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Rock on, Rockall! (it's back)

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  • #202
    Atoms for Peace
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    What are they? Sopwith Camel biplanes? :D

    Ah come on, we did have Hurricanes and Spitfires at one stage.


  • #203
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,512 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    Ah come on, we did have Hurricanes and Spitfires at one stage.

    Given the level of investment, they probably still have them.


  • #204
    Fiery mutant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    Do the Scots think they are China or something?? Trying to claim some Rock that’s 240km off their coast. Hell its closer to Donegal than it is to Scotland.

    ****in idiots, the whole world is gone to ****.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • #205
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    We could call up the RAF to go and have a look at it for us, it's who we call for help whenever Russian military aircraft enter our controlled airspace off our west coat anyway, which happens now and again. Or else get our navy to go and have a look, they will be back on duty again after the weekend.


  • #206
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    janfebmar wrote: »
    We could call up the RAF to go and have a look at it for us, it's who we call for help whenever Russian military aircraft enter our controlled airspace off our west coat anyway, which happens now and again. Or else get our navy to go and have a look, they will be back on duty again after the weekend.

    You think it's protocol for the Irish state to ask HMG to scramble RAF jets?

    I do recall an incident where the RAF intercepted Russian planes in Irish airspace without informing anyone whatever. The IAA were not informed and neither were civilian ATC.


  • #207
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Would a Leo Photo Shoot on Rockall fix this problem ! Leo's fix for everything .

    Anything to be said for another Leo Photo Shoot .


  • #208
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    The Scots might want to sort out their own jurisdiction before they get into expansionist mode. That fisheries spokesman sounded like some Tory, probably a Laird Herringsbottom or something.
    What's the plan I wonder, playing leapfrog to Canada? Someone read something about a huge whale and cod industry in the North Atlantic? Maybe this is the real purpose of Trumps visit, to reunite with his mother's homeplace.

    We'll watch for the Danes and the Icelanders to get in on the act now.


  • #209
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    janfebmar wrote: »
    We could call up the RAF to go and have a look at it for us, it's who we call for help whenever Russian military aircraft enter our controlled airspace off our west coat anyway, which happens now and again. Or else get our navy to go and have a look, they will be back on duty again after the weekend.

    You could emigrate there j since you love all things British. There’s also that part of British Ireland which is about 100 miles away from you.

    Like people who loved communism in the west during the Cold War though there’s no desire to live in communist societies, in fact the flow is the other way.


  • #210
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    lawred2 wrote: »
    You think it's protocol for the Irish state to ask HMG to scramble RAF jets?

    I do recall an incident where the RAF intercepted Russian planes in Irish airspace without informing anyone whatever. The IAA were not informed and neither were civilian ATC.

    Unlike the Russian planes, the raf planes scrambled to intercept the Russian planes had their transponders switched on.


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  • #211
    recedite
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    Conchir wrote: »
    Saw this on the RTE news story. “The rocky outcrop lies around 230 nautical miles northwest of Donegal and 240 miles west of Scotland.”

    230 nautical miles is over 260 miles. A harmless bit of journalism, or intentionally misleading?
    fryup wrote: »
    can't why RTE are stirring the pot on this? on STV news this was the fourth lead story


    Its a strange one. RTE deploying fake news, beating the nationalistic drum, stirring up "populism". Why?


    One possible explanation is that the Scottish and Irish govts are complicit in this. Trying to engineer a controversy, and RTE are in on it.
    We know that there's a couple of months before the whole Brexit thing kicks in again. When it resumes, it could go either way - hard "No Deal" Brexit or no Brexit at all.

    We know Brexit is least popular in Scotland and Ireland.
    We know the Irish strategy has been to thwart Brexit. By using "The Backstop argument" which is largely based on generating fear about possible future instability in NI.

    We know that the argument against Brexit that resonated most effectively abroad was the threat of violence breaking out in NI (largely because people weren't in a position to assess how realistic that threat was).


    With Brexit teetering on a knife edge, would the fear of Hard Brexit sparking a minor war between Ireland and Scotland be enough to tip the balance? CT or not, watch this space...


  • #212
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    You could emigrate there j since you love all things British. There’s also that part of British Ireland which is about 100 miles away from you.

    Like people who loved communism during the Cold War though there’s no desire to live in communist societies, in fact the flow is the other way.

    I do not actually love all things British, I try to see the good and bad in everything and to be fair. No danger of me fleeing my country , although a lot of other Irish people have over the decades.


  • #213
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    recedite wrote: »
    Its a strange one. RTE deploying fake news, beating the nationalistic drum, stirring up "populism". Why?


    One possible explanation is that the Scottish and Irish govts are complicit in this. Trying to engineer a controversy, and RTE are in on it.
    We know that there's a couple of months before the whole Brexit thing kicks in again. When it resumes, it could go either way - hard "No Deal" Brexit or no Brexit at all.

    We know Brexit is least popular in Scotland and Ireland.
    We know the Irish strategy has been to thwart Brexit. By using "The Backstop argument" which is largely based on generating fear about possible future instability in NI.

    We know that the argument against Brexit that resonated most effectively abroad was the threat of violence breaking out in NI (largely because people weren't in a position to assess how realistic that threat was).


    With Brexit teetering on a knife edge, would the fear of Hard Brexit sparking a minor war between Ireland and Scotland be enough to tip the balance? CT or not, watch this space...
    I notice this past while RTE, seeing as you mention them, are beating the nationalist drum (as you call it) with a lot of nationalistic programming. It is quite obvious, but not surprising I suppose considering the amount of northeners in rte now.


  • #214
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    janfebmar wrote: »
    I do not actually love all things British, I try to see the good and bad in everything and to be fair. No danger of me fleeing my country , although a lot of other Irish people have over the decades.

    lol. You are never pro Irish and always pro British. You clearly are also however, like a lot of the self hating Irish, reluctant to leave.


  • #215
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Unlike the Russian planes, the raf planes scrambled to intercept the Russian planes had their transponders switched on.

    Did 'we' ask them 'for help'? As per your original self loathing claim?


  • #216
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    recedite wrote: »
    Its a strange one. RTE deploying fake news, beating the nationalistic drum, stirring up "populism". Why?


    One possible explanation is that the Scottish and Irish govts are complicit in this. Trying to engineer a controversy, and RTE are in on it.
    We know that there's a couple of months before the whole Brexit thing kicks in again. When it resumes, it could go either way - hard "No Deal" Brexit or no Brexit at all.

    We know Brexit is least popular in Scotland and Ireland.
    We know the Irish strategy has been to thwart Brexit. By using "The Backstop argument" which is largely based on generating fear about possible future instability in NI.

    We know that the argument against Brexit that resonated most effectively abroad was the threat of violence breaking out in NI (largely because people weren't in a position to assess how realistic that threat was).


    With Brexit teetering on a knife edge, would the fear of Hard Brexit sparking a minor war between Ireland and Scotland be enough to tip the balance? CT or not, watch this space...

    So RTE are influencing Brexit by talking about Rockall and this will influence Scotland to be more antagonistic towards Brexit even though they don’t watch RTE and even though the jurisdiction issue will be same whether the U.K. remains in the EU, or Scotland remains in the U.K.

    Cool story. It’s all the northerners.


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  • #217
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    lol. You are never pro Irish .
    You are confusing Republicanism and Irishness. Big mistake.


  • #218
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Did 'we' ask them 'for help'? As per your original self loathing claim?

    The ff goverment made an agreement with them following the 9/11 attacks, it slipped out in the Dail. They do not like talking about it though.


  • #219
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    janfebmar wrote: »
    You are confusing Republicanism and Irishness. Big mistake.

    Nah...hes not mate


    Your running away from discussion by screaming republicanism.at anyome who questions yous


  • #220
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    _blaaz wrote: »
    Nah...hes not mate


    Even though you stalk me from thread to thread, and insist on calling me mate, I am not your mate. You have been called out on it before.


  • #221
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Even though you stalk me from thread to thread, and insist on calling me mate, I am not your mate. You have been called out on it before.

    I guess its a different way of running away from discussion than your usual tactic of screaming republican at anyone who questions you



    Where have you called anyone out on it?


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  • #222
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    So RTE are influencing Brexit by talking about Rockall and this will influence Scotland to be more antagonistic towards Brexit even though they don’t watch RTE and even though the jurisdiction issue will be same whether the U.K. remains in the EU, or Scotland remains in the U.K.
    Cool story. It’s all the northerners.
    That's a spectacular misunderstanding of my post. I'm suggesting the possibility of some conspiracy between Scottish administration and RoI at govt level, with RTE participating or being leaked to. NI not involved.

    Yeah, maybe its a CT, maybe not. Keep an open mind on it.


  • #223
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    Fiery mutant wrote: »
    Do the Scots think they are China or something?? Trying to claim some Rock that’s 240km off their coast. Hell its closer to Donegal than it is to Scotland.

    ****in idiots, the whole world is gone to ****.


    It's closer to Scotland than Ireland. And as far as I know, both Scotland and Ireland have a claim on it.


  • #224
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    Ah come on, we did have Hurricanes and Spitfires at one stage.

    Apparently we had French Fouga Magister trainer jets, and that one (with ejection seats) was on trial about 1971 and it allegedly collided with the tail of EI-AOM over Wexford. It is said both pilots ejected, but the Viscount went down at Tuskar Rock, and that the Irish government silenced it.


  • #225
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Achasanai wrote: »
    It's closer to Scotland than Ireland.

    So, it's a far off uninhabitable island.

    To claim such a rock is purely for economic benefit. Should countries claim the artic? Ireland isn't claiming it.


  • #226
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    In summary, Brexit has been thwarted so far by the Irish government's deployment of The Backstop. That relies on one thing - the threat or the possibility of violence and instability resuming in NI.


    However Brexit has not yet been defeated, it has only been postponed.
    Next October will be crunch time. Both Ireland and Scotland would dearly love to see it buried completely.
    If "tensions" were to build up over the summer between Ireland and Scotland, that would be like a second string for The Backstop bow.


    Most people in England have very little grasp of how realistic any of these things are, so they tend to err on the side of caution.


  • #227
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,198 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I laughed at the threats from Scotland. A country who refused their own sovereignty.


  • #228
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    If we can move Statues surely we can move Rockall . Its just a few miles in the wrong place if we are honest .

    No need for the Scots to be getting Or-nery about it mind .

    Ya’d think they would separate from the Sasanachs before squaring up to us . We won’t take them serious until they do .


  • #229
    Phileas Frog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 946 ✭✭✭Phileas Frog


    Brandog wrote: »
    The Scots are not independent and therefore cannot set their own policy's much.

    They are independent when it comes to this, and they have 3 fishery protection vessels - which don't appear to be armed but I'm not sure.


  • #230
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Phileas Frog wrote: »
    They are independent when it comes to this, and they have 3 fishery protection vessels - which don't appear to be armed but I'm not sure.

    Independent is the wrong word. They have certain responsibilities devolved from London. However, defence is not devolved.


  • #231
    Balanadan
    Site Banned Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Balanadan


    Phileas Frog wrote: »
    They are independent when it comes to this, and they have 3 fishery protection vessels - which don't appear to be armed but I'm not sure.

    Give the IRA some naval vessels and we'll see what they try then!


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  • #232
    [Deleted User]
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    Balanadan wrote: »
    Give the IRA some naval vessels and we'll see what they try then!

    Mostly likely a coast guard search and rescue event.


  • #233
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So, it's a far off uninhabitable island.

    To claim such a rock is purely for economic benefit. Should countries claim the artic? Ireland isn't claiming it.


    I always assumed that Ireland had claimed it as well. Would agree on it being an uninhabited island that nobody should have a claim to.


  • #234
    Phileas Frog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 946 ✭✭✭Phileas Frog


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Independent is the wrong word. They have certain responsibilities devolved from London. However, defence is not devolved.

    This has nothing to do with defence. This is fishery protection, which is devolved


  • #235
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Balanadan wrote: »
    Give the IRA some naval vessels and we'll see what they try then!

    Seeing as Gerry has retired and was never in the IRA , I wonder would Mary Lou be interested in being an admiral.
    Bearing in mind SF appears to be sinking after the recent local elections out colleague who suggested coastguard and search and rescue is probably right.


  • #236
    [Deleted User]
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    Phileas Frog wrote: »
    This has nothing to do with defence. This is fishery protection, which is devolved

    And when it escalates reference Cod Wars.


  • #237
    Stanford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Stanford


    I feel a Christy Moore song coming on


  • #238
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Stanford wrote: »
    I feel a Christy Moore song coming on
    They can make me throw up alright !


  • #239
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Seeing as Gerry has retired and was never in the IRA , I wonder would Mary Lou be interested in being an admiral.
    .

    The shinners are good at airbrushing, maybe they could airbrush the map a bit (instead of Mary lous face) so that Rockall is closer to Ireland than Britain?


  • #240
    Phileas Frog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 946 ✭✭✭Phileas Frog


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And when it escalates reference Cod Wars.

    Then Scotland is bollixed.


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  • #241
    [Deleted User]
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    Phileas Frog wrote: »
    Then Scotland is bollixed.

    Considering it's disputed territories it's going to be messy. Scotland may see it as a fisheries issue. Ireland not so much.


  • #242
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Considering it's disputed territories it's going to be messy. Scotland may see it as a fisheries issue. Ireland not so much.

    Cannot really see why it should be disputed when (a) it is closer to them, (b) they owned it before we could ever have an intetest in it (c) they had inhabitants on it, albeit for only months at a time


  • #243
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Stanford wrote: »
    I feel a Christy Moore song coming on

    oh no, thats all we need


  • #244
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Wasn’t Ray D’arcy going to leave Ireland if Enda Kenny became Taoiseach .

    The bloody least he can do is spend 6 months on Rockall .


  • #245
    [Deleted User]
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Cannot really see why it should be disputed when (a) it is closer to them, (b) they owned it before we could ever have an intetest in it (c) they had inhabitants on it, albeit for only months at a time

    How do they own it ? They say dibs first?


  • #246
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Deleted User wrote: »
    How do they own it

    They put the flag on it before Mary Lou thought of paddling out to it in a rubber boat.


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  • #247
    [Deleted User]
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    They put the flag on it before Mary Lou thought of paddling out to it in a rubber boat.

    Flags have been put down in the artic as well. What does the U.N. say about it?

    Edit... "British imperial ambitions were set back by international ratification of the UN convention on the law of the sea (Unclos) in 1982, which states that: “Rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf.”

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/who-owns-rockall-a-history-of-disputes-over-a-tiny-atlantic-island-1.3919668

    Far from clear cut. So, while your assertion the disputed area is British, I'm inclined to disagree.


  • #248
    its_steve116
    Registered Users Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭its_steve116


    Phileas Frog wrote: »
    Then Scotland is bollixed.

    No, it's bollocksed.


  • #249
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Flags have been out down in the artic as well. What does the U.N. say about it?

    The same as Achill was claimed by Mayo, Rockall was claimed by Britain long before the UN was thought of.


  • #250
    [Deleted User]
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    The same as Achill was claimed by Mayo, Rockall was claimed by Britain long before the UN was thought of.

    Did you read the article? The UK submitted its claim in 2009. The EU was around before that I'm sure.


  • #251
    [Deleted User]
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    Achasanai wrote: »
    It's closer to Scotland than Ireland. And as far as I know, both Scotland and Ireland have a claim on it.
    Iceland and the Faroes do also.

    My solution: have a few non-EU asylum seekers give birth in the waters off Rockall. The Brits and the Scots will quickly drop away, and the islet (and its gas) shall be ours! ours! ours!


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