Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Check that out over on the airsoft forum here...Apparently, even iPSC matches with airsoft is illegal here in the ROI. According to a X post we had on it .
So planning a "heat" style bank raid scenario,or "storm the Dail", practise and utilise all sorts of small unit tactics in a combat scenario,like a squad stacking, bounding overwatch, carrying a man down and shooting as airsoft is all ok.

But shoot a competition, that is a sport discipline with so much as anything that represents a "door" or "window" with highly tuned non-combative firearms as you can get in both toy and real guns is looked as at"combat training" here in Ireland...Where do we even start with this utter clusterfuk of logic???:rolleyes:

SupaCat95 wrote: »

The last thing you want to do is to put yourself and rifle in the trust of a politician/civil/public servant.
I would much prefer a "private member" style club. As long as you are of good character and pay your fees you are welcome. Private member clubs can move much faster and cut through red tape much faster than some slow witted public servant.

jb88 wrote: »

A private members club is what all clubs are really in Ireland. You have to be signed in by a member or have the authorisation of the range owner to turn up and shoot.

Im against anything public now, Irish people are too thick, not capable of doing what they are told so how would a public range be any better.

Feisar wrote: »

The only safety issue I seen over the years (and it's a big one!) is muzzle awareness. Some lads have zero thought as to where their barrels are pointed when crossing drains/ditches/gates/etc. Notwithstanding a gun should be broken when crossing obstacles.

A bit late to the thread, but I think looking at the Council as a potential ranger owner/operator is the completely wrong angle. They have the land. But they are not in a position to manage a shooting facility.

Councils are local entities. They operate local facilities. Like pools, football pitches, tennis courts. That service the local area, and are generally pretty basic - even below basic standard. That would cut it with firearms imo.

A shooting facility would need to be a national facility. There are two options. One being managed and funded by the department of sport. An example being the London Shooting Venue, or the Sydney International Shooting Centre. Both built for their respective Olympic Games.

If Ireland wants to bid to host world class sporting competitions. That type of venue would be a benefit.

The other option would be a Dept of Defence owned facility. As in a shooting facility for armed forces to train and practise. But with certain days during the month were the public club could arrange to utilise the range.

Both options would be viable. The first more suited to Olympic type sportIng disciplines. The latter more to long range shooting.

I think that end game is being a bit paranoid. If they was actually the masterplan, they wouldn't need to be secretive about it. They could simply make all firearms illegal tomorrow. We don't have any constitutional protection here, they would be little grounds for a SC challenge.

The government also isn't some dystopian hive mind, or singular totalitarian entity. There are people in all walks of life that think firearms should be banned, mainly out of ignorance (as you've seen in threads on other forums on boards). No doubt individuals in various governments also have similar ignorant views. But that's not the same as being party or government policy. Making policies on a government level is really difficult. It would need to appear on a lot of agendas, and documents in order to get any sort of widespread traction. I just can't see a grand de-arming conspiracy being a high priority.

I used the London and Sydney venues as examples as both countries would have similarly conservative firearms laws as Ireland. We're obviously not in a position to make an olympic bid, so could never go with something of that scale. But the principle of being back for the Dept of Sport is the same. Although to receive the necessary funding, the olympic disciplines and the sport as a whole probably needs to be much more popular.

Just since 2009,

Ban CF handguns, but thankfully a grandfather clause

Limit RF handguns to 5 rounds, damage, so no resale value

Announce in 2015 intention to ban SACF, wait 8 years to enact so no compensation

2019: Mag capacity reduction, 6 months to get rid of, but to where?. No compensation

Lead Ban, all common ammunition now to be made illegal

FEC consultation????. STRINGENT new security criteria costing thousands, NV and Thermal and sound suppressing now impossible to get/use, no compensation

Definitely an AGENDA, death by 1000 cuts, with no compensation to be paid

The farmers rely on aid from the government. They aren’t nearly as big a lobby group as people make out.

And even then, it would be trivial to placate the farmers and screw everyone else.

Its also not like there are pro and anti firearms parties they would give firearms back. You are claiming the “government” when it’s likely each party contributed when in power.

We’re each of those decisions made by the sae party? You take of the government as a single group. I’ve never checked, but I’d assume each action was actually made by a different controlling party.

And there was obvious a motive to restrict firearms. Under the guise of public safety. I haven’t disputed that. I’m saying I doubt there is a current co-ordinated plan between multiple parties to take away all firearms. If they actually wanted to do that, they could just do it.

I don't think there's a hive mind at work however the net effect is the same. Things will only tighten and no one will put their neck out to relax any regulations due to being vilified the next time a gang shooting happens or some poor sod commits suicide.

As for Hive mind.

More like the UN and EU teacher's pet. Ireland's govts have over the year slavishly followed and signed us up for any and every right and civilian liberty restricting legislation proposed by those two utterly foul and corrupt organisations.The UN has had a plethora of civilian disarmament programmes and treaties restricting "Internation arms trafficking".While supposedly to stop 3rd world countries' local warlords from arming up 10-year-old kids to fight in their military. It affects us the civilian gun owner more than any multi-millionaire warlord who buys whatever they need in blood diamonds or drugs contrary to the UN's directives.

Think ITAR legislation and why your surplus ammo boxes and shotgun cartridge sleeves have a UN designation code printed on them.It's not there for fun.

How much debate was given in the Dail to the EU arms directive[aka the mag ban]? About all of 60 seconds probably. The Dail rushes thru legislation whether it is EU or national under two utterly despotic measures that should have NO place in a democratic parliamentary party. A guillotine and a party whip system.

Also, guess what it SUITS the Irish body politic too. Ever since 1974, Ireland has left critical international decisions to the "grownups in Brussels" It absolves the Dail and its denizens to be taken to account on having to make adult political decisions about the fate of the nation, when you can easily say "Shure Brussels decided it, its THE LAW we must obey it lads, and here's some of our own "gold plating" to show we are really good little serfs!"

So no, they don't have to ban anything,all they have to do is follow what Mammy UN and Daddy EU tell them to do on this or any other issue.

Agree with that. It’s a general tightening and restriction to only what is seen as necessary. That very different is a covert masterplan to ban all guns. It that were the case it would just happen.

I fully agree that there will be more restrictions over time. But I'm saying that's not the same as there being a current masterplan to take all firearms away. Certainly would mean that is an agenda to block support for shooting sports.

The biggest obstruction to restrictions is participation. But I don't know if that will improve. Ironically also goes back to the topic of the thread, building a facility. Very often the best pathway to support for sports is through the scholastic and collegiate routes. Doesn't Trinty college have a range? That was set to get a huge upgrade too iirc.

Surely building somthing like this to acceptable DOJ range standards and finding a disused lot,farm yard or similar with a sympathetic owner in every county of Ireland is not beyond our skills? Instant and portable ranges in a 40 foot container?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjeJZ-uWPkY&ab_channel=ARCADA

If the government cannot build/supply a range for the army or gardai without having to resort to using private enterprise, then all hope is lost

They [AGS]went and bought apparently six of these container shooting ranges @appx 1million Sterling.Made in NI . So yeah...http://www.generalranges.com/