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How do you see the state of snooker in RoI?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Tipp v Cork in Munster championship hurling today and Tipp v Cork in the Irish Amateur final too as Brendan O'Donoghue of New Institute, seeking his 5th title, takes on Ryan Cronin of The Crucible, seeking his first. Fair play to SBI for providing a stream, set up looks fantastic there. Amazing that Cork has yet to produce an Irish Amateur champion, with its current strength in depth, that will have to change some time soon, surely?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    It's supposed to be on the SBI facebook page but all i can see there is a clip of the match table and set up, no live coverage and was set to start at 10. Not sure what's happening there tbh



  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭B2021M


    What were the nature of the comments? If this was a case of getting a subjective wildcard I could understand them to some degree but Fergal qualified through an objective competition so it's hard to believe people can complain about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Just people who don't like how Fergal plays the game and don't believe his presence adds lustre or excitement to the tour. To be fair, they said similar about Rod Lawler, and there were plenty taking such opinions to task. I do think there's a valid question to be asked about Q School and whether the format is conducive to getting fresh talent on tour, but that has nothing to do with Fergal who continues to work his ass off to stay competitive. The young players just have to learn better how to cope with pressure, there's simply no other way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Well done Brendan O'Donoghue who lands his 5th Irish title with a hard fought but emphatic 7-4 win against Ryan Cronin. That pushes him one clear of Davy Morris and Martin McCrudden in the modern era and likely still more to come. Fair going.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    So will Fergal break the record for consecutive years on tour? Or has his run technically ended because he briefly lost his card, before acquiring a new one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    pretty pedantic to claim it's not a continuous run once he qualified again via q school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    I suppose it depends what way you want to look at it. Nigel Bond was 32 years continuously without ever falling outside the cut off point so i believe that has to count for something. I mean, Jimmy has been continuously there for about 300 years now but that includes at least 3 invitational cards, so i think you'd probably draw the line there for sure. It's a fairly remarkable run either way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,508 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    To me, it counts as long as the tour card was won on the table, whether that's by winning the World Championship or winning through Q-School.

    I'd also argue that if you exclude Fergal from the calculations then you'd also have to reduce Nigel Bonds record by either 1 year or 2. Presumably NB won his first card through the equivalent of Q-School back in 1978 or whenever and it was only at a later date that he gained enough ranking points to maintain it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Another good week in sheffield so far. Aaron, Ross and Rodney all into last 16 and still on track with 2 matches left to win. Aaron looks to have very decent chance, but I said the same this time last week so no guarantees, just has to maintain his standard and belief in himself. He's easily good enough to be on tour.

    Ross got lucky against James Cahill who, incredibly, missed a straight match black ball off the spot when leading 3-2, but they all count! Love to see him do it but tough matches coming up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    The pressure on a match ball off the spot is there all the same, when it's a livelihood on the line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    I felt sorry for cahill, left the arena a pretty angry and frustrated figure at the end. Pressure on these guys is immense and doesn't get any easier when you've been a few years struggling to make the breakthrough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Jaysus, Ross sure living a charmed life today. Daniel Wells, with virtual match ball red misses and sticks up the frame. In fairness, it was a tricky rail job, not the total gimmee James Cahill had earlier. Into a decider, same as Rodney against Zak Surety. Aaron already through with routine win over a not very good opponent to be blunt about it. Could be a great day yet!

    Edit: unfortunately that's as good as it gets as both Rodney and Ross beaten. Best I've seen Ross play for a while, though, if he can tighten up cue ball control, he'd have a chance.

    So just Aaron left and Zhao Jianbo between him and reclaiming his card. Definitely a decent Chinese prospect so no easy task.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭FR01


    Aaron Hill wins 4-1 and wins a two year card. Really have to admire him, just hope the experience he gained over the last two years will help him when the new season starts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Attaboy Aaron, follows Fergal in bouncing straight back with 4-1 win over Zhao. Bit nervy in parts, but never really any moment when he looked as if he mightn't win the match, great to see him play with such conviction and poise. Just the 3 frames dropped all week, pretty commanding. Two more years to grow and develop and, hopefully, do himself justice this time around. Roll on August!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    That is great for him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Q School wrapped up for another year and overall a fair showing from our lads. Same 4 back again for new season and, if not exactly progress, at least not going backwards either. Shame Ross went out early this week as was in top 3 on Q School Order of merit after Event 2 but has slipped back to 8 excluding those who earned cards. Still, that might get him into one or two tournaments via the top up list so should get some reward for it. And for Leone Crowley some valuable experience and didn't look overawed one bit against Kurt Maflin this week even if he went down 4-1. Rodney played decent and won a few matches. Hopeful for a good season ahead!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    Speaking of Kurt Maflin, is that him gone off the tour now? Hard to believe, he was in the WC QF in 2020.



  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭B2021M


    Yes not too bad a showing all round.

    You mentioned further up the thread that you didn't think the Q School format made it easy for new talent to break through. Do you think it would be better to be run on a league basis rather than knockout or what had you in mind?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    I think out of the 12 cards up for grabs, only one went to a player who will be new to the tour, so it does seem to bear out the argument that it's a very hard for new kids to break through. Bear in mind, they started seeding the qualifiers from last season which gives the guys coming off the tour an extra edge and that definitely does seem a bit unfair to me. Next season, they are expanding the Q Tour to 10 events which is good, but i'm not sure they're awarding any extra cards for it, which is not. It would make sense to me to have more cards through the Q Tour than Q School but i think world snooker prefers Q School as, at £1,000 a pop, it's quite the money spinner for them. Take cards away and players would be less inclined to enter so i don't see it changing any time soon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭B2021M


    Knockout best of 7 does seem a bit harsh for this purpose and may allow some luck with the draw. The fact that only one new player made it through suggests the quality may not be there though?

    Agree with you about the £1,000 a pop bit though!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Yeah, that's the obvious counterpoint. No matter what structures you have in place, and people will always carp one way or another, the young guys still have to come beat the established players if they're good enough. From watching these competitions and a lot of the juniors, i see quite a few nice players, great potters and breakbuilders, but when it comes to nailing a frame from a tight spot, not too many regularly catch my eye tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Best of luck to all those competing in European championships which are underway in Albania this morning. Last chance saloon for anyone hoping to snag a pro tour card for 2022/23 and emulate Aarons achievement 2 years ago in Portugal. If Ross carries his form from q school forward, he might have a little squeak. Here's hoping for a solid run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,013 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Didn't know Spawell is still closed. No plans to re open



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Fair play to Leone Crowley, through to qf of European under-18s where he'll face No.1 qualifier Liam Pullen who just survived a big scare against the incredible 11 year old Matvei Lagondzinschii from Ukraine. Very impressed with how Leone is playing, every chance of more progress here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    That's an outstanding performance from Leone to beat Liam Pullen 4-1 for a place in the sf. No mistake, this is a real prospect we have on our hands here, just so impressive all aspects of his game and his temperament and composure too. Tough one tomorrow against the very experienced Ben Mertens but will make it a good contest if he maintains his level.



  • Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭FR01


    Great prospect is young Leone, it’s obvious that he’s being guided well and looked after by the right snooker people. Some would have questioned why he played in Q School when he hasn’t really apart from the junior tour established himself as a top player in Ireland yet but there is absolutely no substitute for match practice leading into a tournament.

    Am I correct in saying there is two year tour card for the winner of the U18?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    No tour card for u/18, just for u/21 and the main men's event. Does get you a place in world champs qualifiers and maybe shoot out, i think. Big thing for Leone is moving to England last year, basing himself in one of best clubs in the country and visiting the academies in Sheffield regularly. Improvement in his game last 6/7 months alone is striking. That's the way to go i believe.

    1-0 up on mertens here. Great start.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    And mertens hits straight back with a 70 break. Formidable scoring power this lad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭FR01


    Mentens a class act and in the other half Davies is a fine player too, along with Leone there’s some great strength in this age group.



  • Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭FR01


    Agree 100%, there’s only so much a player can do in Ireland to improve and eventually you have to consider setting up in England.

    On the other hand I’ve always thought it best to dominate your home events, win your national c’ship , then win the world amateurs. Winning junior events is one thing but winning senior events another, Can Leone still travel over and enter tournaments in Ireland ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭FR01


    Lovely ton by Mertens there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Yeah, he's over and back all the time and has the full house of junior titles, from 16s to 21s. I'd say it's not for everybody, big decision to uproot your life at 15 but shows how dedicated and ambitious he is and also the necessary support and backing behind him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭FR01


    Certainly ambitious and as I mentioned earlier it appears he’s got the right support behind him. Would still like to see him win a couple of senior events in Ireland just to prove that he can actually compete and win outside of the junior scene.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Wins the tight frame to square it 2-2. I think mertens for all his superior scoring power isn't so good when he's forced to grind a bit more. No silly mistakes and he can definitely be taken here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Jesus, what a frame he's played there! Absolutely outstanding. 3-2 ahead and on the cusp of a place in the final.



  • Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭FR01


    Should finish this off here now, table seems slow also so hopefully it will play better for the final



  • Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭FR01


    What a blue to miss by Mertens, well played young Crowley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Interesting to see who he meets in final: Kazakov or Davies. Davies is a huge scorer like mertens, better long term prospect I'd say while Kazakov is a real grinder who won his tour card at the WSF champs earlier this year. I'd fancy Leone against him, though, if he reproduces that kind of form. No reason to fear anyone at this stage really!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Liam Davies it is then, only probably the most hyped young player in the game right now. Well, it's not supposed to get any easier, is it? And Leone straight back into table to play his opening u/21 group match and presumably the 18s final soon as he finishes that. Pretty demanding schedule it has to be said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Not surprised to see him lose his 21s match, that was just rotten scheduling to be fair. Now has probably 20 minutes to freshen up for 18s final, tough enough ask that. And ironically, having already lost to Davies in the 18s group stages, he'll be playing him again in the 21s this evening and will have to win to stay in the competition. He'll be in need of a good sleep tonight whatever happens!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Got a bit out of jail there to take the opening frame. Start he wanted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Third frame bit of a catalogue of disasters, first palpable sign of nerves. Quite understandable really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Well that's fcking cruel, a mm away from laying a brilliant snooker and then Davies flukes the red to set up the frame having required 2 snookers at one point. All to do now and gonna need some better luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Well, defeat in the end but no shame in it, Davies probably the best junior in the world right now or certainly very close. Absolute joy watching Leone these past few days, big future ahead of him on this evidence. And still 2 u/21 matches to play today, if he can fit them in, and u-16s starting tomorrow too. Going to be knackered at the end of all this!



  • Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭FR01


    Fine margins always the case in these best of seven matches. All credit to young Crowley but Davies imo always had a little but more than him.

    However there’s plenty of snooker left for him this week for him to come away with a title.


    He’s obviously a great talent and has dominated the Irish junior scene this season but I’m still convinced that he would benefit greatly playing more senior events in Ireland and who knows maybe dethrone current national champion Brendan O’Donaghue next season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Leone wins his last U21 group match but it's not enough to qualify for KO stages. Dont think schedule really gave him much chance anyway, figure he's played close to 25 frames today, must be absolutely knackered. Good sleep and hopefully ready to go again for U16s tomorrow. Might even get another crack at Davies after 3 defeats to him in past two days!

    Ross Bulman safely through to KO stage with 3 wins out of 3. Alex Currid from Wexford and Cavans Aaron Goldrick have also qualified so well done to them. Currid had a good win over Robbie McGuigan so good performances all round.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,548 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Thanks for the updates, Joe. Really useful to know the story of what's happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    No worries, just glad there's some interest around anyway!

    Unfortunately, no luck for Ross Bulman with the draw tomorrow. Win first match and then very likely got Ben Mertens and Liam Davies just to reach sf. Gonna have to have the day of his life to get through all that, I'd say.



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