191 reg cars...

AMKC · 30-01-2019 10:28pm

Seen a new Toyota Rav4 today in silver new model. At first I was not sure what it was thought it was a Peugeot then realised it was the new Rav4. Barely out of the showroom I woud say and paving slaps were being but in the back of it. It was Kildare reg 1049. No noise from it at all when it drove in and then when it left

damo86 · 30-01-2019 10:50pm

Voodoomelon wrote: »

I'm at the stage of my life where I should be in a sports car. Thirties, single, no kids, money to throw at something nice and all I see is compromise with a 2 door coupe. Unless its an s-class coupe or a 6 series or the likes, sports cars in general sacrifice comfort, space, noise and ride quality. I just can't bring myself to put up with any of those for a cooler looking car. I've looked at GT86s, F-Types, R8s, 997s, Vantages, Mustangs, the list goes on. But the interiors are far from luxurious or super comfortable (and the nicer the car, the older it is in my budget and the interiors are just downright cheap/outdated); I think i'd find so many things irritating about them in the long run, I just couldn't live with them every day.

Large german saloons and flagship coupes tick virtually every box for a road car.

Saw this Couldn’t help but not reply as your criteria and situation is very similar to me.

I’m single, in my 30’s and driving 997 S Daily, lovely place to be, interior not too dated and fitted a Denison system for my Bluetooth etc. I find it more comfortable and less thrashy than my previous mk7 Golf R.
Did a very intensive weekend driving trip around Scotland..not one complaint of back ache or “I getting sick of this feeling”.
Actually quite practical when you know how to use the space..sure did my Christmas shopping in it and managed to fit it all in. Ferried my niece around a few times too.

Out of all your suggestions, I would revisit the 997 S and give it a chance.

sk8board · 31-01-2019 9:47am

How are the full month new sales numbers looking for January?

Old diesel · 31-01-2019 10:07am

sk8board wrote: »

How are the full month new sales numbers looking for January?

Today is still January.

Might be out tomorrow

elperello · 31-01-2019 6:53pm

I saw my first new Ford Focus today.
It was a lovely shade of blue with blacked out grille.
Very nice looking car.

https://www.ford.ie/cars/new-focus/gallery

GusGus · 31-01-2019 8:58pm

sk8board wrote: »

How are the full month new sales numbers looking for January?

Anyone got them ? Please ...

bazz26 · 31-01-2019 9:14pm

Today is still January so figures are not going to available. Maybe tomorrow or the next few days.

AMKC · 31-01-2019 9:32pm

GusGus wrote: »

Anyone got them ? Please ...

Patience is a virtue. Whats the rush? That's the problem these days everyone is impatient and wants everything now.

Northern Monkey · 31-01-2019 11:21pm

I saw a white 191 M2 competition pack this evening. No pictures sadly.

helen87 · 01-02-2019 9:33am

elperello wrote: »

I saw my first new Ford Focus today.
It was a lovely shade of blue with blacked out grille.
Very nice looking car.

https://www.ford.ie/cars/new-focus/gallery

i bought a focus st-lin in blue. love it, it has been nicely updated from the last version.

GusGus · 01-02-2019 10:21am

Big drops for most .

I guess a lot of new cars only coming later this year

swarlb · 01-02-2019 10:27am

AMKC wrote: »

Patience is a virtue. Whats the rush? That's the problem these days everyone is impatient and wants everything now.

It's 9.30, Feb 1.... how many 191's registered I wonder today ?

Old diesel · 01-02-2019 10:42am

GusGus wrote: »

Big drops for most .

I guess a lot of new cars only coming later this year

Toyota were winding down old models.

Only 25 Auris (old model been phased out) sold for example.

311 Corolla - again the old Saloon been phased out and new model not available in January.

Electric cars showing a significant increase 811 EVs sold vs 104 in January 2018.

Remarkably the Kona EV was the most popular option in the Hyundai Kona range

bazz26 · 01-02-2019 11:15am

Are those Konas actually sold though as opposed to them being blitzed by Hyundai Ireland to their dealer network as "demos". Or are many people really spending 37k on a small electric SUV?

carsfan2 · 01-02-2019 11:52am

Would be interesting to get the stats for the last few days of January to see how many cars were registered just to push up the numbers.

Old diesel · 01-02-2019 11:58am

bazz26 wrote: »

Are those Konas actually sold though as opposed to them being blitzed by Hyundai Ireland to their dealer network as "demos". Or are many people really spending 37k on a small electric SUV?

Difficult to say - but the fact the EV had more registerstions then petrol or diesel makes it more likely that the cars were genuine sales.

Because Hyundai are more likely to be caught blatently inflating sales figures if they do it in a way that makes the EV more popular then diesel or petrol.

Yes they can pre reg the EVs but I would take the view that if they were to do so - it would mean "selling" less EVs then petrol.

I mean diesel only sold 60 in the Kona - "sell 100 EVs" and youve outsold diesel.

My understanding from comments ive read is that dealers were allocated something like 3 cars per dealer to sell as new cars when the Kona EV arrived late last year.

What they've been allocated since and for what purpose I don't know.

bazz26 · 01-02-2019 1:26pm

Even taking diesel out of the equation, I just find it difficult to believe that more people went out and spent circa 30k (taking the grant into account) for a small crossover when the equivalent petrol model starts at 22k.

As for manufacturers fudging figures, they have been at that for years, look at all the prereg models for sale. If you look at the SIMI stats they are based off new registrations figures which I presume include vehicles registered by dealers with zero miles. It's all about bragging rights regarding the best selling brand/model in the first month/quarter of every registration change. For example Hyundai and Toyota have been been battling each other here for market share for a number of years now, both claiming this and that around based on new registrations.

GeneHunt · 01-02-2019 3:06pm

Old diesel wrote: »

Electric cars showing a significant increase 811 EVs sold vs 104 in January 2018.

This could be a disaster for electric car owners, as it currently stands, there isn't enough chargers around the country. I have noticed over the last few months a good few charging locations full, but if the sales jump by that much, we will see people queuing to get their car charged.

swarlb · 01-02-2019 5:36pm

GeneHunt wrote: »

This could be a disaster for electric car owners, as it currently stands, there isn't enough chargers around the country. I have noticed over the last few months a good few charging locations full, but if the sales jump by that much, we will see people queuing to get their car charged.

Old link, but relevant nonetheless https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2264588/75-petrol-stations-40-years-forcing-drivers-travel-pay-tanks.html

If I were to buy an electric car, the obvious thing to do would be to have a charging system in my home. Electric cars owners generally know what they are doing, and tend to do far more research than 'normal' car buyers.
I also doubt that Hyundai are stocking up on electric models, and registering them to make figures look good. A recent review of the Kona in one of last Sundays papers would be enough to boost sales.

bazz26 · 01-02-2019 6:14pm

That's exactly what did it the year before last with the Tucson as did Toyota with the CHR at launch.

R.O.R · 01-02-2019 6:21pm

bazz26 wrote: »

Even taking diesel out of the equation, I just find it difficult to believe that more people went out and spent circa 30k (taking the grant into account) for a small crossover when the equivalent petrol model starts at 22k.

0% BIK and a useable range. I'd say a huge chunk of the Kona EV reg's were company cars.

swarlb · 01-02-2019 7:01pm

It makes no difference if the Kona's were company cars, pre registered or whatever, the fact is that they exist, and are here. I doubt they will sit gathering dust. Just face the fact that there is a viable option to petrol, diesel or hybrid.

spyderski · 01-02-2019 7:10pm

bazz26 wrote: »

Even taking diesel out of the equation, I just find it difficult to believe that more people went out and spent circa 30k (taking the grant into account) for a small crossover when the equivalent petrol model starts at 22k.

They're €38 k AFTER the Grant AFAIK - from an ad on Carzone: Full Retail Price is €48999. Price quoted is after VRT Exemption/SEAI Grant/Residual VRT have been removed. Terms and Conditions appl

bazz26 · 01-02-2019 7:22pm

Keep your pants on, nobody claimed they were going to be gathering dust or denying that are here. But tax incentives for business users is a big insight behind these numbers whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

knifey_spoonie · 01-02-2019 8:44pm

Here is the latest overall in a bit more detail.

GeneHunt · 01-02-2019 9:37pm

There's a few big jumps in sales on a few of those cars listed.

The biggest surprise for me is the Ford Ecosport with 211 (2019) vs 29 (2018) as they are out a few years now.

ddarcy · 01-02-2019 9:59pm

I think with Skoda and Seat having decent deals on was the cause of their YOY increase. I definitely have seen a number of new Skodas of all varieties in Sligo. I also wonder if VW will get a spike later in the year when the new golf and t-cross are out. I think people could be holding off here on making a new car purchase.

Leonard Hofstadter · 01-02-2019 11:25pm

Anything that's not one of those fake SUVs is getting hammered.

Mercedes have taken a pounding, can't understand why.

Diesel now below 50% of new car sales for the first time since 2008.

Toyota being hammered with no Auris/Corollas available, so much for the advertising telling us they had 1500 handraisers etc! Pricing is also outrageous for these cars as well, even when supply improves it's hard to see why someone would chose one when they could have a Focus for €5k less.

ofcork · 01-02-2019 11:31pm

GeneHunt wrote: »

There's a few big jumps in sales on a few of those cars listed.

The biggest surprise for me is the Ford Ecosport with 211 (2019) vs 29 (2018) as they are out a few years now.

EcoSport has been facelifted looks much better similar to the edge/Kuga.

GusGus · 01-02-2019 11:40pm

ofcork wrote: »

EcoSport has been facelifted looks much better similar to the edge/Kuga.

The Eco Sport is one seriously ugly car imo. It’s just all wrong in its stance and shape .

GeneHunt · 01-02-2019 11:40pm

ddarcy wrote: »

I think with Skoda and Seat having decent deals on was the cause of their YOY increase. I definitely have seen a number of new Skodas of all varieties in Sligo. I also wonder if VW will get a spike later in the year when the new golf and t-cross are out. I think people could be holding off here on making a new car purchase.

I think VW are doing pretty okay as is, the current Golf is at 10 place. They have five models in the top 25 cars sales!

The dying the family saloon segment, has the Passat (440 sold) still at the top in 24 place, it's nearest rival is the Skoda Superb (398) (the same group - VAG) at 26 place the next rival is the Ford Mondeo (204) at 49 place followed by the Opel Insignia (146) in 58 place and the Hyaudai I40 (141) at 61 place followed by the Mazda 6 (133) in 63 place and the Peugeot 508 (61) in 99 place.

GeneHunt · 02-02-2019 12:15am

Leonard Hofstadter wrote: »

Mercedes have taken a pounding, can't understand why.

Yeah that is strange, as I have noticed since about 2016/ 2017 Mercedes sitting in driveways that used to have Audi's and BMW's. There C & E class sales have almost halved.

The Mercedes Benz C Class with 112 (2019) vs 198 (2018)
The Mercedes Benz E Class with 261 (2019) vs 536 (2018)

The really strange one is the Mercedes Benz GLA Class with only 5 (2019) vs 49 (2018), but I think the Volvo XC40 is drawing in a lot of customers with 90 (2019) vs 8 (2018) and maybe BMW stole a few sales with the X2 too with 27 (2019) vs 1 (2018).

sk8board · 02-02-2019 12:27am

Merc bmw and Audi all with pretty huge falls - bmw can rightly say the 3 series isn’t available for test drive until this month, and it’ll sell by the truckload.
However Audi and Merc have pretty new lineups and any older models got the refreshed infotainment etc.

The Mercedes YoY fall is a complete mess really.

Wildly Boaring · 02-02-2019 12:35am

sk8board wrote: »

Merc bmw and Audi all with pretty huge falls - bmw can rightly say the 3 series isn’t available for test drive until this month, and it’ll sell by the truckload.
However Audi and Merc have pretty new lineups and any older models got the refreshed infotainment etc.

The Mercedes YoY fall is a complete mess really.

Buy a nearly new UK at massive discount with sterling over last while

rainbowtrout · 02-02-2019 1:35am

I think a lot of people in that end of the market are willing to buy a nearly new Merc/BMW/Audi from NI/UK and save thousands rather than buy a new or nearly new one here.

bazz26 · 02-02-2019 2:23am

Worth mentioning that the likes of Merc and BMW were offering reduced list prices or dealer contributions this time last year due to the weak sterling. They ain't doing it this year and are paying for it.

R.O.R · 02-02-2019 11:17am

More or less the entire Mercedes range is either in the process of getting new engines for WLTP, or there's a new model on the way.

E Class is about the only model available from stock or that can be ordered at the moment.

Vicxas · 02-02-2019 12:26pm

Surprised with those electric sales. wonder if the lack of proper infrastructure is the factor holding it back.

bazz26 · 02-02-2019 2:27pm

R.O.R wrote: »

More or less the entire Mercedes range is either in the process of getting new engines for WLTP, or there's a new model on the way.

E Class is about the only model available from stock or that can be ordered at the moment.

Didn't Mercedes only launch a few new models in 2018 though? A Class, CLS and most recently a revised C Class? I'd hope those were WLTP approved when launched and apart from the CLS I'd think the A and C Class would be their volume sellers along with the E Class.

OSI wrote: »

Yes. Each dealer got an allocation for the year and most sold before last year was even up.

Indeed as ROR was saying earlier, 0% BIK meant there was a big uptake from businesses on them. Would be nice to see a breakdown of registrations by business v private individuals but the figures are not that granular. 38k for an EV Kona versus 23k for a petrol Kona is a huge gap all the same and one I'd say a lot of private individuals would struggle with even with total cost of ownership.

Wildly Boaring · 02-02-2019 3:00pm

We get a lot of mileage at work.

Twice in last while I've turned down vehicles.

Car van at 5% bik no use as 2 kids.

Not paying the bik on a car. Prefer my mileage.

I'd drive a 0% EV once the range suited me. Kona might do 90% of my days. The other 10% ibcould surely find a charger somewhere. Or plan accordingly

ddarcy · 02-02-2019 4:47pm

GeneHunt wrote: »

I think VW are doing pretty okay as is, the current Golf is at 10 place. They have five models in the top 25 cars sales!

The dying the family saloon segment, has the Passat (440 sold) still at the top in 24 place, it's nearest rival is the Skoda Superb (398) (the same group - VAG) at 26 place the next rival is the Ford Mondeo (204) at 49 place followed by the Opel Insignia (146) in 58 place and the Hyaudai I40 (141) at 61 place followed by the Mazda 6 (133) in 63 place and the Peugeot 508 (61) in 99 place.

I’m not disagreeing with you but the Golf is down 1/3 YoY. I think when the new Golf launches VW will see an uplift or people could wait until next year. I do expect VW to be too if the table again at years end. I do believe there are some issues with their diesels so could explain some of their slow start, but that’s only hearsay.

But yes i Think the Saloon is going to be replaced by the SUV. I think the saloon will essentially be the executive car and not the family car. Personally I would have never considered one until I had to rent one last year. I can definitely see where families will flock to them. I’m still happy enough with my polo.

AMKC · 03-02-2019 1:32pm

Seen a lovely blue 191 VW Polo and a silver 191 Qushqui today.

GeneHunt · 03-02-2019 2:15pm

Oh I nearly forgot to say I seen a really nice 191-MH-XXXX Audi A6 Avant :cool: on Friday morning, sorry no photos

Duke O Smiley · 04-02-2019 9:27pm

I drove past a 191 Focus this evening with a 3/19 tax disc in the window

Who taxes their brand new car for three months? Rental I assume. But odd to see all the same

I know..little to be worrying me..

whiterebel · 04-02-2019 10:18pm

GeneHunt wrote: »

Yeah that is strange, as I have noticed since about 2016/ 2017 Mercedes sitting in driveways that used to have Audi's and BMW's. There C & E class sales have almost halved.

The Mercedes Benz C Class with 112 (2019) vs 198 (2018)
The Mercedes Benz E Class with 261 (2019) vs 536 (2018)

The really strange one is the Mercedes Benz GLA Class with only 5 (2019) vs 49 (2018), but I think the Volvo XC40 is drawing in a lot of customers with 90 (2019) vs 8 (2018) and maybe BMW stole a few sales with the X2 too with 27 (2019) vs 1 (2018).

We were interested in a GLA for new in January. Sat down, with the sales guy in Cork.
Ok, so interested in the GLA 1.6 petrol for 34K.
That’s now 38K.
What?
Yes, everything gone up. Roadtax on the 1.6 is €570...
Goodbye.

I was told by a friend of mine, who works for a massive German company, that Mercedes owned up to the emmissions cheating, just as EU inspectors were walking into HQ. I’ve never seen anything else to back it up, but its an interesting story, and would seem to be borne out by the increases.

Also spoke to Audi at the time, and he told us that the A4 is struggling badly to make emmissions in manual petrol. He told us that anyone who ordered a manual was going to get an automatic, as it was the only one that makes the cut.

Lexus also went up 3K on the CT200, but road tax stays at €180, so I doubt that was due to emissions.

rainbowtrout · 04-02-2019 10:34pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

I drove past a 191 Focus this evening with a 3/19 tax disc in the window

Who taxes their brand new car for three months? Rental I assume. But odd to see all the same

I know..little to be worrying me..

Or someone who wants the new reg but can just about make the payments and can only afford to tax it three months at a time

Alun · 04-02-2019 11:02pm

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Or someone who wants the new reg but can just about make the payments and can only afford to tax it three months at a time

Or someone who wants their tax renewal to come in in March and not January when they renew it for 12 months next time? I've done something similar in the past to stagger motor tax and insurance so they didn't both fall in the same month.

R.O.R · 05-02-2019 8:19am

Or someone who works in the Ford dealer and its their demo.

Kevin Finnerty · 05-02-2019 9:44am

Or someone like me who likes to insure and tax their car 6 months apart.

A6 40 TDI in a a grey in Cork city, not too gone on it at all.

ELM327 · 05-02-2019 10:17am

whiterebel wrote: »

We were interested in a GLA for new in January. Sat down, with the sales guy in Cork.
Ok, so interested in the GLA 1.6 petrol for 34K.
That’s now 38K.
What?
Yes, everything gone up. Roadtax on the 1.6 is €570...
Goodbye.

I was told by a friend of mine, who works for a massive German company, that Mercedes owned up to the emmissions cheating, just as EU inspectors were walking into HQ. I’ve never seen anything else to back it up, but its an interesting story, and would seem to be borne out by the increases.

Also spoke to Audi at the time, and he told us that the A4 is struggling badly to make emmissions in manual petrol. He told us that anyone who ordered a manual was going to get an automatic, as it was the only one that makes the cut.

Lexus also went up 3K on the CT200, but road tax stays at €180, so I doubt that was due to emissions.

WLTP assessment caused the increases, nothing nefarious but a different more realistic test method.

191 reg cars...

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