Belfast rape trial discussion thread II

Roger Hassenforder

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so who's blood was it?

An organism* not involved in the case
(Was it human blood...?)

ohnonotgmail

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

An organism* not involved in the case
(Was it human blood...?)

were they sacrificing cats?

FrancieBrady

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so who's blood was it?

It's irrelevant. The Judge, Defence and Prosecution agreed that in normal point of law discussions.

P.S. The bed was also NOT 'COVERED' in blood.

ohnonotgmail

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's irrelevant. The Judge, Defence and Prosecution agreed that in normal point of law discussions.

P.S. The bed was also NOT 'COVERED' in blood.

as far as i can see the only person who has used the phrase "covered in blood" on this thread is you. and multiple times at that.

upandcumming

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

as far as i can see the only person who has used the phrase "covered in blood" on this thread is you. and multiple times at that.

Look harder.

Yeah_Right

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

were they sacrificing cats?

A sheep. That also explains the talk of a spit roast

Timothy Bryce

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's irrelevant. The Judge, Defence and Prosecution agreed that in normal point of law discussions.

P.S. The bed was also NOT 'COVERED' in blood.

Re the blood - I've played rugby since I was a young lad, stopped playing last year.

My abiding memory of my rugby playing days was the constant 'perma-cuts' on my legs & arms. Particularly when playing on 3G/4G surfaces where the artificial grass takes the skin right off your knees/elbows and you can wind up getting blood stains all over your bed.

The lads would have trained on a 3G/4G surface so one could reasonably attribute the blood to have come from there.

Not commenting on the trial or the outcome, just a potential source of the blood.

upandcumming

Timothy Bryce wrote: »

Re the blood - I've played rugby since I was a young lad, stopped playing last year.

My abiding memory of my rugby playing days was the constant 'perma-cuts' on my legs & arms. Particularly when playing on 3G/4G surfaces where the artificial grass takes the skin right off your knees/elbows and you can wind up getting blood stains all over your bed.

The lads would have trained on a 3G/4G surface so one could reasonably attribute the blood to have come from there.

Not commenting on the trial or the outcome, just a potential source of the blood.

Of course you're right, but don't be coming in here with that logic. :pac:

Roger Hassenforder

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

as far as i can see the only person who has used the phrase "covered in blood" on this thread is you. and multiple times at that.

Go back a page dude

ohnonotgmail

upandcumming wrote: »

Look harder.

i did. i searched and can only find that phrase used by francie.

Silentcorner

upandcumming wrote: »

Of course you're right, but don't be coming in here with that logic. :pac:

Well actually you are both completely wrong.

It wasn't their blood and it wasn't the young womans blood...it belonged to someone unknown.

Roger Hassenforder

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i did. i searched and can only find that phrase used by francie.

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Blood all over the bed

?

Grayson

Timothy Bryce wrote: »

Re the blood - I've played rugby since I was a young lad, stopped playing last year.

My abiding memory of my rugby playing days was the constant 'perma-cuts' on my legs & arms. Particularly when playing on 3G/4G surfaces where the artificial grass takes the skin right off your knees/elbows and you can wind up getting blood stains all over your bed.

The lads would have trained on a 3G/4G surface so one could reasonably attribute the blood to have come from there.

Not commenting on the trial or the outcome, just a potential source of the blood.

So the best case scenario for them is that they had sex with a woman on sheets covered in their own blood.

Those rugby guys are a classy lot.

Captain Obvious

Grayson wrote: »

So the best case scenario for them is that they had sex with a woman on sheets covered in their own blood.

Those rugby guys are a classy lot.

Weren't her clothes also bloody?

mfceiling

Grayson wrote: »

covered in their own blood.

Those rugby guys are a classy lot.

Covered?

Are we talking like a butchers floor, an abattoir floor or the scene of a massacre amount of blood?
We're the sheets saturated in blood. Destroyed by blood? Bright screaming red with blood?


Or did they have a few drips of blood on them?

You'd swear jackson had slit someone's throat in that bed the way some of you are describing it.
Talk about the red top papers printing sensationalist rubbish.

mfceiling

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Weren't her clothes also bloody?

Yeah...the room was covered in blood. Her clothes had to have the blood rung out of them. You couldn't see the floor with blood. There was blood on the walls, ceilings and windows.
It was like a scene from Carrie.

FFS like.

Captain Obvious

mfceiling wrote: »

Yeah...the room was covered in blood. Her clothes had to have the blood rung out of them. You couldn't see the floor with blood. There was blood on the walls, ceilings and windows.
It was like a scene from Carrie.

FFS like.

Her trousers had blood on the inside of them didn't they?

mfceiling

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Her trousers had blood on the inside of them didn't they?

Maybe they had but the way some posters are going on here you'd think it was like a scene from Rambo.

Roger Hassenforder

Grayson wrote: »

So the best case scenario for them is that they had sex with a woman on sheets covered in their own blood.

Those rugby guys are a classy lot.

I think its fair to say those lads werent a bit classy.

Innocent though. But definitely not classy.

BBDBB

so young men dont wash their sheets very often

who'd a thought????

FrancieBrady

BBDBB wrote: »

so young men dont wash their sheets very often

who'd a thought????

Sounded like a student gaff to me, with one or two saying they just lay in any bed they could find at sleep time.

Happy days if my fading memory serves me correctly!

BBDBB

well of course we had it tough....

I do remember my parents visiting for graduation and me being mortified when they brought the dog who started to find loads of bits of food to eat on the carpet in the lounge/kitchen area

we also had a bit of mould that went above the sink to the ceiling - we christened it "Beethoven" - because it was cultured

happy days


anyway, that Paddy Jacksons a wrong un

blanch152

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ulster-rugby/ewan-mackenna-sacking-jackson-and-olding-was-symptomtackling-and-disease-avoidance-36825959.html


This is quite possibly the best article I have read on the whole situation.

"Don't kid yourselves by just accepting what you're told and taking it at face value. The woman didn't matter; the not guilty matter; sportsmen's attitudes didn't matter; the bottom line did. Ultimately this jettisoning of Jackson and Olding has nothing to do with what is right, even if it might feel that way and be sold as such. Instead it's just another form of what is grossly wrong."

Appledreams15

twinytwo wrote: »

I wonder why all these people are not out protesting and whinging about what the garda top ranks conspired to do to garda Mccabe... but then why proest something that actually matters and has far more serious consequences for the country .... reality is it does not suit the little snowflake agendas.

were you out protesting the guards?
Put your money where your mouth is

Roger Hassenforder

Appledreams15 wrote: »

were you out protesting the guards?
Put your money where your mouth is

He might prefer to let due process run its course.

Silentcorner

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ulster-rugby/ewan-mackenna-sacking-jackson-and-olding-was-symptomtackling-and-disease-avoidance-36825959.html


This is quite possibly the best article I have read on the whole situation.

"Don't kid yourselves by just accepting what you're told and taking it at face value. The woman didn't matter; the not guilty matter; sportsmen's attitudes didn't matter; the bottom line did. Ultimately this jettisoning of Jackson and Olding has nothing to do with what is right, even if it might feel that way and be sold as such. Instead it's just another form of what is grossly wrong."

It was a very good article, you couldn't argue with it. However, the only reason this has damaged the lads so much is because in the North they allow defendants to be named in the media before the trial even begins...it is bats##t crazy...we shouldn't know much about this case, we got over 12 weeks media exposure to it...there was no coming back from that...

I am surprised men haven't been up in arms about this in the North.

Another good article well wroth a read is this one.

http://www.the42.ie/anna-krien-interview-night-games-3963370-Apr2018/ - not about this case but interesting noneltheless.

blanch152

Silentcorner wrote: »

It was a very good article, you couldn't argue with it. However, the only reason this has damaged the lads so much is because in the North they allow defendants to be named in the media before the trial even begins...it is bats##t crazy...we shouldn't know much about this case, we got over 12 weeks media exposure to it...there was no coming back from that...

I am surprised men haven't been up in arms about this in the North.

Another good article well wroth a read is this one.

http://www.the42.ie/anna-krien-interview-night-games-3963370-Apr2018/ - not about this case but interesting noneltheless.

Really good, I particularly liked this line:

"So consent is really an issue, but I really think empathy is most important."

Empathy is the one thing that has been really missing from this case. The four lads obviously lacked it, you could argue the independent witness also lacked it (if you believe the woman), but you then see it in some of the comments from the likes of Appledreams who shows absolutely zero empathy in her posts towards men, and in particular the two guys who have lost their livelihood, despite being not guilty.

If we all had a little more empathy, the world would be a better place.

Sile Na Gig

I wish that we could all stop framing this as a gender war and instead see how the way we are right now is doing a disservice to both boys and girls. I would call it the ‘patriarchy’ but that phrase is red rag to a bull for some.

The fact remains that those boys were socialised to believe that their primary goal was to get something off girls, and the girls to believe that their sexuality is both carrot and stick - a tool to be weaponised and a something of which to be ashamed. All are victims, to be torn apart in the papers, on every street corner and on threads like this.

It would be wonderful if we could put our differences aside and figure out a way to move forward and create a society where men and women can communicate honestly and figure out and respect exactly what each other needs. But hey, we’re probably going to rapaciously defend our individual camps til the whole damn thing comes burning down around our ears.

jm08

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ulster-rugby/ewan-mackenna-sacking-jackson-and-olding-was-symptomtackling-and-disease-avoidance-36825959.html


This is quite possibly the best article I have read on the whole situation.

"Don't kid yourselves by just accepting what you're told and taking it at face value. The woman didn't matter; the not guilty matter; sportsmen's attitudes didn't matter; the bottom line did. Ultimately this jettisoning of Jackson and Olding has nothing to do with what is right, even if it might feel that way and be sold as such. Instead it's just another form of what is grossly wrong."

The bottom line does matter, but what makes the bottom line matter is public opinion in this instance, so I don't see what is so grossly wrong with that.

Usjes

BBDBB wrote: »

anyway, that Paddy Jacksons a wrong un

:pac::pac::pac::pac: