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How to beat the All Blacks?

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  • #52
    Donnielighto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Get more points than them.

    Every time I see you posting I think of the tractor in barna now.


  • #53
    Sanjuro
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    reg114 wrote: »
    People getting a tad carried away here citing previous victories against the All Blacks as proof of our ability to win on Saturday. Can i remind people that the Ireland team of 2019 is a quantum leap away from that of 2018. Not only are our key players under performing but our style of play which might have been well honed and effective a year ago no longer challenges opposing teams. In short we have failed to evolve. Throw in the fact we have never beaten the ABs in a competitive game and you see the task at hand. Beating the ABs in a friendly is terrific but beating the best team on the planet in a world cup quarter final off the back of an appalling run of poor form this year is frankly not going to happen.

    The Kiwis were chastened against us in Lansdowne road last year because we terrorised them on our home turf. Retallic and co are not going to roll over again. Too many of our squad are playing with low confidence and mediocre levels of speed and intensity to enable us to beat the ABs. When I watched the japanese yesterday I saw a style of play that Ireland can only dream of matching. The pace , power and intensity of their play was an absolute joy. Ireland are nowhere remotely near that level of passion or play.

    My prediction , the first 20 minutes will be close after which the ABs will pull away. Might i remind people Ireland have never won a game they trailed at half time under joe, so his game will be won in the first half. Im expecting the ABs to win by a clear 3 tries.
    Thank god you're here to remind us. :rolleyes:


  • #54
    lalababa
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    If I remember correctly the last times we've played them where we have been competitive , we basically didn't give them the ball.
    If they don't have the ball they can't score. (Ha, ha)


  • #55
    irelandrover
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    reg114 wrote: »
    People getting a tad carried away here citing previous victories against the All Blacks as proof of our ability to win on Saturday. Can i remind people that the Ireland team of 2019 is a quantum leap away from that of 2018. Not only are our key players under performing but our style of play which might have been well honed and effective a year ago no longer challenges opposing teams. In short we have failed to evolve. Throw in the fact we have never beaten the ABs in a competitive game and you see the task at hand. Beating the ABs in a friendly is terrific but beating the best team on the planet in a world cup quarter final off the back of an appalling run of poor form this year is frankly not going to happen.
    .

    When was the last time Ireland played NZ in a world cup? I think its 1995. So while your never beaten NZ in a competitive game is correct its one loss from one 24 years ago.


  • #56
    raclle
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    I have a similar feeling tbh. I'm not confident we'll be able to up our game and intensity in such a short space of time. We'll have to pull out a bigger performance than we did when we beat them. Everything will have to go right on the day inc the ref (I hope to god its not Angus Gardner). I also hope when Schmidt goes we'll actually change our playing style.


  • #57
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    reg114 wrote: »
    People getting a tad carried away here citing previous victories against the All Blacks as proof of our ability to win on Saturday. Can i remind people that the Ireland team of 2019 is a quantum leap away from that of 2018. Not only are our key players under performing but our style of play which might have been well honed and effective a year ago no longer challenges opposing teams. In short we have failed to evolve. Throw in the fact we have never beaten the ABs in a competitive game and you see the task at hand. Beating the ABs in a friendly is terrific but beating the best team on the planet in a world cup quarter final off the back of an appalling run of poor form this year is frankly not going to happen.

    The Kiwis were chastened against us in Lansdowne road last year because we terrorised them on our home turf. Retallic and co are not going to roll over again. Too many of our squad are playing with low confidence and mediocre levels of speed and intensity to enable us to beat the ABs. When I watched the japanese yesterday I saw a style of play that Ireland can only dream of matching. The pace , power and intensity of their play was an absolute joy. Ireland are nowhere remotely near that level of passion or play.

    My prediction , the first 20 minutes will be close after which the ABs will pull away. Might i remind people Ireland have never won a game they trailed at half time under joe, so his game will be won in the first half. Im expecting the ABs to win by a clear 3 tries.


    Well that's it. Except I don't think it will be close for the first 20 mins- NZ are not going to play into Ireland's hands. They will come out all guns blazing and they will be 10 pts up before you know it. Think Argentina last WC.

    Ireland spent 100 years getting annihilated by the AB (bar the very odd exception where they only annihilated Ireland a little bit) and then they beat them twice and bang all of a sudden we are great altogether.

    The victories last year may as well have been 20 years ago for all that it matters. It matters nowt.

    Ireland have only got Plan A which comes unstuck damn pretty quick against better more natural ball playing teams and then it's like watching a slow car crash.


  • #58
    reg114
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    partyguinness wrote: »
    Well that's it. Except I don't think it will be close for the first 20 mins- NZ are not going to play into Ireland's hands. They will come out all guns blazing and they will be 10 pts up before you know it. Think Argentina last WC.

    Ireland spent 100 years getting annihilated by the AB (bar the very odd exception where they only annihilated Ireland a little bit) and then they beat them twice and bang all of a sudden we are great altogether.

    The victories last year may as well have been 20 years ago for all that it matters. It matters nowt.

    Ireland have only got Plan A which comes unstuck damn pretty quick against better more natural ball playing teams and then it's like watching a slow car crash.

    My prediction is a best case scenario ha. For me Japan are the example of how we should play the game of rugby. Man for man on paper Ireland would have better players and bigger players than Japan but they play a different brand of rugby, offloading for fun at a million miles an hour and rarely kicking the ball away. sadly Ireland's turgid set piece dominated game is strangling us and we have had any creativity or flair coached out of us. japan constantly seek space whereas Ireland seek contact. The kiwis seek space and will find plenty against us on Saturday. I said before I only hope Andy farrell can take Ireland beyond where Joe managed to take us in 2018.


  • #59
    AbusesToilets
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    reg114 wrote: »
    People getting a tad carried away here citing previous victories against the All Blacks as proof of our ability to win on Saturday. Can i remind people that the Ireland team of 2019 is a quantum leap away from that of 2018. Not only are our key players under performing but our style of play which might have been well honed and effective a year ago no longer challenges opposing teams. In short we have failed to evolve. Throw in the fact we have never beaten the ABs in a competitive game and you see the task at hand. Beating the ABs in a friendly is terrific but beating the best team on the planet in a world cup quarter final off the back of an appalling run of poor form this year is frankly not going to happen.

    The Kiwis were chastened against us in Lansdowne road last year because we terrorised them on our home turf. Retallic and co are not going to roll over again. Too many of our squad are playing with low confidence and mediocre levels of speed and intensity to enable us to beat the ABs. When I watched the japanese yesterday I saw a style of play that Ireland can only dream of matching. The pace , power and intensity of their play was an absolute joy. Ireland are nowhere remotely near that level of passion or play.

    My prediction , the first 20 minutes will be close after which the ABs will pull away. Might i remind people Ireland have never won a game they trailed at half time under joe, so his game will be won in the first half. Im expecting the ABs to win by a clear 3 tries.

    Surely the emotional impetus is what's needed to get to that level of intensity? For me, that's been the greatest difference between this season and 2018, how subdued the team has seemed. Generally lacking in fire. If they can't rouse themselves for a QF, they'll never manage it.


  • #60
    partyguinness
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    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    Surely the emotional impetus is what's needed to get to that level of intensity? For me, that's been the greatest difference between this season and 2018, how subdued the team has seemed. Generally lacking in fire. If they can't rouse themselves for a QF, they'll never manage it.


    I don't think the emotional aspect is that relevant in rugby as say, soccer where you can man the barricades for 89 minutes and then might sneak a 1-0 with a penalty or own goal.

    Yes they are lacking in fire and sorry to say but that reeks of one thing and that is a team gone stale. Ireland does not have the conveyor belt of top players to sustain the heights of last year.


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  • #61
    reg114
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    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    Surely the emotional impetus is what's needed to get to that level of intensity? For me, that's been the greatest difference between this season and 2018, how subdued the team has seemed. Generally lacking in fire. If they can't rouse themselves for a QF, they'll never manage it.

    But that's it, Ireland only raise their intensity levels intermittently when they go to the emotional well. But even if they play with the focus and emotion of their performance against England in crome Park it won't be enough to beat a ruthlessly efficient AB team. Its just not in the players' psyche to play with unbridled focus and 80 minute intensity because I believe we are mentally weak. That weakness has cropped up multiple times this year and will again on Saturday. I keep going back to Japan, they are such an inspiration, we should model our game and how we approach rugby on what the Japanese do. They are fabulous to watch.


  • #62
    ionadnapokot
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    The Ruck
    - Attack through and around fringes of the ruck

    Australia with Nic White got great yards from this.

    I expect Murray to have another go here.
    & a few of D POWER PLAYS


  • #63
    Podge_irl
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    reg114 wrote: »
    Throw in the fact we have never beaten the ABs in a competitive game and you see the task at hand.

    We've played them once in a world cup. We have never played South Africa in a real match according to some people. People need to get over this ****e of world cups apparently being the only "competitive" games.

    Anyway, of course we can win. It's not all that likely but this is not as strong a NZ team as it has been in the past. Good ball control, eliminate mistakes and keep possession and we'll be on the way.


  • #64
    raclle
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    This is interesting
    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/sport/rugby-world-cup/cian-tracey-all-blacks-dual-playmakers-will-pose-serious-threat/ar-AAIJeSB?ocid=spartanntp tough i daresay they're an all round package.


  • #65
    Snow Garden
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    I think the longer we stay in the game the more worried the ABs will be. Our world cup focus is solely on this game whereas the ABs are focused on winning 3 games in a row. I think to win we have to hope they make some stupid moves under pressure (sin bin, red card etc). They will target our key players and rightly so but they wont get away with tackles like the Henshaw one in the brutal game in Dublin after the Chicago win.


  • #66
    aloooof
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    Snow Garden wrote: »
    I think the longer we stay in the game the more worried the ABs will be. Our world cup focus is solely on this game whereas the ABs are focused on winning 3 games in a row. I think to win we have to hope they make some stupid moves under pressure (sin bin, red card etc). They will target our key players and rightly so but they wont get away with tackles like the Henshaw one in the brutal game in Dublin after the Chicago win.

    There's never been much between the sides in Schmidt's tenure and I'm expecting it will be the same on Saturday. I guess the one difference to the 4 other tests is that this is in a neutral venue. Of the other 4, 3 were in Lansdowne and Soldier Field was almost like a home game.

    (As an aside, iirc, that was Savea on Zebo? Anything even close to that this time and it's almost certainly gonna be called a red.)


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  • #67
    dub_skav
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    aloooof wrote: »

    (As an aside, iirc, that was Savea on Zebo? Anything even close to that this time and it's almost certainly gonna be called a red.)

    That was one of them, the hit on Henshaw was by Sam Cane and certainly would draw a card these days


  • #68
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    dub_skav wrote: »
    That was one of them, the hit on Henshaw was by Sam Cane and certainly would draw a card these days

    Eh? Henshaw tried to headbutt Sam Cane, but missed and hit the shoulder. Red card Henshaw all day long.


  • #69
    dub_skav
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    Glass half full time here as I'm a hopeless optimist when it comes to sports :D.
    But, here are my positive views of our situation

    - Our game is set up to beat New Zealand, the possession style, our precise kicking, quick line speed. all are designed for a team like NZ
    - Whether they admit it or not, the team have been looking at the World Cup quarter final for at least a year now. I certainly do not believe that losing to Japan was in the plan, but peaking for the quarter final certainly was.
    - I honestly don't think it matters who we play. If we play well we have a chance against anyone, if not we lose. Simple.
    - In this World Cup, when Sexton has played we have looked good. He rounded nicely into form against Samoa and looks ready to go
    - I don't think we've been "holding back moves" as some were speculating / deriding. But, I do think that we have plays / moves / patterns that are tailored to specific opposition and exploiting their tendencies. So, I believe that we will see some "power plays" this weekend, not because they were held back for NZ, but because they were specifically designed for NZ.

    I said I was a hopeless optimist, but I do honestly believe that win or lose, the team will hit the ground running and give this game a good rattle.

    I'm nervous and excited already. Can't wait for the weekend.


  • #70
    Iscreamkone
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    Poison them as per 2005?


  • #71
    partyguinness
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    dub_skav wrote: »
    Glass half full time here as I'm a hopeless optimist when it comes to sports :D.
    But, here are my positive views of our situation

    - Our game is set up to beat New Zealand, the possession style, our precise kicking, quick line speed. all are designed for a team like NZ
    - Whether they admit it or not, the team have been looking at the World Cup quarter final for at least a year now. I certainly do not believe that losing to Japan was in the plan, but peaking for the quarter final certainly was.
    - I honestly don't think it matters who we play. If we play well we have a chance against anyone, if not we lose. Simple.
    - In this World Cup, when Sexton has played we have looked good. He rounded nicely into form against Samoa and looks ready to go
    - I don't think we've been "holding back moves" as some were speculating / deriding. But, I do think that we have plays / moves / patterns that are tailored to specific opposition and exploiting their tendencies. So, I believe that we will see some "power plays" this weekend, not because they were held back for NZ, but because they were specifically designed for NZ.

    I said I was a hopeless optimist, but I do honestly believe that win or lose, the team will hit the ground running and give this game a good rattle.

    I'm nervous and excited already. Can't wait for the weekend.


    Look, we will have none of that type of positive talk around here. It's doom and gloom from now until the next WC in 4 years. It's too much to bear.

    In fact why bother even playing. Just put us all out of our misery now.


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  • #72
    aloooof
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    I think we can all agree that Hansen coming out with "Joe does lots of study, I might be able to set up him" means he's worried about some patented Joe Schmidt power-plays. :pac:


  • #73
    [Deleted User]
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    reg114 wrote: »
    People getting a tad carried away here citing previous victories against the All Blacks as proof of our ability to win on Saturday. Can i remind people that the Ireland team of 2019 is a quantum leap away from that of 2018. Not only are our key players under performing but our style of play which might have been well honed and effective a year ago no longer challenges opposing teams. In short we have failed to evolve. Throw in the fact we have never beaten the ABs in a competitive game and you see the task at hand. Beating the ABs in a friendly is terrific but beating the best team on the planet in a world cup quarter final off the back of an appalling run of poor form this year is frankly not going to happen.

    The Kiwis were chastened against us in Lansdowne road last year because we terrorised them on our home turf. Retallic and co are not going to roll over again. Too many of our squad are playing with low confidence and mediocre levels of speed and intensity to enable us to beat the ABs. When I watched the japanese yesterday I saw a style of play that Ireland can only dream of matching. The pace , power and intensity of their play was an absolute joy. Ireland are nowhere remotely near that level of passion or play.

    My prediction , the first 20 minutes will be close after which the ABs will pull away. Might i remind people Ireland have never won a game they trailed at half time under joe, so his game will be won in the first half. Im expecting the ABs to win by a clear 3 tries.


    How to undermine your argument in rugby; talk about friendlies.


  • #74
    Shefwedfan
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    May I point out if should be "How to beat New Zealand"

    it really really pisses them off when you dont call them the AB's.....watch the Aussies and they do it all the time. very rarely will you hear them refer to AB's.

    Anyway if anything NZ are more vulnerable than ever. A fairly poor Australia side hammered them. even before the red card Aus had them on the ropes. They had lost the head and in the play before the red card should of really got a yellow. The return result was pointless as Aus couldn't hold onto the ball in the rain. Someone mentioned it raining but that is the on thing Ireland does not want. If it is lashing rain I would epect NZ to win easy

    In terms of how to beat, a number of ways as shown by Ireland, SA and Aus again recently. England as well should have beaten them. In the Chicago match Joe went with a very attacking game and it worked but in the most recent game it was based on holding possession.

    In the WC so far Ireland have tried to be more attacking and are hitting less rucks.

    I think the biggest thing is hold out the first 10-20 min wave that will come.NZ will try and hammer us and be out of sight by half time. We need to hold them out, no aimless kicks etc.

    My starting team
    Healy, Best, Furlong, Ryan, Henderson, Ruddock, VDF, Stander, Murray, Sexton, Conway, Henshaw, Ringrose, Earls, Kearney

    Subs: Kilcoyne, Scannel, Ryan, POM, Larmour, McGrath, Carbery


  • #75
    Shefwedfan
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    reg114 wrote: »
    People getting a tad carried away here citing previous victories against the All Blacks as proof of our ability to win on Saturday. Can i remind people that the Ireland team of 2019 is a quantum leap away from that of 2018. Not only are our key players under performing but our style of play which might have been well honed and effective a year ago no longer challenges opposing teams. In short we have failed to evolve. Throw in the fact we have never beaten the ABs in a competitive game and you see the task at hand. Beating the ABs in a friendly is terrific but beating the best team on the planet in a world cup quarter final off the back of an appalling run of poor form this year is frankly not going to happen.

    The Kiwis were chastened against us in Lansdowne road last year because we terrorised them on our home turf. Retallic and co are not going to roll over again. Too many of our squad are playing with low confidence and mediocre levels of speed and intensity to enable us to beat the ABs. When I watched the japanese yesterday I saw a style of play that Ireland can only dream of matching. The pace , power and intensity of their play was an absolute joy. Ireland are nowhere remotely near that level of passion or play.

    My prediction , the first 20 minutes will be close after which the ABs will pull away. Might i remind people Ireland have never won a game they trailed at half time under joe, so his game will be won in the first half. Im expecting the ABs to win by a clear 3 tries.


    Incorrect....


    Wales where in front of Ireland and lost the game :D


  • #76
    reg114
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Incorrect....


    Wales where in front of Ireland and lost the game :D

    The most recent Wales match ?


  • #77
    reg114
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    How to undermine your argument in rugby; talk about friendlies.

    Thats it ignore everything else Ive said in my post.


  • #78
    NeonWolf
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    aloooof wrote: »
    There's never been much between the sides in Schmidt's tenure and I'm expecting it will be the same on Saturday. I guess the one difference to the 4 other tests is that this is in a neutral venue. Of the other 4, 3 were in Lansdowne and Soldier Field was almost like a home game.

    (As an aside, iirc, that was Savea on Zebo? Anything even close to that this time and it's almost certainly gonna be called a red.)

    It was Malakai Fekitoa.


  • #79
    Shefwedfan
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    reg114 wrote: »
    The most recent Wales match ?


    Correct


  • #80
    Yeah_Right
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    Ireland can bring all the intensity they want. They can get as fired up as a bunch of Travellers in a Youtube call out video. It won't matter because Ireland doesn't have the pace or the skill to compete with the ABs. And if its close with 20 minutes to go, a good proper high tackle on Sexton to take him out of the game and the match is won.


  • #81
    prawnsambo
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Ireland can bring all the intensity they want. They can get as fired up as a bunch of Travellers in a Youtube call out video. It won't matter because Ireland doesn't have the pace or the skill to compete with the ABs. And if its close with 20 minutes to go, a good proper high tackle on Sexton to take him out of the game and the match is won.
    So you're predicting a red card for NZ?


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  • #82
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    prawnsambo wrote: »
    So you're predicting a red card for NZ?

    It's part of the game plan. They deliberately played with 14 men against Tonga in preparation for it.


  • #83
    prawnsambo
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    Basil3 wrote: »
    It's part of the game plan. They deliberately played with 14 men against Tonga in preparation for it.
    Funny you should say that. :D


  • #84
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    reg114 wrote: »
    Thats it ignore everything else Ive said in my post.

    Frankly I'm not bothered when your being so overly negative and your premise is that we've never beaten NZ in a competitive game. You'll be gone when the world cup is over.


  • #85
    Jump_In_Jack
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    Hansen interview is interesting.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/steve-hansen-on-joe-schmidt-i-might-be-able-to-set-him-up-1.4049728
    Referring to when we beat them recently, and looking forward to Saturday.
    “Big difference here is it is a do or die game for both teams.”

    Also, this is interesting.
    “We know that Joe does a lot of study. That can be a strength and a weakness. I might be able to set him up.”

    All in all, Hansen is laying the grounds for our biggest ever triumph.

    New Zealand can have absolutely no excuses now if Ireland beat them.
    May the better team win.


  • #86
    BarryD2
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    prawnsambo wrote: »
    So you're predicting a red card for NZ?

    Like Kilkenny teams of yore, they play on and over the edge of physically dominating the opposition. Who's reffing and what will they tolerate?


  • #87
    aloooof
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    Anyone have any thoughts on what difference having Beauden Barrett at FB will bring to the game? He's cut us open before (thinking the 2016 game in the Aviva after Chicago) so I'm a bit concerned with him having even more space. Still think his kicking can be suspect on occasion tho.


  • #88
    raclle
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    He'll be even more dangerous as he's got more time to think.


  • #89
    Muahahaha
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    Gonad wrote: »
    You know yourself playing these lads is always heart in mouth stuff from start to finish . So yes I would take that no problem :)

    I cant see this game as being very heart in mouth, I think the ABs will be out of sight by the 60th minute. Its hard to see us being close to them in the final stages given we looked wrecked vs. Japan and Russia in the closing stages.


  • #90
    Wailin
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    Barnes to referee the game according to today fm. Very happy with that, Gardner would have been our worst nightmare.


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  • #91
    raclle
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    Wailin wrote: »
    Barnes to referee the game according to today fm. Very happy with that, Gardner would have been our worst nightmare.
    I remember not liking Barnes years ago when he used to time and time again penalize us at the ruck and quick to blow for a pen but he's been quite good in this tournament. I wish there was more consistency though as each ref has diff views it seems.


  • #92
    Shefwedfan
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    raclle wrote: »
    I remember not liking Barnes years ago when he used to time and time again penalize us at the ruck and quick to blow for a pen but he's been quite good in this tournament. I wish there was more consistency though as each ref has diff views it seems.

    Barnes has been excellent for 3-4 year now at least.....after the last WC he quickly replaced Nigel as best ref....still is my a long distance....in my opinion anyway


  • #93
    billyhead
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    I cant see this game as being very heart in mouth, I think the ABs will be out of sight by the 60th minute. Its hard to see us being close to them in the final stages given we looked wrecked vs. Japan and Russia in the closing stages.[/QU

    Exactly this. The ABs will be patient and will run away with the match in the last 20 mins as tired body's take its toll. The only way to beat them is to match them in the physicality stakes, force them to make mistakes and starve them of possession for as long as possible. I can see us possibly staying close to them for a large period of the game but eventually they will open us up.


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    prawnsambo
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    billyhead wrote: »
    Exactly this. The ABs will be patient and will run away with the match in the last 0 mins as tired body's take its toll. The only way to beat them is to match them in the physicality stakes, force them to make mistakes and starve them of possession for as long as possible. I can see us possibly staying close to them for a large period of the game but eventually they will open us up.
    Well they've done that to us before. :D


  • #95
    Neil3030
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Ireland can bring all the intensity they want. They can get as fired up as a bunch of Travellers in a Youtube call out video. It won't matter because Ireland doesn't have the pace or the skill to compete with the ABs. And if its close with 20 minutes to go, a good proper high tackle on Sexton to take him out of the game and the match is won.

    Ireland don't need to get "fired up", those days are dead and gone. We need to stay rigidly focused on the game plan, carve out a lead, and get into our groove. This AB team know we won't tire like the Saffers, and know we can't be outplayed like Australia. The longer the game goes with us in front, the more doubt will begin to creep into AB minds that the game is lost. What do they do then? Do they have a plan B? Can they find a way to win? I trust you weren't being serious, but if you genuinely think they'll need to resort to a hit job on our 10 in the closing stages, that wouldn't be filling me with confidence tbh.


  • #96
    ClanofLams
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    The main source of hope I can find is that it’s a relatively inexperienced NZ team, particularly in the back three. Bridge and Reece are both newcomers, Barrett is new to the full back position. Mo’unga only has fifteen caps or something. When you compare it to the NZ ‘11 or ‘15 teams it’s a marked point of difference.

    They’re class players but there’s always the chance they get unsettled under pressure they haven’t played under before (Barrett aside and even he hasn’t experienced it at 15). A masterclass in tactical kicking might be able to force mistakes from the NZ back three, especially Reece under high balls. That combined with a huge defensive performance which keeps NZ to around fifteen points is Ireland’s only path to victory.

    It’s hard to see based on 2019 form.


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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Ireland can bring all the intensity they want. They can get as fired up as a bunch of Travellers in a Youtube call out video. It won't matter because Ireland doesn't have the pace or the skill to compete with the ABs. And if its close with 20 minutes to go, a good proper high tackle on Sexton to take him out of the game and the match is won.

    *applause*


  • #98
    laugh
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Barnes has been excellent for 3-4 year now at least.....after the last WC he quickly replaced Nigel as best ref....still is my a long distance....in my opinion anyway

    You should read the November NZ thread here, everyone felt he wasn't reffing them for off side.


  • #99
    Donnielighto
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    laugh wrote: »
    You should read the November NZ thread here, everyone felt he wasn't reffing them for off side.

    Still the best ref going and he's confident enough to not care what colour the jersey is. Hes the one who sent of Hartley in a final for chat (serious chat mind), he's got backbone.


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    Went for a little trip down memory lane


  • #101
    The Lost Sheep
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    raclle wrote: »
    I remember not liking Barnes years ago when he used to time and time again penalize us at the ruck and quick to blow for a pen but he's been quite good in this tournament. I wish there was more consistency though as each ref has diff views it seems.
    when you say consistency you mean what exactly?
    All refs will referee different areas of games slight bit different to others as that's their interpretation of the law and one of the Joy's of the sport. All teams at all levels have to be ready for that...


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