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  • #102
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    Goldstein wrote: »
    So why did Voyager's nacelles need to move before going to warp and need to move back down again when out of warp? Why not just fix them in the up position when they built it?

    In TNG Episode "Force of Nature", Star Fleet were polluting space with their nasty warp drives, with no catalytic converters. :p

    So according to:
    http://www.startrek.com/database_article/voyager
    Voyager's folding wing-and-nacelle warp drive system allows the starship to exceed the warp 5 "speed limit" without polluting the space continuum.


  • #103
    Myrddin
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    MMFITWGDV wrote: »
    In TNG Episode "Force of Nature", Star Fleet were polluting space with their nasty warp drives, with no catalytic converters. :p

    So according to:
    http://www.startrek.com/database_article/voyager

    Yeah but the question is why not have the nacelles in the slanted position permanently? Why do they need to have a flat position for non warp use at all like


  • #104
    downwithpeace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭downwithpeace


    Since no other Starship design (That I know) had the same nacelle design it seems the idea of anti-pollution was either added after CGI design or in the Trek Universe found to be ineffective which still wouldn't cover the reason for up and down so makes CGI design more plausible.


  • #105
    Myrddin
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    downwithpeace wrote: »
    Since no other Starship design (That I know) had the same nacelle design it seems the idea of anti-pollution was either added after CGI design or in the Trek Universe found to be ineffective which still wouldn't cover the reason for up and down so makes CGI design more plausible.

    I'm nearly sure I read before, the design IS related to the TNG episode where its learned that warp-drive is damaging sub-space. Voyagers design was to remedy that, but still doesn't explain why it has moveable nacelles. I never really thought about it before, its a good question - why not just have them up all the time :confused:


  • #106
    downwithpeace
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    I'm nearly sure I read before, the design IS related to the TNG episode where its learned that warp-drive is damaging sub-space. Voyagers design was to remedy that, but still doesn't explain why it has moveable nacelles I never really thought about it before, its a good question - why not just have them up all the time :confused:

    It's an interesting question, I've seen it asked before on other forums but there was never a definitive answer, it could be a combination of things like Star Trek back story with movement to make it look good in CGI, after Googling it I came a cross two sites that say Voyager can be seen in Equinox Part 2 with the nacelles down while at warp, I flicked through the episode but found nothing.


  • #107
    Myrddin
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    Halfway through my rerun of Enterprise now, nearing the end of Season 2. This is prob my 3rd/4th run through of the show, it's nowhere near as bad as its made out to be. There's some great episodes, & pound for pound against voyager season 1-4, it trounces it.

    Mayweather though is a horrific character


  • #108
    downwithpeace
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    Mayweather though is a horrific character

    Just think, they even made an episode where he died, sadly it was a con.


  • #109
    somuj
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    Halfway through my rerun of Enterprise now, nearing the end of Season 2. This is prob my 3rd/4th run through of the show, it's nowhere near as bad as its made out to be. There's some great episodes, & pound for pound against voyager season 1-4, it trounces it.

    Mayweather though is a horrific character

    I love Enterprise. Most of the episodes anyway. The dephic expanse was an excellent story line. Hated the final episode tho. Never understood why they wasted it on the TNG.


  • #110
    Myrddin
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    somuj wrote: »
    I love Enterprise. Most of the episodes anyway. The dephic expanse was an excellent story line. Hated the final episode tho. Never understood why they wasted it on the TNG.

    It was a desperate ending, a true testimony as to how the show was f**ked over. Also, I think I'm the only trek fan who actually likes Archer


  • #111
    downwithpeace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭downwithpeace


    That ending made me wonder if the creators thought Enterprise was so far gone they needed some way of pulling it in to the Star Trek that's known to the masses.


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  • #112
    somuj
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    It was a desperate ending, a true testimony as to how the show was f**ked over. Also, I think I'm the only trek fan who actually likes Archer

    I actually thought Archer was a decent captain for the time persiod. Didnt realise there was such hatred off him till I started trolling this forum and then googled him.


  • #113
    norrie rugger
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    somuj wrote: »
    I actually thought Archer was a decent captain for the time persiod. Didnt realise there was such hatred off him till I started trolling this forum and then googled him.

    Not so much the character but the way that Scott Bakula played him, especially as he had shown that he could do a character like that well, in Quantum Leap


  • #114
    Myrddin
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    norrie rugger wrote: »
    Not so much the character but the way that Scott Bakula played him, especially as he had shown that he could do a character like that well, in Quantum Leap

    What is it that bothers people about how Archer is played? I find him quite likeable


  • #115
    norrie rugger
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    What is it that bothers people about how Archer is played? I find him quite likeable


    Best example of it that I have heard people go crazy about is in "In a Mirror Darkly", where trying to act authorative begins and ends with puffing cheeks out, with every word. He also seemed very self conscious, in his movements, looking a bit wooden.
    For me it was the forced attempt at authority/anger that got me but not as much as some people


  • #116
    Myrddin
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    norrie rugger wrote: »
    Best example of it that I have heard people go crazy about is in "In a Mirror Darkly", where trying to act authorative begins and ends with puffing cheeks out, with every word. He also seemed very self conscious, in his movements, looking a bit wooden.
    For me it was the forced attempt at authority/anger that got me but not as much as some people

    Some people are like that though, not everyone has a natural authority. He's an explorer at heart. If anything yes, he's probably too soft for the role, but the early focus was on 'innocent/naive exploration', which I think he does well.


  • #117
    norrie rugger
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    Some people are like that though, not everyone has a natural authority. He's an explorer at heart. If anything yes, he's probably too soft for the role, but the early focus was on 'innocent/naive exploration', which I think he does well.

    That is the thing though, he played the explorer very well. However, he was also the captain of an interstellar ship, that had come up through the ranks of Starfleet, that did not come through. I would blame the directors/producers more for this though.


  • #118
    Myrddin
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    norrie rugger wrote: »
    That is the thing though, he played the explorer very well. However, he was also the captain of an interstellar ship, that had come up through the ranks of Starfleet, that did not come through. I would blame the directors/producers more for this though.

    But Starfleet was in its infancy, it's sole mission was exploration under guidance of the Vulcans. It made sense to have a softer, diplomatic approach when first venturing out there.

    I think in the 3rd & 4th seasons they tried to make Archer that bit more aggressive, & as you say, it didn't quite work. I much preferred him in the opening two seasons when it was more exploration based.


  • #119
    downwithpeace
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    In a Mirror Darkly can't be (In my view) used as a description for how good or bad a character was, both DS9 and Voyager did episodes with alternate characters and both were done in a way to make the original character look more favorable.

    Archer wasn't a bad captain nor was he the best, I liked him but he was better when played as the happy explorer captain rather then the frustrated Xindi weapon hunter.


  • #120
    GreenWolfe
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    I really would have liked some more Vulcan history. The Surak's followers episodes were great and more about the Sundering, and how the situation on Remus came to be would have been really interesting.


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  • #121
    downwithpeace
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    EarthlyPangaea wrote: »
    I really would have liked some more Vulcan history. The Surak's followers episodes were great and more about the Sundering, and how the situation on Remus came to be would have been really interesting.

    Wiki has a little bit on that which might have proved interesting.

    Plans for Season 5
    At the time of its cancellation, planning for a proposed fifth season of Enterprise was underway. Most details of this never-made season come from comments made by producer Manny Coto who in 2009 stated that two arcs of this season may have been to show the 'origins of the Federation' and 'whispers of the Romulan war', and consequently, the Romulans would have been the major villains of the season.[16]
    Coto also stated that had the series been given a fifth season, the recurring Andorian character of Shran may have joined the Enterprise in an advisory role.
    Other possible plans for the season included: an episode showing the construction of the first starbase; a Borg Queen origins story with Alice Krige as a Starfleet medical technician who makes contact with the Borg from Season 2's "Regeneration" and becomes the Borg Queen, and a Mirror Universe arc spanning four or five episodes.
    There were also hopes for an episode in which T'Pol would finally meet her father and discover that he was in fact a Romulan agent who had posed as a Vulcan officer prior to faking his own death. The revelation that T'Pol was half-Romulan would have shed light on her affinity for humanity and as well as her interest in experimenting with emotions.


  • #122
    Goldstein
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    downwithpeace wrote: »
    Wiki has a little bit on that which might have proved interesting.
    Plans for Season 5
    At the time of its cancellation, planning for a proposed fifth season of Enterprise was underway. Most details of this never-made season come from comments made by producer Manny Coto who in 2009 stated that two arcs of this season may have been to show the 'origins of the Federation' and 'whispers of the Romulan war', and consequently, the Romulans would have been the major villains of the season.[16]
    Coto also stated that had the series been given a fifth season, the recurring Andorian character of Shran may have joined the Enterprise in an advisory role.
    Other possible plans for the season included: an episode showing the construction of the first starbase; a Borg Queen origins story with Alice Krige as a Starfleet medical technician who makes contact with the Borg from Season 2's "Regeneration" and becomes the Borg Queen, and a Mirror Universe arc spanning four or five episodes.
    There were also hopes for an episode in which T'Pol would finally meet her father and discover that he was in fact a Romulan agent who had posed as a Vulcan officer prior to faking his own death. The revelation that T'Pol was half-Romulan would have shed light on her affinity for humanity and as well as her interest in experimenting with emotions.

    They should have done these instead of faffing about with more alien nazi crap. Can't blame anyone for canning it when the production team and writers were making such poor decisions.

    Seeing Alice Krige turn up randomly (with no warning and no subsequent explanations/flashbacks/writing lanterns, just letting the episode unfold naturally) would have been an amazing moment. They could have undone some of the damage Voyager did to the Borg and given them back some of their edge. Enterprise wasn't ballsy enough to pull it off though, seems like a darker DS9 tone would have been required to reestablish the horror, inhumanity and relentlessness of what the Borg represented in Q-Who and BOBW.

    Ideas such as these (Of which there are hundreds - just look at the novels) reaffirm my belief that a worthy modern science fiction show bearing the name can succeed if only there was a desire from someone as talented and knowledgeable as Moore to make it happen.


  • #123
    Myrddin
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    Those season 5 plans also mentioned somewhere that Trip wasn't actually killed, it was part of some ruse to do with protecting the baby.


  • #124
    downwithpeace
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    Goldstein wrote:
    They should have done these instead of faffing about with more alien nazi crap.

    Time, time, time, those writers were obsessed by it, although this might be Time/Alternate rather then just time but still sums up the writers and time.
    EnterNow wrote: »
    Those season 5 plans also mentioned somewhere that Trip wasn't actually killed, it was part of some ruse to do with protecting the baby.

    Final episode was going to be edited to add that if the cancellation never happened, turned out it was canceled before filming so no edit.


  • #125
    pawrick
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    probably mentioned by someone somewhere on this forum already but noticed that Star Trek online is now free to play

    thread about it here

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=76571737

    only played it a few hours so far but seems decent enough but I'm not used to these type of games on my laptop so find myself walking in to walls alot!


  • #126
    downwithpeace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭downwithpeace


    I started re-watching season 4 of Enterprise yesterday, this morning I watched Boarderland, Cold Station 12, The Augments and The Forge (I woke up very early), I forgot how entertaining the Augment story line was and the second story after it, The Forge being part one, was equally as entertaining.

    Also something in the episode The Augments got me thinking, ship destruction in almost all Star Trek series have been undetailed and a big explosion, odd one stands out with DS9 big battles doing it better the most but the Bird of Prey destruction at the end of The Augments was really well done.


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  • #127
    Myrddin
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    I'm starting season 3 of Enterprise later. Really enjoying it so far. I've done a few reruns through the entire series, it really is nowhere near as bad as people make out.


  • #128
    Kirby
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    I'm starting season 3 of Enterprise later. Really enjoying it so far. I've done a few reruns through the entire series, it really is nowhere near as bad as people make out.

    True. It's not terrible. I watched it all and enjoyed it. And there are some excellent episodes. Season 3 is definately the best and there was excellent tension with the Xindi. But they made alot of mistakes and there is no doubting its the weakest of the modern series.

    They didn't create interesting characters. Think of TNG and DS9. We knew so much about each of the characters. I could write pages on Data or on Odo or other supporting characters. They were fleshed out. The cast of characters in enterprise are very, very weak. They had a blank kanvas and they wasted it.

    After 4 seasons what do we know about the characters? Hoshi doesn't like space much and is a linguist. Reed is morose, likes guns, and likes pineapple. Trip is from texas, has a sister, fancies t'pol, is from texas, likes engines, is from texas etc. Mayweather is a pilot and grew up on a feighter. And um.....well thats all for him really. Porthos, the captains dog, was more interesting than the helmsman. Says it all really.

    They overly relied on Archer. I get that they were delighted to get Bakula but he is the centre of every episode and this isn't a good thing.

    If we are to analyse it with a critical eye, they botched it from the start. You can criticise the decision to base it pre TOS, you can criticise the very slow start to the show with season one, you can criticise alot. But characters make a show and this was their major fault.


  • #129
    Myrddin
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    Good points, I was actually thinking to myself last night it's odd that Archer is the center of most, if not every episode. Don't get me started on Reeds upper lip, Mayweathers optimism, etc etc

    But, I did like Trip, T'Pol, Phlox was brilliant, and a few other characters. As for what we know about them, you have to compare like for like, remember it only had four seasons...not seven with four movies. DS9 & VOY also had the liberty of existing inside a known model with Starfleet, known races etc etc. They did botch it though by not giving us more background, & by about season 3 we find most of the cast dull enough so that we actually don't wanna know about them :o

    I like it though I have to say, pound for pound against Voyager I think Enterprise wins out.


  • #130
    Kirby
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    I like it though I have to say, pound for pound against Voyager I think Enterprise wins out.

    Voyager = Orchestral credits. Like proper trek.

    Enterprise = Baywatch music credits.

    /comparison. :p


  • #131
    Myrddin
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    Kirby wrote: »
    Voyager = Orchestral credits. Like proper trek. Lawnmower voice as a Captain

    Enterprise = Baywatch music credits.
     Downright filthy decon scenes
    /comparison. :p

    Just a minor correction.


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  • #132
    downwithpeace
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    Took me a minute to figure out what the decon scene bit was about, a plus to Enterprise.


  • #133
    Myrddin
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    downwithpeace wrote: »
    Took me a minute to figure out what the decon scene bit was about, a plus to Enterprise.

    For shame man, for shame

    enterprise_l.jpg


  • #134
    downwithpeace
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    For shame man, for shame

    enterprise_l.jpg

    I know and once it clicked I hung my head in shame :(


  • #135
    downwithpeace
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    Kirby wrote: »
    Voyager = Orchestral credits. Like proper trek.

    Enterprise = Baywatch music credits.

    /comparison. :p

    Opening sequence for Voyager was better of the two but show wise I think Enterprise was that little bit better, not that either had anything on TNG or DS9.

    I only recently came to that conclusion, season 4 of Enterprise had a big hand in it.


  • #136
    Myrddin
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    Well, they did it. The Xindi weapon was destroyed [again]. Just have to endure the two parter about time travelling Nazi's now.

    They really needed an episode similar to the TNG episode 'Family', after the Xindi weapon arc. It was such a mistake to jump right into into another time-travelling episode...& a double parter at that!


  • #137
    downwithpeace
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    Well, they did it. The Xindi weapon was destroyed [again]. Just have to endure the two parter about time travelling Nazi's now.

    They really needed an episode similar to the TNG episode 'Family', after the Xindi weapon arc. It was such a mistake to jump right into into another time-travelling episode...& a double parter at that!

    They do an episode similar to Family but for some reason it's after the Nazi time traveling bullsh*t.

    A fair bit of season 4 is done in multi episode form, takes some getting use to but besides the Nazi time traveling bullsh*t it's all good stuff.


  • #138
    Myrddin
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    downwithpeace wrote: »
    They do an episode similar to Family but for some reason it's after the Nazi time traveling bullsh*t.

    Yeah I think its called 'Home', where T'Pol & Trip go to Vulcan, & we see Archer wrestle his guilt.

    The nazi-alien ep is the worst of Ent so far, it's completely unnecessary.


  • #139
    norrie rugger
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    For shame man, for shame

    enterprise_l.jpg

    I can see the point(s) to this scene. It is to show that a decon room is cold right??


  • #140
    Myrddin
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    norrie rugger wrote: »
    I can see the point(s) to this scene. It is to show that a decon room is cold right??

    Yep, the colder the better really according to Phlox. I'm sure he said that somewhere [:p]


  • #141
    downwithpeace
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    Yep, the colder the better really according to Phlox. I'm sure he said that somewhere [:p]

    He did spend sometime in there with a very...sick T'Pol.


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  • #142
    Kirby
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    Indeed I remember that. "Sick" T'pol. If that's what getting sick is like in the future........infect me now! :p


  • #143
    Myrddin
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    Just watched the Augments three parter. Spiner is just a joy to watch, great little arc though.


  • #144
    Myrddin
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    I've noticed this before, but for anyone here who knows Half Life 2...isn't the transporter creator from the Ent episode Daedalus exactly like Dr. Vance from the HL2 game?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfUMTJWDjeE


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYD-ybDXGvg


  • #145
    downwithpeace
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    Never noticed that before but they do look alike.


  • #146
    Myrddin
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    downwithpeace wrote: »
    Never noticed that before but they do look alike.

    They also sound exactly alike :D


  • #147
    GreenWolfe
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    They also sound exactly alike :D

    They're different people -

    http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Robert_Guillaume

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Bill_Cobbs
    It has been suggested that the appearance of Doctor Eli Vance on the Half-Life video game series was based on Cobbs, but the game's creators have stated that the resemblance is a coincidence; Eli Vance is modeled after a homeless man who the designers found on the street.


  • #148
    downwithpeace
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    Eli Vance is modeled after a homeless man who the designers found on the street.

    Bet Cobbs wasn't to happy reading that.


  • #149
    Myrddin
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    EarthlyPangaea wrote: »
    They're different people -

    http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Robert_Guillaume

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Bill_Cobbs

    Yep different people, but the similarities are there. Cobbs is a must if they ever make a HL movie :D


  • #150
    downwithpeace
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    Yep different people, but the similarities are there. Cobbs is a must if they ever make a HL movie :D

    There are some fan made movies but Eli Vance isn't in them, the one I saw was good for what it was.


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  • #151
    downwithpeace
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    I just noticed Data smiles and grins a few times in the first half of Encounter at Farpoint, they cease after the Q encounter, it's almost as if someone told Spiner to stop.


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