Premier league 2020

peteeeed wrote: »

Bristow was great as was Taylor of course but they won titles against players with averages of 95 or under, now a loser in a final can hit an average of 105 or above, it's a different sport, Taylor's longevity is insane, it will never be matched and he stayed in with the current crop as long as he could, yes it's my opinion that MVG is a better talent

To quote a scumbag ex convict from darts. "they dont write averages on the trophy".




You actually contradicted yourself in the same sentence.
You claimed players of old never hit high averages, and then claim its a different game now.

Do you know why its a different game now, especially in terms of averages ?

Darts today is played on boards which makes it more conducive for professionals to get far higher averages. Look at a treble on todays unicorn board, and compare that to the smaller trebles on the old boards, and that's not even counting the staples that make them smaller.


Look at the darts that were heavier and thicker, meaning getting 3 in the treble was far harder. Anyone with any knowledge of the game would , or should be aware of this.


and thirdly, the money in darts is so much better now, players in the past had full time jobs, and outside a mere handful like Bristow, there was no professional players who could dedicate all their time to darts,



Taylor himself has said in the past Bristow was the best of all time, and I watched bristow growing up and I thought he was the best.



you claim MVG is the best, based on nothing but your opinion, and that is your right, you believe what you want, but I will back up my opinion with facts and figures to validate my point.

Liamalone wrote: »

MVG is the best player ever, Taylor was a fish out of water with no discernible challenger for like, ever.

again this is just an opinion of your based on zero facts just some biased loyalty



now if you were to provide data as to back up your claim it might not be so laughable.
Maybe a head to head between the players...oh wait....Taylor wins that too.

Kingp35 wrote: »

This line is particularly brilliant Justin.

You use 'facts' to back up your claims but then state Bristow was a better player than MvG. Would you stop

Bristow was a better player.

I would take the word of Phil Taylor over the likes of you, since he played the game. I dont know how old you are but I guess you are either young, or one of these new bandwagon supporters, cos if you ever watched Bristow you would have known


Bristow has 5 times as many winmau masters as MVG, and all won in a unified field....something MVG never did

Bristow was the first and most popular player in the history of the game for a reason.

He has more world titles than MVG, and not only has he more, but they were won in a unified field....something MVG never did.


Is that enough stats and facts for you ?


So to stop yourself looking like a hypocrite, how about you post some facts to back up argument, seeing as that is what you are complaining about

peteeeed wrote: »

Bristow who gave £10,000 to Phil Taylor to quit his job and start as a professional ?
i love eric bristow but he is not better than MVG , anderson or peter wright , the game has moved on massively since then , eric was the best of his generation , is the most successful darts player of all the of all time and it won't be beaten because there are too many good players now .


justin why do you turn everything in to a straight up fight with everyone on all the darts forums , you have an opinion which you are entitled to but so do the rest of us

I think you will find it was actually you that jumped on a post I made and started this question.
I stated how Taylor was better than MVG, you responded by saying MVG was better based on a solitary average,


I backed up my claim with my reasons, with stats and facts as to why I believe Taylor is better..

I have provided facts and stats as to why I think Bristow was better.


Yet you make claims ando, wright etc are better, and instead of posting a single stat or fact to back up your claims, and when I point this out, you accuse me of starting a fight.


I think you will find it is not a fight but a discussion board, and if you dont want me to reply why do you respond to my posts ?

this wraps up on thursday night

US2 wrote: »

Going to be unusual not having either of the 2 best players in the playoffs. At least 3 and 4 are there in wright and durrant.

In what bizarre universe is durrant in the top 4 in the world ?
Would this be the same durrant who has played in the PDC for 21 month....played in 22 staged events, and reached ZERO FINALS.


Dirk van Duijvenbode has got further in majors than durrant.


Durrant has lost to 58 different players in PDC competition,some players he lost to 3 times or more.


He finished top of an invitational, non ranking glorified exbo that has been a cluster**** due to covid..


Durrant is a decent player, along the lines of cullen, chizzy, Ian White, bit a top 4 player......are you insane ?

US2 wrote: »

I suppose you could have Smith 4 maybe durrant 5

Smith has done more in the pdc than durrant...FACT
Dimitri van den bergh has won more FACT
Dimi even beat durrant on his way to a major title....FACT
Dirk van Diujvenbode has done better in the pdc than durrant.....these are FACTS

I am not even counting proven multiple major winners like MVG, Wright, Price, Anderson, Wade, Gurney, Mensur.
Even Dave Chisnall , Whitlock and others have reached major finals in the PDC, That is 12 players alone who have done more than durrant


Durrant is not even in the top ten of the OoM,,,surely he would be in the top ten at least....but he is not...another FACT


Tell me how many majors in the pdc has durrant won...the answer is ZERO
How many finals has he reached in the almost 2 years in the PDC...answer ZERO
How many euro tours has he won ? the answer is Zero.

Just because he finished top of an invitation glorified exbo you think that makes his top 4. A PL that did not have proven winners in it like Anderson or Wade, or top ten players like Chizzy in it, players than have dome more than what durrant has.

MVG did not finish is the top 4, by that warped logic of yours durrant must be better than MVG next I guess.

Stop drinking the pdc hype and kool aid, just because Mardle screams over and over he is one of the best, foes not make it so.
You are being brainwashed by hype.
He has done nothing in the PDC to warrant being in the top 10.....another FACT
If he did and won actual trophies he would be in the top ten but he is not.And come January he is defending money.

He has won just a single comp in the almost 2 years, the most basic of floor comps...again another fact, like Ryan Joyce, Willie o Connor and countless other lower players who have won the same type event.

And don't give me the nonsense how he won some mickey mouse bdo tincup in the atrocious backward amateur bdo.
Christian Kist won that comp ffs.
Durrant is a good player, but saying he is in the top 4 is lunacy.

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what criteria you are using to rate him so highly.

US2 wrote: »

I was winding you up Justin but that's some nonsense. Your hatred for certain players clearly blinds you.

No proven winners haha what about MvG, Anderson, Wright, Gurney, Aspinal, Price, all multiple major winners.

Where did I say I hated those players ?


In fact I specifically have said NUMEROUS TIMES Durrant is a good player, and a good lad, who I have spoken to privately many times.


My issue is not with durrant but people like Mardle Pyke etc who harp on constantly that durrant is one of the best in the World and people like you actually believe it. Again on what basis is he one of the best in the world ?






The facts prove he is not. I see you were unable to back up anything or provide a single reason why you think he is one of the best, as expected.


I have stated numerous players who have won more
Named players this year alone that achieved more
Names players higher in the ranking
there are players higher in the one year oom


People are told durrant is one of the best, simply because he won amateur bdo rubbish, no more no less, as his record in the PDC is not that of a top ten player.


That is an actual fact, and you can squirm, deflect from that fact spin it to try make it a personal thing, but the reality is the facts back up my point.

probably get accused of "hating" for post these facts as well

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interesting stats here......comparing the top 4 in the Premier League and their performances/ record against each other.

Durrant has the worst head to head record
Durrant has the lowest average
Durrant has the least 180s
Durrant has the lowest doubling percentage.

ah so stats are now boring...ok..right.

Stats in the bulid up of the 4 players competing tomorrow....right.

could it be because I posted them and they dont suit others opinion ? I thought darts stats for the pl contenders on the pl thread would be welcome....guess not

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Do you have your two posts written out for tomorrow yet Justin?
If Durrant doesn't win it, you can do the one where you add it to his list of abject failures.
And if he wins you can swap it to the one about a meaningless exhibition which doesn't count for anything.

why would there be 2 different posts ?


Regardless of who wins it it is still an invitational, non ranking glorified exbo.
It would not change the stats I posted.


what you and others seem to be upset over are genuine stats and facts that back up my point he is vastly over rated. I dont blame durrant for this, when he himself has never claimed to be one of the best. My problem is the hype sky, mardle, pyke and others have given him which stats prove is undeserved.

But you cannot argue this, so instead you try to deflect and make it appear I have some dislike for a player I have said is a good player and likeable guy.





I have said since the inception of the PL, back when players like roland Scholten played in it, it was a glorified exbo, that served only to rake in the money the PDC needs to fund is pro tour.


Its a needed event, it serves a purpose, but its still invitational, non ranking, and skewed that players are picked on preference.


How many years have we seen Barney get undeserved invite after invite
What did durrant do in the entire year prior to his selection, no one cares because it is a meaningless unranking invitational.


If I say Willie O Connor is not good enough for the top 16, would that mean I must hate Willie, or are we not allowed to back up our point, without being accused of hating the player ?

how about you judge the actual posts on their content instead of the poster for a change

ando is so bad, that durrant bust 136, and ando after another 3 darts was still not on a finish.

whilst better than the first....hardly could be worse, the 2 games have been poor and if honest sums up what a poor pl it has been this year.
Obviously covid has played a huge factor

Any wonder i am looking forward to the euro tour this weekend more than I looked forward to this pl stuff

Asp deserved the win imo