jm08 wrote: » ''it takes a village to raise a child''Hilary Clinton even wrote a book about it.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Takes_a_Village .
jm08 wrote: » Willie John is old school. What rugby players got away with back in the 60s/70s, they wouldn't now (i.e., pissed drunk, smashing up hotels etc.). IRFU got it wrong over a tour to SA during apartheid as well. Willie John lead World XV as manager as late as 1989 during apartheid (I don't think there were any Irish players on it). He certainly didn't always got it right.
winteremerald wrote: » Is this the same group that want Irish law changed due to a case in a foreign jurisdiction ?
BBDBB wrote: » so off to France with him? Exile is the only solution for bad boys after all. He'd like two weeks in the Dordogne an July if possible? Willie John is old school, but he is enormously and rightly proud of his Ireland caps. If he is prepared to allow PJ and SO wear that shirt then thats a much weightier endorsement than the views of a lawyer who hasn't represented her country and doesnt sound like a rugby fan. (Could be wrong on that one)
jm08 wrote: Noeleen Blackwell is a fairly distingushed career as a Human Rights lawer and as a former Director General of Free Legal Aid. You won't get away so easily dismissing her as a 'feminnazi', 'mob' or the usual stuff you use to try and denigrate people.
NAGDEFI wrote: Exactly. So stop repeating the point that a twitterati group are forcing Jackson and Olding out of a job. It's not true. 2/3rds of the irish public don't want them representing Ireland. Not these twitter groups who have taken over the country, by all accounts.
jm08 wrote: » I bet PJ & his pals respect their mothers. But they have been able to objectify women, probably from watching porn.
jimmycrackcorm wrote: » You can't say that she doesn't have bias or an agenda.
2/3rds of the irish public haven't been asked and the outraged twitteratti are all we are hearing from.
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » Respect is a two street. People must have respect for themselves.
How many times has Brian from Accounts Payable, or Andrew from Distribution and Logistics been passed up on, by the local talent in their rush to have a crack at the local sports stars, who themselves have been "objectified" by these lovely ladies, and to "be seen about town" with said sports star.
It happens in every sport, every walk of life, every socioeconomic demographic.
NAGDEFI wrote: » Exactly. So stop repeating the point that a twitterati group are forcing Jackson and Olding out of a job. It's not true. 2/3rds of the irish public don't want them representing Ireland.
jimmycrackcorm wrote: » 2/3rds of the irish public haven't been asked and the outraged twitteratti are all we are hearing from.
mfceiling wrote: » It wasn't a twitter poll by any chance?
mfceiling wrote: » Just would like a link to your status there that 2/3rds of the Irish public don't want them representing ireland. I don't recall being asked to vote on this. Or any of my friends. Just so we are clear there is an approximate number of around 6 million people on the entire island of Ireland. The figure you claim is therefore 4 million people who don't want them to play for Ireland. 4 million people. So where did you get this figure? It wasn't a twitter poll by any chance?
jm08 wrote: » She was brought on to address Willie John McBride's comments. Noeleen Blackwell is a fairly distingushed career as a Human Rights lawer and as a former Director General of Free Legal Aid. You won't get away so easily dismissing her as a 'feminnazi', 'mob' or the usual stuff you use to try and denigrate people.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/flac-boss-noeline-blackwell-to-move-to-rape-crisis-charity-1.2506804
FrancieBrady wrote: » If she was serious about her remit she would also address the responsibilities of women in staying safe. She didn't.
Sardonicat wrote: » Why don't you address it so? Tell me what my responsibility is in staying safe?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Discussed earlier in the thread. And it isn't my 'remit/job' to prevent/reduce rape.
winteremerald wrote: » Sardonicat wrote: » Why don't you address it so? Tell me what my responsibility is in staying safe? I would suggest not getting blind drunk and passing out in the street.
tretorn wrote: » Dare I be so bold as to advise you not get drunk and not to leave night clubs with strange men if you are plastered. Dont follow them up to their bedrooms because this might have them conclude that you are going somewhere private with them to do something that requires privacy. You will lose your inhibitions but thats the alcohols affect, you may then do something you regret but you cant call that rape. Thats taking personal responsibility for your safety, you cant do anything about other peoples behaviour but you can change your own.
B0jangles wrote: » So... assume all men are potential rapists? That seems a little unfair to the majority of men who aren't.
tretorn wrote: » Noeline Blackwell as head of the rape crisis centre was not an unbiased person so she should not have been given a platform to talk about whatsapp messages. If she had a problem with the word slut being used then she should have mentioned that it was very wrong of the woman in the rape case to call other women sluts. You cant have feminists making it a sackable offence for using the word slut if its said by a man but then ignore it if its said by a woman. WE dont need to hear anymore from Noeline Blackwell about the Belfast case, she is paid to advocate for rape victims so this is what she should be doing. Sacking Jackson and Olding is not going to help rape victims in anyway, Jackson and Olding are not rapists and nor are they a danger to women so why is a woman running a rape crisis centre making her way to a studio to talk about whatsapp messages sent by young men to other young men.
meeeeh wrote: » Why do you need unbiased person. This is not referendum campaign where you need some sort of a balance. Btw do you actually understand a difference between a slut and slutty behaviour? For example if I call you a moron I would be carded but if I say your post is moronic I am attacking the post not the poster. However if you claim it's all the same then who am I to argue...
tretorn wrote: » Its not assuming anything, its about taking personal responsibilty for your safety, I would give the same advice to young men except they are in more danger of getting a punch in the head than they are of being raped. Leaving a night club drunk and travelling to the home of men you dont know is risky behaviour, doing it while you are drunk with your inhibitions lowered is even more risky. Noeline Blackwell would be better off going on the radio and giving the alcohol levels of the women who present at rape clinics. If the majority of the women are highly intoxicated or have taken drugs or maybe are drunk and drugged then their behaviour is part of the problem. This would do a lot more to prevent rape than coming on radio to waffle about bragging text messages sent by men who are generally very nice people. Remember Rory Harrison helped an old lady across the road, he is a nice guy lol
