Guy touches girls arm, faces 10 years for sexual assault

freshpopcorn · 10-10-2019 10:12pm

AulWan wrote: »

The bottom line is NO person has the right to walk up to any person and put their hands - or even a finger - on them anywhere, without their invitation - ever.

I fixed that paragraph for you.

AulWan · 10-10-2019 10:15pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Do you think a woman should put her hand on a man without consent?

Perhaps we should ship all of the continentals off to a prison barge:rolleyes:

Much as you'd like it to be, this isn't about gender.

I don't think anyone should touch anyone else, without an invitation, male or female.

Nor does it matter where she was touched, in this case. Its the fact that she was touched at all, that is the problem.

There are valuable lessons here worth learning for some, and to teach your kids (a) keep your hands to yourself and (b) no one has the right to touch you.

AulWan · 10-10-2019 10:21pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I fixed that paragraph for you.

Thank you.

Reviews and Books Galore · 10-10-2019 10:27pm

AulWan wrote: »

Much as you'd like it to be, this isn't about gender.

I don't think anyone should touch anyone else, without an invitation, male or female.

Nor does it matter where she was touched, in this case. Its the fact that she was touched at all, that is the problem.

There are valuable lessons here worth learning for some, and to teach your kids (a) keep your hands to yourself and (b) no one has the right to touch you.

I think the fact of where she was touched is quite important from a legal and gender point of view.

a) Guy touches guy on arm = Sexual Assault?

b) woman touches woman on arm = Sexual Assault?

c) Man touches girl on arm = Sexual Assault?

d) Woman touches boy on arm = Sexual assault?

If an arm is a sexual object, open to sexual assault allegations, then wouldn't all women now be in prison?

I actually blame the authorities and not the girl tbh. She's young and so on and so forth, but the authorities really made a strange decision here.

riffmongous · 10-10-2019 10:29pm

He also touched her on the waist right?

And her opinion was he touched her on the arm because she moved because otherwise he would have touched her on the breast

riffmongous · 10-10-2019 10:31pm

This thread is just a sh1tshow of people who didnt even read the article and don't have a clue because the OP purposefully gave a misleading title and OP.

One eyed Jack · 10-10-2019 10:33pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

If an arm is a sexual object, open to sexual assault allegations, then wouldn't all women now be in prison?

How do you make that out? It would be incredibly unlikely any women would be in prison if there were no complaints made against them by their alleged victims.

AulWan · 10-10-2019 10:33pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I think the fact of where she was touched is quite important from a legal and gender point of view.

a) Guy touches guy on arm = Sexual Assault?

b) woman touches woman on arm = Sexual Assault?

c) Man touches girl on arm = Sexual Assault?

d) Woman touches boy on arm = Sexual assault?

If an arm is a sexual object, open to sexual assault allegations, then wouldn't all women now be in prison?

I actually blame the authorities and not the girl tbh. She's young and so on and so forth, but the authorities really made a strange decision here.

Would you just stop.

You're just trying to deflect from what actually happened and it's so pathetic.

The authorities made the absolutely right decision.

Reviews and Books Galore · 10-10-2019 10:41pm

AulWan wrote: »

Would you just stop.

You're just trying to deflect from what actually happened and it's so pathetic.

The authorities made the absolutely right decision.

Hmmmm, I think I'll agree to disagree and, on reading my posts, they were a little bit OTT.

Have a good night.

10-10-2019 11:47pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

He went on trial on two counts of sexual assault because he plead not guilty to the charges.

You know perfectly well what my point was in my post - I wasn’t questioning the fact he went on trial, I questioned why he went on trial on a charge of sexual assault given the facts outlined in the newspaper reports,

I don’t need the bleeding obvious process pointed out to me- but go ahead and deliberately misinterpret my posts for your own agenda why don’t you.

One eyed Jack · 11-10-2019 2:29am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You know perfectly well what my point was in my post - I wasn’t questioning the fact he went on trial, I questioned why he went on trial on a charge of sexual assault given the facts outlined in the newspaper reports,

I don’t need the bleeding obvious process pointed out to me- but go ahead and deliberately misinterpret my posts for your own agenda why don’t you.

I genuinely wasn’t trying to deliberately misinterpret your posts. Like first off you thought it was a trial before a Judge and Jury. I didn’t jump down your throat for that as it was an easy misunderstanding given the way the DM phrased it - the 10 year maximum sentence applies in the Crown Court where there would have been a Jury trial. This case was tried in the lower Magistrates Court - community service type sentencing as the gravity of the charges were on the lower end of the scale - if he’d chosen to plead guilty and avoid a trial, it’s likely an apology to his victim for his behaviour would have been sufficient.

The facts outlined in the newspaper articles were sufficient to support his being charged with two counts of sexual assault... I thought that was the obvious bit. The panel of Judges don’t appear to have found his ‘I just wanted a friend’ story particularly credible given the circumstances, and frankly neither do I.

Peatys · 11-10-2019 2:41am

gwalk wrote: »

honestly, this generation is ruined

Says every previous generation ever

Midster · 11-10-2019 8:30am

It is completely hilarious how females talk to, and touch male colleagues in the work place and never a single headline. Yet if it’s a man, the flashing blue lights go on and all of a sudden he’s a criminal.

He touched her friggin arm for gods sake!! Yes he was a little bit awkward, maybe there was a past trauma with a girl he might have liked in his past.

Again and again men are being sent a clear message not to talk to, approach, or touch (even if it’s just to make way to just get to the Jonny in time)

I predict in the future there will be no relationships what so ever, no marriages, no babies and no love what so ever.

And you women out there will be sat alone, depressed and eating ice cream, and getting fat wondering where on earth did all the real men go.

Well, well done in advance women kind for killing off the whole of the human population, just because you got so far up your own arses to realize that not every man has a clue, and some, yes some men are so scared of approaching women that they will definitely act un naturally, look and sound a bit weird, and they get banged up anyway.

Think what that would do to your own view of the opposite sex... if I’m ever single again I’m going to kill myself

AulWan · 11-10-2019 8:46am

Its astounding how many men still aren't getting that message, and will defend this type of behaviour!

"H touched her frigging arm for gods sake!"

It doesn't matter if its her arm, or her boob.

DON'T TOUCH HER.

Not to mention you dismissed the whole creepy hedges and railway bridge thing, the not speaking to her thing, and that this was the second time he did it.

Keep your frigging hands to yourself!

Boggles · 11-10-2019 8:47am

Midster wrote: »

He touched her friggin arm for gods sake!!

Again, no he did more than that and yes context is key.

Hilarious how that is being ignored.

Midster wrote: »

Yes he was a little bit awkward, maybe there was a past trauma with a girl he might have liked in his past.

That's not this girls problem.

It's very simple, if some guy was waiting multiple times for your young daughter or relative and trying to touch or grab her in an isolated area you would just laugh it off as some awkward boy who doesn't know any better.

Would you fúck.

Also how do we know if she didn't report the incident he would have stopped, sounds like it was escalating if anything.

Then you may have a completely different story.

Midster · 11-10-2019 9:17am

AulWan wrote: »

Its astounding how many men still aren't getting that message, and will defend this type of behaviour!

"H touched her frigging arm for gods sake!"

It doesn't matter if its her arm, or her boob.

DON'T TOUCH HER.

Not to mention you dismissed the whole creepy hedges and railway bridge thing, the not speaking to her thing, and that this was the second time he did it.

Keep your frigging hands to yourself!

What ever happened to being flirty, or being touchy feely. I know plenty of women who’s whole personality revolves around being those things.
So you think some men aren’t the same? You want to make there whole personalities illegal now.
Some of the women I’ve known have stuttered, blushed and deliberately rubbed themselves up against the man they were after in order to get his attention.

You want to outlaw anyone making any kind of forward advances.

And for those who’s heart really does stop when they see the woman of there dreams walk in the room, to nervous to talk properly, to nervous to even stand without shaking legs, they go against everything to awkwardly say hello and ask for her number.

Let’s face it you just hate men. Period

seamus · 11-10-2019 9:23am

He wouldn't have been convicted on two counts if he just walked up and touched her arm.

Anyone who trusts the Daily Mail to report correctly needs their heads examined tbh.

osarusan · 11-10-2019 9:25am

Midster wrote: »

I predict in the future there will be no relationships what so ever, no marriages, no babies and no love what so ever.

And you women out there will be sat alone, depressed and eating ice cream, and getting fat wondering where on earth did all the real men go.

Well, well done in advance women kind for killing off the whole of the human population

Jaysus.

Reviews and Books Galore · 11-10-2019 9:26am

Boggles wrote: »

Again, no he did more than that and yes context is key.

Hilarious how that is being ignored.

That's not this girls problem.

It's very simple, if some guy was waiting multiple times for your young daughter or relative and trying to touch or grab her in an isolated area you would just laugh it off as some awkward boy who doesn't know any better.

Would you fúck.

Also how do we know if she didn't report the incident he would have stopped, sounds like it was escalating if anything.

Then you may have a completely different story.

He said he touched her arm the second time, she said he touched her side/waist.

Would you do the same if the genders were reversed?

Tbh, I don't really care that much about the lady , but it is a worrying legal precedent if touching an arm is classed as sexual assault (which it is as it is two counts)

Reviews and Books Galore · 11-10-2019 9:27am

Midster wrote: »

What ever happened to being flirty, or being touchy feely. I know plenty of women who’s whole personality revolves around being those things.
So you think some men aren’t the same? You want to make there whole personalities illegal now.
Some of the women I’ve known have stuttered, blushed and deliberately rubbed themselves up against the man they were after in order to get his attention.

Jesus, I feel like most of the women I know would be classed as sexual assaultists if the roles were reversed.

Midster · 11-10-2019 9:28am

Sometimes it’s the shear bravery of a man that does invade a woman’s personal space.
Or a woman who invades a mans private space.
That provokes love between 2 people to be born.

It’s the circumstances that create differences of opinion, sometimes it’s welcomed, sometimes it’s not.

I myself have touched tens of women’s arms, in all kinds of situations, a few of those times that movement played a part in letting that woman know that I am a loving caring approachable person.

Literally billions of good strong relationships have started with a single touch.

Your stance creates fear, distance and animosity

Boggles · 11-10-2019 9:29am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

He said he touched her arm the second time, she said he touched her side/waist.

What's your point?

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Would you do the same if the genders were reversed?

What do you mean by "do the same"?

Reviews and Books Galore · 11-10-2019 9:32am

Boggles wrote: »

What's your point?

What do you mean by "do the same"?

:rolleyes:
Think on it for a while.

Boggles · 11-10-2019 9:37am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

:rolleyes:
Think on it for a while.

I did.

Your post is vague in the extreme and pretty nonsensical.

I asked you to clarify.

If you don't want to or can't, fine.

Boggles · 11-10-2019 9:40am

Midster wrote: »

Sometimes it’s the shear bravery of a man that does invade a woman’s personal space.
Or a woman who invades a mans private space.
That provokes love between 2 people to be born.

It’s the circumstances that create differences of opinion, sometimes it’s welcomed, sometimes it’s not.

I myself have touched tens of women’s arms, in all kinds of situations, a few of those times that movement played a part in letting that woman know that I am a loving caring approachable person.

Literally billions of good strong relationships have started with a single touch.

Your stance creates fear, distance and animosity

Have you ever creeply faced a bush waiting for a 17 year old girl in an isolated area who you then try and grab?

One eyed Jack · 11-10-2019 9:42am

Midster wrote: »

It’s the circumstances that create differences of opinion, sometimes it’s welcomed, sometimes it’s not.

This is the only part of your last few posts I agree with - the circumstances create differences of opinion. In these particular circumstances, the girl made it clear to the guy on both occasions that she wasn’t interested in having anything to do with him. She actively had to go out of her way to try and avoid him when he stood directly in her path, blocking her way and trying to touch her. The first occasion as noted by the panel of judges was opportunistic, the second occasion was premeditated, in spite of how the circumstances of their first encounter had gone.

The girl had every right to make a complaint because this guy didn’t appear to care about backing off when it was made clear to him that she didn’t want anything to do with him. His excuse that he “just wanted a friend” just isn’t credible, given the circumstances. He was deliberately trying to impose himself upon her and wasn’t going to accept that she had ignored him. She has every right to ignore him, he’s not entitled to attention from anyone just because he wants their attention.

Reviews and Books Galore · 11-10-2019 9:42am

Boggles wrote: »

I did.

Your post is vague in the extreme and pretty nonsensical.

I asked you to clarify.

If you don't want to or can't, fine.

Right. Perhaps I can simplify it and say would you react the same if the genders were reversed and a girl was touching the arm/waist of a boy?

SexBobomb · 11-10-2019 9:42am

Boggles wrote: »

Have you ever creeply faced a bush waiting for a 17 year old girl in an isolated area who you then try and grab?

Here man come on you don't know if this fella was lying in wait for this girl or if they just happen across each other on the same route to school or something, your painting him as some stalker/predator following her and pouncing on her from the shadows.

Midster · 11-10-2019 9:44am

Boggles wrote: »

Have you ever creeply faced a bush waiting for a 17 year old girl in an isolated area who you then try and grab?

What the hell kinda question is that?

Boggles · 11-10-2019 9:46am

SexBobomb wrote: »

Here man come on you don't know if this fella was lying in wait for this girl or if they just happen across each other on the same route to school or something, your painting him as some stalker/predator following her and pouncing on her from the shadows.

No I'm not.

She is. The person that was actually there.

The Police and Magistrates agreed.

Again if it were your young daughter this happened to you would just write it off as an a shy lad not knowing better?

Reviews and Books Galore · 11-10-2019 9:47am

Boggles wrote: »

Have you ever creeply faced a bush waiting for a 17 year old girl in an isolated area who you then try and grab?

God, I love how changing language can control the narrative.

'Grab'

'Wait'

'Isolated'

'Waiting'

Just interesting from a social point of view. You can search the Roxanne Pallet Punchgate on youtube to see a similar situation to controlling the narative by changing the word choice.

Boggles · 11-10-2019 9:47am

Midster wrote: »

What the hell kinda question is that?

Was it too complex?

It's pretty simply and pertinent TBF.

osarusan · 11-10-2019 9:50am

SexBobomb wrote: »

Here man come on you don't know if this fella was lying in wait for this girl or if they just happen across each other on the same route to school or something, your painting him as some stalker/predator following her and pouncing on her from the shadows.

The report says he was just standing there, facing a hedge, then as she approached he turned around and just put his hand on her arm without saying a word.

Then, even though there is no way he could fail to realise that it was inappropriate and obviously something she didn't like, he did it again.

I've already said I think calling it sexual assault is harsh, but it still is really creepy behaviour, and I can understand how the girl would be distressed.

Posters comparing what happened here to the kind of fleeting physical contact that happens in an office environment are just making stupid arguments for the sake of it.

Boggles · 11-10-2019 9:52am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

God, I love how changing language can control the narrative.

'Grab'

'Wait'

'Isolated'

'Waiting'

Perfectly sums up the narrative of the events.

What bit have you a problem with?

Again I ask, if this happened to your young daughter or young female relative you would be fine with it, shy young adult male not knowing any better?

11-10-2019 9:52am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I think the fact of where she was touched is quite important from a legal and gender point of view.

a) Guy touches guy on arm = Sexual Assault?

b) woman touches woman on arm = Sexual Assault?

c) Man touches girl on arm = Sexual Assault?

d) Woman touches boy on arm = Sexual assault?

If an arm is a sexual object, open to sexual assault allegations, then wouldn't all women now be in prison?

The Italians would be truly fecked

Boggles · 11-10-2019 9:55am

osarusan wrote: »

I've already said I think calling it sexual assault is harsh

From the small bit we know from the article.

'The complainant's evidence was very clear, logical and without embellishment. We can think of no motivation for you to touch the victim other than sexual.

'Had she not taken evasive action the assault was likely to have been even more serious. The first assault can be recognised as opportunistic however there is more evidence of premeditation in the second.'

SexBobomb · 11-10-2019 9:56am

Boggles wrote: »

No I'm not.

She is. The person that was actually there.

The Police and Magistrates agreed.

Again if it were your young daughter this happened to you would just write it off as an a shy lad not knowing better?

I'd call to the young fellas house and talk to him and his parents and let them know if my daughter was made feel uncomfortable (not even be physically contacted) by him again I would be dealing with it and then I would get the guards involved, put him and the parents on notice first that he's not behaving correctly. Maybe he didn't realise he was causing her distress.

Not jump straight to hysterically calling him a sexual predator.

osarusan · 11-10-2019 9:56am

Boggles wrote: »

From the small bit we know from the article.

Yes, I read it, but I disagree with it.

Midster · 11-10-2019 9:57am

Our future as a species looks pretty bleak.

Boggles · 11-10-2019 10:03am

SexBobomb wrote: »

I'd call to the young fellas house and talk to him and his parents and let them know if my daughter was made feel uncomfortable (not even be physically contacted) by him again I would be dealing with it and then I would get the guards involved, put him and the parents on notice first that he's not behaving correctly. Maybe he didn't realise he was causing her distress.

Not jump straight to hysterically calling him a sexual predator.

But sure where does it say the school girl knew the adult male?

Boggles · 11-10-2019 10:06am

osarusan wrote: »

Yes, I read it, but I disagree with it.

If he is was deriving sexual pleasure from tormenting a school girl then yeah that is very much sexual assault.

His story and excuses are nonsensical.

"I googled how to make a friend"

What website suggested, stalk, hide in a hedge and grab?

Midster · 11-10-2019 10:07am

Again, to all of you. This is yet another piece of straw to be put on the camels back.

And when the back breaks (which it will.)

Humans will be moved automatically from one room to another in order to prevent more than one human being in any one room at any one time, verbal communication will be outlawed, babies will be made in science labs and children will be raised by robots.

dodderangler · 11-10-2019 10:08am

I have a pretty big beard and I get women touching it all the time.
Am I able to bring them to court for that one??

Boggles · 11-10-2019 10:09am

Midster wrote: »

Again, to all of you. This is yet another piece of straw to be put on the camels back.

And when the back breaks (which it will.)

Humans will be moved automatically from one room to another in order to prevent more than one human being in any one room at any one time, verbal communication will be outlawed, babies will be made in science labs and children will be raised by robots.

Nah, none of that will happen.

This particular fella just needs to learn that hiding in a hedge and jumping out on school girls is against the law and if you are caught you will be punished.

No need for hyperbolic fantasies.

Boggles · 11-10-2019 10:10am

dodderangler wrote: »

I have a pretty big beard and I get women touching it all the time.
Am I able to bring them to court for that one??

Are the women stalking you and hiding in a hedge?

Are you Santa?

dodderangler · 11-10-2019 10:11am

Boggles wrote: »

Are the women stalking you and hiding in a hedge?

Are you Santa?

Not all them are.
In pubs or late bars lad.
And no I’m not Santa. I’m not jolly or fat. Cranky fücker

osarusan · 11-10-2019 10:12am

Boggles wrote: »

His story and excuses are nonsensical.

"I googled how to make a friend"

What website suggested, stalk, hide in a hedge and grab?

I agree with that, and said as much earlier in the thread.
Although I have to agree with an earlier poster on your use of language - him standing facing a hedge has become 'hide in a hedge' and him touching her has become 'grab'. That kind of stuff doesn't do you any favours.

Boggles wrote: »

If he is was deriving sexual pleasure from tormenting a school girl then yeah that is very much sexual assault.

That's just an 'if' though, although it's an 'if' the judge must have agreed with. Based purely on what he did, and not what he might have done later, I think it's harsh to call it a sexual assault rather than a common assault.

osarusan · 11-10-2019 10:13am

Midster wrote: »

Humans will be moved automatically from one room to another in order to prevent more than one human being in any one room at any one time, verbal communication will be outlawed, babies will be made in science labs and children will be raised by robots.

Olympic gold medal-winning slippery slope horsesh!t.

Midster · 11-10-2019 10:15am

dodderangler wrote: »

I have a pretty big beard and I get women touching it all the time.
Am I able to bring them to court for that one??

Try it. Lol

You will have to cry a little bit though, can you do that?

Try to look and talk like your traumatized by it if you can, it will add an extra level of depth.

And if you see the person who touched you walking around free after that, look fearful, and fake panic attacks.

If someone who has done this to you is rich or has money, you can publicly humiliate them, and sue them for damages.

You’ll be rich. Hahaha

Me to movement yippee

AulWan · 11-10-2019 10:20am

Midster wrote: »

face it you just hate men. Period

I love men. Not creeps who believe they have the right to touch women and call it flirting.

If you can't approach a woman without keeping your hands to yourself, you have bigger problems.

Guy touches girls arm, faces 10 years for sexual assault

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