Guy touches girls arm, faces 10 years for sexual assault

20Wheel · 13-10-2019 3:25pm

Boggles wrote: »

How do you know they didn't give him one?

It would appear this young girl wasn't the only recipient of his unique friendship ritual.

Would be kind of ironic though if during the police warning the sergeant grabbed him by the arm.

Listen up son, no more grabbing people by the arm, they may not like it.
Now off you go.

ErnestBorgnine · 13-10-2019 4:00pm

AulWan wrote: »

Now, before you all jump down my throat, I know its not all men. But until all the decent men out there start holding those who do act badly accountable, instead of looking for ways to defend them "he was shy and awkward" while making the woman out to be over-reacting hysterically because "it was just her arm, ffs" then you can expect a lot more of the same, because women, especially the younger generation, are no longer willing to put up with it.

Enjoy your Sunday.

And what policing of female bad behaviours are you responsible for?

Ironicname · 13-10-2019 4:03pm

ErnestBorgnine wrote:

And what policing of female bad behaviours are you responsible for?

Obviously not the "being a condescending hypocrite" officer anyway.

Reviews and Books Galore · 13-10-2019 4:27pm

ErnestBorgnine wrote: »

And what policing of female bad behaviours are you responsible for?

Hopefully false accusations, exaggeration, and victim playing.

Interestingly, the African american community talk about this a little bit and you can find articles about it by searching 'white female tears'.

Most women don't police female behaviour as it can lead to ostracization tbh.

Reviews and Books Galore · 13-10-2019 4:29pm

Boggles wrote: »

How do you know they didn't give him one?

It would appear this young girl wasn't the only recipient of his unique friendship ritual.

Proof? Of any kind?

Why are you so obsessed with imagining the 'schoolgirl in trouble' scenario? At least base it on fact rather than gossip and your own exaggeration.

Ironicname · 13-10-2019 4:42pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote:

Why are you so obsessed with imagining the 'schoolgirl in trouble' scenario? At least base it on fact rather than gossip and your own exaggeration.

"Young schoolgirl in peril Vs Adult pervert who looks at bushes and then lunges at children's breasts" reads better.

Boggles · 13-10-2019 5:09pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Proof? Of any kind?

Why are you so obsessed with imagining the 'schoolgirl in trouble' scenario? .

Why are you obsessed, full stop?

Was there an incident in your past?

Ironicname · 13-10-2019 5:25pm

Boggles wrote:

Was there an incident in your past?

Disgusting post. Betrays your virtue signalling and shows you for what you are.

Boggles · 13-10-2019 5:41pm

Ironicname wrote: »

Disgusting post.

It was a legitimate question given the vitriol he has launched at the victim.

Below is an example of it, it is also an example of a "disgusting post"

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

She does need therapy for her own toxic behaviour and using a guy as an excuse for failing a test.

Really. It sounds harsh but the language in the article is , imo, a sign of a toxic woman. Sorry, but I think it's true.

Ironicname wrote: »

Betrays your virtue signalling and shows you for what you are.

Stupid fúcking imported americanisms. Grow up FFS.

:rolleyes:

Ironicname · 13-10-2019 5:44pm

Boggles wrote:

Stupid fÃºcking imported americanisms. Grow up FFS.

No thanks. I can put it I to a colloquial term if you like: it sounds like you are trying to show that your **** doesn't stink and how you are such a "right-on" prick.

Virtue signalling was me trying to be polite.

Boggles · 13-10-2019 5:45pm

Ironicname wrote: »

No thanks. I can put it I to a colloquial term if you like: it sounds like you are trying to show that your **** doesn't stink and how you are such a "right-on" prick.

Virtue signalling was me trying to be polite.

Ironic Name indeed.

As you were lad.

Ironicname · 13-10-2019 5:47pm

Boggles wrote:

Stupid fÃºcking imported americanisms. Grow up FFS.

But then you spoiled it with a disgusting post which betrayed your pretence of being holier than thou.

(I reckon the virtue signalling post got across my point but you just had to add more fuel to the fire)

Reviews and Books Galore · 13-10-2019 9:19pm

Boggles wrote: »

It was a legitimate question given the vitriol he has launched at the victim.

Below is an example of it, it is also an example of a "disgusting post"

Stupid fúcking imported americanisms. Grow up FFS.

:rolleyes:

I'm sure some people will pat you on the back, but it does show a certsin toxic characterisation.

I am giving my opinion in her actions. You are just trying to gaslight/insult based on quite a silly low hanging fruit of percrieved past trauama or something. Its not intelligent or in any way admirable. Its kind of like a dog that oy attacks when it has support, or a common stone thrower in Sharia law.

I'm not really insulted, as its really bizarre, but I imagine you would be the first to attack gay people back in the days when that was seen as 'virtue'.

ohnonotgmail · 13-10-2019 9:59pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I'm sure some people will pat you on the back, but it does show a certsin toxic characterisation.

I am giving my opinion in her actions. You are just trying to gaslight/insult based on quite a silly low hanging fruit of percrieved past trauama or something. Its not intelligent or in any way admirable. Its kind of like a dog that oy attacks when it has support, or a common stone thrower in Sharia law.

I'm not really insulted, as its really bizarre, but I imagine you would be the first to attack gay people back in the days when that was seen as 'virtue'.

her actions involved innocently walking down a road and reporting 2 incidents of a man touching her inappropriately to the police. so what exactly has she done wrong?

Ironicname · 13-10-2019 11:00pm

ohnonotgmail wrote:

her actions involved innocently walking down a road and reporting 2 incidents of a man touching her inappropriately to the police. so what exactly has she done wrong?

Touching someone on the arm twice is no reason to be placed on a sexual offenders list.

El_Duderino 09 · 13-10-2019 11:09pm

Ironicname wrote: »

Touching someone on the arm twice is no reason to be placed on a sexual offenders list.

That doesn't answer the question you quoted. The question was "what did she do wrong?"

Reviews and Books Galore · 13-10-2019 11:47pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

her actions involved innocently walking down a road and reporting 2 incidents of a man touching her inappropriately to the police. so what exactly has she done wrong?

Wrongs a strong word, but thank you for latching onto that and disregarding everything else that I said

P.S. He's a schoolboy.

But, she didn't really do anything wrong tbh. It was well within her right to report it to the police (and I don't blame her for that in any shape or form) and she's a teenager so the melodrama* isn't a big deal. She didn't even make a false accusation.

But, the magistrate is the one who is the problem here.

*And, I'm sorry, but if you actually think she was thruamatised and that this had nothing to do with oxford, then you really are buying it at face value.

RandomName2 · 14-10-2019 7:48am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That doesn't answer the question you quoted. The question was "what did she do wrong?"

I'll ask you (as Boggles just does Boggles all the time)

If the roles had been reversed, had she touched a male classmate twice without invitation, would you consider it a little on the extreme side for him to go to the police? Much more seriously, would you consider it inappropriate for her to be convicted of sexual assault?

I'd be genuinely interested to hear the reason for your answer if you think not.

Although I will highlight here that in my opinion the main fault here lay with the prosecution, and not either of the teenagers' actions in this case.

Boggles · 14-10-2019 8:12am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I am giving my opinion in her actions.

She didn't stalk or touch anyone. She was the victim of a crime. But even if you believe his BS version of events that he was stalking and touching young girls to make friends at the very least she was the victim of some very creepy and weird behavior.

To call her a "toxic woman" because of the creepy actions of someone else is pretty extreme to say the least.

El_Duderino 09 · 14-10-2019 8:22am

RandomName2 wrote: »

I'll ask you (as Boggles just does Boggles all the time)

If the roles had been reversed, had she touched a male classmate twice without invitation, would you consider it a little on the extreme side for him to go to the police? Much more seriously, would you consider it inappropriate for her to be convicted of sexual assault?

Depends on the Context.

If she tapped Jimmy on the arm to ask if he knows what time the bus is coming, then yes it would be extreme to call the police.

If she had form for potential stalking behaviours, waited for Jimmy to be isolated on a bridge and approached him without saying anything, touched him and walked away and this was the second time it happened, then no. Going to the police seems fairly reasonable.

If the police have had a few reports like this in the past and his behaviour appears to be stalking, then yes it is reasonable to prosecute.

I think the urge to spin this as a "poor men" story, is unfortunate. There are loads of factors that we don't know. We don't know how "socially awkward" he is -read doesn't understand social Interactions. We don't know if he has been exhibiting stalker behaviour, we don't know his risk level, we don't know his attitudes to others (which could well be skewed by his lack of understanding social interactions).

I presume the Crown Prosecution Service had the best overview of the relevant factors. But I acknowledge they can make mistakes.

What do you think?

Reviews and Books Galore · 14-10-2019 8:26am

Boggles wrote: »

She didn't stalk or touch anyone. She was the victim of a crime. But even if you believe his BS version of events that he was stalking and touching young girls to make friends at the very least she was the victim of some very creepy and weird behavior.

To call her a "toxic woman" because of the creepy actions of someone else is pretty extreme to say the least.

It was toxic, but shes a teenage girl and the current times are toxic.I stand by what I said.

But your post was a good contribution.

Reviews and Books Galore · 14-10-2019 8:28am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Depends on the Context.

If she tapped Jimmy on the arm to ask if he knows what time the bus is coming, then yes it would be extreme to call the police.

If she had form for potential stalking behaviours, waited for Jimmy to be isolated on a bridge and approached him without saying anything, touched him and walked away and this was the second time it happened, then no. Going to the police seems fairly reasonable.

If the police have had a few reports like this in the past and his behaviour appears to be stalking, then yes it is reasonable to prosecute.

I think the urge to spin this as a "poor men" story, is unfortunate. There are loads of factors that we don't know. We don't know how "socially awkward" he is -read doesn't understand social Interactions. We don't know if he has been exhibiting stalker behaviour, we don't know his risk level, we don't know his attitudes to others (which could well be skewed by his lack of understanding social interactions).

I presume the Crown Prosecution Service had the best overview of the relevant factors. But I acknowledge they can make mistakes.

What do you think?

I don't believe in any form that a woman would be prosecuted for doing the same. Are there any sources on the multiple reports? There should be Facebook posts or something.

Boggles · 14-10-2019 8:31am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

It was toxic, but shes a teenage girl and the current times are toxic.I stand by what I said.
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So when you called her a "Toxic Woman" you meant all teenage girls?

Not just specifically her?

El_Duderino 09 · 14-10-2019 8:37am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I don't believe in any form that a woman would be prosecuted for doing the same. Are there any sources on the multiple reports? There should be Facebook posts or something.

Just the sources that have been posted earlier in the thread.

Reviews and Books Galore · 14-10-2019 8:37am

Boggles wrote: »

So when you called her a "Toxic Woman" you meant all teenage girls?

Not just specifically her?

Actually, I reread what I wrote and I said sign of a toxic woman. And yes, I completely stand by that as there are signs of toxic behaviour in the qouted language.

No offense, but you kind of run away with things.

El_Duderino 09 · 14-10-2019 8:45am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Actually, I reread what I wrote and I said sign of a toxic woman. And yes, I completely stand by that as there are signs of toxic behaviour in the qouted language.

No offense, but you kind of run away with things.

Yeah. You also said you think the woman did nothing wrong by going to the police and it's the police/CPS at fault for pursuing it. So you're a bit all over the shop.

Reviews and Books Galore · 14-10-2019 8:50am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah. You also said you think the woman did nothing wrong by going to the police and it's the police/CPS at fault for pursuing it. So you're a bit all over the shop.

Not really and I honestly can't be bothered explaining it.

Boggles · 14-10-2019 8:51am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Actually, I reread what I wrote and I said sign of a toxic woman. And yes, I completely stand by that as there are signs of toxic behaviour in the qouted language.

No offense, but you kind of run away with things.

That's the same thing, but here is your post in full.

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

She does need therapy for her own toxic behaviour and using a guy as an excuse for failing a test.

Really. It sounds harsh but the language in the article is , imo, a sign of a toxic woman. Sorry, but I think it's true.

Reviews and Books Galore · 14-10-2019 8:56am

Boggles wrote: »

That's the same thing, but here is your post in full.

Hmmmm, the first part was a bit melodramatic, but the second part seems grand to me.

Boggles · 14-10-2019 8:56am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Are there any sources on the multiple reports?

From the "Toxic Woman's" own testimony.

I had reported the previous incident to the police to days before hand as it had been going around that other incidents had occurred and I thought I could give more evidence, and then it happened again. It came up on a local Facebook group chat.

Boggles · 14-10-2019 8:57am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Hmmmm, the first part was a bit melodramatic, but the second part seems grand to me.

I didn't doubt it.

Reviews and Books Galore · 14-10-2019 8:58am

Boggles wrote: »

From the "Toxic Woman's" own testimony.

I am sorry but you are genuinely hilarious. Good luck.

beauf · 14-10-2019 8:59am

Probably at the point where they need to do courses in schools telling people how to talk to other people in real life. How to approach and how not to.

Boggles · 14-10-2019 9:02am

beauf wrote: »

Probably at the point where they need to do courses in schools telling people how to talk to other people in real life. How to approach and how not to.

No we ain't. Not at least on the back of this case.

It's very simple do not stalk and touch young girls.

This case isn't complex.

beauf · 14-10-2019 9:11am

Oh yes we are...(panto season)...

El_Duderino 09 · 14-10-2019 9:13am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Not really and I honestly can't be bothered explaining it.

No need to explain. It's what you said.

So while you stand by saying her behaviour was toxic, you also said she did nothing wrong. So as I said, your position is a bit all over the shop.

ohnonotgmail · 14-10-2019 9:37am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Wrongs a strong word, but thank you for latching onto that and disregarding everything else that I said P.S. He's a schoolboy.

He was 17 or possibly 18 i cant remember so not really a boy. certainly old enough to know right from wrong

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

But, she didn't really do anything wrong tbh. It was well within her right to report it to the police (and I don't blame her for that in any shape or form) and she's a teenager so the melodrama* isn't a big deal. She didn't even make a false accusation.

For somebody who did nothing wrong she seems to be getting a lot of stick.

Boggles · 14-10-2019 9:39am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

He was 17 or possibly 18 i cant remember so not really a boy. certainly old enough to know right from wrong

He was 18.

She was 17.

Reviews and Books Galore · 14-10-2019 10:21am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

No need to explain. It's what you said.

So while you stand by saying her behaviour was toxic, you also said she did nothing wrong. So as I said, your position is a bit all over the shop.

You and boggles are the best argument against having two wives :pac:

beauf · 14-10-2019 10:21am

beauf wrote: »

Probably at the point where they need to do courses in schools telling people how to talk to other people in real life. How to approach and how not to.

I'll add they need to do classes where people need to know the laws around harassment, sexual assault and stalking.

Reviews and Books Galore · 14-10-2019 10:21am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

He was 17 or possibly 18 i cant remember so not really a boy. certainly old enough to know right from wrong

.

Where did you correct the poster on using schoolgirl?

ohnonotgmail · 14-10-2019 10:23am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Where did you correct the poster on using schoolgirl?

is that all you have to offer?

beauf · 14-10-2019 10:25am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

He was 17 or possibly 18 i cant remember so not really a boy. certainly old enough to know right from wrong...

Normally you'd assume so. Could be more to it than age, could some other condition of difficulty, diagnosed or not.

ohnonotgmail · 14-10-2019 10:27am

beauf wrote: »

Normally you'd assume so. Could be more to it than age, could some other condition of difficulty, diagnosed or not.

None that a court thought made any difference or reduced his culpability.

beauf · 14-10-2019 10:32am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

None that a court thought made any difference or reduced his culpability.

I meant generally.

I don't know what the details are in this case. Seems like there weren't any other conditions.

Reviews and Books Galore · 14-10-2019 10:33am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

is that all you have to offer?

Sure. Seems a bit strange to correct one usage and not correct another :rolleyes:

El_Duderino 09 · 14-10-2019 10:50am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

You and boggles are the best argument against having two wives :pac:

OK. It makes it difficult to have a normal chat when you hold contradictory positions.

ohnonotgmail · 14-10-2019 10:51am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Sure. Seems a bit strange to correct one usage and not correct another :rolleyes:

One was the innocent victim. the other was was the perpretrator. You tried to downplay the age of the perpetrator. i corrected you.

Boggles · 14-10-2019 10:52am

beauf wrote: »

I'll add they need to do classes where people need to know the laws around harassment, sexual assault and stalking.

They don't.

This guy is a pest an outlier.

Virtually all young men in decent society who do not have a mental disability are well aware that stalking and touching young girls is wrong, including this díckhead.

The ones who know it's wrong and do it anyway are breaking the law and that's why the judicial system is there.

beauf · 14-10-2019 11:26am

Oh yes they do... (Panto season)

Lots of comments in this thread because people don't know what constitutes stalking, or indeed only partially read the details of the case, or took the tabloid reporting at face value.

Guy touches girls arm, faces 10 years for sexual assault

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