Rail line to Adare for Ryder Cup

Zebra3 · 05-08-2019 8:32pm

ncounties wrote: »

Asking for everyone else... how is this still being discussed a week and a half after the initial post? I'm going to start an equally unrealistic thread which proposes the building of a Maglev system from Connolly to Derry's Waterside Station, the pro's and con's of which can be discussed at length.

Where will it connect with Metrowest?

Last Stop · 05-08-2019 8:35pm

Del2005 wrote: »

After using public transport to get to several rural concerts and reading reports of people attending concerts in some parts of Dublin using public transport is not a stress free way to travel to major events in this country.

And travelling by car is? I can give similar anecdotes of people using public transport to get to a certain festival over the weekend who had zero problems with traffic while the news featured several reports of people in CARS stuck in traffic for several hours.
I can also guarantee there will be huge delays at the Adare pro am next year given the lack of a bypass and poor public transport.

05-08-2019 8:40pm

Last Stop wrote: »

What’s unrealistic about reopening 15km of disused railway between a reasonable sized village and a regional city for an international sporting event with potential for future commuter use?

It's unrealistic because it falls into a category so far down the list of priorities for this country, that it's generally regarded as a joke project.

Something akin to the WRC basically

Now, if you want to discuss realistic rail infrastructure that badly needs improvement to reduce journey times, costs and increase frequency, then lash ahead, you'll find a lot of support for realistic measures

Last Stop · 05-08-2019 8:54pm

ncounties wrote: »

If we are going for sensible ideas, of which the Adare line, nor the Maglev train are, extending the rail line from M3 Parkway to Dunshaughlin would be the obvious choice. 10km of disused railway, a growing commuter town, capital city. Perfect equation. However, based on your rational that spending 150-200m on a railway line to Adare is perfectly normal, then I am sure it would be super easy to get the rest of the funds for the line out to Navan.

Disclaimer - I'm not from Navan or Dunshaughlin, nor do I have any need for a service to these locations as I live in East Wall.

Navan to Pace is 30km so double the length/price of the Adare line meaning you’re incorrect to justify it based on “my rationale” as by doubling the price, you push this project from potentially feasible to too expensive.
I am 100% supportive of the Navan rail line however as I have said, it’s not a case of this or that.
While I can see your logic in extending the line to Dunshaughlin, I don’t see this happening as Dunshaughlin isn’t that big a town to justify a rail line on its own (Adare line would serve suburbs of Limerick) and the pace M3 car park is currently under-utilised given its capacity.

If I was to use your logic for justifying Dunshaughlin I woulda say: 15km of disused railway line, a village with room to grow and car dependant suburbs, regional city. Arguably a similarly perfect equation.

Last Stop · 05-08-2019 9:01pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It's unrealistic because it falls into a category so far down the list of priorities for this country, that it's generally regarded as a joke project.

Something akin to the WRC basically

Now, if you want to discuss realistic rail infrastructure that badly needs improvement to reduce journey times, costs and increase frequency, then lash ahead, you'll find a lot of support for realistic measures

Again point me to a similar project which would offer the same benefits? The likes of the Dart electrification etc are all of course warranted but in a complete different level to this project (roughly 10x the price).

05-08-2019 11:10pm

Last Stop wrote: »

Again point me to a similar project which would offer the same benefits? The likes of the Dart electrification etc are all of course warranted but in a complete different level to this project (roughly 10x the price).

Here's where the idea falls down. It doesn't just get assessed based on the benefits but the costs too.

The resulting cost / benefit analysis determines whether the project will be added to the list for funding and what ranking priority on said list it will occupy.

If it gets that far, you move through the many steps to get a finalised idea. Then you're into public consultation. After that's done it's on to planning permission, the inevitable objections, the resulting decision, the appeals etc etc.

Let's say you get that far, now you just need to sit and wait for the cabinet to sign off on funding. And you'll wait and wait.

Then you get the funds, now you tender for contractors,choose one and agree a schedule.

Then the building starts, the route is completed and you're ready to go.

Simply put, THIS project, THIS time frame, it's just not going to happen.

Sligo eye · 06-08-2019 1:26pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Here's where the idea falls down. It doesn't just get assessed based on the benefits but the costs too.

The resulting cost / benefit analysis determines whether the project will be added to the list for funding and what ranking priority on said list it will occupy.

If it gets that far, you move through the many steps to get a finalised idea. Then you're into public consultation. After that's done it's on to planning permission, the inevitable objections, the resulting decision, the appeals etc etc.

Let's say you get that far, now you just need to sit and wait for the cabinet to sign off on funding. And you'll wait and wait.

Then you get the funds, now you tender for contractors,choose one and agree a schedule.

Then the building starts, the route is completed and you're ready to go.

Simply put, THIS project, THIS time frame, it's just not going to happen.

Last Stop sadly many Irish keyboard warriors spend a lot of their time trying to keep everything in Ireland exactly as it is. Poor infrastructure and poor rail services intended to keep the populace in cars.

Fortunately a few of us see beyond the National car fetish and realise we can’t continue as we are. Send me a PM and we can talk further.

riddlinrussell · 06-08-2019 4:45pm

Sligo eye wrote: »

Last Stop sadly many Irish keyboard warriors spend a lot of their time trying to keep everything in Ireland exactly as it is. Poor infrastructure and poor rail services intended to keep the populace in cars.

Fortunately a few of us see beyond the National car fetish and realise we can’t continue as we are. Send me a PM and we can talk further.

I think the majority of the posters in this forum would be overwhelmingly pro car alternatives in most cases, however they are also two things, pragmatic, and realistic. This idea falls down for two reasons.

1. Pragmatic: Adare is too far from Limerick to justify a 'commuter' train, reopening the line as far as the end of the Limerick suburbs as a 'LART' would stand a far better case. Unlike Foynes there isn't really any freight opportunity to bolster the case.

2. Realistic: The government at present is really not particularly pro-PT outside of Dublin, and even there relatively lukewarm, selling this to them would be extremely tough and wont happen within the timescale that it will be ready for the ryder cup

I'm strongly pro-rail (and pro greenway). I wouldn't reopen this line unless there was a good business case, which doesn't seem to exist.
Personally I would want any railway scheme to focus on two things, suburban rail/metro services for the main cities, and 'relatively' high speed rail for intercities, along with fare subsidies to encourage use. Getting Cork-Dublin-Belfast to under 3 hours would revolutionise how things are done in Ireland, as would, say Cork-Limerick in 30-40 minutes and Dublin - Galway in an hour

cgcsb · 06-08-2019 4:55pm

Sligo eye wrote: »

Last Stop sadly many Irish keyboard warriors spend a lot of their time trying to keep everything in Ireland exactly as it is. Poor infrastructure and poor rail services intended to keep the populace in cars.

Fortunately a few of us see beyond the National car fetish and realise we can’t continue as we are. Send me a PM and we can talk further.

encouraging people to live in Adare and commute to Limerick for work as a matter of policy is not pro-sustainability. The entire population of the state could comfortably fit inside the M50, extending commuter rail lines way outside urban areas isnt a sustainable solution, nor is building commuter motorways like the M3

Last Stop · 06-08-2019 7:02pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Here's where the idea falls down. It doesn't just get assessed based on the benefits but the costs too.

The resulting cost / benefit analysis determines whether the project will be added to the list for funding and what ranking priority on said list it will occupy.

If it gets that far, you move through the many steps to get a finalised idea. Then you're into public consultation. After that's done it's on to planning permission, the inevitable objections, the resulting decision, the appeals etc etc.

Let's say you get that far, now you just need to sit and wait for the cabinet to sign off on funding. And you'll wait and wait.

Then you get the funds, now you tender for contractors,choose one and agree a schedule.

Then the building starts, the route is completed and you're ready to go.

Simply put, THIS project, THIS time frame, it's just not going to happen.

I’m well aware of the project appraisal process.
However I do not agree with your assertion along with others on here that this is not possible due to the timeframe.
It’s 7 years away, it’s 15km of disused railway line. You’d practically build a metro line in that time.
If we want a breakdown of the time frame, I’d suggest:
12-18 months design including a public consultation period. (Remember there is no route selection required here as the route is fixed)
12 months with An Bord Pleanala
2 years construction.

That gives you a time frame of 4-4.5 years. Even adding in the delay in getting it through cabinet and you can defo get this done within the time frame.

You have also forgotten to mention that certain projects can be fast tracked up the list (for a variety of reasons) if the political will is there. The Adare road bypass is a perfect example of this. No one is suggesting that that won’t be completed on time despite it being a far more difficult project in terms of CPO required etc.

Marcusm · 06-08-2019 8:08pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Veering off topic I know, but.......

Killarney is 60 miles and hour from Adare, Limerick is 10 miles and 10 minutes from Adare. There are 250K visitors expected. Most won't be staying at 4 and 5 star hotels. If you honestly think that every hotel room in Limerick won't be booked out during that week, then you're deluded. And not just Limerick, but there won't be a hotel room available in Clare either.

Yes I'm sure due to lack of availability close to the venue places like Killarney will do very well, but the majority of visitors will either start their journeys in Limerick or pass through Limerick to get to Adare.

It’s a 3 day event and the most daily tickets ever sold was in France at 51k. I know there may be a lot of non-attending family/spouses but I have no idea where you get 250k from. Irrespective, a rail line for a one-off event is not just pie in the sky, it’s grounds for committal to an institution!

06-08-2019 8:11pm

Last Stop wrote: »

I’m well aware of the project appraisal process.
However I do not agree with your assertion along with others on here that this is not possible due to the timeframe.
It’s 7 years away, it’s 15km of disused railway line. You’d practically build a metro line in that time.
If we want a breakdown of the time frame, I’d suggest:
12-18 months design including a public consultation period. (Remember there is no route selection required here as the route is fixed)
12 months with An Bord Pleanala
2 years construction.

That gives you a time frame of 4-4.5 years. Even adding in the delay in getting it through cabinet and you can defo get this done within the time frame.

You have also forgotten to mention that certain projects can be fast tracked up the list (for a variety of reasons) if the political will is there. The Adare road bypass is a perfect example of this. No one is suggesting that that won’t be completed on time despite it being a far more difficult project in terms of CPO required etc.

Your not wrong, but

#1 there is no will to get it done and

#2 more importantly, there are far higher priorities than this

#3 the CBA on this would be abysmal

webwayz · 04-11-2019 5:13pm

I cant see it happening. The idea of having a Limerick Urban Rail or even tram System has obstacles, such as the dead-end nature of Limerick Station, also the northern route of the ennis line has limited public transport catchment area, and wouldnt serve UL. So many of these wouldnt have the critical mass to justify it.
If there was serious commitment you could argue of foynes to Limerick curving the line into the city, and similarly running the railway line to Shannon Airport would serve the city area. But the cheap and easy option is build roads and let people use cars and buses.

cgcsb · 04-11-2019 6:05pm

webwayz wrote: »

I cant see it happening. The idea of having a Limerick Urban Rail or even tram System has obstacles, such as the dead-end nature of Limerick Station, also the northern route of the ennis line has limited public transport catchment area, and wouldnt serve UL. So many of these wouldnt have the critical mass to justify it.

A central terminal station is common for commuter rail in mall cities all over Europe. It's not a problem.

webwayz wrote: »

If there was serious commitment you could argue of foynes to Limerick curving the line into the city, and similarly running the railway line to Shannon Airport would serve the city area. But the cheap and easy option is build roads and let people use cars and buses.

That policy has been an expensive failure to date

MrAbyss · 04-11-2019 9:41pm

The idea certainly has merit and makes a hell of a lot more sense than something as moronic as the 'Western Rail Corridor' between Tuam and Collooney being reopened.

Del.Monte · 04-11-2019 9:48pm

MrAbyss wrote: »

The idea certainly has merit and makes a hell of a lot more sense than something as moronic as the 'Western Rail Corridor' between Tuam and Collooney being reopened.

It doesn't have to be either one or the other it can be both. And, it's not Tuam/Collooney that is being fought over, it's Athenry/Claremorris. Most realists know that Claremorris/Collooney is only a trainspotters wet dream.

gjim · 04-11-2019 9:55pm

MrAbyss wrote: »

The idea certainly has merit and makes a hell of a lot more sense than something as moronic as the 'Western Rail Corridor' between Tuam and Collooney being reopened.

Meh - it doesn't make a whole of sense except, as you say, in comparison with something moronic.

There's an hourly BE service that covers the same route already that takes just 25 minutes.

I don't see rail doing it much faster despite the large capital investment required.

And the route is all single track so even theoretical capacity is severely limited (max 2 or 3 trains per hour to cover both directions) compared to using buses where it's possible to put on more vehicles to scale up and down to meet demand.

I guess many of us here are rail enthusiasts but in some contexts, buses simply make more sense.

Pete_Cavan · 04-11-2019 11:43pm

gjim wrote: »

I guess many of us here are rail enthusiasts but in some contexts, buses simply make more sense.

Yes and that is particularly true of the N5 and N22 projects recently signed off on. Idiots saying that the money should be spent on public transport, completely ignoring the fact that roads can and do accommodate buses! Some people seem to think if it doesn't run on tracks then it isn't public transport.

Del.Monte · 05-11-2019 7:34am

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Yes and that is particularly true of the N5 and N22 projects recently signed off on. Idiots saying that the money should be spent on public transport, completely ignoring the fact that roads can and do accommodate buses! Some people seem to think if it doesn't run on tracks then it isn't public transport.

Some people seem to think that buses are the cheap answer to public transport and ignore the fact that not only do they have to fight for road space with other traffic but will never attract the bulk of motorists out of their vehicles.

Rulmeq · 05-11-2019 8:20am

Del.Monte wrote: »

Some people seem to think that buses are the cheap answer to public transport and ignore the fact that not only do they have to fight for road space with other traffic but will never attract the bulk of motorists out of their vehicles.

Not only that, but busses last maybe 5-8 years, so that "cheaper" alteranative just costs more and more, and guess what spending is the first to go when there's a downturn.

bk · 05-11-2019 9:27am

Rulmeq wrote: »

Not only that, but busses last maybe 5-8 years, so that "cheaper" alteranative just costs more and more, and guess what spending is the first to go when there's a downturn.

Dublin Bus last 14 years and they are sold on for a couple years more usage beyond that.

Buses and coaches are VASTLY cheaper then trains.

Trains of course have their place, but they are WAY more expensive then buses/coach.

Del.Monte wrote: »

Some people seem to think that buses are the cheap answer to public transport and ignore the fact that not only do they have to fight for road space with other traffic but will never attract the bulk of motorists out of their vehicles.

Neither will trains on rural Victorian lines only running a few times a day and taking twice as long as a car/bus.

Trains into and around dense cities are absolutely a must. But trains trundling along rural lines really don't make any sense at all. They have no place in our modern world with motorways, etc.

LeinsterDub · 05-11-2019 1:54pm

In a country where the current commuter trains are at wedge capacity , Dart Expansion has been delayed for 30 years , as has numerous other high demand train, cycling and bus projects around the country especially Cork and Galway. How anyone could consider the Adare line a good idea is beyond me.

cgcsb · 05-11-2019 2:35pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Yes and that is particularly true of the N5 and N22 projects recently signed off on. Idiots saying that the money should be spent on public transport, completely ignoring the fact that roads can and do accommodate buses! Some people seem to think if it doesn't run on tracks then it isn't public transport.

I think the anger is over the massive spend on roads compared to negligible spend on public transport(buses included) on a national level. Take the budget this year for example. There have been no public transport projects. Lots of roads being built though. We're going to spend x amount bypassing the village of ballyvourney but the same amount could make Cork City and a bus and bike mecca.

webwayz · 05-11-2019 3:07pm

Just to bring back to the original suggestion on this thread.
I do think events such as the Ryder Cup can be used to have a legacy of some infrastructure, the Nass Dual Carriage way was upgraded for the event in the K-club. Surely an upgrade of this railway line should be considered, rather than just the building of a by-pass.
As was Portrush Railway Station invested in for the Open Championship.

LeinsterDub · 05-11-2019 3:28pm

webwayz wrote: »

Just to bring back to the original suggestion on this thread.
I do think events such as the Ryder Cup can be used to have a legacy of some infrastructure, the Nass Dual Carriage way was upgraded for the event in the K-club. Surely an upgrade of this railway line should be considered, rather than just the building of a by-pass.
As was Portrush Railway Station invested in for the Open Championship.

Ok here the lists of projects to be considered in no particular order

Metro Link
Rolling stock for the current rail network
Dart Expansion
Dart Underground
Luas Expansion Dublin
Luas Cork
Luas Galway
Luas Limerick
Cork Commuter rail improvements
Bus Connects Dublin
Bus Connects Waterford
Bus Connects Cork
Bus Connects Galway
Cycling Dublin
Cycling Cork
Cycling Galway
Cycling Limerick
Cycling every major town in Ireland
Quad tracking the Dublin coast line
Bypassing the Greystones tunnel
.....
......
........ etc

And then maybe the Adare line

PhilOssophy · 05-11-2019 3:46pm

Nenagh line 2.0 - €761 per passenger of a subsidy......

Del.Monte · 05-11-2019 7:34pm

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Nenagh line 2.0 - €761 per passenger of a subsidy......

Good man - regurgitate the old CIE claptrap!

prunudo · 05-11-2019 7:59pm

webwayz wrote: »

Just to bring back to the original suggestion on this thread.
I do think events such as the Ryder Cup can be used to have a legacy of some infrastructure, the Nass Dual Carriage way was upgraded for the event in the K-club. Surely an upgrade of this railway line should be considered, rather than just the building of a by-pass.
As was Portrush Railway Station invested in for the Open Championship.

No that was an awful legacy, they rushed through the widening. Rather than planning a proper new motorway to link up with m50 at jn8 they rushed through the widening with countless private entrance and small roads. Not to mention dumping it onto Newlands cross and then onto the Red cow for more traffic carnage.

donvito99 · 05-11-2019 8:01pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Good man - regurgitate the old CIE claptrap!

Do you want to rebut the "CIE claptrap"? Is it not operating at a ridiculous subvention?

Del.Monte · 05-11-2019 9:00pm

donvito99 wrote: »

Do you want to rebut the "CIE claptrap"? Is it not operating at a ridiculous subvention?

The figure per passenger seems to grow ever time it is mentioned and, in any event, who do you think is responsible for the situation?

Last Stop · 05-11-2019 9:21pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Ok here the lists of projects to be considered in no particular order
And then maybe the Adare line

I don’t think you quite grasp the concept of “in no particular order”

Varik · 05-11-2019 9:43pm

Considering the bypass is going to be right on top of it, there's no way it wouldn't delay that.

Removing the traffic on that road would probably do more good for Adare than anything else.

ohographite · 06-11-2019 12:32am

donvito99 wrote: »

Do you want to rebut the "CIE claptrap"? Is it not operating at a ridiculous subvention?

I'd bet you anything the patronage on the Limerick-Nenagh-Ballybrophy line would be over 600 people a day if the journey time from Limerick to Ballybrophy via Nenagh was about 1 hour, and if the frequency was 8 trains daily in both directions.
The cost per passenger, I'm certain, would plummet too.

ncounties · 06-11-2019 10:43am

webwayz wrote: »

Just to bring back to the original suggestion on this thread.
I do think events such as the Ryder Cup can be used to have a legacy of some infrastructure, the Nass Dual Carriage way was upgraded for the event in the K-club. Surely an upgrade of this railway line should be considered, rather than just the building of a by-pass.
As was Portrush Railway Station invested in for the Open Championship.

Portrush Railway Station Building was upgraded as it was already active, and serves a town of 8,000 people. This is in no way comparable to a line that is not active or in use.

PhilOssophy · 06-11-2019 12:14pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

The figure per passenger seems to grow ever time it is mentioned and, in any event, who do you think is responsible for the situation?

Who is responsible? Probably the NTA who thought this was a good idea and agreed to this stupid, pointless line.

Del.Monte · 06-11-2019 12:52pm

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Who is responsible? Probably the NTA who thought this was a good idea and agreed to this stupid, pointless line.

We're talking about the Ballybrophy/Limerick line not the so called WRC.

PhilOssophy · 06-11-2019 1:25pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

We're talking about the Ballybrophy/Limerick line not the so called WRC.

I know, but in a country where there's hundreds of thousands of people commuting into our major cities, the last thing we need is some white elephant to Adare to cost the tax payer a fortune.

Do you really think a €700 subsidy per passenger journey is good value for money for the service?

Del.Monte · 06-11-2019 3:00pm

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I know, but in a country where there's hundreds of thousands of people commuting into our major cities, the last thing we need is some white elephant to Adare to cost the tax payer a fortune.

Do you really think a €700 subsidy per passenger journey is good value for money for the service?

At least you've dropped the figure from your original €761.

PhilOssophy · 06-11-2019 4:22pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

At least you've dropped the figure from your original €761.

Is that your best argument?

donvito99 · 06-11-2019 7:20pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

The figure per passenger seems to grow ever time it is mentioned and, in any event, who do you think is responsible for the situation?

ohographite wrote: »

I'd bet you anything the patronage on the Limerick-Nenagh-Ballybrophy line would be over 600 people a day if the journey time from Limerick to Ballybrophy via Nenagh was about 1 hour, and if the frequency was 8 trains daily in both directions.
The cost per passenger, I'm certain, would plummet too.

The subvention is €761.60 per passenger as of two years ago.

https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-rail-routes-3570004-Aug2017/

This is an absolute scandal and you are calling for an increase in frequency to make a useless alignment less useless.

Del.Monte · 06-11-2019 8:01pm

donvito99 wrote: »

The subvention is €761.60 per passenger as of two years ago.

https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-rail-routes-3570004-Aug2017/

This is an absolute scandal and you are calling for an increase in frequency to make a useless alignment less useless.

Yes, I see that, but I wonder how the figure was arrived at? I also wonder what CIE are going to do to improve the situation now that the threat of immediate closure as died away? I also wonder what CIE are going to do when they run out of things to close and still manage to lose a fortune?

donvito99 · 06-11-2019 8:03pm

I'm sure passengers on the Longford, Portlaoise, Dundalk and Gorey commuter services, rammed into trains, are delighted to know that there is a empty 2800 class bouncing up and down between Ballybrophy and Lmk.

Del.Monte · 06-11-2019 8:06pm

donvito99 wrote: »

I'm sure passengers on the Longford, Portlaoise, Dundalk and Gorey commuter services, rammed into trains, are delighted to know that there is a empty 2800 class bouncing up and down between Ballybrophy and Lmk.

Yes it would make such a difference to their level of service and if they took the remaining stock from other deliberately run-down lines just think.....:rolleyes:

donvito99 · 06-11-2019 8:09pm

Can you actually support the deliberately run down bit? I've heard this said about the South Wexford line also.

Del.Monte · 06-11-2019 8:51pm

donvito99 wrote: »

Can you actually support the deliberately run down bit? I've heard this said about the South Wexford line also.

My own personal experience of the deliberate run-down of a service by tinkering with the timetable to no purpose was when I lived in Cahir, Co.Tipperary. By retiming the sole train in the Down (Waterford) direction by a few minutes the onward connection to Dublin was removed. It took the intervention of two local politicians egged on by yours truly to get the connection reinstated. Sadly, both both politicians - Theresa Aherne and the then Ceann Comhairle, Sean Treacy - are since deceased and cannot back me up. I probably have the correspondence still but I can't be arsed turning the place upside down to look for it.

Incidentally, it was regular stock in trade to not be told at Heuston about being able to change at Limerick Junction for Cahir, Clonmel etc. And, the onboard announcements rarely mentioned the Waterford line connections at Limerick Junction. The factual accounts of the messing about with the Waterford/Rosslare service are legion and well documented on Boards.

ohographite · 06-11-2019 11:32pm

donvito99 wrote: »

The subvention is €761.60 per passenger as of two years ago.

https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-rail-routes-3570004-Aug2017/

This is an absolute scandal and you are calling for an increase in frequency to make a useless alignment less useless.

I am certain that the only reason the patronage is so low is that the service quality is much lower than almost every other railway in the country.
The latest Heavy Rail Census shows that Roscrea(population 5000) was used by 14 passengers on census day.
Ballinasloe(population 6000, only slightly bigger than Roscrea) was used by 470 passengers on census day.
That is a big difference.
They obviously wouldn't have equally busy train stations per capita, but I think it is reasonable to believe that the big difference is mostly because Ballinasloe has a much faster, much more frequent train service than Roscrea does.

MrAbyss · 06-11-2019 11:36pm

donvito99 wrote: »

I'm sure passengers on the Longford, Portlaoise, Dundalk and Gorey commuter services, rammed into trains, are delighted to know that there is a empty 2800 class bouncing up and down between Ballybrophy and Lmk.

Bit harsh to be fair as the Limerick to Nenagh services would be crammed if run and marketed properly. In some ways that route is the Phoenix Park Tunnel line of the west.

PhilOssophy · 07-11-2019 9:53am

MrAbyss wrote: »

Bit harsh to be fair as the Limerick to Nenagh services would be crammed if run and marketed properly. In some ways that route is the Phoenix Park Tunnel line of the west.

They would in their ****, if people can get there quicker by road they will. How many people on that line are working and living close enough to both train stations to justify a train between the 2, I'd say a hundred or two at best.

spacetweek · 07-11-2019 10:06am

PhilOssophy wrote: »

They would in their ****, if people can get there quicker by road they will. How many people on that line are working and living close enough to both train stations to justify a train between the 2, I'd say a hundred or two at best.

This might shock you to your core but trains, when done well, are way faster and more convenient than driving.

Cookiemunster · 07-11-2019 10:22am

PhilOssophy wrote: »

They would in their ****, if people can get there quicker by road they will. How many people on that line are working and living close enough to both train stations to justify a train between the 2, I'd say a hundred or two at best.

The train from Nenagh arrives in Limerick at 8:45. It leaves Limerick at 16:55. It's no use to anyone working in Limerick as it arrives too late and leaves too early. It's also missing out on people in Castleconnell. Change the times so it arrives before 8am and leaves after 17:30 and you will increase ridership.

Rail line to Adare for Ryder Cup

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