Where are we off to tomorrow

wrangler · 09-12-2019 8:38am

kk.man wrote: »

When we produced 30k per week the factories rode us, when we killed 28k per week and 24k per it was the same result. They brought in 30 month rule under many gusises but it controls the supply.
We are dealing with a Cartel here that domestically or at EU level the powers that be don't want to tackle. That's the nub of the problem. The factories have no problem selling the meat none of it is left over or goes to intervention.

They are very good at their job, but you can sell anything if you drop the price enough.
I see on the bargain thread a guy bought 12 steaks for 12 Euro, someone said he got it in the ''salmonella fridge''

. 12 hrs to go before the end of sell by date.....straight in to the freezer and it'd be the finest.
I saw legs of lamb at 2 or 3 euro in a similar fridge myself

wrangler · 09-12-2019 8:46am

memorystick wrote: »

They’re picking on Tesco’s now.

I knew that but I couldn't put it up here, I also knew my source was genuine

Wanderer78 · 09-12-2019 8:51am

memorystick wrote:

Theyâ€™re picking on Tescoâ€™s now.

They're bloody right to

MickeyShtyles · 09-12-2019 10:58am

Anyone think it’s a stages thing. Dunnes towards the end of the week. And then Musgraves Blanchardstown/Ballycoolin next week.
Or are they ballzy enough to take on Musgraves?

Water John · 09-12-2019 11:01am

BPM did the picket of Musgraves Cork months ago.
Why would they be sacred?

Wanderer78 · 09-12-2019 11:02am

MickeyShtyles wrote: »

Anyone think it’s a stages thing. Dunnes towards the end of the week. And then Musgraves Blanchardstown/Ballycoolin next week.
Or are they ballzy enough to take on Musgraves?

again, they bloody should, they should be all picketed at the same time

MickeyShtyles · 09-12-2019 11:05am

Water John wrote: »

BPM did the picket of Musgraves Cork months ago.
Why would they be sacred?

If they blockaded either of those Musgraves distribution centres, it wouldn't be too long before things came to a standstill.
During the BP protest neither of the above had beef on their shelves nor were able to supply to restaurants/caterers.
That being said, Christmas week is a terrible time to try and get a protest going.

wrangler · 09-12-2019 11:09am

MickeyShtyles wrote: »

Anyone think it’s a stages thing. Dunnes towards the end of the week. And then Musgraves Blanchardstown/Ballycoolin next week.
Or are they ballzy enough to take on Musgraves?

I was with IFA when they blocked musgraves in maynooth ten years ago, all the processors sent us steaks on the day, I've a friend that works with youth groups and he brought up two huge Barbeques, we must've cooked 3 or 400 steaks that day.
So yes they are ballzy enough to take on Musgrave

Actually just after remembering that rushes shops are musgraves franchised, Probably that's why you're on about musgraves only I was ABIT SLOW

Capercaillie · 09-12-2019 11:17am

wrangler wrote: »

I was with IFA when they blocked musgraves in maynooth ten years ago, all the processors sent us steaks on the day, I've a friend that works with youth groups and he brought up two huge Barbeques, we must've cooked 3 or 400 steaks that day.
So yes they are ballzy enough to take on Musgrave

Rushe is connected to Musgraves, might make a difference.

wrangler · 09-12-2019 11:18am

Capercaillie wrote: »

Rushe is connected to Musgraves, might make a difference.

Yea, just after copping that

MickeyShtyles · 09-12-2019 12:04pm

wrangler wrote: »

Yea, just after copping that

That’s the point I was trying to make.....
Ye’d hope it wouldn’t make a difference but sure we know the craic

yosemitesam1 · 09-12-2019 12:23pm

Was talking to a lad who seemed to think the 12 hour blockades weren't making any difference to retailers as the vast majority of traffic is in and out outside of the blockade times. Any truth in that?

Water John · 09-12-2019 12:29pm

The main despatches would be at night time. You pass Lidl in Chareleville by day and its empty. Now smaller distribution centres would operate, round the clock. What you most affect is their scheduling.

MickeyShtyles · 09-12-2019 12:32pm

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Was talking to a lad who seemed to think the 12 hour blockades weren't making any difference to retailers as the vast majority of traffic is in and out outside of the blockade times. Any truth in that?

Suppliers for Charleville were told to get trucks in before 5am.

wrangler · 09-12-2019 12:38pm

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Was talking to a lad who seemed to think the 12 hour blockades weren't making any difference to retailers as the vast majority of traffic is in and out outside of the blockade times. Any truth in that?

The musgraves blockade a lot of lorries were back from lunchtime on, there was about 30 lorries parked up that day,A neighbour that I met up there that drives for them said a lot of lorries were told not to return so we wouldn't know how many were disrupted. He had left the yard that morning at 2am

Water John · 09-12-2019 12:41pm

A really effective protest would have been to start at midnight. Then that wouldn't get media coverage.

alps · 09-12-2019 12:56pm

Capercaillie wrote: »

Rushe is connected to Musgraves, might make a difference.

If Rushe was to win the Deputy position, I'm thinking it important that he would have been seen to be in a position to block Musgraves. Theres a few days left in this week to do that, he's in position to push for it, and it would certainly strengthen his mandate afterwards.

alps · 09-12-2019 12:59pm

Water John wrote: »

A really effective protest would have been to start at midnight. Then that wouldn't get media coverage.

Don't think this is planning to effect shop shelves yet..that would certainly be a 7pm to 7am job..i

BarryD2 · 09-12-2019 1:21pm

kk.man wrote: »

When we produced 30k per week the factories rode us, when we killed 28k per week and 24k per it was the same result. They brought in 30 month rule under many gusises but it controls the supply.
We are dealing with a Cartel here that domestically or at EU level the powers that be don't want to tackle. That's the nub of the problem. The factories have no problem selling the meat none of it is left over or goes to intervention.

They are good at manipulating you at the moment, but if the numbers of cattle available for slaughter drop on a consistent basis, then sooner or later the prices have to rise.

The factories need a supply, to in turn fulfill their contracts of supply. They will have to pay more if production of cattle is reduced. The alternative would be to import cattle to slaughter and/ or reduce their operations and turn over.

Dry stock farmers are in a strong position if they use their position in a unified way - not by blockading stunts but by squeezing supply. But isn't that the issue - what suits some doesn't suit others and lessening production on a longer term basis means that some will have to get out of the business? Divide and conquer is the factories strength.

kk.man · 09-12-2019 2:35pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

They are good at manipulating you at the moment, but if the numbers of cattle available for slaughter drop on a consistent basis, then sooner or later the prices have to rise.

The factories need a supply, to in turn fulfill their contracts of supply. They will have to pay more if production of cattle is reduced. The alternative would be to import cattle to slaughter and/ or reduce their operations and turn over.

Dry stock farmers are in a strong position if they use their position in a unified way - not by blockading stunts but by squeezing supply. But isn't that the issue - what suits some doesn't suit others and lessening production on a longer term basis means that some will have to get out of the business? Divide and conquer is the factories strength.

TBH I think you know very little about farming and how the Beef industry operates.
Thanks for your contributions to date.

funkyouup · 09-12-2019 3:07pm

It reminds me of the 12 pubs of christmas with this micky mouse strategy, just wandering around from place to place, business to business.

funkyouup · 09-12-2019 3:57pm

Aye, tescos really seem like they care.

09-12-2019 6:08pm

They won’t stop any beef going to shelves protesting outside donnabate depot as they don’t distribute chill or meat there..not sure why they chose there I suppose for the headline more than anything

ganmo · 09-12-2019 8:25pm

aaronc182 wrote: »

They won’t stop any beef going to shelves protesting outside donnabate depot as they don’t distribute chill or meat there..not sure why they chose there I suppose for the headline more than anything

Sure isn't that perfect! They wont effect their product but they're still affecting the retailer in some way

Sheep breeder · 10-12-2019 8:22am

aaronc182 wrote: »

They won’t stop any beef going to shelves protesting outside donnabate depot as they don’t distribute chill or meat there..not sure why they chose there I suppose for the headline more than anything

Making joe last stand look good and not upsetting Tesco too much, nearly all supermarkets move product by night for easy access and quicker travel times, really a big pr stunt as usual telling where they are going to picket and get your work done lads before we arrive job.

wrangler · 10-12-2019 8:52am

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Making joe last stand look good and not upsetting Tesco too much, nearly all supermarkets move product by night for easy access and quicker travel times, really a big pr stunt as usual telling where they are going to picket and get your work done lads before we arrive job.

They're in kilcock today, must be nearly as sad as the Beef plan protests now.
Did you know where they were going this morning.

There is no private industry going to yield to bullying, processors will definitely carry on doing as they've always done, joke is on farmers at this stage especially now as they're squabbling among themselves.
They're at Musgraves......wonder is Brian Rushe there

MickeyShtyles · 10-12-2019 9:16am

wrangler wrote: »

They're in kilcock today, must be nearly as sad as the Beef plan protests now.
Did you know where they were going this morning.

There is no private industry going to yield to bullying, processors will definitely carry on doing as they've always done, joke is on farmers at this stage especially now as they're squabbling among themselves.
They're at Musgraves......wonder is Brian Rushe there

Cdc is where they should be. Rushe should be there, it’s no secret there’s a connection.

Coonagh · 10-12-2019 10:40am

wrangler wrote: »

They're in kilcock today, must be nearly as sad as the Beef plan protests now.
Did you know where they were going this morning.

There is no private industry going to yield to bullying, processors will definitely carry on doing as they've always done, joke is on farmers at this stage especially now as they're squabbling among themselves.
They're at Musgraves......wonder is Brian Rushe there

He is...

memorystick · 11-12-2019 9:09am

Another tractor protest being organised. Anyone from here going?

Bullocks · 11-12-2019 10:07am

memorystick wrote: »

Another tractor protest being organised. Anyone from here going?

Beef plan or ifa? I more than likely won't be going to either but it's nice to know what's going on

manjou · 11-12-2019 12:12pm

Are ifa anywhere today

Robson99 · 11-12-2019 12:18pm

manjou wrote: »

Are ifa anywhere today

Christmas dinner with Larry and Co

Capercaillie · 11-12-2019 12:24pm

Robson99 wrote: »

Christmas dinner with Larry and Co

Bought in Supervalue..........

wrangler · 11-12-2019 12:35pm

Capercaillie wrote: »

Bought in Supervalue..........

and poor larry helpless and unable to stop farmers making billions for him

wrangler · 11-12-2019 2:36pm

manjou wrote: »

Are ifa anywhere today

Dunnes stores in cornelscourt.

https://twitter.com/IFAmedia/status/1204743755116494848?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Bullocks · 11-12-2019 2:54pm

wrangler wrote: »

and poor larry helpless and unable to stop farmers making billions for him

I know he is publicity shy but he is one man I'd love to get chatting to to get his own take on beef and farming from years ago to today

wrangler · 11-12-2019 3:18pm

Bullocks wrote: »

I know he is publicity shy but he is one man I'd love to get chatting to to get his own take on beef and farming from years ago to today

I see he came out smelling of roses in the sale of INM.
Dermot Desmond and Denis Obrien lost their shirt and larry gains a million

Bullocks · 11-12-2019 3:52pm

wrangler wrote: »

I see he came out smelling of roses in the sale of INM.
Dermot Desmond and Denis Obrien lost their shirt and larry gains a million

He might give them a side of beef apiece to see them through the Christmas!
It's some boy that came out better than them two from a deal

memorystick · 11-12-2019 5:52pm

Anyone going to Tullamore tonight?

alps · 11-12-2019 6:10pm

memorystick wrote: »

Anyone going to Tullamore tonight?

IT'S a cold night to sit and watch a game.

wrangler · 12-12-2019 11:35am

24hr blockade in dunnes yesterday, fair dues to them, diabolical weather for it

Water John · 12-12-2019 12:00pm

Oh, suddenly, it's the right thing to do!!! Ah so it slowly dawned on them that most distribution is, at night.

wrangler · 12-12-2019 12:27pm

Water John wrote: »

Oh, suddenly, it's the right thing to do!!! Ah so it slowly dawned on them that most distribution is, at night.

says you , from the fireside.

They're best entitled to decide, it's bloody cold out there

wrangler · 12-12-2019 4:04pm

Jjameson wrote: »

For what beef dunnes retail they’d be as well by the fireside. Tesco is where they should have stayed for a week. Running half price promotion this week on Irish beef in the uk. Half their own price of course but we are dragging uk farmers into the gutter with us.

Private companies won't be bullied.
TBH IFA are being bullied by farmers now even though nothing is achievable
Independent farmers are supposed to be starting next week, they're unlikely to be satisfied with the price rise either

kk.man · 12-12-2019 4:48pm

wrangler wrote: »

Private companies won't be bullied.
TBH IFA are being bullied by farmers now even though nothing is achievable
Independent farmers are supposed to be starting next week, they're unlikely to be satisfied with the price rise either

Your right there Wrangler, they wont be bullied but if they want to continue to gamble its a very thin line to test if another strike on the gates would test the industry statements ' another strike would be catastrophic for the beef industry'.
With the mind farmers are in now, most couldn't care less and the erratic nature of the farmer unions the Barons might be taking a serious gamble with their once taken for granted bounty.

wrangler · 12-12-2019 6:30pm

Jjameson wrote: »

My understanding is that the retailers are in line for more than token 12 hour daylight blockades. The splinter grouping called the infoi are loosely organising the tractors return to the city. I do concur with wranglers take on the processors and retailers not giving into “bullying” easily and it is a combination of profiteering and and not giving cause to a precedents for strikes every week given that the cartel has such control here, the uk and Even parts of Europe there will be cause for protest every week really.

What all this messing might do is increase the CAP budget, especially as farmers across Europe are concerned and protesting as well

Bullocks · 12-12-2019 7:57pm

wrangler wrote: »

What all this messing might do is increase the CAP budget, especially as farmers across Europe are concerned and protesting as well

Why not picket Creeds office or the Dáil with in that case?
What are the ifa looking for in the next CAP?

Water John · 12-12-2019 8:20pm

The chances of CAP increasing are, zero.

wrangler · 12-12-2019 8:27pm

Bullocks wrote: »

Why not picket Creeds office or the Dáil with in that case?
What are the ifa looking for in the next CAP?

EU aren't even hopeful that CAP reform will be ready in 2021.
The further out the better for me

alps · 12-12-2019 8:27pm

Water John wrote: »

The chances of CAP increasing are, zero.

They are if you don't push for it

Where are we off to tomorrow

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