Where are we off to tomorrow

epfff · 04-12-2019 10:26pm #1

I see on agriland Joe is going burning a bale of straw tomorrow somewhere in kildare.
Who is going?

memorystick · 04-12-2019 10:35pm

They’re embarrassing at this stage.

whelan2 · 04-12-2019 10:44pm

Joe who now?

wrangler · 04-12-2019 10:57pm

Might as well leave it to IFOI now,

Water John · 04-12-2019 11:03pm

Sorry the Board members and Committee members of Dairygold aren't available to attend, as they are all in France. They're all financed out of the farmers milk cheque. He might have a go at that and the price paid by most of the other processors.
But then on the dairy side, nobody is stealing his thunder, ATM.

Tileman · 04-12-2019 11:05pm

Obviously a price rise is being paid next week and ifa are going to claim credit for it due to their activity tomorrow.

The Rabbi · 04-12-2019 11:05pm

wrangler wrote: »

Might as well leave it to IFOI now,

Did you mean IKEA.Those with loose screws and not all the contents in the box.

DBK1 · 04-12-2019 11:15pm

Tileman wrote: »

Obviously a price rise is being paid next week and ifa are going to claim credit for it due to their activity tomorrow.

I’ll second that. If there’s one thing I’ve learned over the years about the IFA it’s that they will sit back and do nothing until the result they want is already agreed and then they will protest or make a stand and claim the credit for it. The photo opportunity is never to be missed.

It’s good news for beef farmers as there is definitely a price rise coming but it must be a week or 10 days before its being implemented, otherwise the protest would have been held today to make the rag for tomorrow. With the protest only on tomorrow it’ll only make next weeks rag so it’ll be a few days after that when the already agreed price rise will happen.
They’re an embarrassment of an association at this stage and you’d have to pity the few ordinary farmers who still have a blinded loyalty to them based on actions from 30 plus years ago when they actually were of value to the farmers.

DBK1 · 04-12-2019 11:52pm

I don’t know how to post a link but there’s an article after going up on the Farmers Journal website titled “Factories admit beef prices set to rise”.
How can any of the IFA men not be hanging their heads in shame at the minute? Are there any IFA men on here that can offer up some sort of valid excuse for the outrageous carry on of the great Joe? If he was in the Dail we’d probably be looking at a motion of no confidence at the minute.

kk.man · 05-12-2019 1:00am

The IFA runin for cover now as the BP or whatever their name is have momentum. IFA seriously miscalculated by not initiated factory protests.
Beef price is a scandal beyond all proportion at this stage. Years ago beef price was poor and factories were picketed agreement reached. Everyone went back to work prices increased and no grudges held. There is something very sinester about this one. I know of the rouge element of some protestors but the factories are getting up with flees this time. By digging their heels in they are only stiring the pot.

I would have no sympathy for the factories if there was a return to the gates. Protests all over the world have changed tactics. These are very powerful instruments of persuasion and most effective.

barnaman · 05-12-2019 1:35am

https://www.globalmeatnews.com/Article/2019/10/18/Plummeting-beef-prices-in-the-UK-scrutinised

http://beefandlamb.ahdb.org.uk/markets/deadweight-price-reports/deadweight-cattle-prices/

Lads here being very optomostic about price rises.

IFA not perfect but done plenty

DBK1 · 05-12-2019 6:20am

barnaman wrote: »

https://www.globalmeatnews.com/Article/2019/10/18/Plummeting-beef-prices-in-the-UK-scrutinised

http://beefandlamb.ahdb.org.uk/markets/deadweight-price-reports/deadweight-cattle-prices/

Lads here being very optomostic about price rises.

IFA not perfect but done plenty

Them UK prices show that an R grade heifer is averaging about €3.95/kg. That’s 0.45 cent ahead of us at the minute which equates to €157 on an average 350kg carcass. I think there’d be a lot more optimism amoung beef farmers if we could get anywhere near matching that. I don’t understand how that’s supposed to show that the IFA have done plenty??

manjou · 05-12-2019 7:12am

Larry sets the price on Friday for following week so price rise comming tomorrow. This is what the conspiracy theorist in me thinks. Also think it will be aldi or Lidl as these where the ones who said they dident mind the 36 month cattle.

kk.man · 05-12-2019 8:05am

barnaman wrote: »

https://www.globalmeatnews.com/Article/2019/10/18/Plummeting-beef-prices-in-the-UK-scrutinised

http://beefandlamb.ahdb.org.uk/markets/deadweight-price-reports/deadweight-cattle-prices/

Lads here being very optomostic about price rises.

IFA not perfect but done plenty

The factories have 8k very cheap cattle per day for a number of weeks now. Forget optimism its time for fairness. No farm organisation could or should stand on while these facts have been confirmed.

_Brian · 05-12-2019 8:42am

kk.man wrote: »

The IFA runin for cover now as the BP or whatever their name is have momentum. IFA seriously miscalculated by not initiated factory protests.
Beef price is a scandal beyond all proportion at this stage. Years ago beef price was poor and factories were picketed agreement reached. Everyone went back to work prices increased and no grudges held. There is something very sinester about this one. I know of the rouge element of some protestors but the factories are getting up with flees this time. By digging their heels in they are only stiring the pot.

I would have no sympathy for the factories if there was a return to the gates. Protests all over the world have changed tactics. These are very powerful instruments of persuasion and most effective.

MII see the fractured representation of farmers as an opportunity to exert their power.

I know it won’t happen but the farmer rep groups need to get together under an umbrella group, otherwise the processors and retailers have more power.

The IFA fumbled the ball on beef, they presided quietly over the current catastrophe coming into being.

wrangler · 05-12-2019 8:50am

_Brian wrote: »

MII see the fractured representation of farmers as an opportunity to exert their power.

I know it won’t happen but the farmer rep groups need to get together under an umbrella group, otherwise the processors and retailers have more power.

The IFA fumbled the ball on beef, they presided quietly over the current catastrophe coming into being.

Once they get under an umbrella group, they'll be a target for Competition Authority, lack of organisation is the only thing that's saving them, someone told me lately that picking up individual farmers would clog up the court system for months whereas attacking one organisation is only one court case with massive effect.

memorystick · 05-12-2019 8:54am

So they’re going to Aldi for 12 hours. Shure if they only bring home a row boat and a saxophone, it’ll be a productive day.

Beechwoodspark · 05-12-2019 9:30am

Healy on mornin Ireland at the moment in full “mad as hell” mode

boggerman1 · 05-12-2019 9:34am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Healy on mornin Ireland at the moment in full “mad as hell” mode

Was just about to text the same.why won’t joe picket outside the factories.oh wait they don’t want to upset Larry.sad to see a once great organization reduced to also rans

MayoSalmon · 05-12-2019 9:56am

RTE article this morning...

"The IFA has said retailers, who they accuse of driving down food prices..."

FFS lads as if joe public is supposed to turn around and want inflated food prices to go along with every other rip off in the country...

Robson99 · 05-12-2019 10:38am

boggerman1 wrote: »

Was just about to text the same.why won’t joe picket outside the factories.oh wait they don’t want to upset Larry.sad to see a once great organization reduced to also rans

They won't cut the hand that lines there pockets

_Brian · 05-12-2019 10:59am

MayoSalmon wrote: »

RTE article this morning...

"The IFA has said retailers, who they accuse of driving down food prices..."

FFS lads as if joe public is supposed to turn around and want inflated food prices to go along with every other rip off in the country...

It’s true though.
Meat is too cheap.

A chicken for €3
A pair of steaks for €5-7
Small beef roast for €8

Very hard for the farmer to get a fair share when it’s retailing so cheap.

The decision by a retailer to sell a chicken for €3 will still factor in a profit for them, the processors won’t handle them for free so the squeeze goes into the person in the loop with the least power and poorest representation which is the farmers.

The lie that good food is cheap is destroying the food chain.

I say this because it’s sensible not because I on any way support the IFA

MayoSalmon · 05-12-2019 11:12am

_Brian wrote: »

It’s true though.
Meat is too cheap.

A chicken for €3
A pair of steaks for €5-7
Small beef roast for €8

Very hard for the farmer to get a fair share when it’s retailing so cheap.

The decision by a retailer to sell a chicken for €3 will still factor in a profit for them, the processors won’t handle them for free so the squeeze goes into the person in the loop with the least power and poorest representation which is the farmers.

The lie that good food is cheap is destroying the food chain.

I say this because it’s sensible not because I on any way support the IFA

Bit mad to hear meat is too cheap yet here we are in the EU which has been subsiding the industry since 1960s. With all the protectionism in the world farmers still cant make it work. The consumer wants a pair of steaks for €5.

_Brian · 05-12-2019 11:24am

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Bit mad to hear meat is too cheap yet here we are in the EU which has been subsiding the industry since 1960s. With all the protectionism in the world farmers still cant make it work. The consumer wants a pair of steaks for €5.

The consumer wants steaks for €2, should we strive for that ??

The subsidies have actually contributed to the problem, they provided a fallback for farms as the processors and retailers (probably in collusion) drive back the price of meat to current levels. Without the subs this problem would have come to a head long ago and be resolved by now.

Meat retail prices are too low for it to be ethically, environmentally produced while providing for a margin for all parties in its production chain.

The current prices just don’t provide enough for it to be divided, and our lack of power and representation means farms will continue to get the crumbs of the deal.

Cheap food is a lie, it can’t be properly produced and be dirt cheap.

MayoSalmon · 05-12-2019 11:31am

_Brian wrote: »

The consumer wants steaks for €2, should we strive for that ??

The subsidies have actually contributed to the problem, they provided a fallback for farms as the processors and retailers (probably in collusion) drive back the price of meat to current levels. Without the subs this problem would have come to a head long ago and be resolved by now.

Meat retail prices are too low for it to be ethically, environmentally produced while providing for a margin for all parties in its production chain.

The current prices just don’t provide enough for it to be divided, and our lack of power and representation means farms will continue to get the crumbs of the deal.

Cheap food is a lie, it can’t be properly produced and be dirt cheap.

We should strive to feed people at the lowest possible price, yes, that should be obvious I would of thought.

There is an oversupply of food in Ireland and Europe in general. There is nobody going to be getting a so called "fair" price while that prevails.

I would love to know the stats on how many farms here would simply cease to exist if it were not for Brussels.

The sooner Mercosur arrives the better for the consumer.

wrangler · 05-12-2019 11:33am

boggerman1 wrote: »

Was just about to text the same.why won’t joe picket outside the factories.oh wait they don’t want to upset Larry.sad to see a once great organization reduced to also rans

Factories just think its hilarious having farmers at the gate, the last protest should've finally proved that for everyone.
Farmers pushed it to the limit and got nothing.
50 in naas this morning, 200 in dublin last week. not a lot of people worried out of 100000 or whatever

funkyouup · 05-12-2019 11:43am

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Tileman · 05-12-2019 11:47am

The only reason the ifa picked Aldi is because the beef plan met them this month and had a very constructive meeting with them. Likely to allow 36 month beef. Ifa got wind so had to be seen to do something so beef plan can’t get the plaudits.

Why didn’t they target musgraves or Dunnes or Tesco

wrangler · 05-12-2019 11:57am

I don't know what's happening to Irish meat, for years now I'll only eat lambs we feed here apart from maybe lamb shank when I'm out,
As for ram lambs from now on...ugh
but the last few time s I've got beef out it has been very poor.
Not surprising that people are moving away from it

Keep Sluicing · 05-12-2019 11:59am

Tileman wrote: »

The only reason the ifa picked Aldi is because the beef plan met them this month and had a very constructive meeting with them. Likely to allow 36 month beef. Ifa got wind so had to be seen to do something so beef plan can’t get the plaudits.

Why didn’t they target musgraves or Dunnes or Tesco

Well, musgraves wont be targeted that for sure. Too many connections high up.

wrangler · 05-12-2019 12:00pm

Tileman wrote: »

The only reason the ifa picked Aldi is because the beef plan met them this month and had a very constructive meeting with them. Likely to allow 36 month beef. Ifa got wind so had to be seen to do something so beef plan can’t get the plaudits.

Why didn’t they target musgraves or Dunnes or Tesco

I'd bet Aldi and Lidl are doing the most harm to beef prices, they seem to be the cheapest and I'll guarantee you they're not below cost selling

_Brian · 05-12-2019 12:05pm

MayoSalmon wrote: »

We should strive to feed people at the lowest possible price, yes, that should be obvious I would of thought.

There is an oversupply of food in Ireland and Europe in general. There is nobody going to be getting a so called "fair" price while that prevails.

I would love to know the stats on how many farms here would simply cease to exist if it were not for Brussels.

The sooner Mercosur arrives the better for the consumer.

Problem with your approach of cheaper is obviously better is it leads into one thing, industrialised farming which is no good.
It’s bad for animal welfare, bad for biodiversity bad for environment and the meat produced is sub standard.
It drives farm gate prices down and down until we just can’t compete and by then the consumer is addicted to cheap food so imports are the solution.

Any self respecting farmer should be driving for a quality premium product that commands a better price, that way we have leverage for a fair farm gate price.

Produce less meat, produce better meat and get a fair price.

Industrial farming is sickening, piggeries, caged houses chickens and cattle on concrete 365 is all wrong, it’s poor for animal welfare and produced sub standard food.

epfff · 05-12-2019 12:08pm

I see from pictures on agriland joe has the bale of straw there. One wrong word and he will light it.

Will this stunt grab the headlines and hide the poor turnout for election?

Robson99 · 05-12-2019 12:27pm

MayoSalmon wrote: »

We should strive to feed people at the lowest possible price, yes, that should be obvious I would of thought.

The sooner Mercosur arrives the better for the consumer.

I think we should give angle dust and hormones to cattle.
It will help farmers break even and supply cheap meat. Everyone happy

Keep Sluicing · 05-12-2019 12:34pm

epfff wrote: »

I see from pictures on agriland joe has the bale of straw there. One wrong word and he will light it.

Will this stunt grab the headlines and hide the poor turnout for election?

Does he have just a white vest and slacks, bleeding, and in bare feet.... lighter in his hand, saying "yippie ki yeah, mutha fu##er"

tractorporn · 05-12-2019 12:35pm

MayoSalmon wrote: »

The sooner Mercosur arrives the better for the consumer.

Take it from someone who has handled South American beef that stuff is rancid, literally and covered in faeces. The only thing it will bring for the consumer are multiple trips to the Jacks

Heart Break Kid · 05-12-2019 2:44pm

wrangler wrote: »

I'd bet Aldi and Lidl are doing the most harm to beef prices, they seem to be the cheapest and I'll guarantee you they're not below cost selling

Passive observer, How can you guarantee that? I'd say its pretty obvious given what happens with veg & fruit, meats no different.

Water John · 05-12-2019 3:40pm

The idea that consumers are totally driving down food prices is a myth. Consumers are complex beings and in large part driven by quality. They also respond positively to a fairness argument.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/04/french-shoppers-rejecting-cut-price-capitalism-nicolas-chabanne

_Brian · 05-12-2019 3:56pm

Water John wrote: »

The idea that consumers are totally driving down food prices is a myth. Consumers are complex beings and in large part driven by quality. They also respond positively to a fairness argument.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/04/french-shoppers-rejecting-cut-price-capitalism-nicolas-chabanne

For a start the French have a much better food culture than exists here. Look at how hey support local producers even though large shops exist.

dohc turbo2 · 05-12-2019 3:57pm

Anto_Meath · 05-12-2019 4:55pm

We should all start producing Kobe beef, €18 /kg I think I seen somewhere, it would differently stop the race the bottom.

Water John · 05-12-2019 7:52pm

Think I heard the're picketing in Cork tomorrow. That would be either Lidl in Charleville or Musgraves in the City.

einn32 · 05-12-2019 8:00pm

Water John wrote: »

Think I heard the're picketing in Cork tomorrow. That would be either Lidl in Charleville or Musgraves in the City.

Mitchelstown?

MickeyShtyles · 05-12-2019 8:33pm

einn32 wrote: »

Mitchelstown?

Tis Charleville, loose information circulating since lunchtime. Not much good if everyone knows.

BarryD2 · 05-12-2019 9:11pm

Interesting contrast on the news tonight between our Gardai here and the French police and how they deal with matters.

But apart from that, is this not a dangerous tactic. There's no obligation on Aldi I presume to stock Irish beef. That'd solve their problem?

Water John · 05-12-2019 9:19pm

I rarely express a view on others actions. Especially if driven by frustration and being treated poorly. I don't see, this stroke in that light.

kk.man · 05-12-2019 9:23pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

Interesting contrast on the news tonight between our Gardai here and the French police and how they deal with matters.

But apart from that, is this not a dangerous tactic. There's no obligation on Aldi I presume to stock Irish beef. That'd solve their problem?

First of all the Gardaí priority is to prevent a breach of the peace in such situations. The IFA ppl are having a peaceful protest note the word peaceful. The French farmers give their police no choice but to intervene.
Aldi and Co can stock whatever beef they want. The make a huge advert that's it's Irish so if they go to the UK to source it they will pay 20% more and if the go to the rest of the EU they will pay 15% more for it. Another point Irish supermarkets only buy less than 5% of what we produce. That won't hurt us either.
Now check your facts before you make an argument.

Robson99 · 05-12-2019 9:27pm

What is the point in protesting at either Aldi or Lidl ??
They are the ones who have no problem with over 30 month cattle.
If they protesting in cork then it should be at Creeds house where it might wake the fuker up

wrangler · 05-12-2019 9:32pm

Robson99 wrote: »

What is the point in protesting at either Aldi or Lidl ??
They are the ones who have no problem with over 30 month cattle.
If they protesting in cork then it should be at Creeds house where it might wake the fuker up

What can Creed do,

kk.man · 05-12-2019 9:41pm

wrangler wrote: »

What can Creed do,

Triple the AOs in all Irish meat plants. Check every dispatch rigorously, introduce new grading machines, cut Bord Bia funding, get big Phil to put a spotlight under supermarket's and meat plants, inspect all factory feed lots with a microscope. Publish details of all policital donations over the last 20 years. Introduce legislation to that all companies must publish accounts. Get revenue into every meat company to tooth comb their accounts.
The government are a powerful force and the meat companies know it. The don't hand out confetti of donations because they believe in the body politic.

Robson99 · 05-12-2019 9:42pm

wrangler wrote: »

What can Creed do,

Get off his hole and organise an investigation into the cartel and corruption that is going on and that FG were part of when his colleague gave the uncle in law full control...but he like the IFA knows who looks after him

Where are we off to tomorrow

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