Belfast rape trial discussion thread II

NAGDEFI · 12-04-2018 5:46pm

Poster ArthurDayne has requested we only post helpfull posts.

I think the cat is well and truly out of the bag Arthur and even the most well meaning, altruistic poster is unable to come up with some verbal garbage that will prove helpfull to any parties at this point.

Anyone with any helpfull answers please send them by postcard to either Paddy Jackson, Belfast or Stuart Olding, Belfast.

Prizes include 3 free nights out in Ollies.

12-04-2018 5:46pm

jm08 wrote: »

''it takes a village to raise a child''
Hilary Clinton even wrote a book about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Takes_a_Village

You forgot to mention 'Respect' which is an integral part of rugby. Whether they like it or not, sports people are role models and that is one of the reason why they get sponsorship - people want to wear the same footwear as they do, drive the same cars, basicially copy what they do. People want selfies with them. You see them doing charity work, visiting kids hospitals - that is to portray a wholesome image as well as do some good.

That book has virtually nothing to do with role models and everything to do with how government policy effects Children. I could probably guess the words you put into google to get that as a result.

I agree that respect is an integral part of rugby. I'm sure Jackson has plenty of charitable work under his belt. I'm sure there are other rugby players that have done charity work that also have some pretty sordid stuff in their private communications. Respect their talent and attitude on the pitch, but don't be foolish and rely on these people to teach your kids anything about morality.

My kids hear the name Johnny Sexton and you have their immediate attention, but they learn how to respect women by seeing how much I respect their mom. By all accounts let your kids get the same boots, but encourage them to be their own person.

jm08 · 12-04-2018 5:48pm

upandcumming wrote: »

So they want all of these things? You still haven't told me why they are an authority though?

Just because they are campaigning for the elimination of sexual violence, have an agenda and a vision, it doesn't make them an authority on anything though. And I agree with them! I want an end to sexual violence.

Ronald McDonald probably has similar views on sexual violence, it doesn't make him an authority on anything other than Big Macs.

Sorry, I thought everyone knew what the Rape Crisis Centre did - there is a clue in the name.

Briefly, they actually deal with victims of sexual abuse. Have a look at their website - for instance, they have an advice section on 'reporting, the law and medical care'. They are considered the authority on sexual violence and are funded by Irish Government with centres all over the country.

http://www.rapecrisishelp.ie/

BBDBB · 12-04-2018 5:50pm

NAGDEFI wrote: »

Poster ArthurDayne has requested we only post helpfull posts.

I think the cat is well and truly out of the bag Arthur and even the most well meaning, altruistic poster is unable to come up with some verbal garbage that will prove helpfull to any parties at this point.

Anyone with any helpfull answers please send them by postcard to either Paddy Jackson, Belfast or Stuart Olding,Belfast.

Prizes include 3 free nights out in Ollies.

Seeing as we are going in that direction...

These lads are going to need some Equality and Diversity training

Id like to be the first to offer my services to run courses for everyone involved in rugby

"Role Modelling and How to do it"

encompassing

How to have fun without it turning into a merry go round
The correct way to extend an invitation to group sex so that no one is offended
Txting full disclosure like you mean it
How to dress for trial
How to apologise sincerely for being put through hell for two years
When does Not Guilty mean Guilty - OJ's law
Paying the price for your mistakes.... and for everyone elses too

Book now and get a free place for your kit man on our latest course " The Acceptable method for an underwear parade"

ArthurDayne · 12-04-2018 5:56pm

NAGDEFI wrote: »

Poster ArthurDayne has requested we only post helpfull posts.

I think the cat is well and truly out of the bag Arthur and even the most well meaning, altruistic poster is unable to come up with some verbal garbage that will prove helpfull to any parties at this point.

Anyone with any helpfull answers please send them by postcard to either Paddy Jackson, Belfast or Stuart Olding, Belfast.

Prizes include 3 free nights out in Ollies.

I don't like getting into these petty spats and I was in the process of responding to your previous comment, but I see you have since sent this further post. All I will say then is that I did not say that having a different opinion is unhelpful -- rather taking an absolutist stance is unhelpful. You have more or less confirmed how unhelpful it is with this strange post -- where you have read what I said, interpreted it a completely black-and-white way and put all sorts of words into my mouth.

I am more than happy to debate but it is quite impossible where you are quoting me for things I have neither explicitly nor implicitly said or suggested.

For the sake of other contributors here -- perhaps we should not respond to eachother as it is clear it will only descend into tit-for-tat commentary.

NAGDEFI · 12-04-2018 5:58pm

BBDBB wrote: »

Seeing as we are going in that direction...

These lads are going to need some Equality and Diversity training

Id like to be the first to offer my services to run courses for everyone involved in rugby

"Role Modelling and How to do it"

encompassing

How to have fun without it turning into a merry go round
The correct way to extend an invitation to group sex so that no one is offended
Txting full disclosure like you mean it
How to dress for trial
How to apologise sincerely for being put through hell for two years
When does Not Guilty mean Guilty - OJ's law
Paying the price for your mistakes.... and for everyone elses too

Book now and get a free place for your kit man on our latest course " The Acceptable method for an underwear parade"

And the bonus course for Paddy, apology timing. Not a week after your mate has done it and he was commended. You'd expect better from an international outhalf.

NAGDEFI · 12-04-2018 6:00pm

ArthurDayne wrote: »

I don't like getting into these petty spats and I was in the process of responding to your previous comment, but I see you have since sent this further post. All I will say then is that I did not say that having a different opinion is unhelpful -- rather taking an absolutist stance is unhelpful. You have more or less confirmed how unhelpful it is with this strange post -- where you have read what I said, interpreted it a completely black-and-white way and put all sorts of words into my mouth.

I am more than happy to debate but it is quite impossible where you are quoting me for things I have neither explicitly nor implicitly said or suggested.

For the sake of other contributors here -- perhaps we should not respond to eachother as it is clear it will only descend into tit-for-tat commentary.

Absolutist.. There are 2 options for the players over the summer tour and autumn. Either they are allowed play with Ireland or not. Any decision has to be absolutist.

jm08 · 12-04-2018 6:00pm

BBDBB wrote: »

How many Ireland caps has she won?

Willie John McBride has 63 (11 as captain)

I think he knows a bit more about the responsibility of playing for Ireland, what it means to wear the shirt and represent your country

I have to concede that in a court of law she probably has him beaten hands down, but the trial is over. Theres an internal investigation being conducted where Noeleens opinion counts for little and WJMc doesnt count for very much either

Willie John is old school. What rugby players got away with back in the 60s/70s, they wouldn't now (i.e., pissed drunk, smashing up hotels etc.). IRFU got it wrong over a tour to SA during apartheid as well. Willie John lead World XV as manager as late as 1989 during apartheid (I don't think there were any Irish players on it). He certainly didn't always got it right.

NAGDEFI · 12-04-2018 6:02pm

ArthurDayne wrote: »

I don't like getting into these petty spats and I was in the process of responding to your previous comment, but I see you have since sent this further post. All I will say then is that I did not say that having a different opinion is unhelpful -- rather taking an absolutist stance is unhelpful. You have more or less confirmed how unhelpful it is with this strange post -- where you have read what I said, interpreted it a completely black-and-white way and put all sorts of words into my mouth.

I am more than happy to debate but it is quite impossible where you are quoting me for things I have neither explicitly nor implicitly said or suggested.

For the sake of other contributors here -- perhaps we should not respond to eachother as it is clear it will only descend into tit-for-tat commentary.

Possibly a time could be allowed, a 2 year absence or something. But a decision has to be made Arthur. Don't worry i don't do tit for tat but didn't really understand what you meant.

jm08 · 12-04-2018 6:07pm

Deleted User wrote: »

That book has virtually nothing to do with role models and everything to do with how government policy effects Children. I could probably guess the words you put into google to get that as a result.

Its a well known proverb (of African origin used by Hilary Clinton).

I agree that respect is an integral part of rugby. I'm sure Jackson has plenty of charitable work under his belt. I'm sure there are other rugby players that have done charity work that also have some pretty sordid stuff in their private communications. Respect their talent and attitude on the pitch, but don't be foolish and rely on these people to teach your kids anything about morality.

The problem is that they are teaching kids about morality anyway by example - the wrong kind.

Whether they like it or not, their texts got into the public domain. They are not children anymore and would be influencers on younger / academy players in Ulster Rugby.

My kids hear the name Johnny Sexton and you have their immediate attention, but they learn how to respect women by seeing how much I respect their mom. By all accounts let your kids get the same boots, but encourage them to be their own person.

I bet PJ & his pals respect their mothers. But they have been able to objectify women, probably from watching porn.

Roger Hassenforder · 12-04-2018 6:14pm

jm08 wrote: »

''it takes a village to raise a child''
Hilary Clinton even wrote a book about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Takes_a_Village

.

What a truly bizzare and ironic reference in the context, of decrying the inappropriate behaviour of others...

BBDBB · 12-04-2018 6:15pm

jm08 wrote: »

Willie John is old school. What rugby players got away with back in the 60s/70s, they wouldn't now (i.e., pissed drunk, smashing up hotels etc.). IRFU got it wrong over a tour to SA during apartheid as well. Willie John lead World XV as manager as late as 1989 during apartheid (I don't think there were any Irish players on it). He certainly didn't always got it right.

so off to France with him? Exile is the only solution for bad boys after all. He'd like two weeks in the Dordogne an July if possible?

Willie John is old school, but he is enormously and rightly proud of his Ireland caps. If he is prepared to allow PJ and SO wear that shirt then thats a much weightier endorsement than the views of a lawyer who hasn't represented her country and doesnt sound like a rugby fan. (Could be wrong on that one)

jm08 · 12-04-2018 6:15pm

winteremerald wrote: »

Is this the same group that want Irish law changed due to a case in a foreign jurisdiction ?

I don't think so.

jm08 · 12-04-2018 6:22pm

BBDBB wrote: »

so off to France with him? Exile is the only solution for bad boys after all. He'd like two weeks in the Dordogne an July if possible?

Willie John is old school, but he is enormously and rightly proud of his Ireland caps. If he is prepared to allow PJ and SO wear that shirt then thats a much weightier endorsement than the views of a lawyer who hasn't represented her country and doesnt sound like a rugby fan. (Could be wrong on that one)

I always saw Willie John as more of a Lions legend than an Ireland one (winning a series in NZ would have been a big deal). He didn't win anything much with Ireland, so not a lot to be proud of there.

The rest is nonsense.

It would be interesting to know what Syd Miller thinks though.

jimmycrackcorm · 12-04-2018 6:24pm

jm08 wrote:

Noeleen Blackwell is a fairly distingushed career as a Human Rights lawer and as a former Director General of Free Legal Aid. You won't get away so easily dismissing her as a 'feminnazi', 'mob' or the usual stuff you use to try and denigrate people.

You can't say that she doesn't have bias or an agenda.

NAGDEFI wrote:

Exactly. So stop repeating the point that a twitterati group are forcing Jackson and Olding out of a job. It's not true. 2/3rds of the irish public don't want them representing Ireland. Not these twitter groups who have taken over the country, by all accounts.

2/3rds of the irish public haven't been asked and the outraged twitteratti are all we are hearing from.

Roger Hassenforder · 12-04-2018 6:30pm

jm08 wrote: »

I bet PJ & his pals respect their mothers. But they have been able to objectify women, probably from watching porn.

Respect is a two street. People must have respect for themselves.

How many times has Brian from Accounts Payable, or Andrew from Distribution and Logistics been passed up on, by the local talent in their rush to have a crack at the local sports stars, who themselves have been "objectified" by these lovely ladies, and to "be seen about town" with said sports star.

It happens in every sport, every walk of life, every socioeconomic demographic.

jm08 · 12-04-2018 6:35pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

You can't say that she doesn't have bias or an agenda.

Everyone has agenda (including you).

2/3rds of the irish public haven't been asked and the outraged twitteratti are all we are hearing from.

You think we should have a referendum on it then, do you?

Ms Blackwell is far from being an outraged twitteratti! Thats the last thing you will pin on her.

jm08 · 12-04-2018 6:38pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Respect is a two street. People must have respect for themselves.

Could not agree more.

How many times has Brian from Accounts Payable, or Andrew from Distribution and Logistics been passed up on, by the local talent in their rush to have a crack at the local sports stars, who themselves have been "objectified" by these lovely ladies, and to "be seen about town" with said sports star.

Plenty of sports stars manage to fight them off and lead lives like decent human beings.

It happens in every sport, every walk of life, every socioeconomic demographic.

That doesn't make it right.

mfceiling · 12-04-2018 6:49pm

NAGDEFI wrote: »

Exactly. So stop repeating the point that a twitterati group are forcing Jackson and Olding out of a job. It's not true. 2/3rds of the irish public don't want them representing Ireland.

Just would like a link to your status there that 2/3rds of the Irish public don't want them representing ireland.
I don't recall being asked to vote on this. Or any of my friends.
Just so we are clear there is an approximate number of around 6 million people on the entire island of Ireland. The figure you claim is therefore 4 million people who don't want them to play for Ireland. 4 million people.
So where did you get this figure?
It wasn't a twitter poll by any chance?

NAGDEFI · 12-04-2018 6:55pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

2/3rds of the irish public haven't been asked and the outraged twitteratti are all we are hearing from.

They have Jimmy in 2 independent polls of 1,000 people this week. Roughly 2/3 of the average man or woman on the street don't want the boys representing Ireland.

jm08 · 12-04-2018 6:55pm

mfceiling wrote: »

It wasn't a twitter poll by any chance?

I think the poll was one done by Amarach Research for Claire Byrne Live on RTE on whether they should play for Ireland. 1000 by telephone. Think it was 55% No, 26% Yes, Rest Undecided.

Amarach claim to be within a range of +/-3%.

NAGDEFI · 12-04-2018 6:58pm

mfceiling wrote: »

Just would like a link to your status there that 2/3rds of the Irish public don't want them representing ireland.
I don't recall being asked to vote on this. Or any of my friends.
Just so we are clear there is an approximate number of around 6 million people on the entire island of Ireland. The figure you claim is therefore 4 million people who don't want them to play for Ireland. 4 million people.
So where did you get this figure?
It wasn't a twitter poll by any chance?

Maybe you don't listen to Current Affairs programmes but 2 opinion polls of ordinary irish people, accurate 3% each way.

http://www.thejournal.ie/jackson-and-olding-poll-3949171-Apr2018/

NAGDEFI · 12-04-2018 6:59pm

mfceiling wrote: »

Just would like a link to your status there that 2/3rds of the Irish public don't want them representing ireland.
I don't recall being asked to vote on this. Or any of my friends.
Just so we are clear there is an approximate number of around 6 million people on the entire island of Ireland. The figure you claim is therefore 4 million people who don't want them to play for Ireland. 4 million people.
So where did you get this figure?
It wasn't a twitter poll by any chance?

I presume you've heard of representative polls mcfeckling? They ask people, just like you and your friends.

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2018 7:00pm

jm08 wrote: »

She was brought on to address Willie John McBride's comments.

Noeleen Blackwell is a fairly distingushed career as a Human Rights lawer and as a former Director General of Free Legal Aid. You won't get away so easily dismissing her as a 'feminnazi', 'mob' or the usual stuff you use to try and denigrate people.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/flac-boss-noeline-blackwell-to-move-to-rape-crisis-charity-1.2506804

I don't care who or what she is.

The item was introduced as a response to the new info.

She discussed that and then went on to rant, male responsibility and about male rugby.

If she was serious about her remit she would also address the responsibilities of women in staying safe.

She didn't.

Sardonicat · 12-04-2018 7:02pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If she was serious about her remit she would also address the responsibilities of women in staying safe.

She didn't.

Why don't you address it so? Tell me what my responsibility is in staying safe?

NAGDEFI · 12-04-2018 7:03pm

mfceiling wrote: »

Just would like a link to your status there that 2/3rds of the Irish public don't want them representing ireland.
I don't recall being asked to vote on this. Or any of my friends.
Just so we are clear there is an approximate number of around 6 million people on the entire island of Ireland. The figure you claim is therefore 4 million people who don't want them to play for Ireland. 4 million people.
So where did you get this figure?
It wasn't a twitter poll by any chance?

For one so opinionated you really need to keep abreast of current affairs. Opinions with no knowledge behind them, like your quotation, and mathematical deductions above are useless.

And again one doesn't have to be asked personally with regards to opinion polls. You have heard of political opinion polls being used for over a century haven't you?

Apart from knowing who Joe Schmidt is there's a whole world of knowledge out there.

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2018 7:06pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

Why don't you address it so? Tell me what my responsibility is in staying safe?

Discussed earlier in the thread.

And it isn't my 'remit/job' to prevent/reduce rape.

Silentcorner · 12-04-2018 7:10pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

Why don't you address it so? Tell me what my responsibility is in staying safe?

The safest thing you could do is not fall asleep for a start...

Sardonicat · 12-04-2018 7:11pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Discussed earlier in the thread.

And it isn't my 'remit/job' to prevent/reduce rape.

You seem to think it's women's

Faugheen · 12-04-2018 7:11pm

winteremerald wrote: »

Sardonicat wrote: »

Why don't you address it so? Tell me what my responsibility is in staying safe?

I would suggest not getting blind drunk and passing out in the street.

What if she's spiked? How would you know if this happened if you made flippant reactions like above?

I actually think some people here are just arguing for the sake of arguing. Every point that is made they've something non-substantial to respond with, and it eventually stems to victim blaming comments like above ^

tretorn · 12-04-2018 7:24pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

Why don't you address it so? Tell me what my responsibility is in staying safe?

Dare I be so bold as to advise you not get drunk and not to leave night clubs with strange men if you are plastered. Dont follow them up to their bedrooms because this might have them conclude that you are going somewhere private with them to do something that requires privacy. You will lose your inhibitions but thats the alcohols affect, you may then do something you regret but you cant call that rape.

Thats taking personal responsibility for your safety, you cant do anything about other peoples behaviour but you can change your own.

facehugger99 · 12-04-2018 7:29pm

tretorn wrote: »

Dare I be so bold as to advise you not get drunk and not to leave night clubs with strange men if you are plastered. Dont follow them up to their bedrooms because this might have them conclude that you are going somewhere private with them to do something that requires privacy. You will lose your inhibitions but thats the alcohols affect, you may then do something you regret but you cant call that rape.

Thats taking personal responsibility for your safety, you cant do anything about other peoples behaviour but you can change your own.

So, can I ask you George, do you you ever think you'll get your drivetime slot back on Newstalk?

B0jangles · 12-04-2018 7:32pm

tretorn wrote: »

Dare I be so bold as to advise you not get drunk and not to leave night clubs with strange men if you are plastered. Dont follow them up to their bedrooms because this might have them conclude that you are going somewhere private with them to do something that requires privacy. You will lose your inhibitions but thats the alcohols affect, you may then do something you regret but you cant call that rape.

Thats taking personal responsibility for your safety, you cant do anything about other peoples behaviour but you can change your own.

So... assume all men are potential rapists?

That seems a little unfair to the majority of men who aren't.

tretorn · 12-04-2018 7:34pm

Noeline Blackwell as head of the rape crisis centre was not an unbiased person so she should not have been given a platform to talk about whatsapp messages. If she had a problem with the word slut being used then she should have mentioned that it was very wrong of the woman in the rape case to call other women sluts. You cant have feminists making it a sackable offence for using the word slut if its said by a man but then ignore it if its said by a woman.

WE dont need to hear anymore from Noeline Blackwell about the Belfast case, she is paid to advocate for rape victims so this is what she should be doing. Sacking Jackson and Olding is not going to help rape victims in anyway, Jackson and Olding are not rapists and nor are they a danger to women so why is a woman running a rape crisis centre making her way to a studio to talk about whatsapp messages sent by young men to other young men.

tretorn · 12-04-2018 7:40pm

B0jangles wrote: »

So... assume all men are potential rapists?

That seems a little unfair to the majority of men who aren't.

Its not assuming anything, its about taking personal responsibilty for your safety, I would give the same advice to young men except they are in more danger of getting a punch in the head than they are of being raped.

Leaving a night club drunk and travelling to the home of men you dont know is risky behaviour, doing it while you are drunk with your inhibitions lowered is even more risky.

Noeline Blackwell would be better off going on the radio and giving the alcohol levels of the women who present at rape clinics. If the majority of the women are highly intoxicated or have taken drugs or maybe are drunk and drugged then their behaviour is part of the problem.

This would do a lot more to prevent rape than coming on radio to waffle about bragging text messages sent by men who are generally very nice people.

Remember Rory Harrison helped an old lady across the road, he is a nice guy lol

meeeeh · 12-04-2018 7:41pm

tretorn wrote: »

Noeline Blackwell as head of the rape crisis centre was not an unbiased person so she should not have been given a platform to talk about whatsapp messages. If she had a problem with the word slut being used then she should have mentioned that it was very wrong of the woman in the rape case to call other women sluts. You cant have feminists making it a sackable offence for using the word slut if its said by a man but then ignore it if its said by a woman.

WE dont need to hear anymore from Noeline Blackwell about the Belfast case, she is paid to advocate for rape victims so this is what she should be doing. Sacking Jackson and Olding is not going to help rape victims in anyway, Jackson and Olding are not rapists and nor are they a danger to women so why is a woman running a rape crisis centre making her way to a studio to talk about whatsapp messages sent by young men to other young men.

Why do you need unbiased person. This is not referendum campaign where you need some sort of a balance.

Btw do you actually understand a difference between a slut and slutty behaviour? For example if I call you a moron I would be carded but if I say your post is moronic I am attacking the post not the poster. However if you claim it's all the same then who am I to argue...

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2018 7:42pm

B0jangles wrote: »

So... assume all men are potential rapists?

That seems a little unfair to the majority of men who aren't.

I assume everyone is a car thief - that is why I lock the thing everywhere I go.

givyjoe · 12-04-2018 7:43pm

B0jangles wrote: »

So... assume all men are potential rapists?

That seems a little unfair to the majority of men who aren't.

Since when are you concerned with that being unfair? Of course what the poster means is that you cant possibly know which men, of the incredibly small proportion of men who rape, from the ones who do. They tend not to wear signs. But you knew that before twisting the posters words.

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2018 7:44pm

meeeeh wrote: »

Why do you need unbiased person. This is not referendum campaign where you need some sort of a balance.

Btw do you actually understand a difference between a slut and slutty behaviour? For example if I call you a moron I would be carded but if I say your post is moronic I am attacking the post not the poster. However if you claim it's all the same then who am I to argue...

Who carries out 'slutty' behaviour?

B0jangles · 12-04-2018 7:45pm

tretorn wrote: »

Its not assuming anything, its about taking personal responsibilty for your safety, I would give the same advice to young men except they are in more danger of getting a punch in the head than they are of being raped.

Leaving a night club drunk and travelling to the home of men you dont know is risky behaviour, doing it while you are drunk with your inhibitions lowered is even more risky.

Noeline Blackwell would be better off going on the radio and giving the alcohol levels of the women who present at rape clinics. If the majority of the women are highly intoxicated or have taken drugs or maybe are drunk and drugged then their behaviour is part of the problem.

This would do a lot more to prevent rape than coming on radio to waffle about bragging text messages sent by men who are generally very nice people.

Remember Rory Harrison helped an old lady across the road, he is a nice guy lol

You are saying that if women don't want to get raped they shouldn't be alone with strange men - ergo they should assume that all men are rapists.

I would have thought the lads around here would be a bit more bullish about defending the good name of Irish men, unless they agree that women should assume all men are rapists?

Seems a bit extreme to me, but hey.

meeeeh · 12-04-2018 7:47pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who carries out 'slutty' behaviour?

I don't know you tell me.

B0jangles · 12-04-2018 7:49pm

givyjoe wrote: »

Since when are you concerned with that being unfair? Of course what the poster means is that you cant possibly know which men, of the incredibly small proportion of men who rape, from the ones who do. They tend not to wear signs. But you knew that before twisting the posters words.

Why do you think I am not concerned with fairness?

I admit that I find it a little depressing that if a poster with known feminist tendencies were to say that women should assume all men are potential rapists, there would be mass outrage, but when its one of your own, it's apparently just common sense to assume that all men are potential rapists.

It's not exactly unexpected, but depressing all the same.

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2018 7:49pm

meeeeh wrote: »

I don't know you tell me.

A 'slut' carries out 'slutty' behaviour.

meeeeh · 12-04-2018 7:50pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A 'slut' carries out 'slutty' behaviour.

There is no need calling tretorn a moron.

joe40 · 12-04-2018 7:53pm

tretorn wrote: »

Sardonicat wrote: »

Why don't you address it so? Tell me what my responsibility is in staying safe?

Dare I be so bold as to advise you not get drunk and not to leave night clubs with strange men if you are plastered. Dont follow them up to their bedrooms because this might have them conclude that you are going somewhere private with them to do something that requires privacy. You will lose your inhibitions but thats the alcohols affect, you may then do something you regret but you cant call that rape.

Thats taking personal responsibility for your safety, you cant do anything about other peoples behaviour but you can change your own.

Seriously, is that meant to be a serious post. I'm glad women don't all that cause I would have missed out on some great nights. I would say a lot of Irish marriages started with a night like that. Sex does not need to be assumed as a right in that situation by any half reasonable human being.
The rape crisis centre should be some sort of moral guardian for young women?
In a thread full of some idiotic posts that is up there with the best of them

Faugheen · 12-04-2018 7:53pm

meeeeh wrote: »

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A 'slut' carries out 'slutty' behaviour.

There is no need calling tretorn a moron.

This was brilliantly delivered

meeeeh · 12-04-2018 7:55pm

Faugheen wrote: »

This was brilliantly delivered

Thanks.

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2018 7:56pm

B0jangles wrote: »

Why do you think I am not concerned with fairness?

I admit that I find it a little depressing that if a poster with known feminist tendencies were to say that women should assume all men are potential rapists, there would be mass outrage, but when its one of your own, it's just common sense to assume that all men are potential rapists.

It's not exactly unexpected, but depressing all the same.

All men are potential rapists. just like they are potential murderers.

If you get yourself drunk and end up in the bedrooms of strange men, then you increase your chances of meeting one who is no longer 'potentially' one.

Basic common sense and personal responsibility which should be one of the key things about this case.

But no, it is a feminist brigade joined with erstwhile and practicing Roman Catholic outraged conservatives crusading to destroy the careers of a few men.

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2018 7:58pm

meeeeh wrote: »

There is no need calling tretorn a moron.

No, I think you will find it was you who called him a moron and then applied my logic to your own insult and tried to pin it on me.

meeeeh · 12-04-2018 8:00pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No, I think you will find it was you who called him a moron and then applied my logic to your own insult and tried to pin it on me.

Too late.

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