have a plan A, then what do they change to?


    A lot is being made of Ireland being in bad form, but the AB were hardly in sparkling form during the rugby championship either.


  • #117
    Podge_irl
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Is there medication involved in this post or just a big set of blinkers?

    Fear does weird things to a man.


  • #118
    raclle
    Registered Users Posts: 2,384 ✭✭✭raclle


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Very happy that Owens is the ref. At least he appreciates the beauty and style of the All Blacks play. He clearly sees that they are trying to play rugby the right way. And the Irish style is ugly and boring and should not be rewarded. Owens understands that ABs are vital to the success of the RWC and rugby in general and that they should be allowed to run riot because it is a beautiful thing to watch. Unlike Ireland.
    You mean to say your happy with a biased ref? bet your hoping for a similar Joubert performance where they don't get punished time and again for infringements.


  • #119
    raclle
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    irelandrover wrote: »
    A lot is being made of Ireland being in bad form, but the AB were hardly in sparkling form during the rugby championship either.
    TBH they're experimenting quite a lot which could be a good thing for us if it doesn't come together.


  • #120
    kuang1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,458 ✭✭✭kuang1


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Very happy that Owens is the ref. At least he appreciates the beauty and style of the All Blacks play. He clearly sees that they are trying to play rugby the right way. And the Irish style is ugly and boring and should not be rewarded. Owens understands that ABs are vital to the success of the RWC and rugby in general and that they should be allowed to run riot because it is a beautiful thing to watch. Unlike Ireland.

    Also Owens won't tolerate that mouthy, petulant little **** Sexton and he will hopefully put him back in his box. Whereas he is a great admirer of the All Blacks support for the LGBT community, especially TJ Perenara and I expect Owens will reward them for it. Basically there is another 60 point ass-whooping coming your way Ireland.

    I'll bet that the number of whooshes appearing in the responses to this post correlate directly to how many points we beat NZ by on Saturday.


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  • #121
    partyguinness
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    It's impossible.

    The AB will have 27 men on the pitch and they are all over 7'2 in width and height.

    WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE


  • #122
    [Deleted User]
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Very happy that Owens is the ref. At least he appreciates the beauty and style of the All Blacks play. He clearly sees that they are trying to play rugby the right way. And the Irish style is ugly and boring and should not be rewarded. Owens understands that ABs are vital to the success of the RWC and rugby in general and that they should be allowed to run riot because it is a beautiful thing to watch. Unlike Ireland.

    Also Owens won't tolerate that mouthy, petulant little **** Sexton and he will hopefully put him back in his box. Whereas he is a great admirer of the All Blacks support for the LGBT community, especially TJ Perenara and I expect Owens will reward them for it. Basically there is another 60 point ass-whooping coming your way Ireland.

    You're on a roll lately :pac:

    I spoke to a mate back in NZ last week. He said the word on the street is that we're gonna smash Ireland and then smash England. I do miss living in that little bubble.


  • #123
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Very happy that Owens is the ref. At least he appreciates the beauty and style of the All Blacks play. He clearly sees that they are trying to play rugby the right way. And the Irish style is ugly and boring and should not be rewarded. Owens understands that ABs are vital to the success of the RWC and rugby in general and that they should be allowed to run riot because it is a beautiful thing to watch. Unlike Ireland.

    Also Owens won't tolerate that mouthy, petulant little **** Sexton and he will hopefully put him back in his box. Whereas he is a great admirer of the All Blacks support for the LGBT community, especially TJ Perenara and I expect Owens will reward them for it. Basically there is another 60 point ass-whooping coming your way Ireland.


    That last line hurt regardless


  • #124
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Here is a mad idea.

    I really think the Irish team should link arms and march slowly up their faces during the Haka and basically start eyeballing them. It will put them right off their game.

    The last time NZ last at the WC was against France in 2007 and guess what the French team did beforehand? That's right.


  • #125
    [Deleted User]
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    partyguinness wrote: »
    Here is a mad idea.

    I really think the Irish team should link arms and march slowly up their faces during the Haka and basically start eyeballing them. It will put them right off their game.

    The last time NZ last at the WC was against France in 2007 and guess what the French team did beforehand? That's right.

    Unfortunately they won't allow any of those shenanigans anymore. Both teams behind the 10m line, no eyeball action.


  • #126
    joseywhales
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    I hope we don't get preoccupied with the haka nonsense, it has as much impact on the result as a bunch of cheerleaders.


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  • #127
    Podge_irl
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    Basil3 wrote: »
    Unfortunately they won't allow any of those shenanigans anymore. Both teams behind the 10m line, no eyeball action.

    They didn't allow it then either. Realistically they're not going to stop you.

    But it would all be a bit pointless I think.


  • #128
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Basil3 wrote: »
    Unfortunately they won't allow any of those shenanigans anymore. Both teams behind the 10m line, no eyeball action.




    But let that be the curve ball. Like when Leeds Utd would literally kick the opposition in the tunnel beforehand to rile up the opposition.

    Martin Johnson didn't care about protocol in 2003 when faced with Mary McAleese- that's what champions are made from. Fcuk the rule book. Push the boat out.

    These are desperate times.


  • #129
    [Deleted User]
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Very happy that Owens is the ref. At least he appreciates the beauty and style of the All Blacks play. He clearly sees that they are trying to play rugby the right way. And the Irish style is ugly and boring and should not be rewarded. Owens understands that ABs are vital to the success of the RWC and rugby in general and that they should be allowed to run riot because it is a beautiful thing to watch. Unlike Ireland.

    Also Owens won't tolerate that mouthy, petulant little **** Sexton and he will hopefully put him back in his box. Whereas he is a great admirer of the All Blacks support for the LGBT community, especially TJ Perenara and I expect Owens will reward them for it. Basically there is another 60 point ass-whooping coming your way Ireland.

    *further applause*

    That's what I like to see. Shove your chips in and enjoy the sport. I for one am nothing but a cheerleader this week. Otherwise what's the point? Anyone trying to appear wise before the event by predicting an Irish loss can get the feck out of my echo chamber.

    I salute your dark Kiwi soul. However, Ireland were always liable to make a mess of someone else's RWC '19 if they can't win it themselves and I for one am glad it's going to be yours and not Japan's.


  • #130
    Niallof9
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    irelandrover wrote: »
    So New Zealand have multiple plans which involve doing the same thing even if they make mistakes.

    But Ireland only have a plan A, which if it isn't working they change. If they only have a plan A, then what do they change to?


    A lot is being made of Ireland being in bad form, but the AB were hardly in sparkling form during the rugby championship either.

    Ireland tend to tailor their plans to the opposition. New Zealand do it in match. Very few teams can do what New Zealand do. hansen already hinted that perhaps Schmidt does too much analysis. They can play it a number of ways. I think there is no disputing it at this stage.

    Irelands current game plan will be the same they did in 2018 imo. Its the only chance right now we have of winning as much as i personally hate it. Alot of it revolves around micro details, accurate and plain old fashioned hard work with a dollop of dispassion. Sometimes we will use a play from somewhere, maybe one that hasn't been used since 2015. The Stockdale try was an otago highlanders move he saw. Accurate clearing at rucks, no offloading so rucker can know role. No transition really, running from deep, so our 15 tends to run back to opposition to set up ruck as Kearney said before. Lineout, maul a huge weapon. Pick and jams from even as deep as our ten metre line. Box kick. Relentless carries and one out runners particularly in the 22. In our own 22 we tend to run it out instead of kicking. Whn its on song on a cold november night or in a 6 nations with a booze fueled crowd behind us it works a treat.

    The All Blacks are the Dublin or Kilkenny of rugby, no matter what we do if you played them 100 times they'd win most of them. We had two great wins over them but i think in a competitive match we don't have much hope unless everything goes our way. And if it transpires as such we must rue the Japan match and not brush it under the carpet.


  • #131
    thomond2006
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    aloooof wrote: »
    We put the brick on the accelerator.

    aloooof, you forgot your brick!


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  • #132
    andymx11
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    partyguinness wrote: »
    But let that be the curve ball. Like when Leeds Utd would literally kick the opposition in the tunnel beforehand to rile up the opposition.

    Martin Johnson didn't care about protocol in 2003 when faced with Mary McAleese- that's what champions are made from. Fcuk the rule book. Push the boat out.

    These are desperate times.

    Desperate times are 10 mins to go two scores down not now or not when the Haka takes place.


  • #133
    Yeah_Right
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    ecoli3136 wrote: »
    *further applause*

    That's what I like to see. Shove your chips in and enjoy the sport. I for one am nothing but a cheerleader this week. Otherwise what's the point? Anyone trying to appear wise before the event by predicting an Irish loss can get the feck out of my echo chamber.

    I salute your dark Kiwi soul. However, Ireland were always liable to make a mess of someone else's RWC '19 if they can't win it themselves and I for one am glad it's going to be yours and not Japan's.

    After a over a decade living in Ireland and about half of it here on Boards, I've always been fascinated (and slightly bemused) by the bitterness, the parochilism and the crazy that I would see around the inter-pros. While I support Munster first, then Leinster and the other 2, I never really had a dog in the fight. I generally looked at matches fairly dispassionately and just hoped for a good game. During the match i cheered for my team then celebrated or commiserate, had a pint and moved on.

    I've decided to give the whole one-eyed, we're awesome and you're crap, bat**** crazy method a go this week. So c'mon!! Let's be having ya!!


    Edit: please excuse me if my trash talk is weak. I'm new at this. Spud-munchers.


  • #134
    aloooof
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    andymx11 wrote: »
    Desperate times are 10 mins to go two scores down not now or not when the Haka takes place.

    Like after the Henshaw try in Chicago? Actually that was 5 minutes to go to be fair... ;)


  • #135
    andymx11
    Registered Users Posts: 586 ✭✭✭andymx11


    aloooof wrote: »
    Like after the Henshaw try in Chicago? Actually that was 5 minutes to go to be fair... ;)

    Yup.. have a feeling NZ will feel that desperation all over again...


  • #136
    aloooof
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    After a over a decade living in Ireland and about half of it here on Boards, I've always been fascinated (and slightly bemused) by the bitterness, the parochilism and the crazy that I would see around the inter-pros. While I support Munster first, then Leinster and the other 2, I never really had a dog in the fight. I generally looked at matches fairly dispassionately and just hoped for a good game. During the match i cheered for my team then celebrated or commiserate, had a pint and moved on.

    I've decided to give the whole one-eyed, we're awesome and you're crap, bat**** crazy method a go this week. So c'mon!! Let's be having ya!!


    Edit: please excuse me if my trash talk is weak. I'm new at this. Spud-munchers.

    Frankly, there hasn't been anywhere near enough mentions of Umaga and Mealamu in the build up to this. It is only Tuesday I suppose!


  • #137
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users Posts: 6,036 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    aloooof wrote: »
    Frankly, there hasn't been anywhere near enough mentions of Umaga and Mealamu in the build up to this. It is only Tuesday I suppose!

    I thought it was a bit early to bring up the Breakers of BOD :D That was a fun tour.


  • #138
    sydthebeat
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    I thought it was a bit early to bring up the Breakers of BOD :D That was a fun tour.

    at this stage Umaga will be more known for his breaking of the Blues

    :D:D:D:D:D


  • #139
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    After a over a decade living in Ireland and about half of it here on Boards, I've always been fascinated (and slightly bemused) by the bitterness, the parochilism and the crazy that I would see around the inter-pros. While I support Munster first, then Leinster and the other 2, I never really had a dog in the fight. I generally looked at matches fairly dispassionately and just hoped for a good game. During the match i cheered for my team then celebrated or commiserate, had a pint and moved on.

    I've decided to give the whole one-eyed, we're awesome and you're crap, bat**** crazy method a go this week. So c'mon!! Let's be having ya!!


    Edit: please excuse me if my trash talk is weak. I'm new at this. Spud-munchers.


    That's the spirit. I've written a little song for you. I think you'll pick the tune up fairly handy - you do have lumberjacks over there right?I'll start it off and you can join in. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh



    We're New Zealanders and we're OK,
    We drink our beers, our sheep eat hay,
    We like to play rugby in the wet or dry,
    When possible, we tackle high.


    We don't like books or poems or plays, our culture's one of sport.
    We don't like mobile phones in use, near toilets in air-ports.


    (all together now)


    We're New Zealanders and we're alright,
    Our country's nice, our weathers' ****e,
    Our players will rarely come through the gate,
    If they can't tackle high, they'll hit you late,



    We wear black shirts and all black boots, jock straps and gumshields,
    We don't like playing rug-by, with french refs on the field.



    (everybody!)

    We're New Zealanders and we're hard men,
    Our best fullback's first name is Ben,
    We mostly win and rarely lose,
    When he retires, he'll join Toulouse.



    We never bitch, and rarely moan,
    ...But that pass was forward and our food was poisoned and the laws should be changed to prevent the sort of nigative plaiy dit we sawr todaiy. It's just not in 'im. Hois not dit soht of plaiyer. It's dissapointing for his fimly to read the sort of rubbish thit's bin sid roicentloy...*fade out*


  • #140
    shootermacg
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    arsebiscuits1 wrote: »
    Perhaps this will sound cliche but I am a firm believer in the emotional levels helping us raise our game.

    We've seen Japan playing with supreme pride an honour in front of their home fans. I don't think they would have won against us or Scotland without that added edge of the utter desire not to let their home support down.

    Similarly, this could be Rory Bests last game for Ireland. As with Joe. This could be Sextons last RWC game along with a host of others.

    I think these are important points and the squad is tighter than it has ever been having been together constantly for the last 2-3 months. 1-23 the lads are going to be doing absolutely everything to ensure these fellas play at least one more game.

    I think this is understated. Knock out rugby is won on finding the extra 1% and this emotion is a good way to get it

    Have to respectively disagree with the emotional angle. We've never lacked for that when playing NZ and the adrenaline spike left us with nothing in the tank for the second half.
    Last time we beat them, if you ask the players, they'll say that they knew then could win and so, their aggression was controlled ans they stuck to the game plan.

    Ireland's main issue now is that teams are putting blockers in the way when we're trying to contest kicks and this has taken away one of our main sources of territory and possession.

    It will be interesting to see how Joe will plan this one.


  • #141
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users Posts: 6,036 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    ecoli3136 wrote: »
    That's the spirit. I've written a little song for you. I think you'll pick the tune up fairly handy - you do have lumberjacks over there right?I'll start it off and you can join in. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh



    We're New Zealanders and we're OK,
    We drink our beers, our sheep eat hay,
    We like to play rugby in the wet or dry,
    When possible, we tackle high.


    We don't like books or poems or plays, our culture's one of sport.
    We don't like mobile phones in use, near toilets in air-ports.


    (all together now)


    We're New Zealanders and we're alright,
    Our country's nice, our weathers' ****e,
    Our players will rarely come through the gate,
    If they can't tackle high, they'll hit you late,



    We wear black shirts and all black boots, jock straps and gumshields,
    We don't like playing rug-by, with french refs on the field.



    (everybody!)

    We're New Zealanders and we're hard men,
    Our best fullback's first name is Ben,
    We mostly win and rarely lose,
    When he retires, he'll join Toulouse.



    We never bitch, and rarely moan,
    ...But that pass was forward and our food was poisoned and the laws should be changed to prevent the sort of nigative plaiy dit we sawr todaiy. It's just not in 'im. Hois not dit soht of plaiyer. It's dissapointing for his fimly to read the sort of rubbish thit's bin sid roicentloy...*fade out*

    Fantastic work. Absolutely brilliant. Right up there with Joyce, Wilde, Yeats, O'Carroll-Kelly and Beckett. As we say back in NZ, "shot bro".

    There were 2 mistakes; our sheep are grass fed and our weather is better than Ireland's! But well done sir. I like your style.


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  • #142
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users Posts: 6,036 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    at this stage Umaga will be more known for his breaking of the Blues

    :D:D:D:D:D

    Thats just mean.


  • #143
    thomasm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,503 ✭✭✭thomasm


    joseywhales wrote: »
    I hope we don't get preoccupied with the haka nonsense, it has as much impact on the result as a bunch of cheerleaders.


    Why do teams give them the platform to try and psyche them out. If I were Ireland I'd be kicking a few balls over the post, doing a few more stretches and having a chat oblivious to whats happening with them. They would look stupid doing a haka to no one at this stage


  • #144
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users Posts: 6,036 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    thomasm wrote: »
    Why do teams give them the platform to try and psyche them out. If I were Ireland I'd be kicking a few balls over the post, doing a few more stretches and having a chat oblivious to whats happening with them. They would look stupid doing a haka to no one at this stage

    Tell the truth. If you were facing the haka, you would be crying with fear and wetting your pants.

    I think the only way to respond to the All Blacks' haka is to bow respectfully and then drop to your knees thanking them for allowing you on their field.


  • #145
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    We should start a thread


    "How to beat Ireland"

    Let the NZ fans see if they know how!!!!


  • #146
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Tell the truth. If you were facing the haka, you would be crying with fear and wetting your pants.

    I think the only way to respond to the All Blacks' haka is to bow respectfully and then drop to your knees thanking them for allowing you on their field.


    The haka had some mystic affect years ago when people rarely seen it


    Now its on the TV every day of the week.....nothing mystically about it. The day they sold it off to highest bidder, I think Adidas, lost all credibility for it as well .......they might as well stick a big advertisement board behind it flogging cherrio's or corn flakes, make a few more quid out of it


  • #147
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    The haka had some mystic affect years ago when people rarely seen it


    Now its on the TV every day of the week.....nothing mystically about it. The day they sold it off to highest bidder, I think Adidas, lost all credibility for it as well .......they might as well stick a big advertisement board behind it flogging cherrio's or corn flakes, make a few more quid out of it

    Only that I'm heading out to Japan on Thursday, I would be particularly looking forward to Donal Lenihan telling me which haka it is and the significance of same. :rolleyes:


  • #148
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users Posts: 6,036 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    We should start a thread


    "How to beat Ireland"

    Let the NZ fans see if they know how!!!!

    Rush up fast and smash their one out runners. Leave a couple of late hits on Murray and Sexton to make them throw their toys. Move the ball wide quickly and at pace. Simple 😜


  • #149
    Neil3030
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Rush up fast and smash their one out runners. Leave a couple of late hits on Murray and Sexton to make them throw their toys. Move the ball wide quickly and at pace. Simple 😜

    So last in the list is actually playing your own game. I must say, I've never seen Kiwis so anxious about their team before. Is it the young lads on the wings? The new centre partnership since the last RWC? The new 10? New personnel in the back row? Beauden at 15? How many are still there since 2015 actually, around 5 or so? What's the win record been since the likes of McCaw, C. Smith, Nonu, Kaino etc retired? Certainly hasn't been great against Ireland. You've lost to both SA and Aus too, right? And didn't Argentina run you close? Is this why Kiwis aren't showing the usual unyielding reassurance in their team?


  • #150
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users Posts: 6,036 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    So last in the list is actually playing your own game. I must say, I've never seen Kiwis so anxious about their team before. Is it the young lads on the wings? The new centre partnership since the last RWC? The new 10? New personnel in the back row? Beauden at 15? How many are still there since 2015 actually, around 5 or so? What's the win record been since the likes of McCaw, C. Smith, Nonu, Kaino etc retired? Certainly hasn't been great against Ireland. You've lost to both SA and Aus too, right? And didn't Argentina run you close? Is this why Kiwis aren't showing the usual unyielding reassurance in their team?

    Defence is part of our game. We're not going to have 100% possession. As long as our defence is sorted our attack will flow. As we build a lead, Ireland wont know what to do. We all know they can't chase a game.

    I like the youth we have. Better than relying on tired, old, out of form has been like Best, POM, Sexton, Earls and Kearney.

    Yeah we've lost games since the last RWC but none at this RWC. I'd guess our win winning percentage is still around 80% but 1-2 against Ireland so time to square the ledger. Yes we've lost Aus and SA but so have you. We haven't lost to Japan or Scotland 😠Argentina have run us close but we still have never lost to them 😜


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  • #151
    Neil3030
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Defence is part of our game. We're not going to have 100% possession. As long as our defence is sorted our attack will flow. As we build a lead, Ireland wont know what to do. We all know they can't chase a game.

    I like the youth we have. Better than relying on tired, old, out of form has been like Best, POM, Sexton, Earls and Kearney.

    Yeah we've lost games since the last RWC but none at this RWC. I'd guess our win winning percentage is still around 80% but 1-2 against Ireland so time to square the ledger. Yes we've lost Aus and SA but so have you. We haven't lost to Japan or Scotland 😠Argentina have run us close but we still have never lost to them ��

    I think of the truly unstoppable All Blacks teams of the recent past, and I recall a different use of defence, one that primarily set up attack following a turn-over. The old adage - they're more dangerous when you have the ball. Ruthlessly attacking the breakdown to strip ball and murder teams on the counter - that was very much part of your game for sure. Are those days gone? Rushing up your defence to stop Ireland's one-out runners speaks of an entirely different mentality to me, i.e. more negative, damage limitation. In fact, when you lost to us last November* we actually dominated the turnovers 17 to 11. Whatever about comprehensively losing a rugby match, for an All-Black team to lose the turnover battle, in any game, is absolutely unheard of to me. What's going on, do you think? It can't all be down to losing McCaw, surely?

    *Best, POM, Sexton, Earls and Kearney all played that day.


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