Demon's Souls - PS5

gimli2112 · 01-10-2020 9:07am

I never had a major issue with farming consumables in BB, it certainly wasn't through lack of dying. You have such a healthy supply of them in stock anyway once you get into the game you don't really run out

BigGpu380 · 01-10-2020 9:32am

I do prefer estus flask but idk, I think the challenge of having to manage resources really depends on patience too.

Retr0gamer · 01-10-2020 9:58am

BigGpu380 wrote: »

I do prefer estus flask but idk, I think the challenge of having to manage resources really depends on patience too.

Farming resources is always bad and not resource management.

I remember my time playing DeS and going back to 1-2 time and time again to farm for healing items. That's not good gameplay or resource management. Same in Bloodborne to a lesser extent. Estus was an elegant and brilliant way of tackling this issue. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing it introduced to DeS, although doing so you could argue would change the original game.

Markitron · 01-10-2020 10:03am

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Farming resources is always bad and not resource management.

I remember my time playing DeS and going back to 1-2 time and time again to farm for healing items. That's not good gameplay or resource management. Same in Bloodborne to a lesser extent. Estus was an elegant and brilliant way of tackling this issue. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing it introduced to DeS, although doing so you could argue would change the original game.

Yea in BB it was an irritant for 3 or 4 hours, and then became completely irrelevant, it was not exactly stellar game design. I wonder if Bluepoint have the stones to add some form of Estus into Demon's Souls.

gimli2112 · 01-10-2020 10:30am

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Farming resources is always bad and not resource management.

I thought HZD was particularly bad here. You'd get access to an upgraded sling but then discover you needed a goose feather to buy it from the vendor and spend the next hour trying to find a goose out in the wild that would actually drop one.

Retr0gamer · 01-10-2020 10:44am

Farming is just skinner box psychology and not game design. I would believe the farming in DeS and Bloosborne was a result of just the designers making poor design decisions that didn't work out as expected while HZD is just out and out blatant bad game design.

F1ngers · 22-10-2020 9:57pm

Available to pre-order.

Just pre-ordered the €80 version.
https://store.playstation.com/en-ie/product/EP9000-PPSA01341_00-DEMONSSOULS00000

Zero-Cool · 23-10-2020 12:34am

F1ngers wrote: »

Available to pre-order.

Just pre-ordered the €80 version.
https://store.playstation.com/en-ie/product/EP9000-PPSA01341_00-DEMONSSOULS00000

So weird that link doesn't work for me and can't search any ps5 or coming soon on my phone website.

F1ngers · 23-10-2020 1:00am

Zero-Cool wrote: »

So weird that link doesn't work for me and can't search any ps5 or coming soon on my phone website.

Here's the coming soon section: https://store.playstation.com/en-ie/category/be9cf690-90de-4772-b09e-b327fc82c5c5/1, Demon's Souls is in the 5th row down.

Zero-Cool · 23-10-2020 2:40am

F1ngers wrote: »

Here's the coming soon section: https://store.playstation.com/en-ie/category/be9cf690-90de-4772-b09e-b327fc82c5c5/1, Demon's Souls is in the 5th row down.

That just brings me to generic homepage with days gone banner. Switched to desktop site and the same. Searching demon's souls only shows ps3 version.

Ah tried Firefox instead of Chrome and i can see it now

F1ngers · 23-10-2020 4:48am

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Ah tried Firefox instead of Chrome and i can see it now

Weird, I only use chrome.

shrewdness · 23-10-2020 11:28am

When I seen this revealed, I thought it looked unreal, but I'd never played a Souls game and all I've heard is how brutal they are. I happened to have Bloodborne downloaded from it being a PS Plus game a while back, but didn't do much more than play a half hour or so, get killed a bunch, and then I just left it and moved on.

Recently I gave it another go, and after an hour or so of constantly dying and not making it past that first bonfire, I actually really got into it. Once I found some of the shortcuts and got the hang of the combat more, I began to enjoy it alot. Still very challenging and there's alot with the game that I'm just learning as I go, but I'm a handful of bosses into it now and liking it.

Is it fair to say I'd like Demons Souls if I'm enjoying Bloodborne? I've read Bloodborne is a faster pace than the Souls games.

Retr0gamer · 23-10-2020 11:56am

shrewdness wrote: »

When I seen this revealed, I thought it looked unreal, but I'd never played a Souls game and all I've heard is how brutal they are. I happened to have Bloodborne downloaded from it being a PS Plus game a while back, but didn't do much more than play a half hour or so, get killed a bunch, and then I just left it and moved on.

Recently I gave it another go, and after an hour or so of constantly dying and not making it past that first bonfire, I actually really got into it. Once I found some of the shortcuts and got the hang of the combat more, I began to enjoy it alot. Still very challenging and there's alot with the game that I'm just learning as I go, but I'm a handful of bosses into it now and liking it.

Is it fair to say I'd like Demons Souls if I'm enjoying Bloodborne? I've read Bloodborne is a faster pace than the Souls games.

Bloodborne is faster paced in combat but the DeS and Dark Souls games still have very technical combat, just slower and better RPG mechanics. They also retain the labyrinthian level design of bloodborne. You'll like it.

shrewdness · 23-10-2020 1:19pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Bloodborne is faster paced in combat but the DeS and Dark Souls games still have very technical combat, just slower and better RPG mechanics. They also retain the labyrinthian level design of bloodborne. You'll like it.

Cheers, going to pick it up some time after launch so, looking forward to experiencing it for the first time in next gen!

23-10-2020 10:04pm

€80 for standard edition - is the the next gen normal game price?

daheadonu · 24-10-2020 8:08am

glasso wrote: »

€80 for standard edition - is the the next gen normal game price?

pretty much,it's abit hard to stomach tbh when you think of season passes etc.

Will be buying off turkish/indonesian stores this generation most of the time.

sniper_samurai · 24-10-2020 10:28am

daheadonu wrote: »

pretty much,it's abit hard to stomach tbh when you think of season passes etc.

Will be buying off turkish/indonesian stores this generation most of the time.

Prices seem to have gone up on the Indonesian store. Demon's Souls is working out at €56, about €2 cheaper than what it costs in the US store.

daheadonu · 24-10-2020 11:21pm

sniper_samurai wrote:

Prices seem to have gone up on the Indonesian store. Demon's Souls is working out at â‚¬56, about â‚¬2 cheaper than what it costs in the US store.

It's not as cheap as you could get some games this gen but I'll happy to pay those prices considering the alternative.

I've always found the Turkish PSN store to be cheaper tbh

25-10-2020 2:37pm

daheadonu wrote: »

pretty much,it's abit hard to stomach tbh when you think of season passes etc.

Will be buying off turkish/indonesian stores this generation most of the time.

at those prices there's likely to be more one-console exclusives and long delays to pc.

shrewdness · 29-10-2020 2:02pm

johnny_ultimate · 29-10-2020 4:34pm

The game looks stunning. I’ve said before I do not believe this generation will be a major leap in graphical fidelity simply because games already routinely look so great. But if this is a taster of what we can look forward, we’ll have some very, very beautiful next-gen games nonetheless.

Zero-Cool · 30-10-2020 11:33pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foayUS5xlSg

Ganzerwika · 01-11-2020 9:24pm

This is dead no one is going to be smart to hand up there pre orders!! If anything there going to sell them on.

P.s. shops getting extra stock in on the day !

Niska · 03-11-2020 3:33pm

It has over 180 game help videos via the PS5 OS :

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-11-03-demons-souls-on-ps5-has-over-180-game-help-videos

Wonder are half of them 'Git gud'.

Markitron · 03-11-2020 3:57pm

Niska wrote: »

It has over 180 game help videos via the PS5 OS :

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-11-03-demons-souls-on-ps5-has-over-180-game-help-videos

Wonder are half of them 'Git gud'.

Can think of no better game for them

Mr Crispy · 05-11-2020 3:30pm

Details on the game's character creator and photo mode can be found on the PS Blog.

Retr0gamer · 05-11-2020 4:53pm

Mr Crispy wrote: »

Details on the game's character creator and photo mode can be found on the PS Blog.

If the best character you can make isn't a disgusting monstrosity then it's not demon's souls.

Mr Crispy · 05-11-2020 6:24pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

If the best character you can make isn't a disgusting monstrosity then it's not demon's souls.

They seem to be going for a more human-looking human approach this time.

heebusjeebus · 11-11-2020 10:51am

When can we expect reviews to start coming out or this?

Markitron · 11-11-2020 10:51am

heebusjeebus wrote: »

When can we expect reviews to start coming out or this?

Today I would say

johnny_ultimate · 11-11-2020 11:57am

As technically stunning as the game looks, I’d definitely share some of the concerns I’ve read online about Bluepoint’s liberal tinkering with the game’s art style. They’re unwilling to tweak the gameplay at all, but are all in with in some cases massively overhauled art assets. I do think Shadow of the Colossus, while undoubtedly impressive, did lose some of that unmistakable Ueda character in translation... and that looks to be the case here too.

Still excited about playing the game at 60FPS given the original felt stuck together with sellotape. But there’s certainly a note of caution to be sounded about how the game’s looks and sounds have been significantly altered beyond the original vision. Which is particularly noteworthy when the core gameplay remains seemingly totally unaltered.

FlubberJones · 11-11-2020 12:08pm

When I eventually get the console (didn't preorder, so I'll have to wait) I'll 100% be playing this. I did clear the first one but it was a draining challenge and with the game being so bleak looking it didn't help. Now that it seems a whole lot brighter and more detailed I'm guessing the "dreariness" of the game may not be so bad. I know I'll regret these words when I meet that B*STARD Flamelurker but hey... at least he'll look great!

Markitron · 11-11-2020 12:20pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

As technically stunning as the game looks, I’d definitely share some of the concerns I’ve read online about Bluepoint’s liberal tinkering with the game’s art style. They’re unwilling to tweak the gameplay at all, but are all in with in some cases massively overhauled art assets. I do think Shadow of the Colossus, while undoubtedly impressive, did lose some of that unmistakable Ueda character in translation... and that looks to be the case here too.

Yea I get that concern, but IMO a visual update this massive requires a little creative freedom in a way that the gameplay does not.

heebusjeebus · 11-11-2020 12:30pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

As technically stunning as the game looks, I’d definitely share some of the concerns I’ve read online about Bluepoint’s liberal tinkering with the game’s art style. They’re unwilling to tweak the gameplay at all, but are all in with in some cases massively overhauled art assets. I do think Shadow of the Colossus, while undoubtedly impressive, did lose some of that unmistakable Ueda character in translation... and that looks to be the case here too.

Still excited about playing the game at 60FPS given the original felt stuck together with sellotape. But there’s certainly a note of caution to be sounded about how the game’s looks and sounds have been significantly altered beyond the original vision. Which is particularly noteworthy when the core gameplay remains seemingly totally unaltered.

They have changed some of the gameplay though, like adding omnidirectional rolling.

Markitron · 11-11-2020 12:38pm

heebusjeebus wrote: »

They have changed some of the gameplay though, like adding omnidirectional rolling.

That one was pretty much universally requested tbf, no one is complaining about that.

Zero-Cool · 11-11-2020 5:00pm

Gameriot with Part 1 of his playthrough. It looks so good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yIp5UpsL0

Retr0gamer · 11-11-2020 5:06pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Still excited about playing the game at 60FPS given the original felt stuck together with sellotape.

But is it really a souls game if it doesn't have a poisoned swamp area that tanks the framerate to single digits?

Markitron · 11-11-2020 5:11pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

But is it really a souls game if it doesn't have a poisoned swamp area that tanks the framerate to single digits?

You jest but I'm willing to bet any amount of money that there are some hardcore nutjobs out there that think the Valley of Defilement loses its 'charm' just because it doesn't run like teletext anymore.

Arcadeheroes · 11-11-2020 7:01pm

Blue point are an incredible studio , but I have always question them changing and tinkering with art assets since they they were in charge with the remake of Shadow of Colossus. Of course , its amazing to play these beloved games in 60fps , but them changing key art assets , changes the mood of the games entirely and makes it feel like a different game altogether.

Despite how I feel about them adding new animations in Demons Souls Remake to make it feel more modern to what people expect from a game in 2020 , I am not for any of the Enemy / Npc changes they have done to the game . Everything feels off with this remake .

Even the music score does not feel Souls like , and if someone wanted to use the OG music , its behind a paywall ?

I am still planning on buying this game , but at this point , I much prefer Blue Point Making their own games and leave these Iconic games alone .

I would be super terrified if they were ever given the green light to remake ICO

shrewdness · 11-11-2020 7:17pm

Digital Foundry going in depth here::

Zero-Cool · 11-11-2020 8:42pm

Great chat with the bluepoint devs. Great to hear their thoughts on Cinematic mode vs performance mode. Cinematic being full 4k at 30fps while performance is 1440p at 60fps. Devs said it's very hard to see the difference in resolution even on a big tv but if you go from 60fps to 30fps, you will notice a big difference.

Think I'll be sticking to performance.

Retr0gamer · 11-11-2020 9:09pm

1440p but the ps5 can't do 1440p?

Zero-Cool · 11-11-2020 9:17pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

1440p but the ps5 can't do 1440p?

Went back and listened again

"It's a dynamic 4k Based on a 1440p base generated frame that gets temporarily combined into a 4k frame buffer and you get full 4k ui". An example was the character character creation in performance mode will be 4k 60fps but the resolution drops when you get to gameplay.

Markitron · 12-11-2020 9:46am

Retr0gamer wrote: »

1440p but the ps5 can't do 1440p?

All of Naughty Dog's games run at 1440p on the Pro and that doesn't have a 1440p output either, it's actually quite common to wrap 1440p in a 4K output. I am expecting pretty much every 120 fps mode on PS5 to run at either 1080p or 1440p.

petes · 14-11-2020 11:47am

See it's reviewing well

Arrived yesterday and was always getting it as have played all the soulsbourne games except this.

Still good to see good reviews.

Mr Crispy · 14-11-2020 11:57am

petes wrote: »

See it's reviewing well

Arrived yesterday and was always getting it as have played all the soulsbourne games except this.

Still good to see good reviews.

Yeah, the only complaints I've seen so far are similar to the ones levelled at Bluepoint's Shadow of the Colossus i.e. it loses some of the "charm" that the older visuals had. Having not played the original, that won't matter to me at all!

All_in_Flynn · 15-11-2020 4:33pm

This is getting some really excellent reviews now.

I've never played any of the Souls games and have been on the fence as to whether or not to play this first on the PS5 but with the ultra positive reviews I've decided that I'm going to make this my launch title game.

biggebruv · 19-11-2020 12:42am

All_in_Flynn wrote: »

This is getting some really excellent reviews now.

I've never played any of the Souls games and have been on the fence as to whether or not to play this first on the PS5 but with the ultra positive reviews I've decided that I'm going to make this my launch title game.

Your in for a lemon drop with the difficulty if this is your first experience with a souls game hope you know that

johnny_ultimate · 19-11-2020 12:47am

It’s nearly exactly 11 years since my copy of Demon’s Souls PS3 arrived from the US (actually Canada). At the time it was a niche oddity gaining a small cult following due to some positive word of mouth and reviews. Absolutely mad in hindsight that the same game is the big blockbuster launch title for the PS5.

Kirby · 19-11-2020 4:10pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

It’s nearly exactly 11 years since my copy of Demon’s Souls PS3 arrived from the US (actually Canada). At the time it was a niche oddity gaining a small cult following due to some positive word of mouth and reviews. Absolutely mad in hindsight that the same game is the big blockbuster launch title for the PS5.

Did the EXACT same thing. An imported version from Canada. Was my first taste of souls.

Demon's Souls - PS5

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